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    The Workprint Edition

    Here's a webpage to start with to learn the differences between what you saw in the theaters and what's different about it in the workprint.

    http://horror-movie-a-day.blogspot.c...cret-post.html

    For those too lazy to go there or if the link goes dead....

    These are the differences between the workprint and theatrical cuts of Rob Zombie's Halloween.
    Enjoy!

    SCENES IN WORKPRINT NOT IN THEATRICAL VERSION:

    1. During the breakfast scene, there’s additional dialogue between Judith and Deborah concerning eggs. Judith alludes to Deborah having an abortion.
    2. The workprint has an opening credits sequence. It plays over the scene of Michael running from the school, Loomis’ introduction, and the bully walking through the woods. These scenes are all longer as a result, most significantly more dialogue between Loomis and Deborah, presented in voice over as Michael runs.
    3. There’s an additional shot when Deborah confronts Michael outside the house after the murders.
    4. The montage of Loomis and Michael getting to know each other has more dialogue/scene snippets
    5. In the workprint, there is an additional scene of young Michael with Deborah at the institution, where he expresses his need to “get out of here”. When he learns he cannot leave, he says “Then I have nothing left to say.”
    6. When the nurse looks at the photo of Michael and “Boo”, there is an additional line where she alludes to Michael being ugly. This provides more of a motive for her killing than is present in the theatrical version.
    7. The “Fifteen Years Later” scene begins with a newscast about Michael’s possible transfer.
    8. Following this newscast begins one of the biggest changes: Udo Kier’s character. In the theatrical he is only in ONE scene, but here he has quite a few as the head of Smith’s Grove. He is joined by Clint Howard and Tom Towles as other hospital higherups. They disagree with Loomis’ instructions for Michael’s care. This is followed by the scene where Loomis tells Michael he can no longer be his doctor.
    9. The scene of Ishmael Cruz and the new orderly in Michael’s room is a bit longer.
    10. An additional shot of Loomis leaving Smith’s Grove, looking back with a look on his face showing that he is clearly conflicted about his decision to quit on Michael.
    11. Additional shots of Michael watching Joe Grizzly.
    12. The scene where we meet Laurie and the Strodes is lengthened, there is more talk about the “pervert” hardware store owner.
    13. After Loomis speaks at the lecture, there is a scene of him walking with a colleague, asking how he thought he did in the speech.
    14. When Laurie and Lynda leave the school, Lynda harasses another female student for some reason, pouring a drink on her head (this is one of the few changes that were for the better, as it makes Lynda even more annoying than she already is)
    15. Additional sex talk between the three girls as they walk home
    16. When they see Michael, there are additional shots of him standing across the street (in the theatrical we only see his blurry shape)
    17. A scene of Laurie walking to her house where her mother is putting up decorations outside. Michael is seen following her in the background.
    18. A scene showing Michael in the graveyard, finding the tombstone and then removing it.
    19. After Laurie leaves to baby-sit, we hear Michael breathing as her parents chat. When the mother goes inside, Michael approaches. The father sees him and assumes he is a trick or treater.
    20. A scene showing Laurie watching horror movies with the kids. Laurie tells Lindsay it’s time for her to go.
    21. The chase from the Wallace’s to the Doyle’s is a bit longer
    22. The pool scene is a bit longer
    23. A scene of Loomis and Laurie walking to the car is longer, and it really resonates that Loomis is feeling guilty, a moment that is truncated in the theatrical.

    SCENES IN THE THEATRICAL THAT ARE NOT IN THE WORKPRINT

    1. A scene of Loomis explaining the color spectrum to Michael
    2. The death of Ishmael Cruz.
    3. A scene of Brackett pulling up alongside the girls as they walk home. Brackett offers a ride, which only Annie accepts.
    4. The graveyard scene with Sid Haig.
    5. A scene where Lynda calls Laurie right before Bob’s death.
    6. A quick bit where the Strodes express confusion over what Annie means by saying her dad is “same as always”
    7. Loomis buys a gun
    8. A shot of Bob backing his van into the driveway at the Myers house. Also, this scene occurs much earlier in the theatrical version than it does in the workprint.
    9. A scene where Brackett explains how he knows who Laurie Strode’s real family is (a much needed addition as it is never explained in the workprint how she came to be with that family or how Loomis would know where to find her).
    10. Loomis running up to the house and finding the kids is not in the workprint.

    SCENES THAT ARE DIFFERENT ENTIRELY

    1. Michael listens to Monster Mash in the first scene instead of classic rock (note – a lot of the music is different, more usages of the original music, but that is to be expected from a workprint – this was the only one I will point out)
    2. The biggest one that almost everyone knows about, when Michael escapes. In the workprint, an orderly and his friend harass and then rape a female inmate in Michael’s room. Michael ignores them until they begin playing with his masks (this pays off the line about him not liking it when people touch his things). He kills them both, gets their keys, and escapes. In the theatrical, he is being moved for some reason and suddenly kills the four guards, including Tom Towles (who plays a different character in the workprint), as well as Bill Moseley, and Leslie Easterbrook, neither of whom appear in the workprint).
    3. The scene where Loomis is told that Michael escapes is entirely different, and features more Udo Kier.
    4. The scene where Loomis leaves for Haddonfield after arguing with Udo Kier and Clint Howard is completely different.
    5. The scene where Loomis meets Brackett takes place in a different location (a diner in the theatrical, and what appears to be the graveyard in the workprint), and the dialogue is different.
    6. Mrs. Strode is brutally killed; in the workprint it is just sort of suggested.
    7. Bob’s death is completely different. In the workprint, he is killed in his van when he goes out to get beer. In the theatrical, he is killed in the exact same way he was killed in the 1978 film.
    8. The ending is completely different from the moment Michael pulls Laurie out of the car. In the workprint, Loomis talks to Michael for a while longer than he does in the theatrical version. Then the cops show up, guns drawn. Loomis convinces them all to stand down while he continues to try to calm Michael. He succeeds, and Michael lets Laurie go. As she runs to Loomis, the cops (including Brackett) open fire, shooting him dozens of times. Loomis screams for them to stop but it’s too late. Michael appears dead. The film ends on a very nice shot of Loomis standing over Michael’s body, clearly realizing how he failed his patient, as we hear the audio recording of their very first meeting at Smith’s Grove. In the theatrical, Michael kills Loomis, then spends about 10 minutes smashing his house trying to find Laurie. He finally does, and then rushes her. They go out the window, then Laurie shoots him, screams, and the film ends.
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    A review too:
    http://www.dreadcentral.com/index.ph...ontent&id=1610

    I fully agree with it too.

    While you can't polish a turd, there were at least a few nice moments that made it a more cohesive film.

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    Glad the rape scene was taken out.

    Some of the scenes in the WP should've been in the final version. I love the extended scene with young Michael and Loomis outside- "I've gotta get out of here".

    Overall, after watching both, the theatrical cut is definitely better.

    I actually like both endings though.
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    There were several small things I liked in the workprint that I think could have been added to the theatrical release that would have just been small cherries dabbed on top but eh, whatever.
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    I think the best version would be a hybrid of both cuts...with possibly some other deleted material included...then heavily re-edit the last half, so that it doesn't feel so jumpy. That's my take on it.

    But damn, am I glad the rape scene came out of the theatrical cut. It's not the content that bugged me, really...it was the fact that it made no fucking sense whatsoever. It was just an excuse to get Myers out...and it stretched credibility to the breaking point.
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    The only scene I missed was the aforementioned scene with Loomis and Michael at Smith's Grove. The better differences to me were the Strode's deaths, the reworking of the Bob/Lynda scene, and of course the escape scene. I also felt the ending in the workprint was really flat. No so much bad, but just totally flat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadpool View Post
    The only scene I missed was the aforementioned scene with Loomis and Michael at Smith's Grove. The better differences to me were the Strode's deaths, the reworking of the Bob/Lynda scene, and of course the escape scene. I also felt the ending in the workprint was really flat. No so much bad, but just totally flat.
    I don't know how I feel about changing Bob's death...I mean, when you already have a different death scene, why go with a carbon copy of his death from H1? It seemed like Zombie trying to stick in yet another H1 homage, when I already felt like he was doing too much of that. And I also missed some of the Smith's Grove stuff. What's weird is that in the theatrical cut, they omitted Loomis's question about Michael's hair, but left Michael's answer in...that threw me.

    I also really loved the cemetery scene in the workprint...it was one of the most beautifully shot sequences in the entire film. And again, Zombie omits it in favor of an H1 throwback. I don't know. The scene in the theatrical cut maybe fits in better with the surrounding scenes...but the editing between scenes is so seemingly aimless by that point in the film that it scarcely seems to matter. haha
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    The theatrical ending I think sounds much better. And we don't know for certain that Loomis died in the theatrical either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvilOnTwoLegs View Post
    I think the best version would be a hybrid of both cuts...with possibly some other deleted material included...then heavily re-edit the last half, so that it doesn't feel so jumpy. That's my take on it.

    But damn, am I glad the rape scene came out of the theatrical cut. It's not the content that bugged me, really...it was the fact that it made no fucking sense whatsoever. It was just an excuse to get Myers out...and it stretched credibility to the breaking point.
    I'm stealing some of your ideas and Deadpool's ideas, but I feel the same way. Here's what I think...

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    Rob shot a lot of footage, so it's probably possible to make the 2nd half feel like its own movie -- or close to it. DVD idea! Rob, if you're reading, take that into consideration. And yes... Save the rape for the deleted scenes; don't insert it back into the film.

    This project was too crammed, and Rob just wasn't going to get the running time approved that was needed to establish what is basically two seperate films -- or basically an epic. Rob should have done two seperate films, or picked one or the other.

    I agree: The 2nd half, especially, needs to be re-edited in a DVD "Director's Cut," "Extended," or similar release so it feels more like a film. The 2nd half is the most troubled, but could be somewhat salvaged considering everything Rob shot. There is a movie in there somewhere, and the scenes are shot... Time to piece it together, and it could lead to, at least, a semi-decent slasher in its own right.

    I don't care if this movie is 2 1/2 hours long if it helps it feel more cohesive and improves its flow. If it makes the movie better, in anyway (Alien 3, for example), I'm all for it.

    Let's face facts: there was studio tinkering with this film. Rob will likely never admit this, but I believe it. No question about it... It's also why I believe we may "possibly" see a "Director's Cut" in the future. I also agree that the best film is definately a blend of the theatrical and workprint cuts -- intertwined with other important footage he shot that we haven't seen.

    Basically, I agree with "EvilOnTwoLegs" 100%. At least we're in the DVD age where this has been done already (Alien series, Lord of the Rings, etc). We might actually see something come out of it, so there's hope.

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    Some examples (not everything, but what came to mind):

    Theatrical -- worked better: Reworking Bob and Linda's scene (but Bob's death in the van should have been kept because it was quite different from the original film); Mrs. Strode's death; the additional street scenes (Brackett giving Annie a ride; Laurie walking alone), the breakout (kind of dumb and too wrestler with the breaking chains, but still much better than the rape); Trejo's addition; adoption explanation; and some other things.

    Workprint -- worked better: Monster Mash opening (at least it's a Halloween song); THE OPENING CREDITS (Very nicely done, and inventive. Put them back); Myers following Laurie home from school, and hiding behind the trees (important scene explaining how he knew where she lived); the cool looking cemetary shot*; the intact street chase (but with the music from the theatrical cut); the extra shots of Michael looking at Laurie and ascending the staircase after breaking in... These scenes should be there. They were some of Rob's best shots in this troubled film.

    *How could Myers lift that gravestone? You know what... I'm willing to suspend believability due to that scene (one that involved sundown which is completely missing from the theatrical cut) was nicely shot. It's not like Myers was 100% human in this film anyway. Some of you will argue with that, but I'm going with a no... Sorry. It was a nice shot, and I want it back!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Loomis02 View Post
    The theatrical ending I think sounds much better. And we don't know for certain that Loomis died in the theatrical either.


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    the workprint was alright. its just the rape scene

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    Im so so glad the rape scenes out.

    That was low, really really low.
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    Quote Originally Posted by punkrocklove View Post
    Im so so glad the rape scenes out.

    That was low, really really low.
    agree. it does work cos its just another way to get him out. but, im sure if he kept that hre would of got alot more people moaning.

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    Urgh, it was sick though.
    Far too graphical. If they'd shown it in the same way they showed Mrs Myer's death, it wouldnt be too bad.
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