Halloween permutations

[Khorne23]

Just a quick, little thought experiment for all youse forum members out dere. Would you ever go see a Halloween film in which Michael Myers - our dear Shape - was the hero, or, at least, was the lesser of two evils (the anti-hero?), and what would your reaction be?

[Evil Never Dies]

Well. I'm not sure. It would be out of his character but i'd still go a see the movie.

[Superman]

I'd see it. If it's a Halloween movie I'd see it and enjoy it. Sometimes change can be good.

[urg]

if michael were to be a hero or the lesser of two evils, it would probably take place in a verses movie, and i for one don't want to see that.

[Icebreaker_8605]

Originally posted by Evil Never Dies
Well. I'm not sure. It would be out of his character but i'd still go a see the movie.

I agree with you. Even though it would seem very unlike Michael, sure I'd check it out.

[LoomisFan4Life]

I would go see it, but I don't like the idea at all.

[ShadowX81]

Id see it. i love the idea!

[Silverpsycho]

I'd see it. I love Mikey :D

[Loomis 91]

Originally posted by LoomisFan4Life
I would go see it, but I don't like the idea at all.

Ditto

[MMyers89]

I'd see it, but I think the idea is HORRIBLE

[shorty77]

i would see it but i dont want him to ever be hero.anti hero, it would ruin the whole series, not like any other movies have already done some of that damage :cough:halloween 3 :cough:

[MMyers89]

Originally posted by shorty77
:cough:halloween 3 :cough:

So true, my good friend, so true.

[MichaelMyers]

Maybe if Michael was killing all the guys from H3 who were making the commercial and masks. Then I wouldn't mind seeing it at all. Michael would sort of be the hero by saving all of the families who bought the masks but the only reason he would do this is to kill more people by himself later on.

[NCamp]

I wouldnt like it at all. He isnt a good guy. Like urg said, it sounds like a versus movie, and even then I wouldnt want him to be the lesser of two evils....Michael is, purely and simply....evil!

[Dr. Wynn]

in H6 (more so in the P Cut) he was the lesser of the 2 evils
the greater villian being Wynn ;)

ahhh I love my Wynn :D

[kane]

What about Myers VS Jason? Jason is just a 'knock-off' on Myers, anyway. I'd love to see Myerrs kick butt!

[thetodd]

In Hannibal, Dr. Lecter was actually the lesser of two evils and it worked just fine. I don't know who they would put in a Halloween movie that would make Michael the hero, for lack of a better term, though.

[PhantomPhart]

Maybe Chuck Norris could be in it as the anti christ and then Myers would try to kill him?

Here's an early pic of how Norris could look:
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1527/tri478f1qp.jpg

I think i agree with the person that said it would have to be a VS movie and i'm dead set against that. So no i wouldn't see it.

(aka: I'd watch it but i wouldn't like it :p)

[saber372]

i think he was the lesser of two evils in that last one....damn busta rhymes...

[Frazetta]

Originally posted by PhantomPhart
Maybe Chuck Norris could be in it as the anti christ and then Myers would try to kill him?

Here's an early pic of how Norris could look:
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1527/tri478f1qp.jpg

I think i agree with the person that said it would have to be a VS movie and i'm dead set against that. So no i wouldn't see it.

(aka: I'd watch it but i wouldn't like it :p) We all know from Busta in Halloween:Resurrection that Michael is no match for the fine art of Kung Fu so Chuck would totally outmatch him ;)

Asfar as Michael being the lesser of 2 evils I'd go see it but I can't say that the idea is very exciting. Michael is, was & always will be the very definition of evil.

[Lonnie_Elamb]

Besides a Vs movie, I can't see many good ideas for this. Maybe, thorn could be ready to take over the world or something, and they're gonna do some kind of strange ritual or some crap, and right as Wynn or whoever the leader could be, is about to finish, Michael suddenly turns his back on them and kills them for some reason. Yeah, kind of like H6 in a way, but could be more high scale somehow. It could work, but highly unlikely. Hopefully they don't do something like this, but if done right, they could find something to work. He couldn't be the good guy during the whole movie though, maybe in the end he could do something to end up being the hero. Weird idea though. Good topic.

[freethy]

Originally posted by Superman
I'd see it. If it's a Halloween movie I'd see it and enjoy it. Sometimes change can be good. What if it's shit like the last one? You'll still enjoy it?

[Lonnie_Elamb]

Originally posted by freethy
What if it's shit like the last one? You'll still enjoy it?

Actually, as long as Michael Myers(Not Mike Myers, not the football or baseball star.), is in the movie, I'll go and see it.

[Khorne23]

Originally posted by thetodd
In Hannibal, Dr. Lecter was actually the lesser of two evils and it worked just fine. I don't know who they would put in a Halloween movie that would make Michael the hero, for lack of a better term, though.

One of the reasons why I didn't go and see either "Wolf Creek" or "Hostel" was that I knew I'd sit there through the whole thing saying "These guys may be bad, but they wouldn't stand up to Michael Myers". Its an odd situation when you wish the Shape would happen to the villains.

If you want to do a versus movie with Michael in it, or somehow make him the "hero", that's how you'd do it, I think: make the evil of the "distinguished opposition" so horrible that Michael, killer of innocents and Thorn-spawned stalking scapegoat (if you're into that storyline) is somehow better, or more benevolent, than they are, simply because Michael is only concerned with the kill, not the cruelty.

I don't think anyone would argue with me that Michael is a "nicer guy" than the villains of "Wolf Creek" and "Hostel", to say nothing of Leatherface (especially in the recent TCM remake), Pinhead, and Hannibal Lecter. Funny thing is, I've never viewed Michael as an evil being, but more as he is described in the Halloween 20th anniversary featurette: as a supernatural hurricane. You can't say a hurricane or an earthquake is evil simply because it kills a lot of people, and Michael, as a being devoid of personality...of pure id...certainly fits that bill.

When I first got into the series, because of H20 back in '98, and hungered for all things Halloween, I came across a few examples of fan fiction where that was precisely what had happened. I remember one where Michael stopped off on his way to Summer Glen to terrorize two thinly-veiled analogues of Leonard Lake and Charles Ng, and another where Michael was returned from the dead following H20 for the expressed purpose of slaughtering a snuff movie operation in Chicago.

[Chaosboy]

Ok, first off how could the "ultimate evil" be the hero??.......by accident??...........unless you want the guy killing innocents to be the hero........he won't be. What is more evil than MM anyways??

[MichaelMyers04]

I'd see it, but I don't think that's a good idea (same with remake). Who knows, once I see it the idea may grow on me, but right now I don't like it

[Bucky-lives]

Originally posted by Khorne23

I don't think anyone would argue with me that Michael is a "nicer guy" than the villains of "Wolf Creek" and "Hostel", to say nothing of Leatherface (especially in the recent TCM remake), Pinhead, and Hannibal Lecter. I would. He's not nicer. Especially if you include H4-6. Not only did Michael try to kill his own niece he also raped her. I don't see that as something a nice guy would do.

[Khorne23]

Originally posted by Bucky-lives
I would. He's not nicer. Especially if you include H4-6. Not only did Michael try to kill his own niece he also raped her. I don't see that as something a nice guy would do.

I haven't seen him vivisecting people, or torturting his victims, either. Besides, we don't know he raped Jami.

*prepares for flames*

I cannot recall any action or dialogue, seen onscreen in the theatrical release of Halloween 6 (the only version of that film which I've seen, and what must be considered the 'official' version) which says that Michael is the father of Jami's baby. We've all been relying on what we've heard others say about the alternate, producer's version of Halloween 6.

This is 'friend of a friend' stuff at its best.

[Horror Kitten]

Originally posted by Dr. Wynn
in H6 (more so in the P Cut) he was the lesser of the 2 evils
the greater villian being Wynn ;)

That's what I was thinking when I read this question, it's kinda like the Thorn plot.

[saber372]

Originally posted by Khorne23
I haven't seen him vivisecting people, or torturting his victims, either. Besides, we don't know he raped Jami.

*prepares for flames*

I cannot recall any action or dialogue, seen onscreen in the theatrical release of Halloween 6 (the only version of that film which I've seen, and what must be considered the 'official' version) which says that Michael is the father of Jami's baby. We've all been relying on what we've heard others say about the alternate, producer's version of Halloween 6.

This is 'friend of a friend' stuff at its best.

yes, he was the father, it was implied with when tommy explained what michael was doing, he had to kill the next his next of kin..and it is in the producers cut as well...regardless though, you always have to root for michael.

[Khorne23]

Originally posted by saber372
yes, he was the father, it was implied with when tommy explained what michael was doing

*sigh*

I wonder if anyone actually reads the words I post? Hollywood, being the great stinking morass which it is, if something isn't explicitly stated or shown, it doesn't necessarily happen. That's the fuzzy logic I'm sure we'll all groan under when they bring Laurie Strode back in the next movie: "Well, you didn't actually SEE her die."

...he had to kill the next his next of kin..and it is in the producers cut as well...

The producer's cut doesn't count, for two reasons:

1) It was never theatrically released. That means, once more, thanks to the fuzzy logic Hollywood operates under, that none of the events which occurred in the Producer's cut of Halloween 6, nor any 'facts' revealed in it, actually happened. If you didn't have to buy a ticket or pay a rental fee to see it, as far as Hollywood is concerned, it didn't happen.

2) Thanks to the re-write of Halloween continuity we all now enjoy due to Kevin Williamson and H20, neither producer's nor theatrical version of Halloween 6 counts anymore. We're not just talking a version of a movie, nor even the movie itself, but three whole movies and a huge chunk of continuity ARE ALL GONE.

Kaput!

Don't matter anymore.

Might as well cut out the part of your brain where the memory is stored, 'coz you don't need it any more.

[saber372]

i was meerel clarifying yous aid you werent sure if it was the truth that it happened because you heard it from a friend, so i was confirming what your friend said, and yes. tommy doyle did say that in the producers cut. so i guess i did read your words. maybeyou jsut forgot what you said

[DarknessBDJM]

Not unless it was completely out of the main storyline continuity, like a Freddy vs. Jason vs. Michael film.