H2 or H4?

[MMyers89]

Ok, a chat between MyersFan75, MyersFan927 (so many MyersFan's) and me sparked my idea for this thread. Ok, H2 and H4 are regarded as the two best Halloween sequels. Well, lets see which one is the best. Do you prefer H2, or H4. Its H4 for me.

[Laow-Z]

I could've swore we had a thread for best sequal but i can't find it.............anyway then, I like H2 the best. Watching H1 & 2 back to back makes for a cool movie cause let's face it at the end of H1 i was like "where the hell did he go??? i gotta see what happened to him!!!"...so H2 for me.

[MMyers89]

Originally posted by Laow-Z
I could've swore we had a thread for best sequal but i can't find it.............anyway then, I like H2 the best. Watching H1 & 2 back to back makes for a cool movie cause let's face it at the end of H1 i was like "where the hell did he go??? i gotta see what happened to him!!!"...so H2 for me.

Well, I know we have a best sequel thread, but I wanted to compare H4 and H2 without any others. It's because they are usually regarded as the best.

[thetodd]

I went with H4 because it was so nice to see Michael Myers back in action after all those years.

[LoomisFan4Life]

Damn what a tough question, I love them both. I will have to go with H2 because it is scarier to me.

[FranchiseHatesMe]

Very good question but I am gonna have to go with H2!

[Loomis 91]

Sequel List (Best To Worst):

1. Halloween II
2. Halloween: H20
3. Halloween 4
4. Halloween 5
5. Halloween: Resurrection
6. Halloween III
7. Halloween: The Curse Of Michael Myers

[Laow-Z]

Originally posted by Loomis 91
Sequel List (Best To Worst):

1. Halloween II
2. Halloween: H20
3. Halloween 4
4. Halloween 5
5. Halloween: Resurrection
6. Halloween III
7. Halloween: The Curse Of Michael Myers
EDIT

[MyersFan75]

Amen.
I don't think Resurrection was better than H6 and even H3 was an ok film.
MMyers89 - what conversation did we have?

Thanks.
:cool:

[urg]

h4 all the way for me. i liked the new direction that the series took when jamie was introduced.

[MMyers89]

Originally posted by MyersFan75
Amen.
I don't think Resurrection was better than H6 and even H3 was an ok film.
MMyers89 - what conversation did we have?

Thanks.
:cool:

Oops, I just noticed I had the conversation with MyersFan927. Lol. Anyways, its in the "Why Scalpel" thread in the H2 forum, if you want to see the mix-up.

EDIT: Now I just noticed that you were in that conversation too, MyersFan75. And it wasn't really a conversation, just a couple of posts about H2 and H4. Too many MyersFan's lol.

[Michaeleon]

Very hard choice, indeed. For me, these two are always borderline for the slot of favorite sequel.

But alas, I'm going with Halloween II. It continues right from the original, we get the creepy confined setting of the hospital, and an effective score. Oh, and we got Nurse Jill- sweet, sweet Nurse Jill. That always tips the scales in my book. :)

[6Michael6Myers6]

HII all the way...then for next best it's a tie between H4 and H20....and then maybe H6, then HR, then H5, then HIII

[ShadowX81]

I really do like them both. They both have the same kind of feel to them to. How the cops are all going around town looking for michael and how the whole town is scared. I really love that. Since h4 has more of that im gonna go with that one. Plus it has more of a halloween feel to me. And I really hate the theme to h2.

[MyersFan927]

Awesome thread, MMyers89...and I must compliment your new avatar. A spooky green glow on Mikey...but what's up with his hair? :p

Well, most of you already know my sentiments on this subject. As I've already written in the Scalpel thread, HII takes my vote. Both 2 and 4 are powerful sequels, the best two in the series, with excellent musical scores, well-developed characters and storylines, plenty of horror and memorable moments, etc. But basically, I feel as if there is a creepier feel in HII - a gloomier and darker atmosphere, above all. Also, I prefer the early 80s feel of the movie, which inspired the electronic score and even specific uses of shadows and color that contributes to the general feel of the movie. There are a few other reasons on why I feel HII is the better sequel, but they're difficult for me to explain, and you pretty much get the point.

[MMyers89]

Originally posted by MyersFan927
Awesome thread, MMyers89...and I must compliment your new avatar. A spooky green glow on Mikey...but what's up with his hair? :p



You know, I really don't know what happened to his hair lol. I guees it must have gotten messed up in all the color changes. It does look very weird. I guess it just adds to his psychedelicness.:D

[King Sly Joker]

Both of these movies are champs,you cant go wrong with either.I go with H2,strictly because it continues where Halloween left off.This movie answers many questions.Plus with the dark gloom it has and the slowed down Michael.It just ranks as the best..

[boogeyman87]

Well, Halloween II was the better sequel to me. It picked up right away which I like. No need to really introduce characters, establish heartbreak or the situation. It was the first movie's predicament escalating to the tenth degree. Not to mention the kills, the location and the music. Halloween 4 by no means fall short of those requirements but when comparing the two, H4 just cant compete.


Originally posted by MMyers89
You know, I really don't know what happened to his hair lol. I guees it must have gotten messed up in all the color changes. It does look very weird. I guess it just adds to his psychedelicness.:D


I feel like I'm on acid when I look at your avatar.

[wallygatorca]

Looks like the thread starter is gonna lose this one.

H4 was just plain cheesier...

[H-field Hero]

Originally posted by wallygatorca
Looks like the thread starter is gonna lose this one.Eh, I can think of several members off the top of my head who would pick Halloween 4 in a heart beat. They just haven't voted yet or they've quite possibly become tired of answering the same question.

I feel like a total broken record by saying this again, but alas it's what the thread calls for. For me, they are a tie. I've tried many times to pick one over the other, but I simply can't. I love halloweens II and 4 on an equal level. In fact the trilogy of Halloween, Halloween II, and Halloween 4 is, IMO, the best of the series.

[hall0weendream]

I had to go with HII. I love both of the both. They are also a tie in my book, but I choose to pick HII because it does continue from the first film. I also feel it had the pure Halloween feeling because John and Debra were behind it. Very hard to choose, but I did. :)

[H-field Hero]

Originally posted by hall0weendream
They are also a tie in my book, but I choose to pick HII because it does continue from the first film.If you chose H2, they're not a tie are they? ;)

[Slab]

I go with H2 in this case. H4 is a good movie, but it just doesn't have the same feel of the first three for me. I just think 2 is a lot more tense, and the fact that it "feels" right seals the deal. :)

[hall0weendream]

Originally posted by H-field Hero
If you chose H2, they're not a tie are they? ;)

Shhh, it's late, haha. :D

[theevilisgone44]

Although H2 is entertaining and the hilarious Dr. Loomis qoutes are plentiful, I suppose I like H4 better since Michael returns after a 10 year hiatus with a new and improved storyline.

[gerry d]

It's got to be Halloween 2 for me.

1.Picks up where Halloween ended

2.Some great characters in this movie

3.Dick Warlock portrayal of Michael Myers is classic.From the creepy walk to the murders.

4.The first Halloween movie to show us how evil Michael Myers can really be & the sequals that followed this copied this style.

cheers

[The Dark Shape]

4. Halloween II is trash for 75 minutes of its runtime.

[FranchiseHatesMe]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
4. Halloween II is trash for 75 minutes of its runtime. :: Gerry and ICP jump Dark Shape in an dark alley :: ;)

[The Dark Shape]

Bring it. I'll tear Halloween II a new one, from its script to its casting to its actual exocution :)

[Cruel Intentions]

I gotta go with Halloween 2. Picks up right after the classic left off!!

[King Sly Joker]

Originally posted by H-field Hero
Eh, I can think of several members off the top of my head who would pick Halloween 4 in a heart beat. They just haven't voted yet or they've quite possibly become tired of answering the same question.

I feel like a total broken record by saying this again, but alas it's what the thread calls for. For me, they are a tie. I've tried many times to pick one over the other, but I simply can't. I love halloweens II and 4 on an equal level. In fact the trilogy of Halloween, Halloween II, and Halloween 4 is, IMO, the best of the series.

Yeah,I figured you would say a tie.You have stated many many times before why.I dont agree when others call 4 cheezy.Because really,it brought the series back to life..

[The Dark Shape]

...not to mention had a storyline and characters, which was a nice change of pace...

[Dangertainment]

Halloween 2 hands down.

[King Sly Joker]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
...not to mention had a storyline and characters, which was a nice change of pace...

True,the new fresh faces and plot were a bonus.Its not as bad of a storyline as some would say..

[shrike]

h4 had a magnificent storyline.

the only thing i didnt like about that movie was the dam mask.

it looked horrible

[King Sly Joker]

Originally posted by shrike
h4 had a magnificent storyline.

the only thing i didnt like about that movie was the dam mask.

it looked horrible

That seems to be the case most of the time..

[gerry d]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
4. Halloween II is trash for 75 minutes of its runtime.

I'd rather take 75mins of Halloween II over any Halloween movie any day.

cheers

[Jeanette]

Originally posted by gerry d
I'd rather take 75mins of Halloween II over any Halloween movie any day.

cheers

You tell em gerry ;)

[Haunted418.com]

We'll definitely have to go with Halloween II. The first half of Halloween II is a fantastic continuation of the orginal Halloween. The second half is also pretty acceptable.

[ThirtySomething]

I go with H4 … for its revival of the series, and for the introduction of two new solid main characters (Rachel & Jamie) that built on/carried on what was established in the original/H2. Maybe it's an obvious point, but I think one of H4's greatest accomplishments is/was the strength of new characters that were created in the tradition of the strength(s) of the originals. That is, generally, hard to do - and do well - with sequels (especially the further on down the line the sequel appears in the overall series).

[King Sly Joker]

Originally posted by gerry d
I'd rather take 75mins of Halloween II over any Halloween movie any day.

cheers

No doubt.Some other films in this series.Dont hold a flame to H2..

[Remicis]

H4 trounces H2 for me. I love the plot, the characters, the atmosphere, the music, and, well...that's more than I love about H2. While it had good atmosphere and a few good characters, it was largely slow, poorly paced, and thin on story and development. I just feel more could've been done with it. But my complaints about H4 are minimal.

[Demonswrath]

Originally posted by Remicis
H4 trounces H2 for me. I love the plot, the characters, the atmosphere, the music, and, well...that's more than I love about H2. While it had good atmosphere and a few good characters, it was largely slow, poorly paced, and thin on story and development. I just feel more could've been done with it. But my complaints about H4 are minimal.

Ouch!

I don't think it was that bad, but I do see your point thinking about the film in retrospect. H4 did kick ass in putting you in the MidWest. It looks just like anyplace here in Indiana. H2 was a good sequel, but H4 was just a better film over all. Like it was said many times before, they could have found a better mask though.

[FranchiseHatesMe]

Originally posted by Remicis
H4 trounces H2 for me. I love the plot, the characters, the atmosphere, the music, and, well...that's more than I love about H2. While it had good atmosphere and a few good characters, it was largely slow, poorly paced, and thin on story and development. I just feel more could've been done with it. But my complaints about H4 are minimal. That is pretty mean ruthless stuff there old Rem. Ture but none of the less ruthless.

[King Sly Joker]

Originally posted by Remicis
H4 trounces H2 for me. I love the plot, the characters, the atmosphere, the music, and, well...that's more than I love about H2. While it had good atmosphere and a few good characters, it was largely slow, poorly paced, and thin on story and development. I just feel more could've been done with it. But my complaints about H4 are minimal.

Come on now Iceman.H2 cant be that bad.Im sure the pace could have been faster.But not to bad of a movie..

[gerry d]

Originally posted by King Sly Joker
No doubt.Some other films in this series.Dont hold a flame to H2..

All the other films in my opinion are no where as good as Halloween II. Yeah that does include Halloween.Some members if not all of you think i'm crazy for saying that.At the end of the day i'm just being honest.

cheers

[rabbitinred666]

i do love h2 but it still isnt quite as good as the original. I do like it more than 4 though. hince my voting for h2

[King Sly Joker]

Originally posted by gerry d
All the other films in my opinion are no where as good as Halloween II. Yeah that does include Halloween.Some members if not all of you think i'm crazy for saying that.At the end of the day i'm just being honest.

cheers

Well that makes two of us.I like Halloween,but H2 just out did it for me..

[Remicis]

Originally posted by Demonswrath
Ouch!

I don't think it was that bad, but I do see your point thinking about the film in retrospect. H4 did kick ass in putting you in the MidWest. It looks just like anyplace here in Indiana. H2 was a good sequel, but H4 was just a better film over all. Like it was said many times before, they could have found a better mask though.

Originally posted by icparenumber1
That is pretty mean ruthless stuff there old Rem. Ture but none of the less ruthless.

Originally posted by King Sly Joker
Come on now Iceman.H2 cant be that bad.Im sure the pace could have been faster.But not to bad of a movie..

LOL Okay, so that was harshly worded, but I don't hate H2 or think it's a bad movie. Not by any means. I was just being honest about the flaws I see with it. As far as characters, while an effort was made with a few, none of the hospital staff really leave a lasting impression. I had to watch the movie several times just to remember all their names and get down who was who. And having Laurie doesn't add much since she's in a doped up stupor for most of the film's duration. Matter of fact, other than some creepy atmosphere and visuals, that whole half of the movie doesn't have a lot to offer for me. It's not even telling any kind of story, really. It's just stalling until it's time for Michael to start knocking people off. The good stuff here comes mostly from Loomis's side of things. I liked most everything with him, Deputy Hunt, and the ongoing manhunt.

Again, not a bad movie. I just don't praise it as highly as most. It's still right behind my beloved "middle trilogy" in my list of favorites, though.;)

[MyersFan927]

Critics usually praise H4 in reviews and have less than kind words for HII. They believe that it was a cheap rehash of the original in which Laurie, the heroine, is reduced to a helpless victim in a bed, while everything else going on is slow-paced and uninteresting. H4, they explain, is a fresh revival of the series with better characters and an all around solid storyline that competes with the original. I don't agree with most of the things they write about these two movies, but understand their perspective.

[King Sly Joker]

Originally posted by MyersFan927
Critics usually praise H4 in reviews and have less than kind words for HII. They believe that it was a cheap rehash of the original in which Laurie, the heroine, is reduced to a helpless victim in a bed, while everything else going on is slow-paced and uninteresting. H4, they explain, is a fresh revival of the series with better characters and an all around solid storyline that competes with the original. I don't agree with most of the things they write about these two movies, but understand their perspective.

I can understand that and the Iceman's response.It could lack in some's view.I have even read where one person said it had 'pop up people " in it.Its one those movies that can tilt on any side of the fence.I just happen to find it most entertaining..:p

[6Michael6Myers6]

Originally posted by King Sly Joker
No doubt.Some other films in this series.Dont hold a flame to H2..

I disagree...as i have expressed in other threads...I think H20 could rival it...but that's just my opinion...

[King Sly Joker]

Originally posted by 6Michael6Myers6
I disagree...as i have expressed in other threads...I think H20 could rival it...but that's just my opinion...

I doubt that.Many hate the H20 chapter.Because the hunter becomes the hunted.And the whole cali thing..

[6Michael6Myers6]

Originally posted by King Sly Joker
I doubt that.Many hate the H20 chapter.Because the hunter becomes the hunted.And the whole cali thing..

ah...oh well...its just my opinion...i liked that sagourney weaver moment, and the peppered halloween theme playing...it sent chills through me...finally laurie was living down her fears and facing her 'monster'...

[Demonswrath]

I would say the only one that could compare to me is H6. It had great characters, a good story, and a brutal Michael Myers. I like the fact that they brought the origins of Halloween into the film series in a certain way, speaking of it's power and magic. Some people really don't know why we celebrate this holiday. They just go along with it.

[MMyers89]

I'll post my reasons for liking H4 better since I didn't before:

It starts with a new story and characters, but is still connected to the first films. It has a great feeling like the original but is still fresh, the music is great and so is the atmosphere. Michael looks a little strange at times but he was big and imposing. I just like the story and film better all around. H2 was very good though.

[King Sly Joker]

Originally posted by 6Michael6Myers6
ah...oh well...its just my opinion...i liked that sagourney weaver moment, and the peppered halloween theme playing...it sent chills through me...finally laurie was living down her fears and facing her 'monster'...

We all are granted our opinion's.Im in no way bashing yours at all.I just cant add H20,to the big three..:o

[SonOSam]

Halloween 2 for me. H4 is among my favorite though. Although, H4 has elements of both H1 and H2. Such as the day time leading up to the scary Halloween night.

H2: has in my view a better and more sinister sound than H4.
Just scarier. The mask in my view is wicked, scarier, creepier in H2 than H4(but i do like mask in H4)

[SonOSam]

Also, although H4 is among my fav. Halloweens it does have some "issues" like when the cop car pulls out of driveway and the parents pull right in not noticing, "hey, a cop car pulled out of our driveway." Not a big deal, but little things like that make H2 at least a little better to me. H2 seems to keep better track of Michael's wherabouts. Like in tha plaza etc. girl tells friend she's giving a ride home that it'll take certain minutes to drive here and there giving a time frame establishing how long to get to hospital. Michael walked there and we see him in mirror of car....makes sense because she took longer due to driving friend home. H2 just seems to have more details, scarier images, and it has both DP and JLC AND written by Carpenter/Hill. H4 is great, but H2 is better. To me anyway. I have hope that H9 could be ranked along w/ H2, H4, and H20, as the best installments.

"You don't know what death is." H2

[wallygatorca]

Originally posted by SonOSam
Also, although H4 is among my fav. Halloweens it does have some "issues" like when the cop car pulls out of driveway and the parents pull right in not noticing, "hey, a cop car pulled out of our driveway."

Or when the little girl just vanishes (can't be found) into thin air while trick-or-treating? It seemed as though she was at Disneyland or a crowded mall, etc. Very Lame...

[MichaelMyers]

I voted H2 because it is a close to being the best other than the original.

[MMyers89]

Originally posted by wallygatorca
Or when the little girl just vanishes (can't be found) into thin air while trick-or-treating? It seemed as though she was at Disneyland or a crowded mall, etc. Very Lame...

Jamie did wander pretty far from Rachel, I think it is very possible that it would be hard to find her late at night in the neighborhood when it is dark out

[C_Bone]

Halloween IV Hands down

Now i like HII alot, it's just that i find it to be the most boring out of ALL the movies therefore i prefer Halloween IV

[NeewollaH]

HalloweeN II. There's just something about H4. I don't know. I just don't watch it as much as the others. And I never get tried of watching H2. So I guess H2 takes the prize.

[SonOSam]

Originally posted by ThirtySomething
I go with H4 … for its revival of the series, and for the introduction of two new solid main characters (Rachel & Jamie) that built on/carried on what was established in the original/H2. Maybe it's an obvious point, but I think one of H4's greatest accomplishments is/was the strength of new characters that were created in the tradition of the strength(s) of the originals. That is, generally, hard to do - and do well - with sequels (especially the further on down the line the sequel appears in the overall series).

I agree. I still prefer 2 though. Kubrick's The Shining is awesome too. King should stick to just writing books and leave screenwriting to screenwriters.

[thetodd]

I go with H4 because it was a slam dunk sequel that got the series going again. H2 and H4 were both very good additions to the series and excellent compliments to the original, though.

[complete]

Originally posted by thetodd
I went with H4 because it was so nice to see Michael Myers back in action after all those years.

Agreed.

I prefer H4, only by a bit though, because H2 rules. I just love the fact that he's after his neice, a little GIRL. A child. Plus, Rachel, Dr. Loomis seeming to be around more than in H2 with the characters, Sheriff Meeker etc.

[MMyers89]

One thing that kind of bothers me about H2, is that it has that early 80's cheesiness to it. The editing, the music, it just seems awkward (sp?) to me. I dunno, like the editing when he kills Alice, and the music, just a little corny. But I do love it, and it is my favorite AFTER my fave 3 (H1, H4, and H5)

[Nightmare13]

Today my Mum was ill (tonsillitis), so my Dad didn't want me and brother to make any noise, so we watched Halloween 4 in the living room (the DVD players working again, I have one so It doesn't matter, oops, going off-topic...), and I can say it's better than Halloween 2.

It has the greatest, and eeriest opening credits EVER! The music in this is the best of the series, the mask isn't as cheesy as Halloween 5 and Curse Of..., and the acting is great. My Dad was even getting in to it, and he thinks horror movies are the biggest load of crap! I was taking the mick out of him, so I told him "how it ended", it included loads of poo. :rolleyes:

[complete]

lol. Hope your mum gets better.

And my brother was the same. I got him into Halloween 4. Only Halloween 4.

Anfd nice sig; Andrew: We're just supposed to sit around waiting for Sabrina to show up and disembowel us?

[Nightmare13]

My Dad, not my brother! My brother seems to only like Halloween 6. :rolleyes:

[ironman7845]

Originally posted by Nightmare13
My brother seems to only like Halloween 6. :rolleyes:

Tsk, tsk, tsk. :rolleyes:

[Nightmare13]

:p

[ten31]

I enjoy Halloween 4 more than I do H2. Both are great flicks but H4 has the same feel as H1 to me. It has great atmosphere, great acting and some decent kills. Like I've mentioned before the opening sequence for H4 is amazing. It creates the perfect Halloween/fall atmosphere.

[ironman7845]

This was hard. I voted H2 just because it picks up right from the H1 and makes a great sequal. Otherwise H4 is my next favorite.

[complete]

Originally posted by Nightmare13
My Dad, not my brother! My brother seems to only like Halloween 6. :rolleyes:

lol, I knew you meant your dad. I worded my sentence wrong. I should have added 'as your dad' onto 'And my brother was the same', then you'd of gotten it:p

And ten31, H4 opening is the best for me. I love it. Makes a great atmosphere. It's what also pulled it over H2 for me.

[Nightmare13]

Aah, I get you.

Yeah, I agree, the opening titles of Halloween 4 are great, I hope they do this in Halloween 9. They could expand, like how Halloween 2 has nearly the same opening titles as the original, but then the pumpkin splits. :)

[complete]

lol. Cool, cool.

Yeah, the title sequence for Halloween 9 should be thought out. Maybe have similar thing as H4, but also include a pumpkin. Maybe somehow have it at the end, grinning at us... I was gonna say smashed apart, but that happened in H5, lol.

[MMyers89]

thought I'd resurrect this, to see more results, now that there is many many more members...

[MyersFan75]

Originally posted by MMyers89
Oops, I just noticed I had the conversation with MyersFan927. Lol. Anyways, its in the "Why Scalpel" thread in the H2 forum, if you want to see the mix-up.

EDIT: Now I just noticed that you were in that conversation too, MyersFan75. And it wasn't really a conversation, just a couple of posts about H2 and H4. Too many MyersFan's lol.

There seriously is - if you look at the members section and go to the 3rd or 4th page of "M" names there are about 15 diff. MyersFans!!

Anyways, I do remember taking part in that conversation and I would have to go w/ H4 because of it's new direction storywise.
It's atmosphere was also great.

This poll is honestly VERY difficult to vote on because these two films ARE my two favorite sequels.

[slasherfan]

I really like them both, but I have to go with H2. I always liked the hospitol setting.

[Nightmareman88]

This is a hard question, H2 and H4 is defenty the best sequels in the franchise, H2 is great and watchabal but H4 was the first sequel I liked

first I saw the orignal Halloween on TV then I rented HR on DVD then saw H2O on TV and then bought H4 on DVD and well I loved it so I have to go with H4 at this one

[daxriggz]

As much as I loved 2, I'd have to say 4 is my favorite of the 2.

[LegendKiller]

This one was tough but the deciding factor for me was i prefer to watch Halloween 1 and 2 on Halloween,i look forward to watching those more when im handing out/eating candy

[DarknessBDJM]

4, definitely. Just watched it again the other night (I try to watch certain horror movies sparsely in a year now maybe 2 times for some of my favorites, because it saves the impact) and it held up better than I remembered from my last full viewing of it.
I forgot how much blue lighting they used (well I do have my hdtv set for darker blue lighting and to accentuate blues). It really captured a lot of the atmosphere from the original. The only flubs were Loomis saying MM was buried in hell after all that talk throughout the movie of him not being able to die (maybe it was not a direct meaning, as in he was literally buried in a sort of hell under the ground where he belongs, though not dead, but hard to dig his way out of), that and the love triangle. I could have seriously done without it, and it was the main factor that hurt the film. If they did away with Kelly Meeker, and maybe even Brady, besides having him as a talked about character, like Paul in H1, then it would have been a much better film.

I think H2 gets the acclaim it does mainly due to Carpenter writing and producing, c-scoring it, and directing a few segments. Hill co-writing. Having some cast members of H1. Taking place on the same night as H1. Having some principle H1 crew members like Cundey. And Dick Warlock being a fan favorite and overall nice guy to the Halloween fan community. It has a good Carpenter/Howarth soundtrack (a better main Halloween theme than 4), a better mask than H4, and Warlock has some MM mannerisms and movements better than H4 Wilbur. It didn't have the same atmosphere and feel that made the original great. Part of that was due to Carpenter not wanting to make it and not really caring about it.

H2's popularity runs moreso on association than quality.
H4's runs on quality moreso than association.

[Demonswrath]

H4.

I must say that it had a great story. H2 was great for story and continuing what the first had started. It is an immortal classic film.

Yet, H4 was better as far as sequels go because it was so well done. The atmosphere was amazingly done and so were the character with the story. It almost stands as a model for Halloween films for me in a way. I hope more are like it in many ways.

[scream_sayonara]

For me it's easily H4. I don't really regard H2 as that good. I thought while H4 had a GREAT script and added new characters while sustaining other old ones and really made it work, I thought H2 was just all gore and little story. I especially love how in H4 they involved the citizens of Haddonfield and added another dimension to how Myers effected the town. Even though alot of people don't like Halloween 5, I thought it was the 2nd best sequel (after H4 of course)....my only problem with H5 is the early ridding of Rachel. Anyways, I loved H4 and heres my list of favorite Halloweens in order:

1. Halloween 4
2. Halloween
3. Halloween 5
4. Halloween H20
5. Halloween 2
6. Halloween 6
7. Halloween 3 Season of the Witch
8. Ressurection


(didnt include Season of the Witch)

[TheShape2005]

I read over most everybody's posts and I see a lot of good points! HalloweeN 4 was really cool for the fact it had new faces and a new storyline to Follow!

but for me I like HalloweeN II better because it's the same night as the first I like the Idea of The Shape Stalking the hallways of the Hospital and I just love the feel that the music and the tone of the movie sets!

don't get me wrong HalloweeN 4 has vary good tone and a vary good creepy score to it! is vary close behind H2 as the next in line for best Sequel! but for me it's HalloweeN II, More of the Night He Came home. Hands Down!

[Johnathon]

Halloween 4. I watched the entire thing of Halloween 4. When I first watched Halloween II, it was like 12:00 midnight, and I was like seven, so I haven't finished the entire thing until I was like 10. Whenever I went to rent it, it wasn't at the video store and it was never on T.V. When I first watched Halloween 4, I watched the whole thing, and the beginning between Jamie and Michael scared the crap outta me.

[myersRUNNER2]

This was a hard decision for me because they are 2 great sequels and i love them both. But i had to say H4 because ive always like H4 and it has that Fall feeling to it for some reason. H2 doesnt seem as fally if you know what i mean?

[Mr.Garrett81]

H2 all the way, but I have to go back to my classic arguement that h2 really isnt a sequel. H2 is a continuation. Now H4 was a sequel and was by far the best sequel ever made.

[Dr_Loomis02]

Hmmmmmmmmmm......
I'm at a loss here. I can't decide!
I guess 2...yes, 2.
But damn it! 4 rocks also!

[fatbob]

Definetly 4. More scares, better story, Jaime, rooftop chase, amazing ending, I could go on. II is good but it gets kinda boring at parts and the connection between Laurie and Michael was so increadable lame almost ruined him for me. Lots of people say the mask was terrible in 4 but it still is scary to a degree, and I have always hated the mask in II dont see why soo many people kiss its ass. Theres my 2 cents.

[halo thirty one]

wow, i thought i posted in this thread before. i'm also going with halloween 4. the only thing that halloween 2 mght have that is better than 4 is the mask. everything else; story, acting, pacing etc. is just not as good. oops, wait, i'll give dean cundey's cinematography the edge in this also, as i prefer the wider of the two aspect ratios.

H1, H4, H20, H2, H3, H6, H8, H5

[fatbob]

Originally posted by Mr.Garrett81
H2 all the way, but I have to go back to my classic arguement that h2 really isnt a sequel. H2 is a continuation. Now H4 was a sequel and was by far the best sequel ever made.

Well the defenition of a sequal is continuation of an on going story.

[TheShape2005]

Originally posted by fatbob
Well the defenition of a sequal is continuation of an on going story.

I agree, and making money off the same idea! ;)

[Frazetta]

I voted for H2 as the 1st 2 Halloween movies are all time classics imo although H4 is a great return to the Michael Myers Halloween it just doesnt come close for me to H2 in terms of horror,suspense or acting

[horror83]

Halloween 2 for sure for afew reasons Rick Rosenthal and i love the 80s style and it was a classic i wish Haloween 9 would go for that style instead of all the blood and Gory in the previous films

[sam loomis421]

h2 for sure

[King Sly Joker]

The diehard H2 fan.That,I am now in time its almost a tie.Both are powerful sequals in their own rights.I just happen to watch H2 more..

[The Dark Shape]

H4: I prefer a little story with my splatter.

[scream_sayonara]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
I prefer a little story with my splatter.
Yep, exactly my thoughts

[ILoveHalloween3]

I love both of them, and do think they are among the stronger sequels to the original, but I think easily easily easily, "Halloween II" is the best 'Myers' sequel. I mean, even tho Rosenthal directed it, it still has the 'Carpenter'-touch to it & atmosphere, so I think it's obvious the 'truest' direct-sequel to the original film.

Hey, and it's also a very very good film! :) lol ...

[scream_sayonara]

While H2 was good, it was pretty much just the original in a hospital, which isnt bad, just kinda unoriginal. H4 had, by far, the best and most elaborate plot, and the best acting, great character development, and better surprises.
And also, while H2 had one good actress who we saw alot of (Jamie Lee Curtis), H4 gave us 3 great acting performances: Ellie Cornell, Danielle Harris, and Donald Pleasance.
In H2 most of the movief features Laurie's view of Michael, while in H4 we get 4 dimensions/views: Michael's obsessed doctor, his niece whos already having dreams of him and is terrified, the bewildered yet brave fostersister/babysitter, and the revengeful citizens of Haddonfield. And it had the most stunning ending.

Plus, it ranks very high on the Loomis-o-meter. The more Donald Pleasance, the better the film.

[King Sly Joker]

Saying H4 was better isnt hard.I mean they had what 7 years to create a kickass storyline.Its still hard to say, one is better than the other.Each movie is a superior viewing,just in different ways..

[scream_sayonara]

Originally posted by King Sly Joker
Saying H4 was better isnt hard.I mean they had what 7 years to create a kickass storyline.Its still hard to say, one is better than the other.Each movie is a superior viewing,just in different ways..
I agree, that they had ample time, since everyone thought Michael was dead. But, then again, it took them 6 years to release the H6 T-Cut, and I hated that one.

[King Sly Joker]

Originally posted by scream_sayonara
I agree, that they had ample time, since everyone thought Michael was dead. But, then again, it took them 6 years to release the H6 T-Cut, and I hated that one.

H6 had no direction the T-cut that is.Thank god there was a P-cut laying around.To erase all the confused memories H6 put out..

[ILoveHalloween3]

Well as far as actual sequels go, I thought "H3" was the best.

As far as Myers sequels go (which is the majority, I know), I do see was Scream is saying. "H2" is really just a direct-continuation of the original. Kind of like a 2-part episode of a TV show. It's really the same episode, just broken into halves.

As far as 'Myers' sequels go, officially, yes, "H4" was the best & closest to the original. Unofficially, it'd be the "H6: P-Cut", THAT was the truest sequel to the original, meaning first two films.

JMO

[Gooch72]

Halloween 2...pretty much an extension of the original so I think it's nearly as good.

[The Dark Shape]

So the fact H2 has inferior writing, directing, and acting doesn't matter to people, as long as it takes place on the same night?

[sam loomis421]

h2 was the better film hands down

[MyersFan927]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
So the fact H2 has inferior writing, directing, and acting doesn't matter to people, as long as it takes place on the same night?

They *all* have inferior writing, directing, and maybe even acting in comparison to the original. I'm not sure if you're comparing this one to H4 though. BTW, I don't think 2 has any of those problems.

[King Sly Joker]

I remember debating H2 back in the day.When somebody said it only had "pop up people" in it classic..

[scream_sayonara]

This can be debated forever, it just depends on how you like your horror movies.
*H2 had more suspense, a high body count, and alot of gore.

*H4 had alot better character development, probably better acting, and the much more superior plot

[King Sly Joker]

Originally posted by scream_sayonara
This can be debated forever, it just depends on how you like your horror movies.
*H2 had more suspense, a high body count, and alot of gore.

*H4 had alot better character development, probably better acting, and the much more superior plot

Any movie can have a superior plot,if you have 7 years to develope.My bad no you cant look at H5..

[sam loomis421]

yeah h5 sucked and h4 was great but i think most fans think 2 was the better film although 4 was damn good

[The Dark Shape]

Originally posted by King Sly Joker
Any movie can have a superior plot,if you have 7 years to develope.My bad no you cant look at H5..

Well, it helps when your writer isn't bored out of his mind and working solely for a paycheck, like Carpenter was. McElroy had a week to fashion a workable draft of the script. I have his first draft -- there are differences, but it's basically what ended up on screen in 1988.

So Carpenter had more time to write his disappointment because he wasn't dealing with a WGA strike. It's all about the interest in the project; McElroy had it, Carpenter didn't.

[sam loomis421]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
Well, it helps when your writer isn't bored out of his mind and working solely for a paycheck, like Carpenter was. even though he was h2 was a great film some say the best horror sequel of all time it was the first slasher sequel

[King Sly Joker]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
Well, it helps when your writer isn't bored out of his mind and working solely for a paycheck, like Carpenter was.

Pop up people strikes again lol. .Many things can be debated.I still stand firm in saying they couldnt bombed at H4.They had plenty of time ,to create a masterpiece..

[The Dark Shape]

They had just as much time to fashion Halloween 6, and it was terrible. Time has nothing to do with it. Three years is a hell of a long time to make a movie -- especially a 90 minute sequel cashing in on Friday the 13th. Hell, give me two weeks and I can put out a script that's at least on the same level as the Halloween II shooting script.

And if you won't listen to me, just ask 'ol Johnny.

[King Sly Joker]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
They had just as much time to fashion Halloween 6, and it was terrible. Time has nothing to do with it. Three years is a hell of a long time to make a movie -- especially a 90 minute sequel cashing in on Friday the 13th. Hell, give me two weeks and I can put out a script that's at least on the same level as the Halloween II shooting script.

I just cant win,waves white flag debating you...:)

[MyersFan927]

Originally posted by King Sly Joker
Any movie can have a superior plot,if you have 7 years to develope.My bad no you cant look at H5..

Time has nothing to do with the quality of how the movie will be..and I don't think H4 got off the ground until 1986. So that's more like two years. Less than how long it took to concoct H:R.

[sam loomis421]

h2 script was rather weak even john and debra say that laurie was confined to a hospital bed within the first 30 min but still h2 seeems more genuine and original h2 wins

[The Dark Shape]

Originally posted by King Sly Joker
I just cant win,waves white flag debating you...:)

The fact I argue night and day with a pre-law debate champ has hardened me and made me more stubborn than usual. I apologize.

[MyersFan927]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
They had just as much time to fashion Halloween 6, and it was terrible. Time has nothing to do with it. Three years is a hell of a long time to make a movie -- especially a 90 minute sequel cashing in on Friday the 13th. Hell, give me two weeks and I can put out a script that's at least on the same level as the Halloween II shooting script.

Ah, you beat me to the punch ;)

[sam loomis421]

good discussion guys real clean and fruitful

[scream_sayonara]

You get so many more point of views in H4 than in H2. In H2 we barely see Loomis, so the main view we get is

*the confused and terrified teenager in Laurie...



BUT in H4, we get 4 views on Michaels reign of terror.

*We get to see the niece that gets teased about her uncle and has dreams about him
*We get the view of the bewildered and brave babysitter/fostersister.
*The view of Michaels doctor, who's crazed, obsessed, burnt, and limp.
*And most interesting of all we get the view of teh citizens/beer-bellies of Haddonfield who are bitter about the happenings of the same day 10 years earlier

thats the main reason why I separate H4 from the others

[sam loomis421]

lets just say they are equal

[MMyers89]

Originally posted by sam loomis421
lets just say they are equal

lets not.

[scream_sayonara]

Originally posted by sam loomis421
lets just say they are equal
I refuse....Ive never compared H2 to H4, let alone call them equal.
;)
I see why people like H2, but Ive never liked it as much as H4 or H1....i put it in a 2way tie with H5 for 3rd...but I havent seen H5 in a few months so....

[sam loomis421]

well one for sure is h1 was the best

[The Dark Shape]

Halloween II's on a Resurrection level for me. They're both essentially gore flicks, though 2 edges 8 out for the mere fact it has Loomis.

[sam loomis421]

2 compared to 8 thats just ludacris man and even though i respect your comments its one of the lamest i have heard on here ever

[MMyers89]

Originally posted by sam loomis421
2 compared to 8 thats just ludacris man and even though i respect your comments its one of the lamest i have heard on here ever

K, his opinion isn't lame even though it is wrong (just kidding:D )

But, I can't even compare H2 to H8. H2, while it may lack the depth of H1, and even H4, it was an oldschool Halloween feel to it. It has a story, even though it is more focused on gore. Myers still seems mysterious even though we see a little more of him. In H8 there is no atmosphere, the story blows, there's Busta, and Myers doesn't seem evil and mysterious. I think H2 blows H8 outta the water.

[scream_sayonara]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
Halloween II's on a Resurrection level for me. They're both essentially gore flicks, though 2 edges 8 out for the mere fact it has Loomis.
I wouldnt go as far as compared to HR, but i agree that H2 offered no more than what we are accustomed to NOW, in this age. H4 is still a great flick, because it has a great story and good characters. H2 is just blood and screaming, which we see all teh time now.

[King Sly Joker]

Originally posted by scream_sayonara
I refuse....Ive never compared H2 to H4, let alone call them equal.
;)
I see why people like H2, but Ive never liked it as much as H4 or H1....i put it in a 2way tie with H5 for 3rd...but I havent seen H5 in a few months so....

Well you going to have two factions.One people who follow the guidelines of H2,and dont even believe H4 exist in the storyline.And the boomers of the H4-6 wave,so debating the superior one .Will go on for ages..

[scream_sayonara]

Originally posted by King Sly Joker
Well you going to have two factions.One people who follow the guidelines of H2,and dont even believe H4 exist in the storyline.And the boomers of the H4-6 wave,so debating the superior one .Will go on for ages..
well as you see, by my banner, Im a H4-H6 guy, even though H6 wasnt very good.:)
But, I DO insist that 4-6 happened, but I like all the films

[King Sly Joker]

Originally posted by scream_sayonara
well as you see, by my banner, Im a H4-H6 guy, even though H6 wasnt very good.:)
But, I DO insist that 4-6 happened, but I like all the films

Indeed,Im a purist.I follow Halloweens 1&2 and H20.But,I cant say the other installments didnt happen.It will have to be tied into one to end it,so all loose ends are covered..

[MMyers89]

Originally posted by King Sly Joker
Indeed,Im a purist.I follow Halloweens 1&2 and H20.

How can you say you're a purist if you follow those movies. By following them you are leaving out 3 movies that were made BEFORE H20. Leaving out movies is not being pure.

[sam loomis421]

im sorry for say lame i didnt mean it too come like that i too believe though that 2 blows 8 out the water for the same reasonsmmyers89 listed

[H-field Hero]

Originally posted by sam loomis421
im sorry for say lame i didnt mean it too come like that i too believe though that 2 blows 8 out the water for the same reasonsmmyers89 listed H2 blows a few of the sequels out of the water.

[gerry d]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
Halloween II's on a Resurrection level for me.

(gerry d faints after reading that comment);)


Originally posted by scream_sayonara
H2 is just blood and screaming, which we see all teh time now.

Too be honest with you, i personally think HII isn't really that bad when it comes to blood.Out of the murders Michael commits in this movie there are only really 3 scenes that includes blood when Michael kills someone.The Alice Scene,Mrs Alves scene & The Marshall scene.And out of those 3 scenes the Mrs Alves scene is the only 1 that over does it with the blood.Even when Loomis gets stabbed there isn't much blood.

cheers

[The Dark Shape]

...while still managing to blow :)

I follow the H1->H2->H20 storyline most, but that's mostly because of the complete failure of Halloween 5 and 6. They squandered just about every ounce of Halloween 4's potential.

[scream_sayonara]

Originally posted by gerry d

Too be honest with you, i personally think HII isn't really that bad when it comes to blood.Out of the murders Michael commits in this movie there are only really 3 scenes that includes blood.The Alice Scene,Mrs Alves scene & The Marshall scene.And out of those 3 scenes the Mrs Alves scene is the only 1 that over does it with the blood.Even when Loomis gets stabbed there isn't much blood.

cheers [/B]
But the hot tub scene, is arguably the most gorry one of the series with Earl's neck rip.
And dont anyone say anything about the exploding head...that was just dumb:)

[gerry d]

Originally posted by scream_sayonara
But the hot tub scene, is arguably the most gorry one of the series

While it may be gorry.The scene doesn't include any blood

cheers

[scream_sayonara]

Originally posted by gerry d
While it may be gorry.The scene doesn't include any blood

cheers
u know what I meant, gore/blood, same thing

[gerry d]

Originally posted by scream_sayonara
u know what I meant, gore/blood, same thing


So do you think when Loomis gets stabbed it's gorry because there is some blood?.

cheers

[sam loomis421]

h2 didnt have much blood and i dont consider it gore at all let me reterate at all listen halloween 4 was great and had a little of the original feel but not like h2

[scream_sayonara]

Originally posted by gerry d
So do you think when Loomis gets stabbed it's gorry because there is some blood?.

cheers
no, it depends on how much blood and teh type of stab. If the stab is on uncovered skin, it looks very gorry (like Tina in A Nightmare on Elm Street).
But just a little blood from a stab wound is different, than blood flowing from Earls neck.

Originally posted by sam loomis421
h2 didnt have much blood and i dont consider it gore at all let me reterate at all listen halloween 4 was great and had a little of the original feel but not like h2

Well, of course H2 has the most original feel, its on the same night, with the same main characters. H2 didnt have as much of seeing Michael just standing and looking/stalking, while H4 had ALOT of stalking-type scenes.

[sam loomis421]

bottom line is h2 in the eyes of many fans isnt better than h2 thats just how it is to you it may be better bro but to most its not

[scream_sayonara]

Originally posted by sam loomis421
bottom line is h2 in the eyes of many fans isnt better than h2 thats just how it is to you it may be better bro but to most its not
you are right....H2 isnt better than H2....wait...what the fuck are u talkin about:confused:

[MMyers89]

I think he meant to say H2 is better than H4 and how to most people thats right, which isn't true, because H4 isn't that far behind, 44% of people think its better.

Not like 98% think H2 is better with 2% thinking H4 is better.

[scream_sayonara]

Originally posted by MMyers89
I think he meant to say H2 is better than H4 and how to most people thats right, which isn't true, because H4 isn't that far behind, 44% of people think its better.

Not like 98% think H2 is better with 2% thinking H4 is better.
Yeh, I knew...just givin that homie some beef for trippin with that ref to all those wack peeps, yo
:D
and as Chris (boogeyman87)says "Well, thats what makes me me. I like what I like and a poll based on what "most" fans like doesn't really define my favorites."

[H-field Hero]

Originally posted by MMyers89
I think he meant to say H2 is better than H4 and how to most people thats right, which isn't true, because H4 isn't that far behind, 44% of people think its better.

Not like 98% think H2 is better with 2% thinking H4 is better. And on top of that many people have said that the film they didn't pick is a very close second.

While H2 is getting it's sharing of ripping here, it's my observation that its' being ripped on grounds that plague nearly all horror films.

[King Sly Joker]

Originally posted by MMyers89
How can you say you're a purist if you follow those movies. By following them you are leaving out 3 movies that were made BEFORE H20. Leaving out movies is not
being pure.

Well we dont see eye to eye.The 4-6 storyline is one many dont follow.I am not saying its wrong to follow it.H4 was good dont get me wrong.Most have missread my statments.It was very good,it could have been capitalized on but wasnt.Its all in how they draw all the loose ends together.Thats if it ever happens,Which,I doubt.Somewhere down the line,they are going to have to land this baby.And make some sense out of two storylines.Untill then this battle will continue..

[April0205]

Personally, I like H4 better! It gave us a break from the same old thing. I liked H2, dont get me wrong. But H4 is better, IN MY OPINION!

[TheShape2005]

Originally posted by April0205
Personally, I like H4 better! It gave us a break from the same old thing. I liked H2, dont get me wrong. But H4 is better, IN MY OPINION!

I mean I do see were everyone is coming from with H4, even tho H2 is winning. in H4 like April just said, it did give a break and started fresh. with a really good feel too it.

one of those feels that you can't really get out of all the rest of the films. not even the original. as within that music in H4's opening. that just gives you some kind of feel that you can't feel in the other films!

h2 was the same story but only not as good as someone from the Franchise said,(MR.Carpenter)

but I still find H2 better. I really liked the brother sister story line and loved the ending and how Michael got stronger and acted more of a force of nature.

[ILoveHalloween3]

Personally, I think "H2" holds the title as the closest sequel to the original made, as far as the feel goes. To me, had the "H6: P-Cut" been officially released, it would've been the closest in the Post-Carpenter Era to capture the feel of the first two. But unofficial doesn't count.

As the officially released theatrical films, I don't think anyone can argue with "H4". I mean, I think "H2" was the closest, and I think "H4" would run a close second, and vice versa.

I don't think anyone can argue that "H2" & "H4" as a collective whole were the closest to the original. After 1988, nothing was ever that close again ...

[King Sly Joker]

After 1988,you could agrue it went downhill ...

[MMyers89]

Originally posted by King Sly Joker
After 1988,you could agrue it went downhill ...

Especially in 1998 and 2002.

[scream_sayonara]

Originally posted by MMyers89
Especially in 1998 and 2002.
I agree and disagree with that at the same time. I think the story went downhill in 98 and 02, cuz they ignored 4-6, but H20 is still a fine movie, and I prolly like it more than H6

[myersRUNNER2]

Originally posted by King Sly Joker
After 1988,you could agrue it went downhill ...
Hey! I liked H5 :p

[King Sly Joker]

Originally posted by MMyers89
Especially in 1998 and 2002.

1989 Rings the loudest bell.Speaking of how profitable these two are.If Halloween 2 made 30 Million,and Halloween 4 made just over 18 million.That should say something..

[scream_sayonara]

Originally posted by myersRUNNER2
Hey! I liked H5 :p
yeh, I liked it too, but like Sly said, profits do mean alot and I think H5 made the least, if not the second least.
But, I dont see why...I saw the trailer and I thought it was very cool with the entire "revenge" theme and how it built off H4.

[gerry d]

Originally posted by King Sly Joker
After 1988,you could agrue it went downhill ...

I'd agree 100% with you there Brian

Personally speaking H5 was the start of the series going down hill.Some members blame H20 for the series going down hill but in my view the damage was done when H5 was released.

But anyway back to the subject in hand

cheers

[The Dark Shape]

Originally posted by King Sly Joker
1989 Rings the loudest bell.Speaking of how profitable these two are.If Halloween 2 made 30 Million,and Halloween 4 made just over 18 million.That should say something..

Well, if you're into grosses, H20 nearly doubled H2's take, and even Resurrection topped it :)

[TheShape2005]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
Well, if you're into grosses, H20 nearly doubled H2's take, and even Resurrection topped it :)

yeah thats what I was going to say.

its just the fact that when H20 come around thats when the Series started to go into common normal day horror films,

and us vets didn't really find that cool at all, we missed the old feeling and style.

I have high hopes that H9 will take us back to that time and day.

we just need to have are voices made heard loud and clear ;)

[The Dark Shape]

I don't give a damn about feeling or style, I just want a good movie -- which is why H20 is my favorite sequel.

[TheShape2005]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
I don't give a damn about feeling or style, I just want a good movie -- which is why H20 is my favorite sequel.

just to make it clear on what I said above tho,

I wasn't saying H20 is a bad film at all or anything with a bad feel or style to it, I just said most us vets I guess didn't like the look and feel that H20 had because of what I read around the board. ;)

I want a good movie too, and the feeling and style as well I guess, but I would be just fine without the old feel as well, the feel was just fine for me in H20. hell it was even alright in Resurrection ((for me)). with the return to the Myers house and stuff.

I'am A vary open minded person. ;) and it really don't matter too me as long as Michael is in it and doing what he does best.

with an understandable story line ;)

[scream_sayonara]

even though H20 had the rapper in it and is viewed as "another horror flick" which it seems it is....but I liked its feel more than the feel in H6....H6 just felt wierd, but alot of people liked that.

but back on topic: H4 is better than H2;)

[King Sly Joker]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
Well, if you're into grosses, H20 nearly doubled H2's take, and even Resurrection topped it :)

Not so fast my friend.H20 &HR isnt the topic.Im talking H2&H4..;)

[The Dark Shape]

Originally posted by King Sly Joker
Not so fast my friend.H20 &HR isnt the topic.Im talking H2&H4..;)

I know. But c'mon, when have I ever missed an opportunity to bash Halloween II? It's not a hobby, it's an obsession. Coming soon: I'll list every film in the history of the world that's outgrossed it! Muahaha!

Dammit, they're taking me back to my cell.

[scream_sayonara]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
I know. But c'mon, when have I ever missed an opportunity to bash Halloween II? It's not a hobby, it's an obsession. Coming soon: I'll list every film in the history of the world that's outgrossed it! Muahaha!

Dammit, they're taking me back to my cell.
i know what you mean...I bash the F13 movies every chance I get, but Im tryin to stop, cuz it tends to get hostile in teh F13 forum when I do that (Laow-Z doesnt appreciate it).

[complete]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
Well, if you're into grosses, H20 nearly doubled H2's take, and even Resurrection topped it :)

I'll reply to that as anticipation. After a shaky 2 sequels before hand and all the promotion of a 20th Anniversary, plus a whole new range of horror fans, the cinema is way more popular for horror films, where asback then, horror like Halloween was rarely seen. Until the copying F13ths of course.

And for Resurrection... Hype. So desperate to see what happened for real att he end of H20... Then left in the dumps over it.

Go H4!!!

[The Dark Shape]

Originally posted by complete
And for Resurrection... Hype. So desperate to see what happened for real att he end of H20... Then left in the dumps over it.

Go H4!!!

Resurrection's only trailer appeared on Jason X, a $12 million-grossing film. It also opened in mid July against four other movies. The fact it opened to $12 million and topped $30m is fairly amazing considering the competition it was up against.

And if you want the real answer to the difference between grosses, it'd be inflation, but we're not getting into that.

[thetodd]

In terms of quality, I vote H4 as the best Halloween sequel.
H2 is more of an extension of Halloween than a sequel.
As far as box office grosses go, you can't compare the take of movies made 10 or 20 years ago to that of a movie made today without taking the difference in ticket prices into account.

[Nightmareman88]

Agree with you there Todd


The only thing I liked about HR was that it atleast managed to pull in alot of money for another sequel..wich I hope will be good!

[scream_sayonara]

Originally posted by thetodd
As far as box office grosses go, you can't compare the take of movies made 10 or 20 years ago to that of a movie made today without taking the difference in ticket prices into account.
amen. Well said

[The Dark Shape]

Well, I just adjusted the ticket prices. What that means is I take the relative grosses from BoxOfficeMojo, divide them by how much tickets cost in the year of release, and then multiplied that by the average ticket price today ($6.44). Note, this is not an exact science -- both Halloween and Halloween III are estimated total grosses, and there's no guarantee the same amount of people would've seen the films if the prices were this high.

Anyway, original gross is in italics, with the adjusted gross in bold.

HALLOWEEN: $47,000,000 / $129,350,427

HALLOWEEN II: $25,533,818 / $59,150,283

HALLOWEEN III: $14,400,000 / 31,542,857

HALLOWEEN 4: $17,768,757 / $27,842,042

HALLOWEEN 5: $11,642,254 / $18,791,006

HALLOWEEN 6: $15,116,634 / $22,379,568

HALLOWEEN H20: $55,041,738 / $75,579,699

HALLOWEEN 8: $30,354,442 / $33,703,897

[Nightmare13]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
Resurrection's only trailer appeared on Jason X, a $12 million-grossing film. It also opened in mid July against four other movies. The fact it opened to $12 million and topped $30m is fairly amazing considering the competition it was up against.

I'm not trying to go off-topic guys, but what four other movies was Resurrection up against? :)

[The Dark Shape]

Besides Resurrection, Road to Perdition, Reign of Fire, and Crocodile Hunter: Collision Course opened, not to mention the second weekend of Men In Black II, which opened to over $50 million. I'm not saying H8 was a smashing success, but pop Jason X into that release slot and see how it does.

[MMyers89]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
I'm not saying H8 was a smashing success, but pop Jason X into that release slot and see how it does.

True, Jason X was in theaters for like a minute, and H8 was #4 when it opened. It stayed in theaters longer than expected.

[complete]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
Resurrection's only trailer appeared on Jason X, a $12 million-grossing film. It also opened in mid July against four other movies. The fact it opened to $12 million and topped $30m is fairly amazing considering the competition it was up against.

And if you want the real answer to the difference between grosses, it'd be inflation, but we're not getting into that.

lol. I was meaning the fans of the series, who all knew it was coming out.

And about Resurrection, someone said #4 in the States or something... my god. I think it got into #9 for 1 week in the UK, then it filtered out. Not sure. I just remember it on sky movies top 10 cinema films once.

It was in a big screen for a weekend at this big complex in the town by me, then went to the smaller screens for two more weeks, then vanished for a year until the DVD. If it vanished all together... I wouldn't mind.

And neat way of working out the averages for the takins DarkShape. It's interesting. So, if prices were around the same all those years ago, Halloween II would have beaten Resurrection. Cool.

[Nightmare13]

Funnily enough, last night I was looking on the IMDB’s UK Top 10 achieve, and according to that Halloween: Resurrection… Ah crap, I forgot I’ll go and have a look now.

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Halloween: Resurrection entered the UK Box-Office at No. 5 making £520,171 on 319 screens. On the second weekend, £250,109 on 287 screens at No. 8. Then it was gone. So, in it’s stay in the Top 10 it made £1,176,079. :(

[complete]

Originally posted by Nightmare13
Funnily enough, last night I was looking on the IMDB’s UK Top 10 achieve, and according to that Halloween: Resurrection… Ah crap, I forgot I’ll go and have a look now.

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Halloween: Resurrection entered the UK Box-Office at No. 5 making £520,171 on 319 screens. On the second weekend, £250,109 on 287 screens at No. 8. Then it was gone. So, in it’s stay in the Top 10 it made £1,176,079. :(

lmao. A little over £1 million. *chuckles*

So, it got to #5? I am surprised. There again, it was up against that crap film 'They'. I might have look on imdb, have a nosy at the other halloweens. Cheers for sparking that idea Nightmare13.

[The Dark Shape]

Well, to be fair the horror industry in the UK isn't nearly as profitable theatrically as the U.S. market. Freddy vs. Jason grossed $82 million in the U.S., and only something like £2 million in the UK.

[Nightmare13]

Originally posted by complete
I might have look on imdb, have a nosy at the other halloweens. Cheers for sparking that idea Nightmare13

You'll only be able to see H20, it has nothing past 1996. :(

[complete]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
Well, to be fair the horror industry in the UK isn't nearly as profitable theatrically as the U.S. market. Freddy vs. Jason grossed $82 million in the U.S., and only something like £2 million in the UK.

True. Damn. Fair arguements are so unfair:p lol.

Originally posted by Nightmare13
You'll only be able to see H20, it has nothing past 1996. :(

Damn. There goes my fun. Thanks for saving me the time then of having to find that out myself, lol.

[Nightmare13]

Also, out at the same time as Resurrection in the UK were 28 Days Later and Red Dragon, more people would go to see these IMO then the 7th sequel in a horror movie francise.

Originally posted by complete
Damn. There goes my fun. Thanks for saving me the time then of having to find that out myself, lol.

Haha. :D

[King Sly Joker]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
I know. But c'mon, when have I ever missed an opportunity to bash Halloween II? It's not a hobby, it's an obsession. Coming soon: I'll list every film in the history of the world that's outgrossed it! Muahaha!

Dammit, they're taking me back to my cell.

Ok ,I can live with you and your disvain for H2.Its like my sick hate for that scum called H5..

[The Dark Shape]

Actually, I'll join you in that cause. I may dislike H2, but it's at the very least entertaining with a pretty kick-ass finale. H5 is just... awful.

[Nightmare13]

I agree, when you've finished watching Halloween 5 it's like... "WTF was that?!", to be fair I haven't watched it in a while. I'll watch it again soon and see if my feelings have changed.

[complete]

Originally posted by King Sly Joker
Ok ,I can live with you and your disvain for H2.Its like my sick hate for that scum called H5..

lol. Most people sim so have a sick hate for one film or so. You, H5, me Resurrection, Dark HII and a lot of people for HIII.

[Nightmare13]

I don't really have total hate on any of the movies in the francise, most of them have elements that really piss me off.

[MMyers89]

How sad, my thread has become a place to bash H5, and to think, I love H5....

[MyersFan927]

Originally posted by MMyers89
How sad, my thread has become a place to bash H5, and to think, I love H5....

Me too. H5 gets shitted upon all the time, and it becomes so annoying. Okay, there's a gothic house, semi-annoying characters, two clown cops, and not the greatest mask. People need to stop crying about those things, because they're trivial to the movie at hand...a movie that has so much to offer. Come on, there's a progression in H5 with the mysterious Man in Black, you have a terrified Jamie Lloyd who has a new connection to Michael, Doctor Loomis is more determined than ever, a whole new supoprting cast, a balsy move was made when they eliminated Rachel, the music is good, and there are plenty of scary moments (laundry chute, car chase). So instead of whining about what brought the movie down, try admiring all the winning qualities of H5. It doesn't have the greatness of H1-4, but at least there aren't swearing rappers, a teenybopper atmosphere, JLC making a lame comeback, and best of all - no pissing on earlier sequels.

[scream_sayonara]

I actually wasnt aware that people didnt like H5 till I became a regular on this board...I thought everyone liked it...I do

[Superman]

I too like H5. :) ....and just to stay on topic I like H4 better.

[scream_sayonara]

Originally posted by MyersFan927
Me too. H5 gets shitted upon all the time, and it becomes so annoying. Okay, there's a gothic house, semi-annoying characters, two clown cops, and not the greatest mask. People need to stop crying about those things, because they're trivial to the movie at hand...a movie that has so much to offer. Come on, there's a progression in H5 with the mysterious Man in Black, you have a terrified Jamie Lloyd who has a new connection to Michael, Doctor Loomis is more determined than ever, a whole new supoprting cast, a balsy move was made when they eliminated Rachel, the music is good, and there are plenty of scary moments (laundry chute, car chase). So instead of whining about what brought the movie down, try admiring all the winning qualities of H5. It doesn't have the greatness of H1-4, but at least there aren't swearing rappers, a teenybopper atmosphere, JLC making a lame comeback, and best of all - no pissing on earlier sequels.
yep, very well said. While it doesn't rival H4, I like it more than the 3 that followed.
But I thought killing Rachel early on was the dumbest thing they did in the entire series, discluding the casting in HR.

I liked H5, even though it kinda reminded me of the films that Ive bashed so many times...the F13 movies...:eek:

[gerry d]

Originally posted by MyersFan927
Me too. H5 gets shitted upon all the time, and it becomes so annoying. Okay, there's a gothic house, semi-annoying characters, two clown cops, and not the greatest mask. People need to stop crying about those things, because they're trivial to the movie at hand

While i respect your choice of Halloween movies you like. To you Vincent they are maybe trivial but to others it may be the reason why some members have a dislike to H5 & i include myself in that.

If you know what i mean?

cheers

[MyersFan927]

Originally posted by gerry d
While i respect your choice of Halloween movies you like. To you Vincent they are maybe trivial but to others it may be the reason why some members have a dislike to H5 & i include myself in that.

I know what you mean, and I do have to say the movie takes some blows from those problems, yet H5 still remains buoyant. At worst, it's a middle of the road Halloween entry. There are so many things working in favor of it, but the bad ones cloud it up, and we refuse to look past those clouds.

For instance: We could say that H2 is a huge disappointment in comparison to the original. Instead of the classy imagination of John Carpenter, we are introduced to unecessary gore on Alice and the hospital staff, instead of Michael simply walking into a room and killing his sister. There wouldn't be a movie if he did that, but there's still grounds to complain about this gigantic plot hole. How come Michael is so different in this sequel? The first time, he grabbed a knife and hacked into babysistters. Now he's using an array of weapons to commit grisly murders, each more bloody than the last. The heroine from the classic Halloween is now helpless in a bed. The script/dialogue is inferior.
The movie itself is an example of how films had to adapt to the changing times in cinema horror in order to please the audiences.

I love H2. Favorite sequel of mine. Yet from a professional point of view, it is no classic, and it doesn't do justice to the 1978 masterpiece. So how do I like this movie so much? You'd think that after my last paragraph, it's impossible. Well, it may be another hack 'em up slasher with some plot holes and inferiority, but I can't help but embrace its winning qualities. For one thing, the executions, though sorely unecessary and out of the way, are done with a certain style so dismissive in the F13 series. A mood is created with the excellent organ score by Alan Howarth and Carpenter, plus the play of light and shadows in the dimly lit hospital hallways. Dick is no Nick, but at least his walk is chilling, and that also creates a mood. Laurie just lays in a bed, but at least the staff is interesting. Instead of Donald Pleasence playing his role exactly thw way he did in H1, we see a more determined and alert side of him. We receive the best progession the series has ever witnessed: Michael is Laurie's brother.

See where I'm getting at? If you really stand back and look at every sequel, there are plenty of troubling matters, such as plot holes, and lack of quality not seen in the brilliant part 1. I love H3...but what about those time zones? I'd like to strangle Tommy Lee for fucking that one up. Yet it doesn't stop me from seeing the originality and intriguing storyline.

H5 has a share of disappointments, but before we dismiss it as a piece of crap with a stupid gothic house, annoying characters, two clown cops, blah, blah, blah, we should explore the other side of the sphere. Doesn't top the first four entries, and maybe that's why we give it a hard time: since it isn't up to par with what H1-4 has contributed.

Don't take this the wrong way, Gerry. I respect your opinion too. I'm not even mad at you. I just want you to understand. Tonight you should watch H5 and really get into the atmosphere. It features one of the most thrilling escapes in the entire franchise, when little Jamie is frantically trying to flee the Shape in the laundry chute. Earlier, she's running through the foggy woods for dear life as her viscious uncle is racing after her with blaring lights. Intensity. Or how about all those times you wished someone would just pick up a weapon and really give it to Michael?

[scream_sayonara]

Originally posted by MyersFan927


For instance: We could say that H2 is a huge disappointment in comparison to the original. Instead of the classy imagination of John Carpenter, we are introduced to unecessary gore on Alice and the hospital staff, instead of Michael simply walking into a room and killing his sister. There wouldn't be a movie if he did that, but there's still grounds to complain about this gigantic plot hole. How come Michael is so different in this sequel? The first time, he grabbed a knife and hacked into babysistters. Now he's using an array of weapons to commit grisly murders, each more bloody than the last. The heroine from the classic Halloween is now helpless in a bed. The script/dialogue is inferior.
The movie itself is an example of how films had to adapt to the changing times in cinema horror in order to please the audiences.


H2 isnt my favorite or anywhere near it, and you just put it perfectly again. H2 might have been original at the time, but in this era, its just a gorry everyday slasher, unlike H4 which is still a great movie with all the elements

[TheShape2005]

Originally posted by MyersFan927


WoW, Vincent.

that was so well said my friend.

you for sure have a way with words. :)

I might have to use that one time on someone.

just stunning what you just said their. :)

[The Dark Shape]

Originally posted by MyersFan927
Me too. H5 gets shitted upon all the time, and it becomes so annoying. Okay, there's a gothic house, semi-annoying characters, two clown cops, and not the greatest mask. People need to stop crying about those things, because they're trivial to the movie at hand...a movie that has so much to offer. Come on, there's a progression in H5 with the mysterious Man in Black, you have a terrified Jamie Lloyd who has a new connection to Michael, Doctor Loomis is more determined than ever, a whole new supoprting cast, a balsy move was made when they eliminated Rachel, the music is good, and there are plenty of scary moments (laundry chute, car chase). So instead of whining about what brought the movie down, try admiring all the winning qualities of H5. It doesn't have the greatness of H1-4, but at least there aren't swearing rappers, a teenybopper atmosphere, JLC making a lame comeback, and best of all - no pissing on earlier sequels.

You want me to get into this, don't you?

Halloween 5 has:

-- Terrible acting from everyone except Danielle Harris.
-- Terrible direction.
-- A generic, lame-ass storyline better suited to Friday the 13th.
-- A Michael Myers that would rather stalk 35-year-old looking "teens" than his main target, who actually has to beg him to come after her.
-- A "mysterious stranger" subplot that's so laughable contrived it makes me chuckle thinking about it.
-- The most boring scene in the series: the barn slaughter.
-- The most pathetic moment in the series, when Michael cries to Dr. Phil/Jamie.

But yeah, other than these small faults, it really is good.

And I didn't even mention the gothic Myers house or long-neck mask.

[scream_sayonara]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
You want me to get into this, don't you?

Halloween 5 has:

-- Terrible acting from everyone except Danielle Harris.
What about Donald Pleasance....i thought he did a fine job of acting

-- A generic, lame-ass storyline better suited to Friday the 13th.
okay, maybe, but lets not go overboard comparing it to F13

-- A Michael Myers that would rather stalk 35-year-old looking "teens" than his main target, who actually has to beg him to come after her.

there is a reason for that...its the REVENGE of Michael Myers...many think that he was doing this to terrify Jamie and let out his anger from being conquered in H4.

[Nightmareman88]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
The most pathetic moment in the series, when Michael cries to Jamie.



I disagree completly about that and its a very underrated moment in the franchise, Michael for the first time shows emotions wich I find interesting especialy for Jamie, it shows that there might be a bit of hop left in the Mindless Shape but its covered in darkness and evil quit dramatic actully, but oh no certain fans just hate that moment and says The Shape is pure evil blablabla:rolleyes:

[H-field Hero]

Halloween 5's main problems are in the story, the way it flows, and the films characters. You really have no one to side with in this film besides young Jamie. An older audience needs someone besides a little girl to sort of root for and follow along in the story.

Offing Rachel, to this day, makes little sense to me. They heavily under used the Sheriff Meeker character which had played a rather prominent role just a year earlier.

There are a lot of scenes in this film that I simply do not like. Dark Shape alluded to the overly long barn scene. I don't particularly care for the way the new story gets kicked off with jamie acting like a total dope and that annoying nurse flipping out.

A big problem for is the whole ending in the Myers house. This is where the fake Myers house really ruins it and makes this feel not feel like a halloween film. The whole look, tone, and of course the house combined makes this look like something completely different. You've got Loomis, for the first time, making stupid decisions and almost loosing credibility. And yes the response is always "well thats because Michael has him so obsessed blah blah". Well yeah thats true, but the character has to retain integrity and credibility while at the same time being a bit loony.

[King Sly Joker]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
You want me to get into this, don't you?

Halloween 5 has:

-- Terrible acting from everyone except Danielle Harris.
-- Terrible direction.
-- A generic, lame-ass storyline better suited to Friday the 13th.
-- A Michael Myers that would rather stalk 35-year-old looking "teens" than his main target, who actually has to beg him to come after her.
-- A "mysterious stranger" subplot that's so laughable contrived it makes me chuckle thinking about it.
-- The most boring scene in the series: the barn slaughter.
-- The most pathetic moment in the series, when Michael cries to Dr. Phil/Jamie.

But yeah, other than these small faults, it really is good.

And I didn't even mention the gothic Myers house or long-neck mask.

Put this in stone .And hang it in every building.Its nothing but the pure truth..

[scream_sayonara]

Originally posted by King Sly Joker
Put this in stone .And hang it in every building.Its nothing but the pure truth..
you agree that Donald Pleasance had a bad acting performance?

[ILoveHalloween3]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
You want me to get into this, don't you?

Halloween 5 has:

-- Terrible acting from everyone except Danielle Harris.


Donald Pleasence turned in one of his best performances in this film. Despite limited screen time, along with Danielle Harris, Ellie Cornell turned in a great performance. Everybody else sucked tho, some of the worst in the series.

-- Terrible direction.

Agreed.

-- A generic, lame-ass storyline better suited to Friday the 13th.


Nah, that was more like the "H6: T-cut" to me.

A Michael Myers that would rather stalk 35-year-old looking "teens" than his main target, who actually has to beg him to come after her.

A "Halloween" movie has gotta have teens to stalk. No matter if Jamie is the target, or not.

A "mysterious stranger" subplot that's so laughable contrived it makes me chuckle thinking about it.


That was actually the strong point of the film.

The most boring scene in the series: the barn slaughter.

Actually the most suspensful & hottest scene of the film.

The most pathetic moment in the series, when Michael cries to Dr. Phil/Jamie.


Probably the BEST scene in the film, as it's one of the few times in the franchise, we actually got to see a vunerable side to Michael. He's not Jason, he's not ruthless & relentless.



This is not saying that I like "H5". It's still only a 'fair' film imo, but it's still lightyears better than "H6: T-cut" or "Resurrection".

[The Dark Shape]

Pleasence embarassed himself, and he said as much afterwards.

[MyersFan75]

Nope. I would say Pleasence did a fine job in this one as with every film he has ever been in - Hell, even in Fatal Frames, if they had not reshot his scenes and dubbed his voice over, he still would have kicked ass. Everyone knows it. DP is the man.

[thetodd]

Originally posted by MyersFan75
Nope. I would say Pleasence did a fine job in this one as with every film he has ever been in - Hell, even in Fatal Frames, if they had not reshot his scenes and dubbed his voice over, he still would have kicked ass. Everyone knows it. DP is the man.
I agree. Donald P did the best job he could with what he had to work with in H5 and every film he was ever in.

[H-field Hero]

The problem with DP is that he could intentionally try to turn in a shitty acting performance and his fans would still say "omg his performance was riveting!".

I think Pleasence does a decent job with what he was given. You can't blame Pleasence because the direction his character was taking in the script was dumb as hell. He wasn't happy with it and some film reviewers say that shows on screen. While I haven't picked up on that, I can't disprove it.

[TheShape2005]

Originally posted by H-field Hero
The problem with DP is that he could intentionally try to turn in a shitty acting performance and his fans would still say "omg his performance was riveting!".

I think Pleasence does a decent job with what he was given. You can't blame Pleasence because the direction his character was taking in the script was dumb as hell. He wasn't happy with it and some film reviewers say that shows on screen. While I haven't picked up on that, I can't disprove it.

vary well said, matt ;)

I was going to say the fist part of your Post as well about DP,

DP at this time in film making was already old and getting to the point were it was hard to act. But he still pulled off a nice Performance I would say. and H5 might have a few or a lot of things wrong with it like the Story, the House, or the Neck of the mask, (Which wouldn't have been that big if they just Tucked it under the Overalls and had it snapped together with Velcro on the slits)but hey. for some weird reason this was the one film that turned me on to the franchise way back in 1990.

after viewing the first ones afterwards I have to say without a shadow of a doubt their better. but still H5 is an ok movie for me and I have nothing in it when I view it that really just pisses me off to the point of no return to the dvd Player :)

[thetodd]

Originally posted by H-field Hero
The problem with DP is that he could intentionally try to turn in a shitty acting performance and his fans would still say "omg his performance was riveting!".

I think Pleasence does a decent job with what he was given. You can't blame Pleasence because the direction his character was taking in the script was dumb as hell. He wasn't happy with it and some film reviewers say that shows on screen. While I haven't picked up on that, I can't disprove it.
Well, I know a shitty performance when I see one, and I honestly don't think Donald Pleasence did a bad job in H5. Loomis was on the brink of insanity in that movie, and I think Donald P portrayed that well. It certainly wasn't his fault that H5 was so goofy. I'm not saying you said it was, by the way.

[gerry d]

Originally posted by MyersFan927

For instance: We could say that H2 is a huge disappointment in comparison to the original. Instead of the classy imagination of John Carpenter, we are introduced to unecessary gore on Alice .

As for the unecessary gore on Alice,that's a point you would have to raise with John Carpenter as it was him that came up with that death scene when he came in after HII was finished to do an extra 3 days extra shoot.


Originally posted by MyersFan927
How come Michael is so different in this sequel? The first time, he grabbed a knife and hacked into babysistters. Now he's using an array of weapons to commit grisly murders, each more bloody than the last.

My guess is because Halloween II is an 80's movie,the early 80's was the start of slasher era.For Halloween II to survive & do well it also had to be part of that group.Even John Carpenter himself must have felt that way as it was him that added extra scenes because he felt Halloween II wasn't scary enough.

I personally think if HII had been done the same way as Halloween.Halloween II wouldn't have done as well.

Originally posted by MyersFan927

Don't take this the wrong way, Gerry. I respect your opinion too. I'm not even mad at you. I just want you to understand

I'm cool Vicent

Originally posted by scream_sayonara
What about Donald Pleasance....i thought he did a fine job of acting


I know DP can only work with what he has, but his character in H5 was the complete opposite of his character in H4.

In H4 his character was full of life, in this 1 his character didn't have that spark that it had in H4 & because of that it affects the way DP portrays Loomis.

cheers

[Nightmareman88]

In the end of H4 Loomis finally thought that Michael was dead but when he saw Jamie standing there all bloody with the scissor he thought that it is happening all over again and he turned completly crazy

[The Dark Shape]

If you honestly think "Michael, come and get the little girl!" is good acting, you're either delusional (i.e., sticking up for him just because he's Donald Pleasence), or haven't seen many movies with what would qualify as 'good acting.'

[Nightmareman88]

Its "Come and get your little girl";)

[thetodd]

Originally posted by Nightmareman88
In the end of H4 Loomis finally thought that Michael was dead but when he saw Jamie standing there all bloody with the scissor he thought that it is happening all over again and he turned completly crazy
Yep. He went over the edge at the end of H4. I don't see what some people think was so horrible about his acting in H5, but to each his/her own.

[The Dark Shape]

The fact he was a wailing parody of himself.

[thetodd]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
The fact he was a wailing parody of himself.
Like I said, to each his/her own.
I still think he did the best he could with the material he was given to work with.

[MyersFan927]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
The fact he was a wailing parody of himself.

I don't think Pleasence would have even bothered with H5 if it came down to making a foolish parody of yourself. Michael's terror really put him on edge, and he understandably got pretty fed up.

[ILoveHalloween3]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
The fact he was a wailing par