Official STAR WARS thread (Possible Spoilers within)

[#1FreddyFan]

Being that the Star Wars saga is one of the most popular film franchises in history, feel free to post ANYTHING regarding it here. Rumors about the upcoming Episode III and TV Series. Opinions of the different parts of the saga. Reviews of the DVD releases, favorite quotes, whatever....

I actually enjoy ALL of it as a whole, but if I had to choose, I would say my favorite is Episode 4: A New Hope. Mainly because of the longer screen time of Sir Alec Guiness. He added SO much to that one film with his presence that virtually NO film has been able to replicate since.

So, what's your favorite part?

[atomic dog]

great new thread. i can't wait for the next installment. my favorite was ESB with the introduction of boba fett

[bundy]

Episode V! I love this movie.

[Slab]

Anyone not picking Empire is a fool. ;)

Easily the best of the original trilogy, and of the new stuff by far. Though I'm expecting great things from "Revenge Of The Sith". :D

[The Dark Shape]

Woah. Where can I see Revenge of the Sith!? ;)

The Empire Stikes Back is the best film in the franchise. The darkest, while still having the most heart. Attack of the Clones runs second in my mind, with A New Hope not far behind. Return of the Jedi comes in last.

[Superman]

Originally posted by The Slab
Anyone not picking Empire is a fool. ;)

Easily the best of the original trilogy, and of the new stuff by far. Though I'm expecting great things from "Revenge Of The Sith". :D Oh no....:eek: Zod has been replaced by Vader! :eek:

[Slab]

Zod will return, he just needed anothe tyrant to step in for a bit. This does not mean you should stop kneeling Kal-El. ;)

Vaders been informed of the son of our jailor. :p

[Superman]

Originally posted by The Slab
Zod will return, he just needed anothe tyrant to step in for a bit. This does not mean you should stop kneeling Kal-El. ;)

Vaders been informed of the son of our jailor. :p

How's this for a son?

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Now we'll see who's the master of the force! :D

[NeewollaH]

Empire has always been my favorite, since I was a little'un. I've always hated Luke so I was so pleasingly shocked to find out Darth was his father, oh, and his hand gets cut off. I just find all the places visited in 'Empire', the plot twists, character, etc. are just the best of the three (I don't really countthe new ones...oh well). I can't wait to see how ROTS turns out, but I'm sure it'll be the best of the new ones.


Why is the Ewoks/Droids Animated Series on here? please tell me whY!! :)

[Slab]

Originally posted by Superman
How's this for a son?

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Now we'll see who's the master of the force! :D

That's my boy. :)

Stay away from that Kal-El though, he's bad news. ;)

Your dad is still the chosen one though. :p

Depending on how you want to look at it I guess. :)

[gerry d]

Came across this bit of info over at IMDB,according to a story over there Gary Oldman has had to pull out of the Star Wars episode 3 project.

http://www.imdb.com/news/wenn/#3


cheers

[#1FreddyFan]

"If you only knew the POWER of the Dark Side!"

[zombie commando]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
Woah. Where can I see Revenge of the Sith!? ;)

The Empire Stikes Back is the best film in the franchise. The darkest, while still having the most heart. Attack of the Clones runs second in my mind, with A New Hope not far behind. Return of the Jedi comes in last.

I agree...Empire rules....but I would place New Hope after that, and Phantom Menace last.

[halo thirty one]

well, the dvds for the first trilogy come out on tuesday. i watched them this week and the picture quality is awesome. compared to what we are used to with vhs, these movies have never looked better.

i also voted for the empire strikes back in the poll. the production quality in this movie is an improvement over star wars and i think the story is better than return of the jedi. jedi seemed to mark the beginning of george lucas' getting too cute, with the ewoks leading to characters like jar jar binks.

[Superman]

Originally posted by halo thirty one
well, the dvds for the first trilogy come out on tuesday. i watched them this week and the picture quality is awesome. compared to what we are used to with vhs, these movies have never looked better. Lucky....I had to cancel my order. :(

[Maxvayne]

Originally posted by zombie commando
I agree...Empire rules....but I would place New Hope after that, and Phantom Menace last. Ahh....Right on mark with my favorites also.


I'm gonna hold off on the boxset.I will probably get it around christmas because there's to much coming out right now.

[#1FreddyFan]

Less than 20 hours to go! The Mall I pre-ordered it at doesn't open until 10AM, but the video store itself is opening at 9AM for those of us that pre-ordered the Trilogy. I'll be there at 7AM. I already made sure that I have tomorrow off from work, and I'll be spending the rest of the day when I get home from the mall in front of the TV watching the greatest epic space fantasy EVER created!

Anyone else EXTREMELY Psyched?!

[gerry d]

The box set came out today here in the UK.I will be buying it at the end of the week (that's when i get paid).I have never ever owned these on video,i've only ever seen them on the tv.


cheers

[Phatmaster2k8]

Can't wait, tommorow baby. I'm gonna watch em all:p

[The Dark Shape]

I received my copy of the box set on Saturday. I'm friggin' loving this.

[Slab]

Apparently there's already an issue with the audio of Episode IV.

http://thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents

[The Dark Shape]

Yeah, the audio quality does vary at times. It didn't bother me as much as some others, but during some scenes (especially the "A military target?" bit), you can tell the difference between the production audio and ADR.

But they really did make the "Force Theme" at the beginning of the Death Star battle nearly inaudible, and that, friends, did make me a little angry.

[#1FreddyFan]

I'll be leaving in 3 hours to go and hang out at the mall to wait and pick it up. I hope there are some other fans there to shoot the shit with and show off my STAR WARS 20th Anniversary Wool and Leather Varsity-style Letterman jacket to.

[Franchise]

If there's not, at least you'll be warm!

[halo thirty one]

i noticed weird audio when i watched them too. it was going on for all three movies, so i don't know if it was my system or the dvds. i just added some new speakers and the star wars trilogy was what i watched on it first. i guess i'll find out when i watch the alien movies next.

[cmork2000]

I can't wait till I get my trillogy box set. I haven't seen those movies in their entirety since I was little.

[zombie commando]

I guess I am one of the few that will not be getting this set right now....and wait untill there is a sale on them or something. I think the last tapes were good enough.......there is no need to alter these movies any further.

[bundy]

I am now in possession of the Holy Trilogy! Looks like it will be an Empire night tonight.

[MischievousSpirit]

I really enjoy the original trilogy the best.. Then I think Return of The Jedi is my favorite of those three. I am looking forward to Episode III.. It comes out the weekend of my 30th birthday. :)


I got YODA! :D

[The Dark Shape]

I still think Jedi is the worst of the series. It's almost -- and I hate to say this -- boring, until Luke is brought before the Emperor.

[gerry d]

Originally posted by bundy
I am now in possession of the Holy Trilogy! Looks like it will be an Empire night tonight.

Hope you enjoy it bundy:)

cheers

[Ringu]

I also have the set, I got it at Wal*Mart for like $40.00 and since I'm sick I most likely won't be going to school tomorrow so I will have a great day, I also got Star Wars Battlefront so that will be cool too.

[bundy]

Originally posted by Ringu
I also have the set, I got it at Wal*Mart for like $40.00 and since I'm sick I most likely won't be going to school tomorrow so I will have a great day, I also got Star Wars Battlefront so that will be cool too.

Let me know how Battlefront is. I may want to go out and pick it up.

[atomic dog]

i picked up the boxed set and because i preordered it i got a choice of a free poster, either ANH, ESB or ROTJ. so i choose ESB.

[Phatmaster2k8]

Originally posted by atomic dog
i picked up the boxed set and because i preordered it i got a choice of a free poster, either ANH, ESB or ROTJ. so i choose ESB.

Good choice;) I just got the box set also, I love it. A really awesome set. The extras disc is also great.

[Ringu]

Originally posted by bundy
Let me know how Battlefront is. I may want to go out and pick it up.

Battlefront is great. I posted about it in the videogames thread, you get to play in alot of the major battles from Episode I-VI. In fact, the game was more expensive than the set.

[Ringu]

Originally posted by atomic dog
i picked up the boxed set and because i preordered it i got a choice of a free poster, either ANH, ESB or ROTJ. so i choose ESB.

Where did you preorder it?

[Thrillogy]

i love the box set and i think that the first 3 films , phantom menace should have been done after ROTJ. they have waited too long to do them. yet i will still be in line for Star Wars 3 :)

[MichaelMyers]

Can't wait to get the Trilogy on DVD.

[Cruel Intentions]

I'll have it here shortly!

[zombie commando]

You guys do realize that in ten years they are just going to make one huge box set with all 6 movies, and Lucas is going to go make changes to all of them again.

I can wait.

[atomic dog]

Originally posted by Ringu
Where did you preorder it?
fye

[Slab]

Picked it up on the way home form work, got ANH on in the background right now. :D

[Slab]

Originally posted by zombie commando
You guys do realize that in ten years they are just going to make one huge box set with all 6 movies, and Lucas is going to go make changes to all of them again.

I can wait.

It'll be a new format in 10 years at the rate things change. I'll just take the DVDs now. ;)

To each his own though Zombie. :)

[zombie commando]

Originally posted by The Slab
It'll be a new format in 10 years at the rate things change. I'll just take the DVDs now. ;)

To each his own though Zombie. :)

That's true...they will probably have smaller DVDs by then that do all sorts of crazy shit........

[Dusk]

I purchased the box set the other day and have found it to be the most majestic collection of discs I've ever seen. I dropped out of being an SW fan long ago, but the nostalgia factor is really kicking in. I used to wear ROTJ tshirts and shit as a kid.

[Scarface]

Damn! I can't wait to get this! Are the special features really worth it? (Audio commentaries, featurettes, etc). Also, whats on the Episode III preview featurette? Anything interesting?

Sorry, just had to ask these questions to see if I should buy it or not. I already own the Special Edition, and Original trilogy on VHS, so I needed to know if I should fork out the $40.00 to get it.

As for my favorite of the series, it would have to be ESB, with ROTJ following closely. I just loved ESB so much! The twist really got me when I first viewed it (There was no internet to ruin spoilers, lol). ANH is my 3rd favorite. I enjoyed it alot, but I've seen it so much that it got kinda boring to me. TPM is next, then AoTC. I loved the end duel in TPM. Very entertaining. I felt AoTC was more focused on the effects than the story, seeing that it didn't appeal to me at all very much.

Hope Episode III turns out better than the previous films in the prequel trilogy. It has the ability to become the best of the Star Wars films (mainly cause its the last). I really wanna see Anakin turn to the Dark Side. One thing I am looking forward to is a fight with Anaking and Obi-Wan, which explains the whole acid pit thing, creating Darth Vader.

(PS) - Sorry if my post seems a little...wierd. It is kinda late, and I just wanted to post a final post before hitting the sack, lol.

[atomic dog]

i'm still trying to start calling ep3 by it's real name, revenge of the sith.

[Ringu]

Originally posted by Scarface
Damn! I can't wait to get this! Are the special features really worth it? (Audio commentaries, featurettes, etc). Also, whats on the Episode III preview featurette? Anything interesting?

Sorry, just had to ask these questions to see if I should buy it or not. I already own the Special Edition, and Original trilogy on VHS, so I needed to know if I should fork out the $40.00 to get it.


I also own both VHS sets of them too but I got it, I think any self respecting Star Wars fan should pick this up. I haven't had time to watch anything yet but from what others are saying this is well worth $40.00

[atomic dog]

i also own the original boxed set on vhs. actually i build my home htreater system just for that set.

[Slab]

I also have the THX editions released in '95 (not the widescreen though :(), and the Special edition boxset with all the booklets and this pewter symbol as well as a film still.

I'm pretty sure that we will see anothe rDVD edition in a year or two. All six movies and such with new features.

[Ringu]

Originally posted by Ringu
I also have the set, I got it at Wal*Mart for like $40.00 and since I'm sick I most likely won't be going to school tomorrow so I will have a great day, I also got Star Wars Battlefront so that will be cool too.

Star Wars Trilogy: $37.88

Star Wars Battlefront: $43.88

Staying home sick from school and watching and playing Star Wars all day: Priceless

There are some things money can't buy, for eveything else there's Star Wars (And videogames, and Spider-Man, and Horror...)

[atomic dog]

nice ad, ringu

[Ringu]

Originally posted by atomic dog
nice ad, ringu

Thanks, it's just something I thought of.

[Cruel Intentions]

Did you all get Widescreen or Fullscreen?

[Ringu]

Originally posted by BreakfastClub85
Did you all get Widescreen or Fullscreen?

I got Fullscreen, I don't mind either but I got it because nobody else that I know likes Widescreen and I figured I would just get it to please everyone and not have to hear everyone bitch. I'll probably be at a minority here.

[atomic dog]

widescreen of course. i wouldn't buy any other.

[Ringu]

Originally posted by atomic dog
widescreen of course. i wouldn't buy any other.

See I knew I'd be at a minority, can someone please convince me why I should buy Widescreen instead of Fullscreen (I know the differences but can someone convince me why it's better besides that the edges are chopped off in Fullscreen)

[atomic dog]

ok well tvs are moving all towards the correct format: rectangular not square like they are now. film is shot in rectangular formated cells. so when you see the movie inthe threaters it is set for rectangular to fit it. now when you watch a movie on your tv, excluding any HDTVs, the format is square. so to compensate for the difference in size they created pan and scan or full frame for tv. now all tvs are moving slowly towards the rectangular format for everything. that's why there is a difference.

[Justin]

I s'pose I just love the trilogy in general. Nuff said. I mean, who can really say they dislike Episodes IV-VI ? My personal favorite was VI and IV, but of course the Empire Strikes Back is amazing as well. I haven't seen the movies in eons and am so bad the DVDs are out, I can't wait to buy them when I get my next paycheck along with MAD season 1! :-D

[Justin]

Originally posted by Ringu
See I knew I'd be at a minority, can someone please convince me why I should buy Widescreen instead of Fullscreen (I know the differences but can someone convince me why it's better besides that the edges are chopped off in Fullscreen)


atomic dog was way more specific than I am going to be, but the quality of a widescreen just seems so much classier. It feels like the resolve is better, and you just get more out of the movie. I'm sure the full screen is good, also, but if you want to go for the movie theatre affect, then go for the widescreen. By the way none of the information I just listed is justified it's just how I personally feel.

[Slab]

Also if you end up buying one of those fancy new tvs, your fullscreen movies will give you black bars on the sides when you watch them.

Buying fullscreen nowadays defeats the purpose of where tech is heading.

[atomic dog]

yeah now it's the reverse of letterbox. actually it gives it a new meaning...

[The Dark Shape]

Since I own a widescreen TV, can I sue DVD companies for labeling their DVDs as "Fullscreen Editions"?

Originally posted by Justin
I s'pose I just love the trilogy in general. Nuff said. I mean, who can really say they dislike Episodes IV-VI ? My personal favorite was VI and IV, but of course the Empire Strikes Back is amazing as well. I haven't seen the movies in eons and am so bad the DVDs are out, I can't wait to buy them when I get my next paycheck along with MAD season 1! :-D

I tend to consider Return of the Jedi the weakest of the five films.

[Slab]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
Since I own a widescreen TV, can I sue DVD companies for labeling their DVDs as "Fullscreen Editions"?

I doubt it, that's why they have DVD's labelled as widescreen editions as well. Buy for what you have as you'd probably get laughed out of court.

[gerry d]

Bought the boxset today.I had never even owned these on video.Watched Star Wars & The Empire Strikes Back today.I had forgot how good a movie Empire Strikes Back was.

cheers

[Ringu]

Originally posted by atomic dog
ok well tvs are moving all towards the correct format: rectangular not square like they are now. film is shot in rectangular formated cells. so when you see the movie inthe threaters it is set for rectangular to fit it. now when you watch a movie on your tv, excluding any HDTVs, the format is square. so to compensate for the difference in size they created pan and scan or full frame for tv. now all tvs are moving slowly towards the rectangular format for everything. that's why there is a difference.

Originally posted by Justin
atomic dog was way more specific than I am going to be, but the quality of a widescreen just seems so much classier. It feels like the resolve is better, and you just get more out of the movie. I'm sure the full screen is good, also, but if you want to go for the movie theatre affect, then go for the widescreen. By the way none of the information I just listed is justified it's just how I personally feel.

Thanks for clearing that up guys, maybe I should return my Fullscreen version and exchange it for the Widescreen ones, we (my family) don't have a Widescreen/HDTV yet so it doesn't matter right now but soon everyone will ghave one and Widescreen will be better for the future.

[Justin]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
Since I own a widescreen TV, can I sue DVD companies for labeling their DVDs as "Fullscreen Editions"?



I tend to consider Return of the Jedi the weakest of the five films.

It's weird because I've been watching those movies since I was probably 5, and when I was that young ROTJ was my favorite so there's just always been a place for it. I agree it isn't the strongest of the three, though.

[Ringu]

Originally posted by Justin
It's weird because I've been watching those movies since I was probably 5, and when I was that young ROTJ was my favorite so there's just always been a place for it. I agree it isn't the strongest of the three, though.

That reminds me, today in our Sports and Entertainment Marketing class the teacher asked who had seen any of the original trilogy, I was the only one in the class who had, what's wrong with that picture?:eek:

[ten31]

Jedi tops my list for favourite Star Wars flick. Episode IV following in a close second.l

[The Dark Shape]

Jedi used to be my favorite, when I was younger. But when I got older, I realized it's just such a lazy movie. Its plot is generally just a re-hash of A New Hope, the characters are extremely watered down (I miss you, Han!), and it really doesn't pick up until the last half hour. I haven't felt the same way about the other four films.

[Cruel Intentions]

I got the trilogy!!

I'm going to watch Empire Strikes Back tonight.

Widescreen for me.

[Chomp_on_this]

I watched The Empire Strikes Back 2 nights in a row, and I am planning on making it 3. I just get chills when Yoda and Ben are talking while Luke leaves his training, and Ben says he is they're last hope and then the screen turns dark. Then you see the red light flash and Yoda says..."No. There is another. "...MAN I LOVE THAT SCENE!

And I cant beleive how great Hoth looks. Half the time screen is white, and yet you cant see any evidence of dirt or dust speckles. They did a supurb job in restoring the film. I hear they cleaned at least 100 pieces of dust or dirt from EACH frame...damn.

And all these fanboys are crying about audio and added enhanced effects..pffffft.

[Phatmaster2k8]

Originally posted by Chomp_on_this
I watched The Empire Strikes Back 2 nights in a row, and I am planning on making it 3. I just get chills when Yoda and Ben are talking while Luke leaves his training, and Ben says he is they're last hope and then the screen turns dark. Then you see the red light flash and Yoda says..."No. There is another. "...MAN I LOVE THAT SCENE!



It is a great scene. But I wish it actually meant something. Jedi just didn't use that concept at all, it makes me angry:mad:

[Chomp_on_this]

Originally posted by Phatmaster2k5
It is a great scene. But I wish it actually meant something. Jedi just didn't use that concept at all, it makes me angry:mad:

Watcha mean it didn't mean anything? Wasn't Yoda referring to Princess Leia, no? Then ROTJ broke the news that the two are brother and sister? Or am I just a dumbass that will never understand the Star Wars universe? LoL

[atomic dog]

no you are correct.

[Phatmaster2k8]

Originally posted by Chomp_on_this
Watcha mean it didn't mean anything? Wasn't Yoda referring to Princess Leia, no? Then ROTJ broke the news that the two are brother and sister? Or am I just a dumbass that will never understand the Star Wars universe? LoL

No thats what it meant, but I was saying it didn't matter Luke won after all.

If there is any scene in Star Wars I do not get it has to be in Ep. V when Luke goes into the cave to face his fears and finds "Vader", he kills him and sees he is under the mask. I get that it means he will become like Vader if he continues down the path of the dark side but was that whole scene real? Or just a part of Luke's imagintion?

[Slab]

Yoda said the place was strong with the dark side, so I'd say it was real to an extent. Yoda also had a reaction (and mentions Luke's failure later) when it was over, so he knew what had happened.

Basically having enough of a reality effect on those sensitive enough to the force.

[Maxvayne]

Originally posted by The Slab
Yoda said the place was strong with the dark side, so I'd say it was real to an extent. Yoda also had a reaction (and mentions Luke's failure later) when it was over, so he knew what had happened.

Basically having enough of a reality rffect on those sensitive enough to the force.

That and Yoda knew the Dark side covers Daghobah. That is why he can't be found by the Empire.

[Cereal Killer]

The Empire Strikes Back was my favorite.

BTW: George Lucas blows!
Just had to get that off my chest ;) I didn't care for his "enhancements" a few years back, and the DVD ones aren't helping things. Especially the end of Jedi.

[Creepingmouth]

I've just seen "the return of Darth Vader" documentary from the Star Wars trilogy boxset.I just can't wait to see my favorite villain again on the big screen.It's a pity he will be seen only for the last 5 minutes of the movie (at least that's what I heard)

[The Dark Shape]

Originally posted by Maxvayne
That and Yoda knew the Dark side covers Daghobah. That is why he can't be found by the Empire.

Someone's been reading the Expanded Universe ;)

Originally posted by Cereal Killer
The Empire Strikes Back was my favorite.

BTW: George Lucas blows!
Just had to get that off my chest ;) I didn't care for his "enhancements" a few years back, and the DVD ones aren't helping things. Especially the end of Jedi.

You're right, 'cuz Anakin's ghost should look like an 80-year-old fat guy. :rolleyes:

[Annie]

Bitchin' thread. I can't wait to see Hayden go beserk and turn into Darth Vader. I never knew why he wore the costume until my husband told me last week.

Interesting, and I hope they show it in the third movie.

Jean:rolleyes:

[zombie commando]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
Someone's been reading the Expanded Universe ;)



You're right, 'cuz Anakin's ghost should look like an 80-year-old fat guy. :rolleyes:

He should look like an old man.

[boogeyman87]

Has anyone seen this teaser(possible fake ) poster yet?


http://aintitcoolnews.com/display.cgi?id=18590

[atomic dog]

that's fake.

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by atomic dog
that's fake.

Why ? Can you tell or do you know some other reason?

[atomic dog]

i can tell. it's a combo of the ANH opening and ep3 pictures.

[Chomp_on_this]

Fake or not, it still looks pretty damn good!

[Slab]

I don't think it's fake from what I read. Just a publicity photo, and nothing but. It's not a legitimate teaser.

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by atomic dog
i can tell. it's a combo of the ANH opening and ep3 pictures.

Ya, but like Chomp said its awesome. Like the Phantom Menace poster had little anakin with a shadow of darth vadar this one has the same . Its a nice job to whoever did it , if its fake .

[zombie commando]

I don't care if it is fake......it's cool.

[Chomp_on_this]

Now that I look at it, I noticed the floor where Vader's silhouette apears...it looks rather photoshopped and poorly for that mattter. I am gonna say it's fan made based on that, but is still a nice idea.

[zombie commando]

It's definitely a fake...but I like it.

[Buffy]

Originally posted by NeewollaH
Empire has always been my favorite, since I was a little'un. I've always hated Luke so I was so pleasingly shocked to find out Darth was his father, oh, and his hand gets cut off. I just find all the places visited in 'Empire', the plot twists, character, etc. are just the best of the three (I don't really countthe new ones...oh well). I can't wait to see how ROTS turns out, but I'm sure it'll be the best of the new ones.


Why is the Ewoks/Droids Animated Series on here? please tell me whY!! :)

You crack me up Slabby - I have never known anyone to hate Luke. But Empire is defintely the best of them all - Star Wars rocks too, the only thing with Jedi was a little to much of the Ewoks - they are adorabe and all but a little to much fuzziness.

[Slab]

Originally posted by Buffy
You crack me up Slabby - I have never known anyone to hate Luke.

I don't Buff, you quoted NeewollaH. ;)

[Buffy]

Originally posted by The Slab
I don't Buff, you quoted NeewollaH. ;)

I am so sorry I am so very tired... between the yankee game and the debate my brain is oatmeal which is actually normal for me. :p

[atomic dog]

ok i finally got to see the first 10 episode of the clone wars, thanks to #1 freddy fan. and now i have some questions: first off how many episode are there? what is durge? does he come back? is it worth watching the rest of the series?

[Slab]

Is it real? Don't know, but it sure looks cool. :D

http://cgi.theforce.net/theforce/image.cgi?Image=episode3/newspics/epiiibanner.jpg

[Annie]

I can't WAIT to see the third installment. Hayden looks damn sexy and vicious.

Just like I like a man.:p

[atomic dog]

Originally posted by The Slab
Is it real? Don't know, but it sure looks cool. :D

http://cgi.theforce.net/theforce/image.cgi?Image=episode3/newspics/epiiibanner.jpg
i heard about this and i'm not sure but really looks good.

[zombie commando]

I likes it. I likes it alot. Vader rules.

[thetodd]

The Empire Strikes Back is the best in the series, so far.
The pictures of Hayden Christenson as Darth Vader in the next movie are chilling, though. I cannot wait to see the new movie and finally find out how he turned to the dark side and who or what messed up his pretty face and forced him to live inside a life support outfit. Everyone assumes Obi Wan got him, but I'm not convinced. Maybe it was Mace Windu? Or maybe he faces Count Dooku again and kills him but gets severely damaged in the process? It will be interesting to see, to say the very least.

[Creepingmouth]

Originally posted by thetodd
I cannot wait to see the new movie and finally find out how he turned to the dark side and who or what messed up his pretty face and forced him to live inside a life support outfit. Everyone assumes Obi Wan got him, but I'm not convinced.

As far as I know it was Obi Wan.In the trilogy boxset there's an extra about the upcoming videogame and we can see also the training between Ewan McGregor and Hayden Christenson when they simulate the battle between Obi Wan and Anakin and that one is pictured as the final battle and Anakin is supposed to fall into some kind of volcano

[thetodd]

Originally posted by Creepingmouth
As far as I know it was Obi Wan.In the trilogy boxset there's an extra about the upcoming videogame and we can see also the training between Ewan McGregor and Hayden Christenson when they simulate the battle between Obi Wan and Anakin and that one is pictured as the final battle.
Yeah, it probably will be Obi Wan, but I was just pointing out that it was all an assumption. I guess it makes sense.

[Cereal Killer]

Warning: Possible spoilers below.






It is Obi-Wan that does the damage to Anakin..... to some degree.

I don't know if anyone's already mentioned it, but he hacks off Anakin's good arm (Anakin then continues to fight with his robotic arm), supposedly cuts off one of Anakin's legs (or both), then Anakin falls into some type of volcanic lava. The clones pick him up and whisk him away. He wakes up as Vader, he's told he killed Amidala and the twins she was carrying, and then he goes bonkers..... Vader is born.

I guess Anakin gets duped into believing the Jedi are evil, kills most of them, and then Amidala leads Obi-Wan to Anakin. Anakin gets pissed at Amidala for bringing Obi-Wan to face him, and he does the infamous "Vader choke" on her until Obi-Wan breaks it up. Then we have the long awaited duel. She supposedly dies giving birth, but Vader is told he killed her and the kids.

The scene showing Obi-Wan delivering baby Luke (along with Anakin's saber) to his Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru was shot during the filming of Episode 2.

I read all this somewhere, but I'll be damned if I can fin the link. We're also supposedly going to see Yoda versus Palpatine (Yoda obviously loses), and Anakin is going to duel Count Dooku/Darth Tyranus, and Mace Windu..... killing both of them.

[Silverpsycho]

LOL, I like Return of the Jedi & Attack of the Clones...okay, now don't hit me too hard, :D

[Cereal Killer]

Originally posted by Silverpsycho
LOL, I like Return of the Jedi & Attack of the Clones...okay, now don't hit me too hard, :D
Two very good flicks. Not the best, but still good ;)

Who's going to hit ya? :p

Of all the films I find Episode 1 the most annoying. Excellent fight scenes and such, but way too much with the fricken Gungans. Lucas went overboard with his little..... "funnies" :rolleyes:

[zombie commando]

Originally posted by thetodd
Yeah, it probably will be Obi Wan, but I was just pointing out that it was all an assumption. I guess it makes sense.
I think that even Lucas has been on record as saying that Obi Wan is the person to mess old Anakin up. I don't even think that point is up for speculation, and if he did change that it would be the dumbest plot twist ever.

[thetodd]

Originally posted by zombie commando
I think that even Lucas has been on record as saying that Obi Wan is the person to mess old Anakin up. I don't even think that point is up for speculation, and if he did change that it would be the dumbest plot twist ever.
Okay, so Obi Wan f***ed up Anakin. Some of the other things I've heard don't make sense, though. Supposedly Anakin kills both Mace Windu and Count Dooku. Now Dooku handled Obi Wan very easily in the last movie, but in the next one, Obi Wan is able to all but kill Anakin yet on the other hand, Anakin is now skilled enough to kill both Dooku AND Windu? If Anakin is able to overcome Dooku, who kicked Obi Wans ass, then how is Obi Wan able to defeat Anakin? Either Dooku's skills have eroded badly since the last movie or both Obi Wan and Anakin have increased their abilities and skills dramatically.

[zombie commando]

Anakin just becomes a badass as a result of all the fighting he participated in during the clone wars. You've got to also remember that Anakin was born from the force through emaculant conception, he is the most powerfull Jedi ever.......and I suspect we are going to see that during this flick.

Obi is also a great Jedi........I mean he eliminated Darth Maul.....but I believe Dooku was just too powerfull for him at that juncture in time.

[thetodd]

Originally posted by zombie commando
Anakin just becomes a badass as a result of all the fighting he participated in during the clone wars. You've got to also remember that Anakin was born from the force through emaculant conception, he is the most powerfull Jedi ever.......and I suspect we are going to see that during this flick.

Obi is also a great Jedi........I mean he eliminated Darth Maul.....but I believe Dooku was just too powerfull for him at that juncture in time.
I want to see Anakin kill Dooku, believe me. But if he is now so strong that he can accomplish that, how is Obi Wan able to mess him up so badly? From what I've heard, Obi Wan decimates Anakin, cutting off his real arm and possible one of his legs.

[Superman]

Originally posted by Cereal Killer
Warning: Possible spoilers below.

She supposedly dies giving birth, but Vader is told he killed her and the kids.

That's seems kinda funny because in Jedi Leia tell Luke she can remember her mother..images...and Luke has no memory of his mother. How can Leia remember her mother if she dies in child birth?

[The Dark Shape]

She popped out first. It's called the Force, my friend :)

[Superman]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
She popped out first. It's called the Force, my friend :) I can deal with that. :)

[Franchise]

Originally posted by Superman
That's seems kinda funny because in Jedi Leia tell Luke she can remember her mother..images...and Luke has no memory of his mother. How can Leia remember her mother if she dies in child birth?

Perhaps a step-mother or someone that took care of her?

[Slab]

Originally posted by thetodd
I want to see Anakin kill Dooku, believe me. But if he is now so strong that he can accomplish that, how is Obi Wan able to mess him up so badly?

I would say because during their fight Anakin is blinded by hate. While those feelings may make him powerful, they also make him reckless, and sloppy.

Obi Wan is experienced enough to not give into hate, and is able to defeat Anakin. After Qui Gon was killed, Obi Wan didn't kill Darth Maul out of revenge, or hatred. It was self defence, which is one of the things Yoda says a Jedi always uses the force for.

Both being knowledge, and defence, never for attack. :)

[MischievousSpirit]

Originally posted by The Slab
I would say because during their fight Anakin is blinded by hate. While those feelings may make him powerful, they also make him reckless, and sloppy.

Obi Wan is experienced enough to not give into hate, and is able to defeat Anakin. After Qui Gon was killed, Obi Wan didn't kill Darth Maul out of revenge, or hatred. It was self defence, which is one of the things Yoda says a Jedi always uses the force for.

Both being knowledge, and defence, never for attack. :)

Who's your DADDY?! :D

[Superman]

Originally posted by Franchise
Perhaps a step-mother or someone that took care of her? Yes..I know she had a step mom on Allderan(sp?)...the Organa's. Maybe that is it. Maybe the force thing too.

[The Dark Shape]

The problem with the step-mother explanation is it kind of takes the poignancy out of the scene.

Regarding Obi-Wan, Sidious must have absolutely hated him. By the end of the prequels, he will have dueled with Darth Maul, Count Dooku, General Grievous, and Anakin Skywalker, defeating most of them in the process.

[Superman]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
The problem with the step-mother explanation is it kind of takes the poignancy out of the scene.

Regarding Obi-Wan, Sidious must have absolutely hated him. By the end of the prequels, he will have dueled with Darth Maul, Count Dooku, General Grievous, and Anakin Skywalker, defeating most of them in the process. Go Obi...go Obi...:)

[Franchise]

It's not my fault that Lucas can't write his way out of a wet paper bag.

[thetodd]

Originally posted by Superman
That's seems kinda funny because in Jedi Leia tell Luke she can remember her mother..images...and Luke has no memory of his mother. How can Leia remember her mother if she dies in child birth?
Leia said in Return of the Jedi that she remembered her mother being very sad. I don't buy this force busines. In order for Leia to have any memory of her mother, Leia had to have been at least 4 or 5 before Amidala died. This begs the quesiton, why didn't Anakin know he had a daughter if he knew he had a son? Maybe Lukes connection to the force is much stronger than Leias and Anakin is able to sense him but not Leia? If Amidala dies in the next movie, how does Lucas explain Leia remembering her mother? How will he explain Anakin/Darth Vader not knowing he had a daughter?

[The Dark Shape]

If a woman's giving birth to her children just after being strangled half-to-death by her husband, I can imagine her being pretty sad. And the images would stay in her mind through the Force.

Anakin only knows Padme is pregnant. He doesn't know she's having twins.

[Slab]

I may be reaching here, but could it be that the force is so strong with Leia that she could sense Padme's feelings while she was in the womb?

It's not terribly far fetched, and it may explain how Leia knows she was so sad.

[thetodd]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
If a woman's giving birth to her children just after being strangled half-to-death by her husband, I can imagine her being pretty sad. And the images would stay in her mind through the Force.

Anakin only knows Padme is pregnant. He doesn't know she's having twins.
But he somehow knows he has a son. He even knows who his son is. How did he not know Leia was his daughter when he was having her tortured in the original Star Wars? You'd think he would have been able to sense it. That's what makes me wonder if Lucas always intended for Leia and Luke to be brother and sister. It doesn't make sense that Darth wouldn't have been able to feel that Leia was his daughter. How does he know about Luke but not Leia? If he knows about one, he should know about both.

[Beau]

Originally posted by Franchise
It's not my fault that Lucas can't write his way out of a wet paper bag.

:p

[The Dark Shape]

Originally posted by thetodd
But he somehow knows he has a son. He even knows who his son is. How did he not know Leia was his daughter when he was having her tortured in the original Star Wars? You'd think he would have been able to sense it. That's what makes me wonder if Lucas always intended for Leia and Luke to be brother and sister. It doesn't make sense that Darth wouldn't have been able to feel that Leia was his daughter. How does he know about Luke but not Leia? If he knows about one, he should know about both.

Chalk that up to a bad Return of the Jedi plot-twist. But seriously, Vader's son is named Luke Skywalker. Is it that huge of a stretch? The Emperor (even though Vader already knows) goes as far as to spell it out for him: "I have no doubt this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker."

[thetodd]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
Chalk that up to a bad Return of the Jedi plot-twist. But seriously, Vader's son is named Luke Skywalker. Is it that huge of a stretch? The Emperor (even though Vader already knows) goes as far as to spell it out for him: "I have no doubt this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker."
I have no problem with Anakin/Darth Vader knowing he has a son. Even if he wasn't there for the birth, surely he could sense him through the force. The problem I have is Darth not knowing that Leia is his daughter even when they are together on the Death Star in the original Star Wars. Why wouldn't Darth be able to sense it? Either Lucas didn't think some things through or Leia wasn't always intended to be Lukes sister. I can think of no other explanations.

[The Dark Shape]

Leia wasn't intended to be Luke's sister until ROTJ. When Star Wars was a nine-part story, Episode VI originally ended with the deaths of Han and Vader, and Leia being isolated from Luke to lead her people. So the next trilogy featured Luke and a new group of characters. Around Episode VIII, he was to find his sister ("There is another..."), and the Emperor was to be revealed in Episode IX.

[thetodd]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
Leia wasn't intended to be Luke's sister until ROTJ. When Star Wars was a nine-part story, Episode VI originally ended with the deaths of Han and Vader, and Leia being isolated from Luke to lead her people. So the next trilogy featured Luke and a new group of characters. Around Episode VIII, he was to find his sister ("There is another..."), and the Emperor was to be revealed in Episode IX.
Well then, that explains it.

[boogeyman87]

Has this been posted yet? I'm sure most of you know about this and if it is fake or real or whatever- Description of the teaser trailer.

SPOILER(possible)

a familiar voice over with Alec Guinness. Fans will love to hear him speak his monologue to Luke from A New Hope about "Jedi Knights always being the guardians of peace." As we hear these familiar phrases, they've intercut shots from various Star Wars episodes, excluding Episode 3. Only when the monologue ends with "Vader was seduced by the dark side of the Force" about 40 seconds into the trailer do we see the face of Anakin. He is partly covered with dark hood, looking positively evil.
This is followed by the shot of erupting volcanoes, then some sort of volcanic field with crab-like creatures and then darkness, all accompanied by Vader breathing. Then the following is heard:

Sidious: "Lord Vader..."

Vader: "Yes?"

Sidious: "Rise."

Then we see Anakin in full Vader gear rising on some sort of operating table to which he is chained. The rising is slow and is intercut with shot of various Star Wars main characters. When the table has fully risen so that Vader is basically standing upright, the meatiest part of trailer begins, with many, many shots from Episode III. Most of them are very, very short - this will be something for freeze-frame fanatics to analyze.

The ones that stuck in my memory:

Dozens of Wookiees on some sort of floating platform.

Padme with signature Leia hairdo.

The Tri-Fighter, aka the precursor to the TIE fighter with three curving wings and guns mounted between each wing. They shoot red lasers.

The ARC Clonefigthter, aka the precursor to X-Wing, with three wings on each side.

A gigantic starship being sprayed by streams of something that looks like dense acid.

The trailer ends with the title "THE SAGA IS COMPLETE - MAY 2005" and

[Cereal Killer]

Originally posted by Superman
That's seems kinda funny because in Jedi Leia tell Luke she can remember her mother..images...and Luke has no memory of his mother. How can Leia remember her mother if she dies in child birth?
It doesn't seem funny at all, really. I mean we didn't find out about Vader being Luke's father unril episode 5. And the Leia & Luke sibling tie didn't show up until RotJ.

Leia Organa was obviously placed into a royal family for safekeeping (thus Princess Leia). She may remember her mother from early childhood, but who's to say it's her real mother? Remember, they were well hidden from their father. They were living totally seperate lives.

I don't know for sure. What I posted as possible spoilers are exactly what I said..... possible spoilers. I read it awhile back, and it seemed to be a nice inside sourced article with some tasty tidbits like Dooku and Anakin (Anakin cutting off Dooku's head), and Anakin being forced to choose beetween Mace Windu and Palpatine. Palpatine leads Anakin to believe that the Jedi were corrupt. Obviously Anakin was duped, and he and Palpatine both kill Mace. Palpatine will have a lightsaber, but he is said to use his force power against Windu, similar to the end of RotJ. Palpatine and Yoda do battle I guess.

The Obi-Wan arm cutting and lava burning theory (for vader) have been out and about for a long while now, so I figure the childbirth death is possible. The article also mentioned Vader going nuts, choking people, trashing droids, destroying the room he's in with his force powers..... after he's told he killed his bride and her unborn children. Anakin shown as the new Vader is supposidly the last 5 minutes of the movie.

[thetodd]

Leia remembers her mother being, "very sad". Lucas clearly intended that she was talking about her real mother, who was obviously sad about the turn of events in her life. We can try to explain it away by saying she was talking about a foster mother or something, but we know the truth. If Vader is told he killed Amidala and that his children died, then we must assume that at some point, he finds out the truth, at least about Luke. Why wouldn't he have sensed that Leia was his daughter when they were standing only inches apart at the start of the original Star Wars movie?

[zombie commando]

Perhaps his sense of the force was not as acute as we are led to believe by the saga.........not to mention the fact that Lucas threw in that revelation when he reached ROTJ.....in other words it was not planned ahead to be that way.

I could be wrong but I believe that in the new ESB dvd the Emperor has a new line where he reveals to Vader that his son is Luke. This would explain why Vader suddenly knew who Luke was by the end of ESB, and it would explain why he never surmised that Leia was his daughter untill the end of ROTJ. He had to probe Luke's thoughts to come to that revelation.

[Cereal Killer]

Originally posted by thetodd
Leia remembers her mother being, "very sad". Lucas clearly intended that she was talking about her real mother, who was obviously sad about the turn of events in her life. We can try to explain it away by saying she was talking about a foster mother or something, but we know the truth.
Know what truth? Is there some type of force power that's telling you Leia knew her real birth mother? :p What's your secret, guy? And could you build me a real working lightsaber? :D

I couldn't find the same site that I originally read my material at, but here's another that's (once again) almost identical in description of what happens. Even better than what I've read, this one says it's a synopsis by George Lucas. There's some minor differences, but they're very minor. The end is still the same..... Padme dies.

This one explians who Leia's stepfather and stepmother turn out to be. Keisha Castle-Hughes is going to play the queen of Naboo (Leia's stepmum), and Jimmy Smits is going to play Bail Organa (Leai's stepdad).

Anakin proceeds to kill all the Separatist leaders hiding in the Separatist base on Mustafar. Padme confronts Anakin and Obi-Wan arrives on Mustafar. Anakin chokes Padme and Force pushes her against a nearby wall, knocking her unconscious. The legendary Anakin vs. Obi-Wan duel commences. Anakin and Obi-Wan move outside the Separatist base and up the volcano, which starts to erupt.

Anakin is much more powerful than Obi-Wan, but Obi-Wan turns Anakin's colossal strength into Anakin’s weakness so that Anakin is unable to think clearly and thereby Anakin makes mistakes. Obi-Wan pushes Anakin into the molten lava pit. Lava flows endanger the lives of our heroes.

Meanwhile, R2-D2 and C-3PO have been trying to rescue Padme from the lava and they are found by Yoda and Bail Organa in the Tantive IV at the last possible moment of survival. Yoda and Organa also save Obi-Wan from the lava danger.

Padme begins to go into premature labor and our heroes land on nearby Utapau where Tion Meddon and his droids attempt to save Padme and the Skywalker twins. However, Padme dies after giving birth to the twins. She dies in the arms of Obi-Wan.

Palpatine's people remove Anakin from the lava pit and place Anakin into the Darth Vader mask and armor. When Anakin regains consciousness, he is so angry that he has caused the death of Padme that Anakin uses the Force to destroy the medical droids and lab with his mind and breaks free from being held on the table. This Force explosion even manages to disfigure Palpatine.

Through the Force, Obi-Wan and Yoda sense that Anakin is still alive. Bail Organa drops Obi-Wan and baby Luke off on Tatooine. Yoda is then taken to Dagobah. Organa then heads to Naboo and orders his captain to wipe the memory banks of R2-D2 and C-3PO.

Bail Organa with baby Leia, his wife, the Queen of Naboo, Naboo dignitaries attend Padme's funeral march on Naboo.

On Tatooine, Obi-Wan hands baby Luke over to Owen and Beru Lars.

From the deck of a star destroyer, Darth Vader, Palpatine and Tarkin watch the death star being constructed. Fade to black. Roll end credits.

Star Wars Episode 3 Star Wars Episode 3, Plot Summary Script Synopsis Story by George Lucas (http://www.supershadow.com/starwars/episode3/plot.html)

[thetodd]

Originally posted by Cereal Killer
Know what truth? Is there some type of force power that's telling you Leia knew her real birth mother? :p What's your secret, guy? And could you build me a real working lightsaber? :D

I couldn't find the same site that I originally read my material at, but here's another that's (once again) almost identical in description of what happens. Even better than what I've read, this one says it's a synopsis by George Lucas. There's some minor differences, but they're very minor. The end is still the same..... Padme dies.

This one explians who Leia's stepfather and stepmother turn out to be. Keisha Castle-Hughes is going to play the queen of Naboo (Leia's stepmum), and Jimmy Smits is going to play Bail Organa (Leai's stepdad).

[/B]
My force powers are stong, young one. Don't ever forget that. I think that Leias comments about her mother being sad are clearly intended in reference to Amidalas loss of her husband to the dark side. Why else add the comment about her mother being sad? Like I said, there are ways to explain away the comment, but I think the original intent is clear.

[Cereal Killer]

Originally posted by thetodd
My force powers are stong, young one. Don't ever forget that. I think that Leias comments about her mother being sad are clearly intended in reference to Amidalas loss of her husband to the dark side. Why else add the comment about her mother being sad? Like I said, there are ways to explain away the comment, but I think the original intent is clear.
I'm glad you refer to me as "young one". If I could only get that from my kid now, I'd be happy :p

There are a lot of inconsistencies in the saga, thetodd. Most of that has to do with Lucas deciding that he would go back and do the prequels 22 years after the first film. To make things fit they had to stretch certain elements.

I always had a problem with the new trilogy versus the old regarding Obi-Wan always referring to his teacher as Yoda (the original trilogy). In Episodes 4-6 Ben Kenobi makes Yoda as his sole teacher. There's never a reference to Qui-Gon.

Episode one shows an entirely different case with the almost ready padawan, Obi-Wan. You're left with the assumption that Qui-Gon Jinn was his only master teacher since he was a little child. Remember Yoda referring to Anakin as too old in Episode 1? That makes me believe that Qui-Gon and Obi came together when Obi was even younger than Anakin.

Obi-Wan does attain the level of Jedi at the end of episode 1, and that's without any additional traing from Master Yoda. I know they show Yoda schooling a bunch of young padawans in AOTC, but the apprentice/master thing occurs between a Jedi and his own padawan. The films and literature (even games) show that relationship as one-on-one.

Now getting back to the issue, why would Leia make reference to her mother being sad? there's pleanty of explainations they can use. Try this one on.

Maybe it has something to do with the whole collapse of the senate (the galactic government), the empire taking control of basically everything in the galaxy, and the people fighting for freedom being hunted down and refered to as rebels (kind of reminds one of the Bush administration, aye ;) ).

You have a nice theory there with Leia knowing Amidala, but I'm going with the "Lucas synopsis". I read Lucas' synopsis for both Episodes 1 and 2 (prior to their releases), and both of them were accurate..... 100%. There were no twists.

There's always the possibility that he could throw a twist, but I think the real kicker for this film is just going to be the long awaited battle, Amidala's tragic death, and certainly Vader's "birth". The story can be out there, but from what I heard, watching it is going to be absolutely phenomenal. It won't matter that you already know the story, it's the evil climax for the entire 6 films. Everyone that's seen rough edits has said it's going to be the most action/combat packed Star Wars yet.

Time will tell, but I'm going with the main man. Afterall, he is making the movie ;)

[thetodd]

I agree. There are inconsistencies and we just have to deal with them. I mean, if little ten year old Anakin was supposedly too old to begin training, how did they ever decide to train Luke? Maybe they felt they had no choice? I think Lucas did wait too long between sagas and maybe there are too many variable for him to think about. After ESB, he said he had 7 more movies to make. Obviously, he changed his mind and therefore had to alter some of the details of his story.

[Cereal Killer]

Originally posted by thetodd
I agree. There are inconsistencies and we just have to deal with them. I mean, if little ten year old Anakin was supposedly too old to begin training, how did they ever decide to train Luke? Maybe they felt they had no choice? I think Lucas did wait too long between sagas and maybe there are too many variable for him to think about. After ESB, he said he had 7 more movies to make. Obviously, he changed his mind and therefore had to alter some of the details of his story.
Yeah. It's tough..... and I think Lucas is doing a better job than most would given the content. Shit, you can usually find dozens of big inconsistancies with any shotlived series. We're talking 6 movies here with plenty of story! That's a lot to work with.

I agree with you about Luke. He was their last hope, and afterall, he did carry the Skywalker "high metaclorian count" blood.

[fanatic986]

The original trilogy is best. ORIGINAL not the stupid Special Editions. I like all things Star Wars though.

[Myers63]

I,too, voted for Empire Strikes Back.

Not only do I find it to be my FAV of the saga, it also sported some of the coolest toys of the old Kenner line :)

I guess the Special Editions didn't bother me as much as it did alot of folks. Cloud City never looked better, for instance. The only thing I disagreed with was having Jabba's singers replace the old "Lapti Nek" number sung by Sy Snootles. The part puppet/part marionette character had alot more charm than the newly digitized variant....and that new alien character that gets a close up of his tonsils as he sings makes me cringe--but other than that the new Sp Ed changes were welcomed by me :)

[atomic dog]

i agree. i loved that original song they played in jabba's plalace.

[thetodd]

Originally posted by Cereal Killer
Yeah. It's tough..... and I think Lucas is doing a better job than most would given the content. Shit, you can usually find dozens of big inconsistancies with any shotlived series. We're talking 6 movies here with plenty of story! That's a lot to work with.

I agree with you about Luke. He was their last hope, and afterall, he did carry the Skywalker "high metaclorian count" blood.
Midichlorians. That is one addition to the series that I could have done without. This is Star Wars, not Star Trek. The force is supposed to be this mystical thing, not something that can be broken down by science. I think Lucas expanded on things a little too muc with that one.
Overall, however, I think he's done a good job.

[atomic dog]

Originally posted by thetodd
Midichlorians.

wasn't that compared to mitochondrian (sp?)?

[Slab]

Originally posted by thetodd
The force is supposed to be this mystical thing, not something that can be broken down by science.

Midichlorians I believe only determine a persons potential. The force is an energy field created by all that lives, and the count determines how well the person can possibly use the force. There's still all the years of dedication, meditation, and study that one must devote to it.

Not all people are able to use the force, but they are part of what creates it. There's still some basic mysticism that the science barely scratches the surface of.

For instance, the fact that Obi-Wan, and Yoda are one with the force by the end of the saga. Not to mention Qui-Gons voice is heard when Anakin kills the Tuskens. The first instance of someone reaching from beyond death.

Still pretty mystical.

As for Anakin, I believe that the amount of damage he takes by the end of III, lessens his abilities. So much of his body is lost, therefore less midichlorians, ergo potential is hampered.

This would no doubt be why he wants Luke to join him. Vader can't defeat the Emperror alone, he needs Lukes potential to do so. He is a Sith, and eventually he'll want to be the master and take a new apprentice.

[Myers63]

Originally posted by The Slab
Midichlorians I believe only determine a persons potential. The force is an energy field created by all that lives, and the count determines how well the person can possibly use the force. There's still all the years of dedication, meditation, and study that one must devote to it.

Not all people are able to use the force, but they are part of what creates it. There's still some basic mysticism that the science barely scratches the surface of.

For instance, the fact that Obi-Wan, and Yoda are one with the force by the end of the saga. Not to mention Qui-Gons voice is heard when Anakin kills the Tuskens. The first instance of someone reaching from beyond death.

Still pretty mystical.

As for Anakin, I believe that the amount of damage he takes by the end of III, lessens his abilities. So much of his body is lost, therefore less midichlorians, ergo potential is hampered.

This would no doubt be why he wants Luke to join him. Vader can't defeat the Emperror alone, he needs Lukes potential to do so. He is a Sith, and eventually he'll want to be the master and take a new apprentice.

Well said, Steve!! :)

Your explanation makes perfect sense...I'd never really thought about it like that before. It certainly stands to reason that Vader would inevitably get drunken on his powers of the Dark Side and would aspire to become the supreme (Sith)ruler of the galaxy in Palpatine's place. Who knows?...perhaps all Sith's do that as a practice and Palpatine killed his master as well.

It's hard to believe that we're only a mere 7 months and 5 days away from the greatest of the prequels :)

[atomic dog]

Originally posted by Myers63

It's hard to believe that we're only a mere 7 months and 5 days away from the greatest of the prequels :)

damn now my mouth is watering after that comment.

[Superman]

Originally posted by atomic dog
damn now my mouth is watering after that comment. Watering? I've damn near pissed and shit my pants each time I read a new tid bit of information or see new figures coming out. I can't wait! :D

[atomic dog]

is there a date for the new figures?

[Superman]

Originally posted by atomic dog
is there a date for the new figures? Not really..I think there have been pics of some that will be coming out. I sadly admit..I don't really know when the new figs come out..I just look for them in the stores and if I'm lucky enough to find them...yea me. :D

[atomic dog]

i plan ahead so i can get them on day 1 so i can get the ones i want.

[Cereal Killer]

I don't know about new figures, but I stocked up on Vaders yesturday at the local flea-market. That shit is going to be in high demand (I should say higher demand) come May.

[Superman]

Originally posted by atomic dog
i plan ahead so i can get them on day 1 so i can get the ones i want. Oh believe you me.....My Wal-mart always has an entire aisle devoted to the new figures when a new movie comes out. They actually have it boarded up with plywood and under lock and key. lol Almost 3 yrs ago I was first in line when they opened up the aisle at midnight and when AOTC came out I was like 5th I think. I try to get one of each of them.

Originally posted by Cereal Killer
I don't know about new figures, but I stocked up on Vaders yesturday at the local flea-market. That shit is going to be in high demand (I should say higher demand) come May. Damn scalpers...I tell ya. :p

[Cereal Killer]

Originally posted by Superman
Damn scalpers...I tell ya. :p
I'm telling you..... it's really pathetic. I have the figures in a box already, but they're the 2004 editions of Vader from all three films. You won't get them in stores. Those flea market/comic shop people have their "in-store sources" picking out the goodies before it hits the shelves.

Ten bucks for a five dollar figure, but that's the only way I can get them around here :( Whatever happened to the collector's code of ethics :rolleyes:

[Superman]

Originally posted by Cereal Killer
I'm telling you..... it's really pathetic. I have the figures in a box already, but they're the 2004 editions of Vader from all three films. You won't get them in stores. Those flea market/comic shop people have their "in-store sources" picking out the goodies before it hits the shelves.

Ten bucks for a five dollar figure, but that's the only way I can get them around here :( Whatever happened to the collector's code of ethics :rolleyes: I refuse to pay scalper prices. It took me 4 yrs to complete me EP1 collection......and I have over 500 figures hanging on my bedroom wall. I have run out of room . They are starting to stack up in piles everywhere. I will go until I can't find anymore or run out of money.

[Cereal Killer]

I don't know how it is where you live, but toys like Star Wars figures don't make it the shelves here. It's really sad. I remember going all around the county looking for the original trillogy figures with my parents and grandparents (I have them all ;) ). they enjoyed the hunt as much as I did :)

Back then people just bought for their own collection..... or in my case to play with them. People are just fucking greedy now. I feel bad for the kids that are into the new trilogy. You could get the entire set back in the day with a few store hops.... now you're left paying double the store price..... or worse, bidding for shit on eBay.

[Superman]

Originally posted by Cereal Killer
I don't know how it is where you live, but toys like Star Wars figures don't make it the shelves here. It's really sad. I remember going all around the county looking for the original trillogy figures with my parents and grandparents (I have them all ;) ). they enjoyed the hunt as much as I did :)

Back then people just bought for their own collection..... or in my case to play with them. People are just fucking greedy now. I feel bad for the kids that are into the new trilogy. You could get the entire set back in the day with a few store hops.... now you're left paying double the store price..... or worse, bidding for shit on eBay. I collect to collect. It's something I really enjoy. I'm not in for the money. It has been tough at times to find certian ones....heck...I'm still missing a few from within the last 8-9 months that I don't think I'll ever see without paying scalper prices. It's a never ending battle. With a new movie coming out...and countless other figures they could make..I feel I'll be in it for a nother 3-4 years at least.

[Cereal Killer]

I hear you, Superman. I'm the same. I collect just for myself. There's nothing I buy that I won't open, and I only buy what I need..... one of each (whatever it is). If it's still in it's packaging it's because I need another curio-cabinet to put the stuff in. Movie maniacs, NECA Hellraiser figures, Star Wars figures, my lightsabers, my Masks..... yadda-yadda. They sit in curios, but they DO get handled and admired :)

[zombie commando]

I used to be really into collecting the old figures awhile back. A buddy of mine and I combined our stuff and took a picture of it for the Insider.

Man I feel like such a dork right now for revealing that tid bit.........but what can I say I was a Star Wars nut back in the day.

Oh and by the way I am a hyperspace member......so if anyone wants to see some of the new finished pics from the movie as well as conceptual art just let me know.

There is a great new pic of a clone trooper pilot looking over his shoulder at incoming enemy fighters.........

[atomic dog]

Originally posted by zombie commando
I used to be really into collecting the old figures awhile back. A buddy of mine and I combined our stuff and took a picture of it for the Insider.

Man I feel like such a dork right now for revealing that tid bit.........but what can I say I was a Star Wars nut back in the day.

Oh and by the way I am a hyperspace member......so if anyone wants to see some of the new finished pics from the movie as well as conceptual art just let me know.

There is a great new pic of a clone trooper pilot looking over his shoulder at incoming enemy fighters.........
i would like to see them from hyperspace.

[atomic dog]

Originally posted by Cereal Killer
I don't know how it is where you live, but toys like Star Wars figures don't make it the shelves here. It's really sad. I remember going all around the county looking for the original trillogy figures with my parents and grandparents (I have them all ;) ). they enjoyed the hunt as much as I did :)

Back then people just bought for their own collection..... or in my case to play with them. People are just fucking greedy now. I feel bad for the kids that are into the new trilogy. You could get the entire set back in the day with a few store hops.... now you're left paying double the store price..... or worse, bidding for shit on eBay.
you know a year or 2 back i was looking for a darth vader figure, this was about the time after AOTC was out of the theaters, and it was for my little second cousin. well he just loves darth vader. well let me tell you the shelves were empty and i had to go to 3 or 4 stores before i even found 1 or 2 figures on the shelves, let alone a darth vader. now i collect them but i'm reasonable about it. i get 1 not 8 different versions of the same damn figure. i let the little kids get them. cuz i remember the joy and feeling i got when i got a new star wars figure. it was so much fun gettign them and collecting them. they need to have some kind of restriction on these collectors, like 2 of each it allowed and no more. not 8 of each.

[zombie commando]

Newest behind the helmet pic...........

*warning slight spoilers*

[Cereal Killer]

Originally posted by atomic dog
you know a year or 2 back i was looking for a darth vader figure, this was about the time after AOTC was out of the theaters, and it was for my little second cousin. well he just loves darth vader. well let me tell you the shelves were empty and i had to go to 3 or 4 stores before i even found 1 or 2 figures on the shelves, let alone a darth vader. now i collect them but i'm reasonable about it. i get 1 not 8 different versions of the same damn figure. i let the little kids get them. cuz i remember the joy and feeling i got when i got a new star wars figure. it was so much fun gettign them and collecting them. they need to have some kind of restriction on these collectors, like 2 of each it allowed and no more. not 8 of each.
I agree with that. The way I looked at getting the three Vaders the other day (Episodes 4,5 & 6) is kids aren't going to buy them at the flea market for what those guys charge. I know my parents wouldn't have unless it was a holiday and I really had a hard-on for a certain figure :p

These were the 2004 versions I bought, but I know they're impossible to find around here despite that fact. I've gone everywhere! The only time I saw a Vader for sale was when I saw ONE Original Trilogy Commemorative Set ( Vader, The Emperor, and a Stormtrooper), and that was gone the next day :( Aside from that, I've yet to find a Vader figure by itself on the shelves. I believe in the rule of "buy one for youself".

I'm into the original trilogy more than anything else, so old Obi-Wan (Ben) Kenobi and Darth Vader stuff is what I focus on. My prized collection being my Master Repicas Obi-Wan "weathered" saber.
http://www2.masterreplicas.com/StarWars/images/sw_prod_anh_obiweathered.jpg
Even those were scalped up..... despite them costing $350. Collecting just isn't the same. Greddy bastards :mad:

[thetodd]

Originally posted by Cereal Killer
I'm telling you..... it's really pathetic. I have the figures in a box already, but they're the 2004 editions of Vader from all three films. You won't get them in stores. Those flea market/comic shop people have their "in-store sources" picking out the goodies before it hits the shelves.

Ten bucks for a five dollar figure, but that's the only way I can get them around here :( Whatever happened to the collector's code of ethics :rolleyes:
I guess it's all about money. I've noticed the same things you pointed out.

[Phatmaster2k8]

Well like everyone of you guys already know here is the teaser poster for Ep. 3. I for one don't like it all too much.

http://www.joblo.com/index.php?id=5678

And please don't tell me somebody is actually giving money to buy the poster with two coffe mugs and a T-Shirt.....

[Darth Hegga]

i dont like the teaser poster either it looks like something from the star wars comic!
anyway just a quick question,why did lucasfilm release a silver box set and a gold 1?i say this because you know the sides of ep1 & 2 dvd, starwars is in gold but the trilogy dvds of mine r silver.so they dont match and that annoys me.does anyone own the gold boxset?ifso is starwars in gold to match ep1,2?
dont mean to sound picky but i just like my covers to match.

[Phatmaster2k8]

Originally posted by Darth Hegga
i dont like the teaser poster either it looks like something from the star wars comic!
anyway just a quick question,why did lucasfilm release a silver box set and a gold 1?i say this because you know the sides of ep1 & 2 dvd, starwars is in gold but the trilogy dvds of mine r silver.so they dont match and that annoys me.does anyone own the gold boxset?ifso is starwars in gold to match ep1,2?
dont mean to sound picky but i just like my covers to match.

They were made to distingush the widescreen editions to the fullscreen editions, thats all.

[thetodd]

The trailer for the Revenge of the Sith looks awesome. I wasn't as pumped up about seeing that movie as I should have been until they released the trailer. Seeing Darth Vader rise from that table gave me goose bumps.

[Annie]

Originally posted by thetodd
The trailer for the Revenge of the Sith looks awesome. I wasn't as pumped up about seeing that movie as I should have been until they released the trailer. Seeing Darth Vader rise from that table gave me goose bumps.

Ron showed it to me the other night online, and it looks GOOD. I can't stand Natalie Portman, but the movies still kick ass.

Hayden's getting DAMN sexy, too.

:)

[Thrillogy]

seeing vader rise up was kick ass! hehe anie great ava by the way ;)


cant wait until may!

[Annie]

Originally posted by Thrillogy
seeing vader rise up was kick ass! hehe anie great ava by the way ;)


cant wait until may!

I know, it'll be here before we know it, baby!

[Ska]

I don't know,afetr seeing that trailer,May has never semed so far away.........

I also pissed my pants and cried after that trailer,both my friends who were with me were holdong me down,i was so excited.Anakins fall is going to be such an amazing in-deoth character change,I can't wait,plus i ant wait to see my favorite,Ob-Wan,kick the shit outta him.......:)

[Annie]

True, true.

I hope they show "Anny" fall into the acid pit. That would be sooo bad-ass.

[Spongerboy]

In ESB when Obi-Wan tells yoda
"that boy is our last hope"
and yoda says
"no... their will be another."
Who was he reffering to.
And they kept saying that Yoda trained Obi-Wan when in reality it was Qui-Gon-Jinn!?

[Chomp_on_this]

Princess Leia

[thetodd]

Originally posted by Spongerboy
In ESB when Obi-Wan tells yoda
"that boy is our last hope"
and yoda says
"no... their will be another."
Who was he reffering to.
And they kept saying that Yoda trained Obi-Wan when in reality it was Qui-Gon-Jinn!?
He was talking about Princess Leia, the other Skywalker.
As far as the statements in the original series about how Yoda trained Obi-Wan, in the Attack of The Clones, we see Yoda training a room full of very young Jedi. Maybe Yoda and other Jedis train the young would be jedis until a certain age, after which their training is turned over to a single Jedi? The more likely scenario is that Lucas hadn't fully thought out the back story when the statements were made about Yoda being Obi-Wans trainer, and so they had to have that scene in AOTC with Yoda training the young jedi in order to explain how both Yoda and Qui-Gonjin could be Obi-Wans trainers.

[Slab]

Yoda trains the younglings up until a certain age, then they are apprenticed to another jedi.

[Cereal Killer]

Originally posted by Spongerboy

And they kept saying that Yoda trained Obi-Wan when in reality it was Qui-Gon-Jinn!?
It was a plot hole that was fixed with the Yoda group training scene in AOTC.

Not the best, but I guess Lucas had no other options.

[The Dark Shape]

It gets the job done. If you'd seen the films I - VI, would you freak out in Empire when Obi-Wan mentioned Yoda as his instructor?

[Slab]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
If you'd seen the films I - VI, would you freak out in Empire when Obi-Wan mentioned Yoda as his instructor?

I wouldn't because Yoda was the only living master, and would have instructed Obi Wan as a youngling. So it does end up being an accurate statement if not completely detailed.

[#1FreddyFan]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
the Force

That's your excuse for everything! ;)


And Yoda training the younglings scene in Ep 2 aside, all Obi Wan said to Luke on Hoth was "There you will learn from Yoda, the Jedi Master who instructed me". He didn't say that Yoda was HIS "Master", just that he was instructed by him. Obi Wan was also instructed by Mace Windu and probably Dooku as well at some point in his training. It's stated that there is 1 master and 1 apprentice, but it's never said that these 2 people are in some kind of quarantine while training, or that a Padawan learns NOTHING from ANYONE else. Obi Wan learned things from Yoda as well as Qui Gon.

People seem to be reading too much into THEIR *PERCEPTIONS* of what Obi Wan *MEANT*, and not enough into the actual WORDS SAID. As Obi Wan even said in Return Of The Jedi "You'll find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view"

[Donnie Darko]

Originally posted by #1FreddyFan
That's your excuse for everything! ;)

nice Clerks quote there #1

[#1FreddyFan]

I'm glad someone recognized that so quickly ;)

[zombie commando]

from www.bobanddavid.com

I LOVE STAR WARS!

George Lucas recently gave an interview to ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY to promote the release of the “directors cut” versions of the first three STAR WARS movies that just came out on DVD. What follows are actual real (true!) quotes from George, along with what I would say if he said that shit to me…

DOUG BENSON: Why the fuck did you have to go and add a bunch of useless crap to the original trilogy?

GEORGE LUCAS: When STAR WARS came out, I said it didn’t turn out the way I wanted—it’s 25 percent of what I wanted it to be.

DOUG BENSON: 75 percent of the movie wasn’t there? Funny, it seemed pretty complete to me.

GL: So the choice came down to, do I please myself and [finally] make the movie I wanted, or do I allow the audience to see the half-finished version that they fell in love with?

DB: Half-finished? That’s only 50 percent.

GL: If you really look at it, there’s hardly any changes at all.

DB: First you say 75 percent, then 50 percent, then hardly any changes…are you retarded?

GL: The thing that really caused the trouble on STAR WARS is the whole question of whether Han Solo or Greedo shoots first.

DB: Yeah, Han Solo understandably shoots Greedo because Greedo is holding him at gunpoint.

GL: He didn’t shoot first.

DB: But he did. I saw it. At least 50 times.

GL: In my mind [Greedo] shot first or at the same time.

DB: Sounds like you really don’t know what your mind thinks.

GL: We like to think of [Han Solo] as a murderer because that’s hip...

DB: Yeah, murderers are awesome!!

GL: I mean, I don’t see how you can redeem somebody who kills people in cold blood.

DB: Greedo, the green ant-eater faced monster, is a person now? You’re so crazy, I wanna have your baby.

GL: Every other change is, you know, I wanted to have a good matte painting in here.

DB: So you’re saying STAR WARS is 75 percent matte paintings? I thought it was mostly characters and plot and shit. But then again, I’m not a filmmaking genius, I’m just an asshole comedian.

GL: Half of directing is great casting.

DB: You should really stop throwing around percentages.

GL: It really is. If you cast it right, you don’t have to do much work.

DB: That kid you hired to play young Anakin in PHANTOM MENACE was terrific.

GL: I said, well [PHANTOM MENACE] is not going to work because I’m making it about a ten-year-old boy, and nobody is going to want to see this.

DB: I certainly wish I didn’t.

GL: And then [ATTACK OF THE CLONES] is a love story.

DB: No wonder I didn’t like it. Love is stupid.

GL: It’s not a hip, happening romantic comedy with the Olsen twins.

DB: Um, I know you’ve been busy making horrible movies, but there’s no such thing as a hip, happening romantic comedy with the Olsen twins.

GL: So at least Darth Vader is in [EPISODE III]. Only for two minutes, but he’s in it. If you take them all together it’s a fascinating saga.

DB: Oh, I get it, if I see EPISODE III next May it will magically make EPISODES I and II not suck. I’m gonna go get in line right now!

[TheShape66]

LMAO!!!!!!! That was some funny shit ZC!!!!!!!

[thetodd]

That's some of the funniest stuff I've seen in a long time. If only you could actualy ask Lucas pointed questions like that. The whole debate about whether Han or Greedo fired first is bullshit.
Greedo was holding Han at gunpoint. Han had every right to shoot first. What sense would it make to allow your attacker to shoot first before you act to defend yourself? Lucas went way overboard by making such a big deal out of that. Lucas also needs to admit that he didn't think things through as well as he should have before writing the prequels. He also needs to quit tinkering with the originals so much. What sense did it make to replace the older version of Anakin originally seen as an apparation along with Obi-Wan and Yoda at the end of Return of the Jedi with the younger Hayden Christianson version? If he was going to do that, then why not replace Alec Guiness with Ewan McGreggor as well?

[Slab]

Originally posted by thetodd
What sense did it make to replace the older version of Anakin originally seen as an apparation along with Obi-Wan and Yoda at the end of Return of the Jedi with the younger Hayden Christianson version? If he was going to do that, then why not replace Alec Guiness with Ewan McGreggor as well?

The way it works is that when you become one with the force, you retain your true identity. Since Anakin basically "died" when Darth vader was "born", it works that when he returns to the light side he is Anakin again, therefore young.

Obi Wan and Yoda never lost themselves, so they went into the force looking the way they did when they died.

Hayden represents Anakin, and Shaw represents Darth vader.

[Annie]

I was watching the little snippet they have on "Sith" that's on the Star Wars DVD collection, and it's bloody WICKED when Hayden's fitted into the Darth Vader helmet.

So reminiscent!:eek:

[Cereal Killer]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
It gets the job done. If you'd seen the films I - VI, would you freak out in Empire when Obi-Wan mentioned Yoda as his instructor?
I wouldn't (and didn't) freak out, but I still see it as a vague plot hole. I can't help it though, I was a child of the original trillogy..... long before Lucas decided to go back and do the prequels.

We were force fed the idea (in episodes 4-6) that Yoda was Obi-Wan's "trainer"..... or Jedi Master. In Episode 1 it's stated that "it's against the code" to have more than one Padawan learner..... so the whole "Qui-Gon/Yoda being Obi's master" is basically a plot hole. Episode 1 also shows us that Yoda wasn't the one who really trained (or was Master to) Obi-Wan, it actually was Qui-Gon. Episode 2 puts a little band-aid on the plot hole by showing Yoda training a bunch of younger students..... not even Padawan learners yet, perhaps? It makes you think that's what "Ben" meant in ESB, but it is rather weak, IMHO.

It's not too bad of a hole (as opposed to most horror series' holes), but it's still a hole none-the-less. It does leave you wondering, as all film holes do.

Originally posted by thetodd
He also needs to quit tinkering with the originals so much. What sense did it make to replace the older version of Anakin originally seen as an apparation along with Obi-Wan and Yoda at the end of Return of the Jedi with the younger Hayden Christianson version? If he was going to do that, then why not replace Alec Guiness with Ewan McGreggor as well?
I couldn't agree with you more, thetodd. I think that's a first after the political threads :p

Honestly though, that was the worst change Lucas has done to the trillogy..... it makes me rather ill.

Originally posted by The Slab
The way it works is that when you become one with the force, you retain your true identity. Since Anakin basically "died" when Darth vader was "born", it works that when he returns to the light side he is Anakin again, therefore young.

Obi Wan and Yoda never lost themselves, so they went into the force looking the way they did when they died.

Hayden represents Anakin, and Shaw represents Darth vader.
That's true, but Vader did turn back over to the light side of the force when he killed his master, Emperor Palpatine. That, in essence, ended the whole rebel/empire conflict in one second.

He died to save his son, he killed the evil dictator that ruled the gallaxy using fear. What more could he have sone to show that he was still good at heart?

It was a good enough ending for the original trillogy, and Lucas schmucking up that scene is just pitiful. It left a nice glow at the end of the ROTJ to see the three cheerfully standing side-by-side like that..... and please keep in mind that's how this three (now 6) movie tale was meant to end, originally.

Lucas (of all things) has to tamper with the very last scene we're left with from this saga. The whole Hayden fill in just stinks (kind of like his acting)..... period.

Originally posted by Annie
I was watching the little snippet they have on "Sith" that's on the Star Wars DVD collection, and it's bloody WICKED when Hayden's fitted into the Darth Vader helmet.

So reminiscent!:eek:
I agree, but he was nowhere near as cool as David Prowse :p
http://www.robotsdontbleed.com/images/julian.jpg

[Cereal Killer]

Originally posted by Cereal Killer
I wouldn't (and didn't) freak out, but I still see it as a vague plot hole. I can't help it though, I was a child of the original trillogy..... long before Lucas decided to go back and do the prequels.

We were force fed the idea (in episodes 4-6) that Yoda was Obi-Wan's "trainer"..... or Jedi Master. In Episode 1 it's stated that "it's against the code" to have more than one Padawan learner..... so the whole "Qui-Gon/Yoda being Obi's master" is basically a plot hole. Episode 1 also shows us that Yoda wasn't the one who really trained (or was Master to) Obi-Wan, it actually was Qui-Gon. Episode 2 puts a little band-aid on the plot hole by showing Yoda training a bunch of younger students..... not even Padawan learners yet, perhaps? It makes you think that's what "Ben" meant in ESB, but it is rather weak, IMHO.

It's not too bad of a hole (as opposed to most horror series' holes), but it's still a hole none-the-less. It does leave you wondering, as all film holes do.


I couldn't agree with you more, thetodd. I think that's a first after the political threads :p

Honestly though, that was the worst change Lucas has done to the trillogy..... it makes me rather ill.


That's true, but Vader did turn back over to the light side of the force when he killed his master, Emperor Palpatine. That, in essence, ended the whole rebel/empire conflict in one second.

He died to save his son, he killed the evil dictator that ruled the gallaxy using fear. What more could he have sone to show that he was still good at heart?

It was a good enough ending for the original trillogy, and Lucas schmucking up that scene is just pitiful. It left a nice glow at the end of the ROTJ to see the three cheerfully standing side-by-side like that..... and please keep in mind that's how this three (now 6) movie tale was meant to end, originally.

Lucas (of all things) has to tamper with the very last scene we're left with from this saga. The whole Hayden fill in just stinks (kind of like his acting)..... period.


I agree, but he was nowhere near as cool as David Prowse :p
http://www.robotsdontbleed.com/images/julian.jpg

[The Dark Shape]

Originally posted by Cereal Killer
It was a good enough ending for the original trillogy, and Lucas schmucking up that scene is just pitiful. It left a nice glow at the end of the ROTJ to see the three cheerfully standing side-by-side like that..... and please keep in mind that's how this three (now 6) movie tale was meant to end, originally.

Lucas (of all things) has to tamper with the very last scene we're left with from this saga. The whole Hayden fill in just stinks (kind of like his acting)..... period.

It might also have had to do with an 80-year-old playing a character who's supposed to be 44.

[Cereal Killer]

Originally posted by The Dark Shape
It might also have had to do with an 80-year-old playing a character who's supposed to be 44.
Shaw was actually 78 when he played the Anakin role in 1983, and I don't think Lucas ever gave a specific age for Vader ;)

Lucas had said that Vader's appearance is very tired and aged, and that he is in his later 40's at the end of the series (ROTJ). Anakin (Shaw), however, doesn't look 78 at the end of ROTJ when standing with Yoda and Ben. I don't know if you have the original VHS tapes to watch, but he looks more like a man in his 50's (maybe an early aged 40's) at the end of ROTJ.

Anyways, if you want to go with the whole aged Anakin idea (that he was too old looking of an actor at 80), then why didn't they change the Vader face during the unmasking scene? He obviously used the 80 year old man (who had the early twenties son Luke) for a reason, no?

Lucas chose Sebastian Shaw because he looked like a very aged and tired Vader during the unmasking (the guy was 78 y/o afterall), but he looked much younger when he wasn't in all that make-up and such.

That was the climax for the entire original trillogy when I grew up on it, and I think Lucas did an unjustice to the series by altering such an important scene.

The whole message I (and others) got from that scene was that it's never too late to change your ways..... to make amends for one's past actions. Lucas' "Hayden install" craps on that whole principle of Vader still being a Jedi "with a little good left". The whole peak to the entire series is Anakin and his "restoring balance to the force". He did that when he killed his emperor master in ROTJ.

Yoda dies old and he appeared in spirit as old. Kenobi died old and he appeared in spirit as old. Anakin died old after having destroyed the evil Sith master, and he appeared in spirit old and non-disfigured. It was perfect and it never should've been altered to "fit in" with the prequels. Putting Hayden in there belittles the whole act of Anakin balancing the force by giving his life for his son..... and giving his life for the sake of the innocent people the emperor was to kill.

His appearance as Anakin died when he turned to Vader..... or whatever..... Blah.

Worst thing Lucas could've done, IMO :(

[Creepingmouth]

Originally posted by Cereal Killer
....His appearance as Anakin died when he turned to Vader..... or whatever..... Blah.

Worst thing Lucas could've done, IMO :(

agreed with the whole post.

Luca's should have never touched the Star Wars trilogy makin those two (and I'm waiting to see the final 3rd episode) useless movies.Lots of great special effects but the story is far away from being at the same level of the first three movies (episodes IV-V-VI).

[thetodd]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that having Hayden Chrisitanson standing next to Obi-Wan at the end of ROTJ instead of Sebastian Shaw, was lame. I only hope that someday we will have a dvd of the original movies before Lucas started "improving" them. I also think that showing Yoda training the young jedi wannabes was a half assed attempt to reconcile Obi-Wans statements about Yoda being his trainer with the Phantom Menace reality that it was Qui-Gon Jin.

[Annie]

It was weird to see the new Jedi ending with Hayden. I mean, if they were having him in it, why not Ewan McGregor too???:rolleyes:

[Ringu]

I just saw the trailer and this looks to be one hell of a movie, I can't wait, only 6 more months!

[Slab]

Originally posted by Annie
It was weird to see the new Jedi ending with Hayden. I mean, if they were having him in it, why not Ewan McGregor too???:rolleyes:

Read back a few posts. :)

Well maybe more than a few, but the previous page none the less.

[The Dark Shape]

Originally posted by thetodd
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that having Hayden Chrisitanson standing next to Obi-Wan at the end of ROTJ instead of Sebastian Shaw, was lame. I only hope that someday we will have a dvd of the original movies before Lucas started "improving" them. I also think that showing Yoda training the young jedi wannabes was a half assed attempt to reconcile O