Official Buffy The Vampire Slayer/Angel franchise thread

[#1FreddyFan]

Okay, while this forum is supposed to be about movies, I think this topic would actually fit best here, since there isn't a forum dedicated to TV yet.

So, season 4 of Angel was just released on DVD last week. The 7th and Final season of Buffy is being released on DVD next month. The 5th and Final season of Angel is slated for a February 2005 DVD release. Joss Whedon is talking about making a new feature film about the Buffy/Angel universe.

Anyone who has any news, wants to throw out some quotes, or just comment on how HOT all the lovely ladies of Buffy and Angel are, or how much cooler Spike is than Angel, favorite episodes, anything, feel free to go right ahead!

"I may be love's bitch, but at least I'm man enough to admit it" - Spike

[boogeyman87]

Finally a Buffy/Angel thread! I love the shows and own the dvds. My favorite character is Xander because i and probable alot of guys relate to him the most. My favorite season would have to be season 3 or season 5.

[Moron86]

I chose Buffy because of her evolution as a character. From airhead in the movie to a person who's run the gammut of emotions and situations. Also, I heart Sarah Michelle Gellar like nobody's business.

The show itself is amazing, definitely my all time favorite. I've only made it up to Season 3 with DVDs, but when I get some moolah, the rest of the series is most definitely going to be in my collection.

Has anyone else gotten the figures? They're works of art, the Willow line was amazing, and the new wave of Tara and Anya's look phenomenal.

[The Dark Shape]

Angelus for life :D I've always enjoyed Angel more as a show, though Buffy is still brilliant. Angelus, to me, is to this day the greatest villain to appear on Buffy, and it's always interesting on Angel to see how similar Angel and Angelus really are.

Oh, and Spike is overrated. Fun, but nothing more. His love story with Buffy nearly sank Seasons 6 and 7.

[Miss Informed]

I like the whole show... Angel and Buffy where my favorite couple ever on tv. Spike is great too though.

[Laow-Z]

Well i love buffy, i likes Angel too but BUFFY....yum:p I remember when the show first started and i started to get into her character, i loved the fact that she played a hard ass while at the same time can be as sweet as the "girl next door". I have all the DVD's so far and will always love Sarah Michelle!

[MyersFan927]

Buffy was a better show than Angel, although it's a shame Angel got kicked off the air. And so suddenly, if my facts are right. Buffy was an entertaining TV show that I tuned in for once and while, and the storylines and scripts were very well done.

Anyone ever see the Buffy episode with Charles Cyphers?

Oh, and Riley SUCKS.

[Buffy]

I heard that David Boreanez is on board for the Angel movie, its most likely not going to have Buffy in it. After Joss finishes with his firefly movie he plans on writing the script for Angel. Sarah Michelle said she may appear if it is a feature but not TV movies. She is making the movie the Grudge right now with Jason Behr, produced by Sam Raimi, tt sounds good.

[Miss Informed]

Originally posted by Buffy
I heard that David Boreanez is on board for the Angel movie, its most likely not going to have Buffy in it. After Joss finishes with his firefly movie he plans on writing the script for Angel. Sarah Michelle said she may appear if it is a feature but not TV movies. She is making the movie the Grudge right now with Jason Behr, produced by Sam Raimi, tt sounds good.

The Grudge has been finished for a long time. I love SMG and all but man I heard she is one BITCH to work with. I have heard horror stories about her.

[Moron86]

Originally posted by MyersFan927
Anyone ever see the Buffy episode with Charles Cyphers?

Yes, Go Fish was an awesome episode. It was crazy seeing Charles Cyphers as a bad guy.

[NCamp]

These were two of my favorite shows in middle/high school. My favorite character was early zander. it seemed like they didnt know what to do with him after awhile but he was always good for comedic relief.

I hope they do do an Angel movie cause it needs to be done. Buffy ended well because it was time and they tied everything up. But Angel series finally was a big freaking cliff hanger, and its not like it was a season finale to finish in the following seasons premier so Im kinda mad about that. Who the hell survived?????

And yes Angelus was the best TV show villain of all time, he was undoubtably DA MAN!!! They screwed him over when they canceled the show, and man oh man, The Mountain was a huge upgrade! NOT!

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by NCamp
These were two of my favorite shows in middle/high school. My favorite character was early zander. it seemed like they didnt know what to do with him after awhile but he was always good for comedic relief.

I hope they do do an Angel movie cause it needs to be done. Buffy ended well because it was time and they tied everything up. But Angel series finally was a big freaking cliff hanger, and its not like it was a season finale to finish in the following seasons premier so Im kinda mad about that. Who the hell survived?????

And yes Angelus was the best TV show villain of all time, he was undoubtably DA MAN!!! They screwed him over when they canceled the show, and man oh man, The Mountain was a huge upgrade! NOT!

Xander was originally supposed to end up with Buffy. For angel finale, its safe to say Angel , Illyria (sp), Spike , and Lorne who left.

[Buffy]

Crazy Bronx Woman and I went to a Buffy and Angel convention and Xander/Nick Brendon was there. He had said originally he was supposed to die in the Buffy series finale but Joss thought it would be great if he came back in the movie. And yes, he and Buffy migh have ended up together, but Joss said that he had promised in the Buffy/Angel crossover that he would get them together in the end. Either way they are both cool - Riley sucked.

[NCamp]

Buffy and Xander together would be cool. He played friend for long enough, he should get his turn.

boogeyman87, Gunn was also alive still too. I hope he survived...they need to have atleast one human left living at the end.

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by NCamp
Buffy and Xander together would be cool. He played friend for long enough, he should get his turn.

boogeyman87, Gunn was also alive still too. I hope he survived...they need to have atleast one human left living at the end.

I know he wasnt dead, but take alook at the wound he had . When the season comes to dvd in a few monthes. It was a serious wound and its a good chance he died , but he theres a chance he lived too.

[Moron86]

Talk about the finale reminds me, was anyone else seriously shocked and upset when Anya got sliced pretty much in half? I loved Anya and she developed into a really good character, I was sad to see her bite it in the end.

[Buffy]

Originally posted by Moron86
Talk about the finale reminds me, was anyone else seriously shocked and upset when Anya got sliced pretty much in half? I loved Anya and she developed into a really good character, I was sad to see her bite it in the end.

SMG wanted her out, they did not get along and Joss accommodated her request, no chance of her coming back - but ya never know. Nick Brendon said they had some tension on the set with the girls cause she wasn't one of the "stars", but they got along okay.

[The Dark Shape]

SMG is open to coming back. She wanted to appear in one of the final Angel episodes (The Girl in Question), but Whedon and Co. couldn't shift the shooting dates around to accomodate her being in Japan filming The Grudge.

As for Angel's ending, the general intent is to have us believe Angel, Spike, Illyria, and Gunn all died fighting.

[NCamp]

Yeah im just hoping they had him live though, because without atleast one the human angel squad alive that would just be sad.

[LoomisFan4Life]

I think Illyria said he would be dead in 20 minutes. So I guess it is probably assumed that he died shortly thereafter. I just wish there was more closure to the ending of the show. Otherwise it was great.

[Ravenheart]

I just finished watching the Season 7 set and I really miss this show as well as Angel.If the movies never get made,maybe Joss will start a new series.Maybe something like Tales of the Slayers or something similar since there are more then one now.I watched both Buffy and Angel from their first episodes and have always loved the shows.Its just too bad that they couldn't have had Buffy make a small cameo in the Angel series finale like was done for the Buffy one.Stupid corporate politics.

[MichaelMyers]

Spike, because he is an awesome vampire.

[thetodd]

I'm glad the final season is finally coming out on DVD. I miss this series a lot more than I thought I would. I hope we eventually get a Buffy movie (I know there already was one, but as far as I'm concerned, it doesn't count). Seeing the crew back and on the big screen would be awesome.

[Ravenheart]

Originally posted by MichaelMyers
Spike, because he is an awesome vampire.


Yeah Spike had some of the best lines.Especially when he moved over to Angel.

"It's called addiction, Angel. We all have it. I believe yours is called Slutty the Vampire Slayer."


Spike: [as Rachel] How can I thank you, you mysterious black-clad hunk of a night thing?
Spike: [as Angel] No need, little lady, your tears of gratitude are enough for me. You see, I was once a badass vampire, but love and a pesky curse defanged me. Now I'm just a big, fluffy puppy with bad teeth. No, not the hair. Never the hair.
Spike: [as Rachel] But there must be some way I can show my appreciation?
Spike: [as Angel] No, helping those in need's my job, and working up a load of sexual tension and prancing away like a magnificent poof is truly thanks enough.
Spike: [as Rachel] I understand. I have a nephew who is gay, so...
Spike: [as Angel] Say no more. Evil's still afoot. And I'm almost out of that nancy-boy hair-gel I like so much. Quickly, to the Angel-mobile, away.


Spike: You pissed in the Big Man's chair? That's fantastic.
Gunn: Spike, can you please turn off that warm fuzzy?
Spike: What, the Lorne thing? Worn off. I just think that's bloody fabulous.

LOL

[LoomisFan4Life]

the Angel episode where Spike and Angel are looking for Buffy in Europe is absolutly the funniest episode ever.

[Ravenheart]

Originally posted by LoomisFan4Life
the Angel episode where Spike and Angel are looking for Buffy in Europe is absolutly the funniest episode ever.


Yeah that was a good one.I can't wait for the Angel Season 5 set to come out so I can see it again LOL

[LoomisFan4Life]

I just think that they should have done something with that prophesy that a vampire with a soul would save the world then become human. Fuck the WB for cancelling the show without too much closure.

[Ravenheart]

Maybe they'll do something with that if the movies ever get made.

[LoomisFan4Life]

Originally posted by Ravenheart
Maybe they'll do something with that if the movies ever get made.


yeah that would be pretty cool

[Nightmare13]

Originally posted by Buffy
SMG wanted her out, they did not get along and Joss accommodated her request, no chance of her coming back

I heard that Emma Caulfild did'nt want to come back in Angel, or any future spin-offs, so she wanted Anya to die.

[The Dark Shape]

Yeah, Caulfield wanted out. Originally, Anya was set to die in "The Gift," but she liked the character so much she didn't want to kill her. By the time of "Chosen," she just hated working on the show so much she didn't want there to be any possibility of coming back.

And Gellar is interested in returning to Buffy. Remember, the only reason she didn't appear in "The Girl in Question" is because The Grudge's schedule would have pushed filming past "Not Fade Away," where the entire Wolfram & Hart set was destroyed.

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
Yeah, Caulfield wanted out. Originally, Anya was set to die in "The Gift," but she liked the character so much she didn't want to kill her. By the time of "Chosen," she just hated working on the show so much she didn't want there to be any possibility of coming back.

Its really sad to hear that over and over. I loved Anya and i love Emma . To think she wanted out and there was bad blood doesnt sit right with me.

[Miss Informed]

I thought Anya had a great personality. She was great with Xander. I was devastated that they killed Tara off. She and Willow were complete. I also wish they would have pushed the Spike and Buffy thing. I know Buffy was meant to be with Angel and all but she should have settled on good ol' Spike dammit. Oh man I wish they would do another season. I just started Season 7. I am on like the third episode. So lets hope I like the ending :)

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by Miss Informed
I thought Anya had a great personality. She was great with Xander. I was devastated that they killed Tara off. She and Willow were complete. I also wish they would have pushed the Spike and Buffy thing. I know Buffy was meant to be with Angel and all but she should have settled on good ol' Spike dammit. Oh man I wish they would do another season. I just started Season 7. I am on like the third episode. So lets hope I like the ending :)

I dont remember the site now but it had a virtual season 8. It was pretty good. I havent seen it in a while, they might have started a season 9 already.

[The Dark Shape]

soulslaying.com?

And Buffy and Angel are meant for each other. Spike's just the leech.

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
soulslaying.com?

And Buffy and Angel are meant for each other. Spike's just the leech.

EDIT: Nevermind i found it- http://cqc.peanutco.com/s8/index.html Really good season 8 in my opinion.

[Miss Informed]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
soulslaying.com?

And Buffy and Angel are meant for each other. Spike's just the leech.

awww, don't say that about Spike! lol.

[The Dark Shape]

I like Spike, but it was his wannabe relationship with Buffy that dragged seasons 6 and 7 down :p That said, when they made him a side-player in Angel: Season 5, he was great. Marsters and Boreanaz have great comedic chemistry.

[Buffy]

I saw on the internet that when Joss is done with the Firefly movie he plans to pen the Buffy/Angel movie (and not just one). But I am sure the studio is interested and I know that Sarah, David, Nick, Allyson, Tony and even Julie Benz (both Nick and Julie remarked at conventions they would) I have read many articles that they would all like to do a movie. I would hope that Eliza and Seth would like to come back as well. They could do so much more. :)

[NCamp]

I personally really liked the Buffy/Spike relationship......better than Buffy/Angel.

That would rock if a movie got made. Myabe they can tie stop up better. And who was Julie Benz? Was that fred?

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by NCamp
And who was Julie Benz?

Darla. ;)

[NCamp]

oh shes dead. Remember....died giving birth to conner. Unless they bring her back.....AGAIN

[The Dark Shape]

Darla's died numerous times.

[Buffy]

Originally posted by NCamp
oh shes dead. Remember....died giving birth to conner. Unless they bring her back.....AGAIN

She died twice - when Buffy dusted her and she came back in Angel and she came back as a ghost after giving birth to Connor. She has also come back in flashbacks for Spike and Angel.

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by Buffy
She died twice - when Buffy dusted her and she came back in Angel and she came back as a ghost after giving birth to Connor. She has also come back in flashbacks for Spike and Angel.

Yes. They can always bring her back. There's plenty of Wolfram and Hart offices all over the world cabable of bringing back Darla. The've done it before, no doubt they can do it again.

[Cruel Intentions]

Buffy with my vote. Gotta love SMG!!

[Buffy]

Originally posted by boogeyman87
Yes. They can always bring her back. There's plenty of Wolfram and Hart offices all over the world cabable of bringing back Darla. The've done it before, no doubt they can do it again.

Buffy came back twice, Darla - so if they wanted they could bring back Anya too... Even Spike and Cordy came back. I hope they would bring back Fred and Wesley. Even though it looks like Wes died, he might not have. And Freds body is still alive, so whos to say they couldn't channel her soul back to her body.

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by Buffy
Buffy came back twice, Darla - so if they wanted they could bring back Anya too... Even Spike and Cordy came back. I hope they would bring back Fred and Wesley. Even though it looks like Wes died, he might not have. And Freds body is still alive, so whos to say they couldn't channel her soul back to her body.

I'm sure they could bring back the entire city of Sunnydale if they wanted to, but its all morals and ethics. Angel wouldnt have it. But damn i would love to see Anya back and Xander with a new eye. :p

[NCamp]

haha, if they brought back everyone who died that would ruin everything they have ever done. In angel when Fred got consumed by Illyria, Wesley was killed, Gunn most likely died, and even Lindsey murdered by Lorn.....(on a side not, was anyone else pissed and saddened when they killed Lindsey after he just helped them kill that society? I felt for him when he said Angel was supposed to be the one who did it. I actually really liked the Lindsey character even from the first season.) Back on topic, when all those people died it hit us all cause we liked the characters, they had a big effect on us which is what Whedon wanted to do. To take that back by brining people back from the dead would kill the emotional we felt when we watched it. Therefore I think they would ruin the shows by bringing people back.

Also it was really sad when Anya was killed. But it was in a good way, it gave us that feeling of saddness.

Also, who ended up really liking Andrew by the end. Especially after he kept saying he wouldnt make it through the fight and that he didnt deserve to survive it all. Then at the end he asked "Why did I survive?" Hes pretty cool and good for humor.

[LoomisFan4Life]

I was also pissed when Lorne killed Lindsey. It was cool how he said it was wierd that he asked about the rest of the team. And how he said Angel was really a vampire with great big balls. Excellent character and I felt he was gonna actually do some good...but Joss likes to do that to us.

[The Dark Shape]

A bit late in the coming, but I challenge all you Spuffy lovers to watch Angel 1x07 "I Will Remember You" and come out with the opinion that Buffy loves Spike half as much as she does Angel :)

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
A bit late in the coming, but I challenge all you Spuffy lovers to watch Angel 1x07 "I Will Remember You" and come out with the opinion that Buffy loves Spike half as much as she does Angel :)

No doubt she loves Angel more than Spike. Countless things she's done for him . Spike is the pyhsical relationship. But you see, its all Buffys fault in a way becuase with Angel she'll always be the innocent little slayer who is too young for him and isnt mature. With spike , its him wanting her soo much more than Buffy wanting Spike. Too bad Buffy never hooked up with Xander like it was going to be.

[NCamp]

Mind you that episode was before Buffy and Spike hooked up. After the third season I stopped hoping for Buffy and Xander...it just wasnt going to happen.

[LoomisFan4Life]

yeah Angel was Buffy's first love so she will always look at him that way no matter who comes along.

[Buffy]

Originally posted by NCamp
Mind you that episode was before Buffy and Spike hooked up. After the third season I stopped hoping for Buffy and Xander...it just wasnt going to happen.

I thought after the wedding episode with Xander and Anya that Buffy and Xander might hook up - seemed like it might go that way. I am still hoping though that they do a movie(s) and Angel becomes human again and he and Buffy can be together.

[NCamp]

Angel cant. He signed any chance of getting his soul back when he joined that society. I guess now its just left to Spike.

You should add Andrew and maybe Wood to the poll. Andrew rules!

[Laow-Z]

Originally posted by Buffy
I thought after the wedding episode with Xander and Anya that Buffy and Xander might hook up - seemed like it might go that way. I am still hoping though that they do a movie(s) and Angel becomes human again and he and Buffy can be together.
Angel fucked up when he refused the ring from Willow that allowed him to walk in the light. That was a close to human he would get. He gave his reason for not taking it but it sure as hell wasn't a good enough one.

[LoomisFan4Life]

Originally posted by Laow-Z
Angel fucked up when he refused the ring from Willow that allowed him to walk in the light. That was a close to human he would get. He gave his reason for not taking it but it sure as hell wasn't a good enough one.


Anyone remember what his reason was for refusing the ring? I can't remember.

[Buffy]

Originally posted by LoomisFan4Life
Anyone remember what his reason was for refusing the ring? I can't remember.

He destroyed it in case he turned bad again or another Vamp got it, they would have to much power.

[Buffy]

Originally posted by NCamp
Angel cant. He signed any chance of getting his soul back when he joined that society. I guess now its just left to Spike.

You should add Andrew and maybe Wood to the poll. Andrew rules!

I will refer to the DVD tonight but as far as I remember he just said he wasn't ready yet, it wasn't time. I do not think they said he wouldn't be human again. He gave up the time with Buffy and her memory of it, pretty sure that was it.

[Laow-Z]

Originally posted by Buffy
He destroyed it in case he turned bad again or another Vamp got it, they would have to much power.
Yea it was something like that, also i remember him saying something like that if he was allowed to go out in the day that alot would suffer at night because he does have to sleep sometime. Something to the effect that he would be able to better concintrate if he only had the night time to deal with.

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by Laow-Z
Yea it was something like that, also i remember him saying something like that if he was allowed to go out in the day that alot would suffer at night because he does have to sleep sometime. Something to the effect that he would be able to better concintrate if he only had the night time to deal with.

Yes, but too bad it didnt all happen when he was with Wolfram and Hart where there were teams and teams of people that could do his dirty work. He might have kept that ring.

[Buffy]

Just curious - with Anya gone and obiviously Buffy will end up with Angel or Spike... What about Xander and Faith ending up together if there is a movie?

[Laow-Z]

Originally posted by Buffy
Just curious - with Anya gone and obiviously Buffy will end up with Angel or Spike... What about Xander and Faith ending up together if there is a movie?
I'm hoping Eliza will reprise her role if there is a movie!!! Her and Zander had their 1 night together so it could be possible that they will "hook up" again.

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by Buffy
Just curious - with Anya gone and obiviously Buffy will end up with Angel or Spike... What about Xander and Faith ending up together if there is a movie?

Possible , but she's with the Principal. I could see Xander ending up with a potential slayer. Like an english girl or something. He really should of ended with Anya.

[NCamp]

Originally posted by Buffy
I will refer to the DVD tonight but as far as I remember he just said he wasn't ready yet, it wasn't time. I do not think they said he wouldn't be human again. He gave up the time with Buffy and her memory of it, pretty sure that was it.

No it was in like the 3 to the last episode. He signed a conract that voided any chance of him taking part in the shanshu prophecy. Then the contract dissapeared.

[LoomisFan4Life]

yeah but didn't they kill everyone in the group that knew abou the contract. Maybe they could find it and burn it or something.

[NCamp]

Originally posted by boogeyman87
Possible , but she's with the Principal. I could see Xander ending up with a potential slayer. Like an english girl or something. He really should of ended with Anya.

Haha anyone remember that dream xander had of the potentials in the final season. "Ive never been with a man before. Ive never been with a man infront of her before either." Then you see them all having a pillow fight. That was great.

Yeah I was a little upset when anya was killed. They were about to get back together.

[The Dark Shape]

About the ring -- remember, it still wouldn't have changed the whole Angel turning into Angelus bit if he has a moment of perfect happiness.

[LoomisFan4Life]

yeah. If he ever did turn to Angelus and had the ring (I think it was called the Gem of Amora or something), imagine the damage he could do. I just think the thought of that scared him.

[Ultimate Killer]

I like Harmony and the mother of Angels son (Darla SP?), also the female cop from Angels first couple of seasons.

Oh and last but not least Anya, (yummy) ;)

[Buffy]

Originally posted by Ultimate Killer
I like Harmony and the mother of Angels son (Darla SP?), also the female cop from Angels first couple of seasons.

Oh and last but not least Anya, (yummy) ;)

See UK... wish you had been at chiller in Oct - Darla - Julie Benz was there, she is sooooo nice. She said it was a big possibility Joss would make a movie and she probably would be in it!

[Buffy]

I hope they bring back Oz and make Willow go back with him - I liked Tara - but can't stand Kennedy

[The Dark Shape]

Kennedy doesn't bother me. She didn't make an impression on me, like Oz and Tara, but then again, she only had like fifteen episodes -- it took me a season each to really start to like the other two.

I just binged on every episode of Buffy and Angel, 254 in all, in three months. Damn that was fun.

[Laow-Z]

Originally posted by Buffy
I hope they bring back Oz and make Willow go back with him - I liked Tara - but can't stand Kennedy
I started to like Tara more at the end, it was her whole stuttering and shyness that annoyed me at first but it grew on me. I do however like seeing Willow "with" Kennedy better:p

[LoomisFan4Life]

I liked Tara, but not as much as Oz. He was hilarious how he was so calm about everything. It would be nice to see him back, but I don't know if Seth Green would do it.

[The Dark Shape]

The original plan for Angel: Season 6 was to have Willow and Oz join the Fang Gang.

[NCamp]

Un problemo.....Willow is a lesbian. Dark Shape where did you read that Willow and Oz would have joined in LA if there had been a season 6?

And about that contract he signed. Once he signed it it vanished, probably got sent down to the head office, so Im sure it was iron clad. It was the sacrafice Angel made to take down that society.

[The Dark Shape]

After the show was officially cancelled, Amy Acker mentioned what she and Joss had talked about as to where the story was going. Willow and Oz would've joined the gang, and Fred and Illyria would be split into two beings.

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by Laow-Z
I started to like Tara more at the end, it was her whole stuttering and shyness that annoyed me at first but it grew on me. I do however like seeing Willow "with" Kennedy better:p

Yes Willow and Kennedy is hot young lesbians, while Willow and Tara is a serious older lesbian relationship. :p Does anyone have a favorite shocking moment on Angel or Buffy? For me nothing on the show ever shocked me (not joyce's death or Tara's death) except when Caleb gauged Xanders eye out. That threw me off my seat with my mouth open.

[Ultimate Killer]

Originally posted by Buffy
See UK... wish you had been at chiller in Oct - Darla - Julie Benz was there, she is sooooo nice. She said it was a big possibility Joss would make a movie and she probably would be in it!

Yup, your right I wish I had been there. For her but also to hang out with all you board members.

[The Dark Shape]

Angel regaining his soul just before being sent to Hell.

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
Angel regaining his soul just before being sent to Hell.

Ahh yes that was a shocker. Xanders hate for Angel let that happen. That was something that Xander never really payed for.

[Buffy]

Originally posted by NCamp
Un problemo.....Willow is a lesbian. Dark Shape where did you read that Willow and Oz would have joined in LA if there had been a season 6?

And about that contract he signed. Once he signed it it vanished, probably got sent down to the head office, so Im sure it was iron clad. It was the sacrafice Angel made to take down that society.

I wouldn't say she was a full blown lesbian - she dated Oz for a long time and had a crush on Xander forever. I think she would swing both ways - and the big reason for her to go back to guys would be Oz, they were tight.

[NCamp]

Thats cool. So Fred would have been back again!? That would have been awesome, it was sad when she died in Wesley's arms.

Xander with the eye patch rocked. He looked like a bad ass spy.

And why are we blacking stuff out? The shows are long over, I dont think we are spoiling much any more. But all those afromentioned ones are favorites of mine as well. But the part I thought was the coolest (not too much shocking but just awesome to see) was at the end of season 3, when the whole school threw off their gowns and were equipped for battle. Then when the vamps ran there was a whole second army of kids waiting for them. Coolest battle of the whole series.

[NCamp]

Originally posted by Buffy
I wouldn't say she was a full blown lesbian - she dated Oz for a long time and had a crush on Xander forever. I think she would swing both ways - and the big reason for her to go back to guys would be Oz, they were tight.

True they did have that connection with one another. And for future reference how are you people blacking stuff out?

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by NCamp
True they did have that connection with one another. And for future reference how are you people blacking stuff out?

{spoiler} text here {/spoiler} except replace {} with [] and theres your spoiler. I was just doing it because.. well you know i dont know why. I was just thinking about the people who are caught up yet or are watching the show through dvd. :)

[LoomisFan4Life]

Originally posted by NCamp
Thats cool. So Fred would have been back again!? That would have been awesome, it was sad when she died in Wesley's arms.

Xander with the eye patch rocked. He looked like a bad ass spy.

And why are we blacking stuff out? The shows are long over, I dont think we are spoiling much any more. But all those afromentioned ones are favorites of mine as well. But the part I thought was the coolest (not too much shocking but just awesome to see) was at the end of season 3, when the whole school threw off their gowns and were equipped for battle. Then when the vamps ran there was a whole second army of kids waiting for them. Coolest battle of the whole series.

I loved season 3 as well. The mayor was an awesome villian.

[NCamp]

Ok I pose a question. Now the trio from Buffy season 6. Jonothan, Andrew, and the other guy I forget his name......Johnothan and the other guy had a buffy episode before. The other guy built the robot girlfriend in season 5, and Johnothan went to high school with Buffy and was in a few episodes before. So keeping in tradition of those two having been in Buffy before, was Andrew in any other earlier episodes? Thats always been a question to me. It seems like that what they were about....they had dealt with the slayer before and were scorned by her. Any of you know?

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by NCamp
Ok I pose a question. Now the trio from Buffy season 6. Jonothan, Andrew, and the other guy I forget his name......Johnothan and the other guy had a buffy episode before. The other guy built the robot girlfriend in season 5, and Johnothan went to high school with Buffy and was in a few episodes before. So keeping in tradition of those two having been in Buffy before, was Andrew in any other earlier episodes? Thats always been a question to me. It seems like that what they were about....they had dealt with the slayer before and were scorned by her. Any of you know?

Well the other guy is Warren. :) As for Andrew all i remember is that he was the brother of ...... somebody. I really dont remember.

[The Dark Shape]

Andrew is Tucker's brother. Tucker unleashed the hellhounds on the prom in Season 3.

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
Andrew is Tucker's brother. Tucker unleashed the hellhounds on the prom in Season 3.

Thanks for clearing that up for NCamp and me. I knew he was someones brother. Just couldnt remember who. :)

[Miss Informed]

I am in the middle of Season 7 right now. I am 2 episodes before "conversations with dead people" I have heard really bad reviews of season 7. So far, as of the other seasons, I am enjoy the hell out of it. I don't think Buffy could be a bad show. I am not quite understanding Spike's deal though.

[LoomisFan4Life]

Originally posted by Miss Informed
I am in the middle of Season 7 right now. I am 2 episodes before "conversations with dead people" I have heard really bad reviews of season 7. So far, as of the other seasons, I am enjoy the hell out of it. I don't think Buffy could be a bad show. I am not quite understanding Spike's deal though.


For most of season 7 Spike goes through a sorta depression, because he just got a soul and realized all the horrible things he had done and cared about it. It sucked to see Spike like that, but it was cool filling us in on the backstories of his life. Also it is great when he is on Angel in season 5...he has a very comedic role and is hilarious.

[Miss Informed]

Originally posted by LoomisFan4Life
For most of season 7 Spike goes through a sorta depression, because he just got a soul and realized all the horrible things he had done and cared about it. It sucked to see Spike like that, but it was cool filling us in on the backstories of his life. Also it is great when he is on Angel in season 5...he has a very comedic role and is hilarious.

Well it is good to see him back to his old self. Does he ever shape up on Buffy? I know they love eachother and all.

[The Dark Shape]

Buffy doesn't love Spike, and he knows it. Wait till "Chosen."

Up until "Conversations With Dead People," it's a great season. However, after that it slows down quite a bit, and a lot of people hate the Potential Slayers who are introduced. It picks back up again with Episode 16, "Storyteller."

[Laow-Z]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
Buffy doesn't love Spike, and he knows it. Wait till "Chosen."

Up until "Conversations With Dead People," it's a great season. However, after that it slows down quite a bit, and a lot of people hate the Potential Slayers who are introduced. It picks back up again with Episode 16, "Storyteller."
I didn't quite go for that whole storyline. 1 or 2 additional slayers maybe, but 20??!! Someone refresh my memory on how there got to be so many slayers. Faith came about because Buffy did die but then was brought back but how did so many become potentials?

[Buffy]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
Buffy doesn't love Spike, and he knows it. Wait till "Chosen."

Up until "Conversations With Dead People," it's a great season. However, after that it slows down quite a bit, and a lot of people hate the Potential Slayers who are introduced. It picks back up again with Episode 16, "Storyteller."

I agree the potential slayers were a bit annoying - but at least Buffy and Faith are the leaders. I think Buffy did love Spike in some way, but not like Angel.

[NCamp]

Thanks for clearing that up for me Dark Shape about Andrew. Ill have to look for that now cause i cant remember it.

About the whole Spike and Buffy love thing. I think its more complicated than that. They both dont know how they feel. Well Spike does, but Buffy said she loved him at the end, and even though he said no she didnt but thanks for saying it. You could see in her eyes that she did really care/love him. Its just more she doesnt want to admit it.

Now for Loa-Z, I think it can be concluded that at one point Faith was a potential as well, but then she was chosen after Bianca was killed by Drusilla. So there is probably a huge pool out there of potentials. But what I dont get, they were threatening to whipe out all the slayers so the "all" gathered at Buffys. But yet at the end you see a whole shit load of girls given the slayer power. Didnt make sense

[Buffy]

Originally posted by NCamp
About the whole Spike and Buffy love thing. I think its more complicated than that. They both dont know how they feel. Well Spike does, but Buffy said she loved him at the end, and even though he said no she didnt but thanks for saying it. You could see in her eyes that she did really care/love him. Its just more she doesnt want to admit it.


No I think he was saying that Buffy wasn't in love with him - but she did love him and care for him.

[The Dark Shape]

Buffy most definitely cares for Spike, but she doesn't love him in the "Let's get together and make babies" kind of way :)

[NCamp]

I dont know. The impression I get is that she loves in a more than caring way. The way she told him. It had meaning. Maybe just call it fools hope. But I like to think she meant it. Plus I think they made a better couple than Angel and Buffy. They were more like a real couple. Always had a smart ass coment for each other. Thats real love people.

[Buffy]

Originally posted by NCamp
I dont know. The impression I get is that she loves in a more than caring way. The way she told him. It had meaning. Maybe just call it fools hope. But I like to think she meant it. Plus I think they made a better couple than Angel and Buffy. They were more like a real couple. Always had a smart ass coment for each other. Thats real love people.

Well I am not sure about that - they used to beat the crap out of each other - before and after sex (and sometimes during). I am not sure that is exactly a "real couple". Besides Joss Whedon made it clear that Buffy and Angels love was real, true and pure. Besides its clear whenever Angel is around Buffys feelings for him are clear.

[NCamp]

I think though if given the chance to choose between the two it wouldnt be such a cut and dry decision. Angel was first love so yeah thats big. But I think if they had enough time Spike and Buffy would have gone somewhere. IMO

[The Dark Shape]

Hell? Remember, Buffy started fucking Spike to feel something in life. She felt terrible, but that was better than nothing at all.

And I don't seem to remember Angel trying to rape her.

[Buffy]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
And I don't seem to remember Angel trying to rape her.

I totally forgot that one - thats right... And he had no excuses like Angel that he turned into Angelus or something.

[LoomisFan4Life]

Originally posted by Buffy
I totally forgot that one - thats right... And he had no excuses like Angel that he turned into Angelus or something.

well Spike didn't have a soul at the time. He was so much different from Angelus it wasn't even funny. Spike actually felt things even though he was soulless.

[Laow-Z]

Originally posted by LoomisFan4Life
well Spike didn't have a soul at the time. He was so much different from Angelus it wasn't even funny. Spike actually felt things even though he was soulless.
Didn't he have a soul the time in the bathroom? I think he did.

[LoomisFan4Life]

Originally posted by Laow-Z
Didn't he have a soul the time in the bathroom? I think he did.

No that is what made him leave Sunnydale in the finale of season 6 and get his soul.

[Buffy]

Originally posted by LoomisFan4Life
well Spike didn't have a soul at the time. He was so much different from Angelus it wasn't even funny. Spike actually felt things even though he was soulless.

But the difference is that he may not have had a soul he was still in love with Buffy - and had been doing a lot of stuff to help everyone - especially the whole Glory and Dawn issue. And when Buffy died he became a big part of the Scoobies by protecting Dawn so I do not see any excuse, especially the whole he didn't have a soul thing. Angelus is just pure evil, Spike was reforming.

[LoomisFan4Life]

Originally posted by Buffy
But the difference is that he may not have had a soul he was still in love with Buffy - and had been doing a lot of stuff to help everyone - especially the whole Glory and Dawn issue. And when Buffy died he became a big part of the Scoobies by protecting Dawn so I do not see any excuse, especially the whole he didn't have a soul thing. Angelus is just pure evil, Spike was reforming.


Good point. He fought with them for a long time. I guess the way I look at it is that most of the times when Spike and Buffy had sex it started out with them hitting each other. So I think at first it seemed no different to him than that. The only difference in this scene is Sarah Michelle Gellar's incredible acting. She actually looked helpless.

[Buffy]

Originally posted by LoomisFan4Life
Good point. He fought with them for a long time. I guess the way I look at it is that most of the times when Spike and Buffy had sex it started out with them hitting each other. So I think at first it seemed no different to him than that. The only difference in this scene is Sarah Michelle Gellar's incredible acting. She actually looked helpless.

Remember he was in love with her for a while - the Buffy Bot was courtesy of Spike and Warren.

[LoomisFan4Life]

Originally posted by Buffy
Remember he was in love with her for a while - the Buffy Bot was courtesy of Spike and Warren.


yeah that Buffy Bot was pretty fun, sick but funny. The best was when he had Harmony chase after him with a stake and pretend to be Buffy.

[Ultimate Killer]

Originally posted by LoomisFan4Life
The best was when he had Harmony chase after him with a stake and pretend to be Buffy.

No shit huh, I digged that.

[Laow-Z]

Originally posted by LoomisFan4Life
No that is what made him leave Sunnydale in the finale of season 6 and get his soul.
Ah yes, i didn't see that coming. It was a cool play on words. Spike never actually said he wanted to be evil again to get back at Buffy, he said he wanted to give her what she deserved so in his mind he wanted to be "bad" to kill her but instead the creature (can't remember the name) gave him his soul so he could give her what she deserved.....him.

[Buffy]

Originally posted by Laow-Z
Ah yes, i didn't see that coming. It was a cool play on words. Spike never actually said he wanted to be evil again to get back at Buffy, he said he wanted to give her what she deserved so in his mind he wanted to be "bad" to kill her but instead the creature (can't remember the name) gave him his soul so he could give her what she deserved.....him.

I didn't interput it that way... I knew he was going to get his soul cause Buffy said she couldn't love anyone who didn't have one. I think he was just angry in general and talking like Spike.

[LoomisFan4Life]

Originally posted by Laow-Z
Ah yes, i didn't see that coming. It was a cool play on words. Spike never actually said he wanted to be evil again to get back at Buffy, he said he wanted to give her what she deserved so in his mind he wanted to be "bad" to kill her but instead the creature (can't remember the name) gave him his soul so he could give her what she deserved.....him.


yeah I always wondered what he really went there for. To get the chip outta his head or get his soul. I remember alot of Buffy viewers were pissed when he got his soul because of Angel, but hey whatever. I like both Spike and Angel so I didn't mind.

[Buffy]

Originally posted by LoomisFan4Life
yeah I always wondered what he really went there for. To get the chip outta his head or get his soul. I remember alot of Buffy viewers were pissed when he got his soul because of Angel, but hey whatever. I like both Spike and Angel so I didn't mind.


Well its interesting, Angel got his soul back when he didn't want to and lived a tortured life for a 100 years til he hooked up with Buffy. Spike got his soul just for the love of Buffy. Angel ended up being a hero to redeem himself and make up for stuff, Spike only for Buffy, he necessarily isn't "good" or a "hero". He just likes the fighting. But by the end of Angel he started making friends - like with Fred.

[Laow-Z]

Originally posted by Buffy
I didn't interput it that way... I knew he was going to get his soul cause Buffy said she couldn't love anyone who didn't have one. I think he was just angry in general and talking like Spike.
That was a lucky guess on your part;) Like LoomisFan4Life says above, Spike tried to get the chip out for a while. This was his only hope after the tests. He was pissed at Buffy and wanted to be his "ol self" again so he can attack her and humans again. He wanted things "to go back to the way they used to be" as he put it but he meant when he was a "normal" vampire but the creature (still can't remember the name) took it as the way it used to be when he had a soul.....and that's what he got. Spike didn't use exact words for what he wanted and got screwed for it (in more ways than one:p )

[Miss Informed]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
Buffy doesn't love Spike, and he knows it. Wait till "Chosen."

Up until "Conversations With Dead People," it's a great season. However, after that it slows down quite a bit, and a lot of people hate the Potential Slayers who are introduced. It picks back up again with Episode 16, "Storyteller."

Well Angel is who she truly loves but I do know that there is some attraction there. There has to be. lol.

[NCamp]

No the reason he left Sunnydale was to get that chip taken out so he could kill buffy. He didnt plan on getting his soul, the demon thing tricked him and gave it back to him at the end. He asked the demon to "Make him what he was", and thats what he did. He made him with a soul.

Back to the whole love thing. Yeah he tried to rape her but he didnt have a soul. He was still evil. But evil or not....remember the series finale of season 5 when buffy died. He was soulless then, but he started crying when he saw Buffy lying there dead. Thats huge cause he was still a vampire, and when did you ever see a soulless Vampire cry?

[LoomisFan4Life]

Originally posted by NCamp
Back to the whole love thing. Yeah he tried to rape her but he didnt have a soul. He was still evil. But evil or not....remember the series finale of season 5 when buffy died. He was soulless then, but he started crying when he saw Buffy lying there dead. Thats huge cause he was still a vampire, and when did you ever see a soulless Vampire cry?

Exactly. That is why Spike is such an interesting charcater. When they put together the Judge, he said that Drusilla and him stink of humanity because they share affection. Maybe it had to do with the man Spike was before he was turned. He was very affectionated towards his mother so he made her a vampire to be with him forever. However she was different, and this hurt him so he was forced to kill her. Spike is like no other vampire and Buffy brought alot of goodness outta him. This did not change that fact that he was part evil demon and part man and there was always a struggle.

[Buffy]

Originally posted by NCamp
No the reason he left Sunnydale was to get that chip taken out so he could kill buffy. He didnt plan on getting his soul, the demon thing tricked him and gave it back to him at the end. He asked the demon to "Make him what he was", and thats what he did. He made him with a soul.

I disagree, there are other worldly ways he could have had the chip taken out, going to that demon meant he had to have the tests to prove he could be a hero/champion. But that is why it was left open to interprutation - only Joss Whedon really knows what Spike meant.

[The Dark Shape]

How? I seem to remember, possibly in Season 5, it being brought up that if they removed the chip from his head, it would kill him.

Spike is a major sufferer of TFS -- The Fonz Syndrome. When they made him a protagonist, he just wasn't interesting anymore. Watch "School Hard" and tell me the Spike from later seasons even compares.

[NCamp]

I dont know which one school hard was. But when he was bad he was the normal bad guy. Id say by season 4 he started going good. He wasnt the same and he was bad then. His journey to a good guy was much more interesting than his season as one of the big bads.

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by NCamp
I dont know which one school hard was. But when he was bad he was the normal bad guy. Id say by season 4 he started going good. He wasnt the same and he was bad then. His journey to a good guy was much more interesting than his season as one of the big bads.


"School Hard" was in season 2. The one where Spike and Dru blaze into town and launch their attack on Buffy while she is at open house (or some parent school function).

[The Dark Shape]

Originally posted by NCamp
I dont know which one school hard was. But when he was bad he was the normal bad guy. Id say by season 4 he started going good. He wasnt the same and he was bad then. His journey to a good guy was much more interesting than his season as one of the big bads.

"Please! If every vampire who said he was at the crucifixion was actually there, it would've been like Woodstock!"

Name one Spike line from Seasons 4 - 7 that compares :)

[Buffy]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
How? I seem to remember, possibly in Season 5, it being brought up that if they removed the chip from his head, it would kill him.

Spike is a major sufferer of TFS -- The Fonz Syndrome. When they made him a protagonist, he just wasn't interesting anymore. Watch "School Hard" and tell me the Spike from later seasons even compares.

Might kill him... and I do not remember anyone trying to get it out but him and by season 7 it was out (that is why when he was the first and started killing people again he could) Buffy (I do not remember how) got it out cause he had a soul...

[The Dark Shape]

I just went through Season 7. The chip was defective, and was either going to kill him (vampire... how?), or she could repair it. Would've been funny if the minute it was out, he had Dawn for supper.

[LoomisFan4Life]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
"Please! If every vampire who said he was at the crucifixion was actually there, it would've been like Woodstock!"

Name one Spike line from Seasons 4 - 7 that compares :)

Yeah I know what you mean. The only real good lines he had after that were in season 4. But it was when he had the chip in his head, and even though he was with the Scooby Gang he still wanted to kill them

"You made a bear, undo it, undo it!!!!!"

Spike to Riley "No I'm a friend of Xandeeerrrrzzzz (in funny southern accent)"

[NCamp]

Originally posted by Buffy
Might kill him... and I do not remember anyone trying to get it out but him and by season 7 it was out (that is why when he was the first and started killing people again he could) Buffy (I do not remember how) got it out cause he had a soul...

No it wasnt out in season 7. It was still there. He had a soul, but notice how when ever he still hit a human he still got a migrane?

Spike was just as clever in the later seasons. He had a few good lines in season 7 but thats not what I define as interesting. Besides you could even stretch it to say Spike started his path to goodness in Season 2. After all he help Buffy take down Angelus, he took care of Dru while she fought Angelus. And in Angel season 5 Spike was the best character. So he was still as interesting good as he was evil.

BTW, Im watching a repeat of season 2 right now. They used weird lighting in the first seasons. There is more glow and the vamps are super pale. Its weird.

On a side not, I think we all have done a good job reviving this thread that sat dormant for months.

[Buffy]

Originally posted by NCamp
No it wasnt out in season 7. It was still there. He had a soul, but notice how when ever he still hit a human he still got a migrane?

Spike was just as clever in the later seasons. He had a few good lines in season 7 but thats not what I define as interesting. Besides you could even stretch it to say Spike started his path to goodness in Season 2. After all he help Buffy take down Angelus, he took care of Dru while she fought Angelus. And in Angel season 5 Spike was the best character. So he was still as interesting good as he was evil.

BTW, Im watching a repeat of season 2 right now. They used weird lighting in the first seasons. There is more glow and the vamps are super pale. Its weird.

On a side not, I think we all have done a good job reviving this thread that sat dormant for months.

I could swear it was out, I remember after Spike started killing people again that Giles asked Buffy how that was possible and she said that the chip needed to be removed because it was defective and that they did it (she wen to the initiative to do it I remember) and Giles flipped out. I don't think I dreamed that. I do not have season 7 is on my xmas list (I was told not to get it under penalty of death) so I cannot check.

and you are so right I am glad this thread is going strong, there are so many things to talk about with 12 years of shows to talk about (and before someone corrects me - 7 seasons of Buffy and 5 of Angel - I know they ran at the same time)

[LoomisFan4Life]

I think the chip was out to. I don't remember it happening but like Buffy said I remember Buffy's conversation with Giles in Wood's office about the chip. Remember The First tricked Spike into killing again, when he heard that one song his mom used to sing to him.

[Buffy]

Originally posted by LoomisFan4Life
I think the chip was out to. I don't remember it happening but like Buffy said I remember Buffy's conversation with Giles in Wood's office about the chip. Remember The First tricked Spike into killing again, when he heard that one song his mom used to sing to him.

Thanks.... at least I have hope I didn't dream it. ;)

[TheShape66]

Originally posted by Buffy
I could swear it was out, I remember after Spike started killing people again that Giles asked Buffy how that was possible and she said that the chip needed to be removed because it was defective and that they did it (she wen to the initiative to do it I remember) and Giles flipped out. I don't think I dreamed that. I do not have season 7 is on my xmas list (I was told not to get it under penalty of death) so I cannot check.

You are correct...Buffy did contact members of the inititive and had the chip removed from Spike's head in season 7...happened in Episode 13 "The Killer in Me"

[Buffy]

TheShape66 and LoomisFan4Life - thanks I knew I was crazy! :D :p

[The Dark Shape]

With Angel: Season 5, the writers made Spike what he always should've been as a hero -- a side-player, the Cordelia of the group who constantly berates the main character.

[Buffy]

Speaking of Angel and Spike in season 5, I do not know about anyone else but one of my favorite episodes was when Angel turned into the puppet, I loved it - I love when Spike says, "Your a Bloody Puppet!" and then Angel kicks his ass in the elevator.

[LoomisFan4Life]

yeah he was hilarious in Angel Season 5. James Marsters and David Boreanz have great chemistry. I loved when they were in Europe looking for Buffy. Also it is funny in the last episode when Angel walks in and say "One of you is gonna betray me tonite", then Spike raises his hand without hesitation. Great Stuff.

[Buffy]

Originally posted by LoomisFan4Life
yeah he was hilarious in Angel Season 5. James Marsters and David Boreanz have great chemistry. I loved when they were in Europe looking for Buffy. Also it is funny in the last episode when Angel walks in and say "One of you is gonna betray me tonite", then Spike raises his hand without hesitation. Great Stuff.

That was a great one too... and what about season 1 when Cordy had the party and Angel imagined himself dancing - truely one of the greatest moments.

[The Dark Shape]

Originally posted by LoomisFan4Life
yeah he was hilarious in Angel Season 5. James Marsters and David Boreanz have great chemistry. I loved when they were in Europe looking for Buffy. Also it is funny in the last episode when Angel walks in and say "One of you is gonna betray me tonite", then Spike raises his hand without hesitation. Great Stuff.

"This may come off as a bit pretentious, but one of you will betray me. (Spike raises his hand) No, not you."

"Can I at least deny you three times?"

[LoomisFan4Life]

Any opinions on who you guys thought was the scariest and/or favorite villian to you? I would have to say that my top three would be Angelus, Mayor Richard Wilkins III, and Jasmine.

[Buffy]

Originally posted by LoomisFan4Life
Any opinions on who you guys thought was the scariest and/or favorite villian to you? I would have to say that my top three would be Angelus, Mayor Richard Wilkins III, and Jasmine.

I would say best villan was the Mayor - he was creepy, scary and really funny. Angelus was really good in Season 3, Season 3 was the best season of all.

[Ultimate Killer]

Originally posted by Buffy
I would say best villan was the Mayor - he was creepy, scary and really funny.


yeah, I loved the mayor..

[boogeyman87]

To me i always liked Glory and Adam. Which no one ever goes for so i'm always the odd one there. I liked how Glory was a GOD , and i liked how Adam was made up of different parts monsters, humans, and part machine. I just liked the whole metaphor behind him. :)

[LoomisFan4Life]

yeah there have been so many great villians in Buffyverse. I like Adam and Glory as well. It's funny cause the worst villian may be The Master who seemed really bad at the time. Well, I take that back I didn't really like Willow going all crazy in Season 6, the Trioka were ok, but not really to scary.

[Silverpsycho]

It was a toughie between Spike and Buffy...but Buffy came out on top and won my vote as most kick-ass character. I have not seen all the episodes, but from what I have...this is definitely a fun series to watch. I wish I had more time to catch reruns though. They are on at the wrong times for me.

[Buffy]

So what is the worst Buffy moment? I always thought Double Meat Palace was kinda bad... I just didn't like the so-called demon at the end... bad effects and kinda dopey - the storyline was kinda interesting but the demon sucked.

[NCamp]

Originally posted by TheShape66
You are correct...Buffy did contact members of the inititive and had the chip removed from Spike's head in season 7...happened in Episode 13 "The Killer in Me"

Must have been such a miniscule moment I didnt notice it.

[NCamp]

I actually perfered Spike to Angel in the last season of Angel. They had him play the corporate role too much even though it was part of the story. Side player or not, season 5 would have been in the shitters if it wasnt for spike.

I liked all the villains, except for the master (when you think about it he was really weak) and bad willow (they just ran out of ideas). Adam was really cool, especially when Buffy beat him at the end. Angel and the Mayor were my two tops favorites.

How about your favorite episode bad guy? Mine had to be the gentlemen. It actually won an emmy for that episode.

[Buffy]

Originally posted by NCamp
How about your favorite episode bad guy? Mine had to be the gentlemen. It actually won an emmy for that episode.

That is the scariest episode by far.

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by NCamp
I actually perfered Spike to Angel in the last season of Angel. They had him play the corporate role too much even though it was part of the story. Side player or not, season 5 would have been in the shitters if it wasnt for spike.

I liked all the villains, except for the master (when you think about it he was really weak) and bad willow (they just ran out of ideas). Adam was really cool, especially when Buffy beat him at the end. Angel and the Mayor were my two tops favorites.

How about your favorite episode bad guy? Mine had to be the gentlemen. It actually won an emmy for that episode.

Will bad willow was supposed to happen way before season 6. So it wasnt exactly a last minute thing they thought up. Favorite episode villian would have to be Sunday. Do any of you remember her from season 4?:p

[LoomisFan4Life]

Originally posted by boogeyman87
Wll bad willow was supposed to happen way before season 6. So it wasnt exactly a last minute thing they thought up. Favorite episode villian would have to be Sunday. Do any of you remember her from season 4?:p


yeah I remember Sunday from the first episode of season 4. She kicked Buffy's ass til the end after Buffy got a great pep talk from Xander. As far as my favorite episode villian goes I would also have to say it is The Gentleman. I mean wow I still jump when I see that epsidoe. What a creation by Josh Whedon, only he could pull off 27 minutes of silence.

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by LoomisFan4Life
yeah I remember Sunday from the first episode of season 4. She kicked Buffy's ass til the end after Buffy got a great pep talk from Xander. As far as my favorite episode villian goes I would also have to say it is The Gentleman. I mean wow I still jump when I see that epsidoe. What a creation by Josh Whedon, only he could pull off 27 minutes of silence.

I know, "Hush" and "Once more with feeling" are the only episodes where my parents asked what the heck i was watching. Imagine one had over 20 minutes of silence so i'm just sitting in my room and theres no sound, and the other is a musical. Hmm, had to explain those. ;)

[LoomisFan4Life]

Originally posted by boogeyman87
I know, "Hush" and "Once more with feeling" are the only episodes where my parents asked what the heck i was watching. Imagine one had over 20 minutes of silence so i'm just sitting in my room and theres no sound, and the other is a musical. Hmm, had to explain those. ;)


yeah I know what you mean. Now everytime I am watching something where their is is wierd scence, my mom always asks if I am watching Buffy.

[Buffy]

Originally posted by boogeyman87
Will bad willow was supposed to happen way before season 6. So it wasnt exactly a last minute thing they thought up. Favorite episode villian would have to be Sunday. Do any of you remember her from season 4?:p

There was a lot of stuff that Joss planned before hand. He is known to have plotted out every season years in advance - known all directions that the characters where going. When I met Nick Brendan he said he was supposed to die in the series finale but Joss just couldn't do it. He also said that Buffy and Xander at one point were gonna get together and his death at the end

[LoomisFan4Life]

Originally posted by Buffy
There was a lot of stuff that Joss planned before hand. He is known to have plotted out every season years in advance - known all directions that the characters where going. When I met Nick Brendan he said he was supposed to die in the series finale but Joss just couldn't do it. He also said that Buffy and Xander at one point were gonna get together and his death at the end

yeah he also knew about Dawn since the begining of Season 2.

[The Dark Shape]

And what did Spike do in Season 5 other than provide comic relief? Generally, that's not the difference between great and terrible.

And my Buffyverse season villains, from best to worst:

1. Angelus
2. Mayor Wilkins
3. Lindsey McDonald
4. The First
5. Daniel Holtz
6. Glory
7. Jasmine
8. Warren
9. Adam
10. The Master

[NCamp]

Who is Sunday? I cant remember. Yeah I read in a magazine that he was going to have Xander die but he knew the fans would FLIP so he decided to kill off Anya instead.

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by NCamp
Who is Sunday? I cant remember. Yeah I read in a magazine that he was going to have Xander die but he knew the fans would FLIP so he decided to kill off Anya instead.

Sunday is the female vampire in "the freshman" episode. The season 4 opener. She had that gang of vampires and she kicked Buffy's ass the first time around.

[Moron86]

You guys are definitely right about the Gentleman as creepy episode villains. The only other episode baddie who's scared me worse than them was Der Kindestod in the Season 2 ep "Killed By Death." He was just incredibly creepy to me, walking around the hospital and killing children. Now that is freakin scary.

[NCamp]

Originally posted by boogeyman87
Sunday is the female vampire in "the freshman" episode. The season 4 opener. She had that gang of vampires and she kicked Buffy's ass the first time around.

Ah ok, I vaguely remember now.

Yeah Der Kindestod was a freaky ass bad guy.

[Buffy]

Since season 4 was brought up - Buffy the college years... I love the caveman episode (forgot the name) Buffy want beer!!!!!

[LoomisFan4Life]

Originally posted by Buffy
Since season 4 was brought up - Buffy the college years... I love the caveman episode (forgot the name) Buffy want beer!!!!!


yeah that episode was pretty good. It was called "Beer Bad". Actually Josh Whedon considers this one of the worst episodes ever. But I didn't mind it.

[Creepingmouth]

Willow and I find Giles funny too,I'm not a huge fan of that series though

[NCamp]

Funniest thing ever was watching them transform Wesley from a nerdy, weak, push over watcher to bad ass tough demon fighter. It was actually pretty great IMO.

[LoomisFan4Life]

Originally posted by NCamp
Funniest thing ever was watching them transform Wesley from a nerdy, weak, push over watcher to bad ass tough demon fighter. It was actually pretty great IMO.

yeah it is shocking that the Wesley from Buffy Season 3 to to last few seasons of Angel is the same person. It's cool though.

[Buffy]

Wesley was great... I loved him in Angel when he appeared as the Rogue Demon Hunter and so just wanted to work with Angel and Cordy. They developed him right, when he stole Connor and got his throat cut and Angel shunned him he really really got tough. Also Gunn really helped toughen him up too.

[NCamp]

As cool as it was seeing Biker Wesley as th Rouge demon hunter. I was thoroughly distraught when they killed off Doyle. He was a great part of season 1. And it was sad to find out he died in real life, RIP. That was a quick loss to the Angel franchise.

[Buffy]

Originally posted by NCamp
As cool as it was seeing Biker Wesley as th Rouge demon hunter. I was thoroughly distraught when they killed off Doyle. He was a great part of season 1. And it was sad to find out he died in real life, RIP. That was a quick loss to the Angel franchise.

He left the show cause he had a drug addition and disrupted the production. I am sure if he had gotten his act together he would have come back - when Joss likes ya you always come back (look at Darla).

[Miss Informed]

I watched Conversations with Dead people last night. Man, that was kick ass episode. It was cool that they brought the girl back from earlier on in the season. I wish Tara had done it. I understand that she didn't though. She wanted to keep her character pure. I wish they had not killed her off.

[Buffy]

Originally posted by Miss Informed
I watched Conversations with Dead people last night. Man, that was kick ass episode. It was cool that they brought the girl back from earlier on in the season. I wish Tara had done it. I understand that she didn't though. She wanted to keep her character pure. I wish they had not killed her off. ]


Tara didn't come back cause she wanted to much money so they didn't bring her back - she was supposed to make several appearances in the season.

[NCamp]

Originally posted by Buffy
He left the show cause he had a drug addition and disrupted the production. I am sure if he had gotten his act together he would have come back - when Joss likes ya you always come back (look at Darla).

Yeah, its sad it turned out the way it did though. He was a riot on Roseanne as well. Him and Cordy were just about to hit it off too.

Originally posted by Buffy
Tara didn't come back cause she wanted to much money so they didn't bring her back - she was supposed to make several appearances in the season.

That was dumb of her. Its not like she was an important character to the series. She never really had any importance or did anything big. She was just Willows girlfriend.

[The Dark Shape]

Tara was a bit more than that. She turned down the offer to return because she thought it would've been cruel to Willow.

[NCamp]

I dont think the series would have skipped a beat if Tara were never there. She accomplished to things while she was there, Made Willow realize she was a lesbian and two She brought about evil willow with her death. Other than that it was, dont do magic and that about sums it about. Unless I am leaving out any other crucial contributions she brought to the show....

[The Dark Shape]

By that logic, what did Xander ever add to the show besides comic relief? Tara was definitely more crucial than someone like Oz. But it's how much we love the characters, now how much they "do."

[Buffy]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
By that logic, what did Xander ever add to the show besides comic relief? Tara was definitely more crucial than someone like Oz. But it's how much we love the characters, now how much they "do."

What did Xander do? Xander even though he remained human was key in the show. He saved Buffy in season 1. He was Commando guy during that halloween episode and ended up being able to work the weapons of the initiative. He is the reason why we had the musical episode. He saved Willow and the world at the end of season 6. Went undercover in the fish episode to find out what happened to the swim team... in 7 years Xander was a key player, mostly because he was the only human, he grounded Buffy.

[Laow-Z]

Too bad he didn't take part in eating Principal Flutie in the Heyena episode:D I would like to see him live with that for the remainder of the seasons. Could've been many jokes about that everyone could've threw out at him.

[Buffy]

And without Xander - Cordy wouldn't have really developed as a character.

[Miss Informed]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
Tara was a bit more than that. She turned down the offer to return because she thought it would've been cruel to Willow.

I agree with you. like I had stated before she wanted to keep her character pure and good. She didn't want to be a bad character. I don't think she wanted more more money either because I read that she was devasated when they decided to kill her character off. It came out of left field.

[LoomisFan4Life]

yeah I actually heard that Joss was gonna kill of Tara in Season 5, but liked her so much that he waited a season to do it.

[Buffy]

Originally posted by Miss Informed
I agree with you. like I had stated before she wanted to keep her character pure and good. She didn't want to be a bad character. I don't think she wanted more more money either because I read that she was devasated when they decided to kill her character off. It came out of left field.

Trust me she was in contract negotiations and the show didn't have the money she wanted. I do not think any actor would turn down a paying job because "she" wanted to keep the character pure - Amber Benson was never really anything but a recurring role. I liked Tara but Amber wanted a bigger part and be permenant, so they killed her off - I doubt it was personal, just business.

[The Dark Shape]

Not quite. Whedon told Benson that Tara was going to die when they began to film the season. It was hardly "You want a bigger part? You're dead, woman." She didn't want to come back because she didn't like the story they were going with with the character.

[NCamp]

Originally posted by Buffy
What did Xander do? Xander even though he remained human was key in the show. He saved Buffy in season 1. He was Commando guy during that halloween episode and ended up being able to work the weapons of the initiative. He is the reason why we had the musical episode. He saved Willow and the world at the end of season 6. Went undercover in the fish episode to find out what happened to the swim team... in 7 years Xander was a key player, mostly because he was the only human, he grounded Buffy.

Yeah alot more than just comic relief. Oz atleast had growth as a character. He was made a wareworf, and even crossed over to Angel for an episode. He was help and did something. I dont really ever recall Tara being a crucial role in stopping an apocolypse or ever having any real growth as a character. She was always the same

[Miss Informed]

Originally posted by Buffy
Trust me she was in contract negotiations and the show didn't have the money she wanted. I do not think any actor would turn down a paying job because "she" wanted to keep the character pure - Amber Benson was never really anything but a recurring role. I liked Tara but Amber wanted a bigger part and be permenant, so they killed her off - I doubt it was personal, just business.

Oh well doesn't really matter. All I know is that she was really upset when her character was killed off.

[Laow-Z]

Originally posted by NCamp
Yeah alot more than just comic relief. Oz atleast had growth as a character. He was made a wareworf, and even crossed over to Angel for an episode. He was help and did something. I dont really ever recall Tara being a crucial role in stopping an apocolypse or ever having any real growth as a character. She was always the same
Ya know, i thought she was going to be crucial in the finale of 5 or 6 (i think) when Buffy had to sacrifice someone that she loved to prevent the apocalypse. Since Tara was in the "out of her mind" state, i thought Buffy was going to sacrifice her. That would've been a good ending for Tara.

[NCamp]

Was just watching a rerun from season 2 on FX. It was the episode where the ghosts possessed Angel and Buffy and Buffy shot Angel. Anyways when the school gets over run with snakes a guy is talking to Snyder. And Snyder comments that he cant explain stuff for much longer and that they are a hell mouth. The the guy says I was told you could handle this. What were the planning on doing with Snyder and why did they stop? They acted like he didnt know anything the rest of the time, and he wasnt even in on the take over with the mayor at the end of season 3. Dark Shape, Buffy...any answers?

[Laow-Z]

Why ruin it for you?! Watch season 3 when you get a chance;)

[LoomisFan4Life]

They really didn't have any other plans for him, they just wanted to show that he knew what was really going on. Like in the in season 2 when he calls the Mayor and says that she (Buffy) is here. It is just a precursor for season 3.

[Buffy]

I think the Snyders role was to know who Buffy was and not really question things when weird stuff happened. He was also the liason for the mayor - keeping him posted of what was going on. Obviously in the prom episode they made the kids realize things were weird and gave Buffy her award. I think everyone realized weird things happen and Snyder was there not to question, keep people from finding out and spy on Buffy.

[NCamp]

Originally posted by Buffy
I think the Snyders role was to know who Buffy was and not really question things when weird stuff happened. He was also the liason for the mayor - keeping him posted of what was going on. Obviously in the prom episode they made the kids realize things were weird and gave Buffy her award. I think everyone realized weird things happen and Snyder was there not to question, keep people from finding out and spy on Buffy.


Yeah but in the season finale of season 3, Snyder yells at the mayor after he transforms and says he wont have any disruptions. That doesnt seem like he was aware of much. Thats why I was wondering.

[Buffy]

Originally posted by NCamp
Yeah but in the season finale of season 3, Snyder yells at the mayor after he transforms and says he wont have any disruptions. That doesnt seem like he was aware of much. Thats why I was wondering.

True - I am not saying that Snyder was in on every detail he was in on the mayors payroll but not in on his master plan that is evident by graduation day.

[Buffy]

Does anyone watch Charmed? saw Cordy was on the other night and her character was very Cordyish... I caught it on TNT so not sure it was a new one - I am not a big fan of Charmed but it was great to see Charisma on tv again with long hair - she looked great!

[NCamp]

I was hoping hed have some bigger involvement.

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by Buffy
Does anyone watch Charmed? saw Cordy was on the other night and her character was very Cordyish... I caught it on TNT so not sure it was a new one - I am not a big fan of Charmed but it was great to see Charisma on tv again with long hair - she looked great!

Yes i saw it on the WB a few months ago. To me, it was a step down for her. She was back in that cordelia mode with the long hair and attitude. To see her change so much over 8 combined seasons and then to revert back to that is just not my cup of tea.

As for Tara, i always thought of her as the "changee" rather than the "changer". Willow and the rest of the scoobies changed her.They opened her up, Willow showed her love and acceptence. They stood up for her when her family tryed to take her away. So that is why i thought Tara was an important part of the show. She was the example of the good deeds Buffy and rest had done for humanity. :)

[Buffy]

Originally posted by boogeyman87
As for Tara, i always thought of her as the "changee" rather than the "changer". Willow and the rest of the scoobies changed her.They opened her up, Willow showed her love and acceptence. They stood up for her when her family tryed to take her away. So that is why i thought Tara was an important part of the show. She was the example of the good deeds Buffy and rest had done for humanity. :)

Tara was really important in the beginning of season 6 because when Buffy thought she wasn't human she turned to Tara and told her about her and Spike as well. I felt bad when she died but it didn't throw the show off track. I hope if there is a movie - they make Willow straight again and back with Oz, they were a great couple.

[NCamp]

In Angel didnt they say she was off with her girlfriend tracking down potentials though? Im mad Oz was left out of both series finale, he should have had some involvement.

[LoomisFan4Life]

Originally posted by NCamp
In Angel didnt they say she was off with her girlfriend tracking down potentials though? Im mad Oz was left out of both series finale, he should have had some involvement.


I guess Seth Green in Season 4 of Buffy kinda left on bad terms. He wanted to do movies and came back for that one episode, Josh wanted him back for more, and Josh said he kinda screwed them. That said though I am sure if they asked him to come back for the last few episodes he would have. It would have been nice to have his stoic humor back.

[Buffy]

Originally posted by LoomisFan4Life
I guess Seth Green in Season 4 of Buffy kinda left on bad terms. He wanted to do movies and came back for that one episode, Josh wanted him back for more, and Josh said he kinda screwed them. That said though I am sure if they asked him to come back for the last few episodes he would have. It would have been nice to have his stoic humor back.

I have read that Seth and Sara are good friends and Alyson and he are also good friends since childhood (they were in My Stepmother is and Alien together). I hope Joss has him come back in a movie if there is one.

[LoomisFan4Life]

Originally posted by Buffy
I have read that Seth and Sara are good friends and Alyson and he are also good friends since childhood (they were in My Stepmother is and Alien together). I hope Joss has him come back in a movie if there is one.

yeah I hope he is back too. We need him in the movie.

[NCamp]

yeah Oz was "the shit" in season 2. His timing was priceless. It would have been cool if they figured out a way to control Oz in warewolf mode so that he could fight and help out. I was waiting for that to happen.

[LoomisFan4Life]

yeah at the most intense of moments Oz was always there being calm as ever. I loved in season 3 though when Willow was captured by Faith and the mayor and they are discussing whethter or not to destroy the box or save Willow. Oz out of nowhere shatters the thing to destroy it and doesnt say a word. Priceless.

[NCamp]

Who else kinda wanted to see Xander cross over to Angel for an episode like Willow and Oz and interact w/ Cordy in their usual bickering way. That would have been nice.

[#1FreddyFan]

Okay, it goes without saying that I'm a huge fan of the Buffyverse, but there are a few things that still puzzle me. If anyone can answer these questions, I'd greatly appreciate it.

Exactly why does Anya hate bunnies so much? I can't remember ever seeing any kind of actual explanation behind this in any episode

If the vampires can't/don't breathe, then how is it possible for Spike to smoke? Same thing with how/why do vampires appear to be "out of breath" after long bouts of running/fighting?

[The Dark Shape]

1) Never explained, though in the Season 7 episode "Selfless," we curiously learn that Anya actually liked bunnies when she was human.

2)Just whistle and look in the air ;)

[LoomisFan4Life]

In the Halloween episode in season 4, Xander tells Anya to dress like something scary. Anya just shows up in a bunny costume and says that bunnies frighten her...thats the only explanation we get.

[NCamp]

Well we kinda get an explination in season 6 I believe when they do a flash back of when Anya became a demon with her in that hut. And her husband came in with slaughtered bunnies, and if I recall she didnt like the fact that he killed bunnies. So in season 7 at the end when Andrew tells her to think of something happy she says, "Bunnies, hoppy, floppy bunnies." Something like that, so I dont think she hated them.

And as for the whole breathing thing and smoking I dont know. They drink alcohol but cant get drunk so who knows.

[#1FreddyFan]

Originally posted by NCamp
So in season 7 at the end when Andrew tells her to think of something happy she says, "Bunnies, hoppy, floppy bunnies." Something like that, so I dont think she hated them.

Yes, she did hate them. If you look at the expression on her face when she's saying that, you can tell she's imagining herself slaughtering bunnies(to get her courage up for the fight that she ends up dying in).

[#1FreddyFan]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
2)Just whistle and look in the air ;)

You need to have air in your lungs in order to whistle, or to even talk for that matter. So the question still remains, if vamps don't/can't breathe, then how do they even talk, smoke, etc....?

[The Dark Shape]

It could be said that just because they don't normally breathe doesn't mean they can't physically do it.

[LoomisFan4Life]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
It could be said that just because they don't normally breathe doesn't mean they can't physically do it.


yeah that is actually what Joss said about this topic when asked about it.

Its funny though that when Angel is bad he smokes and when he is good he doesn't.

[boogeyman87]

Okay, i've a question that has been bugging me. Which episode is it that Dawn tells Xander that his power is seeing things. Something along those lines, an obvious foreshadow of what was to come of Xanders's eyes. I know its in the last 5 minutes of an episode and in season 7. Can anyone help with this one?

[#1FreddyFan]

Potential

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by #1FreddyFan
Potential

Thanks. :)

[LoomisFan4Life]

yeah that is a great conversation between Dawn and Xander!!!!!!!!

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by LoomisFan4Life
yeah that is a great conversation between Dawn and Xander!!!!!!!!

It was. Xander is the backbone of the gang. The normal guy who see's everything. I liked his character. I wish Buffy could've acknowledged him a bit more , or at least the show could have.

[LoomisFan4Life]

Originally posted by boogeyman87
It was. Xander is the backbone of the gang. The normal guy who see's everything. I liked his character. I wish Buffy could've acknowledged him a bit more , or at least the show could have.


I know I agree. What would the show have been without his sense of humor among his other attributes.

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by LoomisFan4Life
I know I agree. What would the show have been without his sense of humor among his other attributes.

Just a bunch of super heros, witches, wolves, vampires, demons and robots. Xander was the human in Buffy. Someone who grounded her. :)

[boogeyman87]

I've got an interesting topic on my mind right now. Dawn. How many of you guys and girls liked the arrival of Dawn? She is Buffys daughter so to speak. She was made from her blood but they go back and forth between sister sister and mother daughter. She was the key. Any thoughts on little Dawny?

[LoomisFan4Life]

When it first happened I was confused as hell. It was an interesting idea by Joss. At first she annoyed the hell outta me. Always acting like a baby and stuff. But overall I think it was good for the show. It helped Buffy mature alot and they ended up having a pretty good relationship.

[The Dark Shape]

It was the opposite for me -- I liked Dawn when she was introduced, but as her character grew less and less important, she became more annoying.

[boogeyman87]

I'm in the middle of both of those answers. I liked Dawn from the begining and always liked her. I felt bad for her character though. It played the most important role in season 5, then just faded. In potential it looked like she was about to be the next slayer but nope. Thats why she connected so well with Xander and that speach worked so well.

[Buffy]

I am not a Dawn fan, while I think she was great in season 5 and enjoyed her that year, the other 2 seasons with her stunk, it was like they had to figure out what to do with her. I thought she was a brat and pain in the ass.

Heres another question - did anyone ever wonder what the hell happened to Buffys dad when her mom died? It seemed they had a good relationship with him, calls and she spent a summer with him. But why drop him so?

[Laow-Z]

Yea, thats true...what the hell happened to him??? I don't think we saw him after Nightmares (i think that was the episode)

[LoomisFan4Life]

yeah he sent her a card and flowers for her 18th Birthday but that was the last we ever really heard of him. I liked that though, because Buffy and Giles had a great father/daughter relationship then.

[Buffy]

Originally posted by LoomisFan4Life
yeah he sent her a card and flowers for her 18th Birthday but that was the last we ever really heard of him. I liked that though, because Buffy and Giles had a great father/daughter relationship then.

True... Giles was awesome, but they should have done something with the dad, unless..... Season 6 might have explained it when Buffy was in the mental ward in Normal Again and her parents are there and she was in a dream world - that is one of the best written episodes of all Top 5 for me.

[LoomisFan4Life]

Originally posted by Buffy
True... Giles was awesome, but they should have done something with the dad, unless..... Season 6 might have explained it when Buffy was in the mental ward in Normal Again and her parents are there and she was in a dream world - that is one of the best written episodes of all Top 5 for me.


yeah that episode made you think. I mean what if that whole world was just in her imagination. Great episode.

[MeteorMayhem]

Well, I like Angel cause he always makes an intrence and I like Buffy because she can fight.

[LoomisFan4Life]

Anyone with any thoughts/comments on Season 6??? I didn't really like the fact that the big bad was the Triokia and the W