Kane Hodder as Michael Myers

[Khorne23]

I received the "Friday the 13th Ultimate Edition DVD Collection" as an early Christmas present, and I've spent tonight enjoying the special features disc. It contains many interviews with Kane Hodder, the stuntman-cum-actor who played Jason in the last four true Friday the 13th films (Friday the 13th 7 through Jason X).

I remember reading in the summer of 2003 that Hodder had expressed an interest in playing Michael Myers, after he had lost the role of Jason to Ken Kirzinger for "Freddy vs. Jason". At the time, I didn't think anything of it, but after seeing the interviews with him on this DVD, and seeing what he brought to the role of Jason, I've been thinking about Hodder playing Michael some more, and I'm wondering: why not?

What practical reasons would rule Hodder out as Michael?

He does have the acting chops, having played essentially the same character four times (especially in the last five or six Friday the 13th's and in "Freddy vs. Jason", there is essentially no difference between Michael Myers and Jason Voorhees), in the last four "official" Friday movies. Not even George Wilbur, who has played Michael the most, has similar experience. Further, Hodder seems to be a thoughtful guy, and he sounds like he would add dept to the character of Michael Myers.

So tell me: why should Kane Hodder NOT play Michael Myers?

[boogeyman87]

He should not becuase he's too big, a prissy guy who wines when he doesnt get his way , and... that pretty much sums it up. :)

[war dog]

I say Kramer from Seinfeld, He Has the hair already!!! HA, HA,HA!!!!!!!

[horror83]

they told us that kane was offered the role but they said no because kane was in the friday the 13th films we were sort of disappointed that they didn't take him

[Beau]

Jason is taller than Michael. Michael is big also but at an certin hight, Jason is a fucking zombie and is very big. Hodder wouldn't get the part.

[King Sly Joker]

To tall ,it would be as if Michael was trying out for the NBA or something.We all have seen Michael go threw size changes over the years.But Height has always seem the same.This would be to much to accept..

[thetodd]

Well, for one thing, Kane Hodder had every right to be pissed about not getting to play Jason in Freddy vs Jason. He had dedicated himself to the role and to many people, he IS Jason.
But no, I wouldn't want him playing Michael Myers. I think he would bring too much of Jason to the role.

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by thetodd
Well, for one thing, Kane Hodder had every right to be pissed about not getting to play Jason in Freddy vs Jason. He had dedicated himself to the role and to many people, he IS Jason.
But no, I wouldn't want him playing Michael Myers. I think he would bring too much of Jason to the role.

Well Kane is a winey baby who cried when he didnt get the role. The role isnt contracted to him. He hasnt been Jason for the entire series. Just because he became a psycho and thinks he is Jason doesnt open doors or roles for him. Again he wouldnt be right for the role because he is too huge and would cause many problems on the set. :)

[Beau]

Originally posted by thetodd
Well, for one thing, Kane Hodder had every right to be pissed about not getting to play Jason in Freddy vs Jason. He had dedicated himself to the role and to many people, he IS Jason.
But no, I wouldn't want him playing Michael Myers. I think he would bring too much of Jason to the role.

I think Dick Warlock of even George W. Wilber should return to do halloween 9.

[King Sly Joker]

Originally posted by Beau
I think Dick Warlock of even George W. Wilber should return to do halloween 9.

Yeah bring Warlock back,he was the best Michael..

[Nils]

but he'd be too small...he's already 64...and a bit too small;)

[NeewollaH]

Personally, I think it would be pretty cool to see what he could do with the role. So what if he's been Jason? They're too completely different characters! I'm sure he isn't going to walk into the audition and strut his best Jason "look the way I'm going to turn before I actually turn" walk. He was a stuntman, but he can techinically be called an actor now. Actors mold themselves around their roles in different movies. I'm sure Kane can mold around a new slasher. I guess I'm the only one who would think this would be pretty cool.

Besides, look at it this way. The sereies is soooo far down the tubes anyways, that it doesn't matter who plays Michael, unless of coruse you're super paranoid and have a stick up your ass. Kane for HalloweN 9.

[Evil Never Dies]

I'm sorry, but Kane wouldn't really bring anything good. I would like if they just got someone that has already done Michael, back for part 9.

[LoomisFan4Life]

I just think he is too darn big to play Michael. Not just height but his whole upper body is just huge and it would look wierd. But hey they could do alot worse than Kane Hodder.

[thetodd]

Originally posted by boogeyman87
Well Kane is a winey baby who cried when he didnt get the role. The role isnt contracted to him. He hasnt been Jason for the entire series. Just because he became a psycho and thinks he is Jason doesnt open doors or roles for him. Again he wouldnt be right for the role because he is too huge and would cause many problems on the set. :)
Why does being upset about being passed up for the role of Jason in Freddy vs Jason make Kane a "whiney baby"? No, he hasn't played Jason for the whole series, but he has played him in several movies. I think most people in his position would have been pissed. I don't want him playing Michael (Brad Loree did a great job and they should bring him back for H9), but I honestly don't blame him for being disappointed.

[Khorne23]

I know saying this is going to get me in trouble, but here goes. Michael Myers and Jason Voorhees are essentially the same character. Steve Miner says that Jason was created to intentionally rip off Michael. Sean Cunningham says that they weren't sure what to do with the sequel to Friday the 13th, and looked all over for inspiration. Obviously, for the first few Friday the 13th movies, they made Jason just different enough from michael so that the comparisons wouldn't happen.

That's why Jason is more vigorous and actually makes nosies in the first five or so films.

I doubt it was done deliberately, but after the Halloween series went into the tank and Friday the 13th had taken over the mantle as the pre-eminent slasher franchise, there was no longer any need to avoid the comparison, and Jason could do what I'm sure had been the intention all along, and be a better Michael Myers than Michael Myers. Starting with Friday the 13th part 5, Jason becomes exactly the same sort of silent stalker that Michael always was (I say this having watched the first seven movies back to back over the last two days).

Then you get "Freddy vs. Jason", and if there was any doubt, its gone now. You can't tell me that Ken Kirzinger wasn't playing Michael Myers in "F vs. J".

In fact, maybe Ken Kirzinger should play Michael in the next movie.

Anyway, the two are the same character. Change the place names to Haddonfield, and swap the goalie mask for a Halloween mask, and you'd never know the difference. So Kane Hodder has actually been playing Michael all along.

[FTL]

Originally posted by Khorne23
Starting with Friday the 13th part 5, Jason becomes exactly the same sort of silent stalker that Michael always was (I say this having watched the first seven movies back to back over the last two days).

Then you should know it was Roy who was the killer in ANB. Jason didn't quit the scampering around til Jason Lives, but even then he sped-walked.

Originally posted by Khorne23
Anyway, the two are the same character. Change the place names to Haddonfield, and swap the goalie mask for a Halloween mask, and you'd never know the difference. So Kane Hodder has actually been playing Michael all along.

I'm disagreeing with this. Kane has done unique things with Jason that separated him from "playing Michael all along." He would make grunts and growls, breathe heavily, show sentiment, that shit. Maybe some one can go more in depth on the description, but a few know what I'm talking about.

[LoomisFan4Life]

yeah they are not the same character at all. I understand where you are coming from because they are sorta similiar but Michael always stalks his vicitms where as in the later Friday Films Jason just slaughters them right when he gets the chance.

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by thetodd
Why does being upset about being passed up for the role of Jason in Freddy vs Jason make Kane a "whiney baby"? No, he hasn't played Jason for the whole series, but he has played him in several movies. I think most people in his position would have been pissed. I don't want him playing Michael (Brad Loree did a great job and they should bring him back for H9), but I honestly don't blame him for being disappointed.


Its makes him a "whiney bitch" becuase he complained about it nonstop when he didnt get it. He made coments towards Ken that he wish he could what he did to him in Jason Takes Manhattan. He appeared bitter. He hasnt been with the series for "several" movies, sure i know five is close to alot but its not the entire series. Which i'm getting at. He came in halfway through the series did a okay job at being Jason. H egot too clingy to the role. :)

[Beau]

What i want to know is, why didn't Hodder get the part. He had previously been in 4 friday films. I thought because of that he would of just been picked straight away.

[horror83]

i was thinking they should bring in Dick Warlock for a cameo that would be pretty cool in H9

[thetodd]

Originally posted by boogeyman87
Its makes him a "whiney bitch" becuase he complained about it nonstop when he didnt get it. He made coments towards Ken that he wish he could what he did to him in Jason Takes Manhattan. He appeared bitter. He hasnt been with the series for "several" movies, sure i know five is close to alot but its not the entire series. Which i'm getting at. He came in halfway through the series did a okay job at being Jason. H egot too clingy to the role. :)
He hasn't been with the series for several movies? Five movies out of ten is more than "several". It's half.
Once again, I don't blame Kane for being pissed. Maybe he shouldn't have expressed it in the way he did, but people do sometimes say things when they are angry that they later regret or would have said differently if in a calmer state.

[thetodd]

Originally posted by Beau
What i want to know is, why didn't Hodder get the part. He had previously been in 4 friday films. I thought because of that he would of just been picked straight away.
The reason stated is that they wanted to "go in a different direction" with Jason. What that direction was, I have not a clue.

[Beau]

Originally posted by thetodd
The reason stated is that they wanted to "go in a different direction" with Jason. What that direction was, I have not a clue.

Oh right, well i guess if i was Hodder then i would be very pissed also. I don't blam him.

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by thetodd
He hasn't been with the series for several movies? Five movies out of ten is more than "several". It's half.
Once again, I don't blame Kane for being pissed. Maybe he shouldn't have expressed it in the way he did, but people do sometimes say things when they are angry that they later regret or would have said differently if in a calmer state.

Well sorry, I took "several" as meaning seven movies. I agree, he is probably alot calmer know and I bet a nice guy. Its just alittle self-centered to almost epext the role to be handed to you. I just think he was too over-confident.:)

[thetodd]

Originally posted by boogeyman87
Well sorry, I took "several" as meaning seven movies. I agree, he is probably alot calmer know and I bet a nice guy. Its just alittle self-centered to almost epext the role to be handed to you. I just think he was too over-confident.:)
Maybe so, maybe so. Still, if I were him and had played the role for the last five movies (which is what, 15 years or more?), and was then passed over for the part in what would have been easily the most watched and highest grossing movie Jason has been in yet, that would be enough to send me off. I don't like the things he said about Ken Hirzinger (it wasn't HIS fault), but I do sympathize with the man. I still don't want him to play Michael, though.

[Cruel Intentions]

Originally posted by war dog
I say Kramer from Seinfeld, He Has the hair already!!! HA, HA,HA!!!!!!!

Yeah see Michael stalking someone and then all of the sudden he opens the door like Krammer does. LOL

[FranchiseHatesMe]

Originally posted by boogeyman87
Well Kane is a winey baby who cried when he didnt get the role. The role isnt contracted to him. What would you have done if you where promiced a role for 10 years then at the last minute. SORRY. What the fuck would you have done?

Sorry for being so harsh Boogeyman but I am a HUGE Kane Hodder mark.

As for him playing Michael if he lost 100 pounds in the chest id be all for it. Fucker is too buff but if he was able to get skinny enough too id be all for it.

[Franchise]

How does Kane complaining that he didn't get the role make him a whiny bitch? I always find that strange. Some members think the same thing over at the Friday board. I think it would have been the one role that they would have kept him for. They pretty much promised the role to him and he was preparing for it like he already had it. The guy is hardcore Jason. He has kill tattooed on the inside of his lip and they could have told him a lot sooner than they did that he wasn't going to get the role. That makes me think they don't care about what every fan wants.

[FranchiseHatesMe]

Originally posted by Franchise
How does Kane complaining that he didn't get the role make him a whiny bitch? I always find that strange. Some members think the same thing over at the Friday board. I think it would have been the one role that they would have kept him for. They pretty much promised the role to him and he was preparing for it like he already had it. The guy is hardcore Jason. He has kill tattooed on the inside of his lip and they could have told him a lot sooner than they did that he wasn't going to get the role. That makes me think they don't care about what every fan wants. For real Mike thats what pisses me off so fucking bad. If they would of told him years ago that he was not getting the role I would of been fine. But waiting until the last minute and then all of the sudden hearing over the internet that they where looking for a new Jason. What little gutless cowards.

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by icparenumber1
What would you have done if you where promiced a role for 10 years then at the last minute. SORRY. What the fuck would you have done?

Sorry for being so harsh Boogeyman but I am a HUGE Kane Hodder mark.

As for him playing Michael if he lost 100 pounds in the chest id be all for it. Fucker is too buff but if he was able to get skinny enough too id be all for it.

I know your a huge fan, I remember. If the same thing happened to me I would have been hurt. I'd feel screwed out of something that seemed like i was getting. Yet, it seemed he kinda let his anger get the best of him being bitter and making coments. Fine but he could of kept it in and bottled it up. I guess patience and keeping your cool was needed. I just liked when the franchise wasnt about who played Jason but about the story and the gore and the kills.

[horror83]

i had 1 quick question what happend with Halloween 63 we never see him online can somone explain thanks

[FTL]

He's been banned. Get out from under the rock.

[FranchiseHatesMe]

Originally posted by horror83
i had 1 quick question what happend with Halloween 63 we never see him online can somone explain thanks He was banned.

[thetodd]

I do hope that in the sequel to FvJ, Kane gets the role back, but he should stay completely away from Michael.

[TheShape2005]

I'm glad he was told no. he is too big Michael is set at 6'2 and Kane is 6'6 for one and to he has brought Jason to life all those years it would be like Michael Acting like Jason and everyone would say ohh Michael is Coping Jason! blah blah blah

[Bucky-lives]

Originally posted by TheShape2005
I'm glad he was told no. he is too big Michael is set at 6'2 and Kane is 6'6 for one and to he has brought Jason to life all those years it would be like Michael Acting like Jason and everyone would say ohh Michael is Coping Jason! blah blah blah Exactly. He is Jason in my opinion but i don't think he would be right for the Shape. I wouldn't mind seeing him in a Halloween though. It would be kind of neat if he was a sheriff or something and Michael and him faced off.

(course it wouldn't last long but it'd be nice for horror fans ;) )

[samhain2025]

first off hes to big michale has always been slimmer than jason but still well built and thier stalking styles are kind of different jason kind of jerks his head when he sees you and the body followes michale looks like he sees them out of his perifral vision then jerks his whole body or he hids in the shadows and waits for some unlucky bastard to come his way

[Khorne23]

The more I think about it, the more I become convinced that Kane Hodder should play Michael. Here are just some of the reasons I've come up with:

1) Kane has played Jason more than any other single actor, and there are simply so many similarities between Michael and Jason that Kane could not fail to bring some of the lessons he learned playing Jason to the role of Michael. More than any other candidate, Kane knows how to play the role. Don't forget that Michael and Jason only really became different after Halloween 4 and Friday the 13th part 6 came out, and the people making those films tried to differentiate the characters.

When Nick Castle originated the role of Michael Myers, he was not the sort of robotic stalker he has recently been portrayed as (and which, in my opinion, only Chris Durand didn't portray him as). In the original film, Michael was much more energetic, and his body language more akin to Jason's than in any subsequent film.

2) Concerns about Kane's size as Michael are essentially non-issues. IF Kane is thought to be too big to effectively play Michael, simply hire physically larger actors to co-star with him, and/ or build the sets just a little bigger. That was a great trick used back in the 1950s to make the leading lady of various films seem more petite and ladylike (conversely, any doors or other such props that stars like John Wayne had to use wee built a little too small, to make him seem just that much bigger).

Sylvester Stallone and Mickey Rourke's characters, in "Get Carter" and "Sin City", respectively, were supposed to big guys, even though Sylvester and Mickey aren't the largest guys around. This was solved by the simple, and very inexpensive, technique of camera angles: neither one was shown in a full body shot with another actor unless Slyvester or Mickey was actually bigger than that actor, so that their physical dimensions would not suffer by comparison.

IF Kane's size were deemed to be a problem, the simple reverse could be done were he to play Michael. I've said it before, but it bears repeating, that Kane was almost not cast as Jason because the producers thought he as too small.

3) From a box office standpoint, Kane's debut as Michael would have considerable novelty appeal. Even if Kane only played the role for that one film, there would be some cross-over appeal as Friday fans checked out the Halloween film to see how "their boy" was making out. Kane could get a few more asses in the seats, and isn't money what the franchise has become all about these days?

4) If you believe the conspiracy theory - as I do - you could feel that Kane Hodder has been playing Michael Myers all along, and if would simply be a matter of making things "official" if he preformed in an actual Halloween film, explicitly as Michael Myers.

What's the conspriacy theory, you say? Well, I'm gonna tell you.
This is according to Sean Cunningham and Steve Miner.

When it was decided that there would be a second Friday the 13th film, the first question to be asked was what woud the film be about. Once it was decided that F13 part 2 (and, it proved, subsequent films) would be about Jason, the next question was to decide how Jason would be interpreted. The creative staff collectively decided to depict Jason in a manner extremely similar to Michael Myers - in Entertainment Weekly at the time H20 came out, Steve Miner "confessed" that the F13 movies he was involved in were deliberate attempts to rip off Michael Myers, and he felt, at least at the time, that, by directing H20, he was, in some ways, "coming home". The "zombie Jason" of the 6th film onwards was as much an attempt to make Jason different from Michael Myers as it was an attempt to carry on the series after Jason had "really and for true" died. This was another deliberately made decision, my sources say.

So, a person could, as I have chosen to do, view at least F13's 2 through 5 as Halloween movies, with Michael simply wearing a different mask.

Perhaps I'm just crazy or deluded, but I'm comfortable with my insanity.

5) Casting Kane Hodder as Michael Myers would return Michael to his roots. Recent inetrpretations of Michael and Jason have both "ripped off" Arnold Schwarzenegger's Terminartor (C.J. Graham was specifically cast as Jason in part 6 of F13 because he brought that quality to the character). Yet the original interpretations of both characters had them more vigorous and dynamic. Now, I really don't give a pinch of piss in the wind about F13, but I'd like to see Michael played more like Nick Castle did when he created the character, and that means a more vigorous, active character than the "robot" that began, sadly, with Dick Warlock in the second film. I know that Kane Hodder would play Michael as that sort of a character, so he's the best logical choice for me for this reason.

[renee30152]

Kane Hodder? No, they should use one of the other guys who has played Michael. They know what they are doing with the role.
Can't wait until Halloween 9 comes out!

[halo thirty one]

this is still the worst idea ever. i'd rather see helloween.

[renee30152]

What do you mean? I am confused. You said that it is a bad idea but you do want him to be in Halloween 9? :?

[halo thirty one]

Originally posted by renee30152
What do you mean? I am confused. You said that it is a bad idea but you do want him to be in Halloween 9? :?
i mean that i never want to see kane hodder play michael myers. just because he played jason more times that anyone else doesn't mean he was a good jason and it doesn't mean he would be a good michael myers. so, if i had a choice between halloween 9 having hodder as michael or having someone like brad loree as michael in a helloween type story vs. pinhead, i'd rather see helloween.

[thetodd]

Originally posted by halo thirty one
i mean that i never want to see kane hodder play michael myers. just because he played jason more times that anyone else doesn't mean he was a good jason and it doesn't mean he would be a good michael myers. so, if i had a choice between halloween 9 having hodder as michael or having someone like brad loree as michael in a helloween type story vs. pinhead, i'd rather see helloween.
I agree that Kane wouldn't be a good fit for Michael, but IMO he was the best Jason ever.

[renee30152]

Originally posted by halo thirty one
i mean that i never want to see kane hodder play michael myers. just because he played jason more times that anyone else doesn't mean he was a good jason and it doesn't mean he would be a good michael myers. so, if i had a choice between halloween 9 having hodder as michael or having someone like brad loree as michael in a helloween type story vs. pinhead, i'd rather see helloween.

I agree. Thanks for clearing that up. I was confused. :)
I agree too. The Friday storyline were good, but they were WAY WAY too bloody and gorey for my taste. :) Too bad the orginal "Michael" can't come back and play!

[punkrocklove]

isnt he a bit big to be michael? lol

[renee30152]

He has toomuch muscle were Michael has none. I wonder why. Didn't he pump up a little with all the stalking, walking and killing? :)

[WhiteZombie]

well as long as hes is a close size match which i dont think he is his upper body is larger and may even be taller but he would have to change movments..like jason looking wherehes gunna turn before he does, and michael keeping his head strait with body while walking, juts minor changes he would have to work on

[bundy]

Hodder is just not that big of a human. He looks bigger on screen than he does in life. I think Don Shank's upper body is larger than Hodder's.

[mmyers78]

yea kane hodder would be a bad choice because he's too tall and he looks like he works out so it would look like michael has been lifting weights

[Khorne23]

Originally posted by bundy
Hodder is just not that big of a human. He looks bigger on screen than he does in life. I think Don Shank's upper body is larger than Hodder's.

Aye, Don Shanks is a very large human. I saw him in an airport once and was just blown away.

[Khorne23]

Originally posted by mmyers78
yea kane hodder would be a bad choice because he's too tall and he looks like he works out so it would look like michael has been lifting weights

So. Bodies are heavy. Killing people can be hard work ;-)

[renee30152]

So try. Think of all the muscles you are buliding by slicing and dicing and THEN having to lug them around and hang them up. Not to mention the running, the thorowing.. and the lists go on and on! :) LOL

[BONES]

Dont get me wrong I like Hodder just not as Michael he is Jason

[somebigguy]

Love your Avatar Bones!!!

Please no Hodder as Michael, we don't need Michael strutting around like a bodybuilder too.

[loomis26]

if kane hodder was michael myers, itd be definently be very creepy. vry good idea. good job.

[Murderer_Myers]

hodder is far too big, not in height, but width in the arms, people would think michael had been using beefcake

[Myers_Killer]

Originally posted by Murderer_Myers
hodder is far too big, not in height, but width in the arms, people would think michael had been using beefcake

ROFL :D :D good one, yea Kane Hooder would be a good Michael Myers, but wouldn't suit the part.

[Murderer_Myers]

ahh, myers_killer your wrong, he would NOT make a good myers, tahts the point, too bulky

[afraid2fall]

Kane is way to darn big to take on the role as Michael..It just worldn't look right and it wouldn't work out :mad: