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brianandrews
09-11-2011, 10:29 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOnT4SMQb5M

the first 2 minutes or so...

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Femanizer
09-11-2011, 10:50 AM
He remade the movie, it's not going away.

Pug-a-Licious
09-11-2011, 10:55 AM
I bet you've said lots of things that you wish you hadn't have said, or changed your mind about later, Brian.

brianandrews
09-11-2011, 11:05 AM
I bet you've said lots of things that you wish you hadn't have said, or changed your mind about later, Brian.

not lots

Roswell
09-11-2011, 11:06 AM
Reminds me of the guy who posted the clip of Michael getting run down in El Superbeasto to prove that Zombie was on a mission to destroy the Halloween franchise.:roflmao:

TheShape'78
09-11-2011, 11:07 AM
Fuck it, he made an alright remake and an awesome as shit sequel. It matters not to me what he thinks or has said about the original.

-mitch-

Femanizer
09-11-2011, 11:10 AM
Why didn't you have a cameo in the remake Brian?

boogeyman87
09-11-2011, 11:11 AM
Oh wow, so Rob used his remake of Halloween as an opportunity to further his growing career as a director? Big fucking deal. This video looks like it's coming from one of those really dramatic fans who would rather cry "destruction of a classic!" than acknowledge the fact that the original Halloween is not 100% perfect in every way. Hey, neither is Rob Zombie's remake but I don't fault the guy for trying to fix certain things that bugged him with the original. And this is coming from someone who likes H2 a million times more than RZH.

brianandrews
09-11-2011, 11:12 AM
Why didn't you have a cameo in the remake Brian?

ask Rob

Roswell
09-11-2011, 11:12 AM
It really drives me crazy how fans have pounced on Zombie for doing the remake and his sequel, yet I never see the same rage and disgust aimed at any of the other remake directors. If anyone has a mission, it's the fans who just can't let go of the fact that Zombie did a remake.

Astro_Creep
09-11-2011, 11:12 AM
haha.

Femanizer
09-11-2011, 11:13 AM
I can't ask Rob :( He doesn't post here. Did you even ask for a cameo?

Captain Mal
09-11-2011, 11:18 AM
I don't see the problem here. Those things bothered him. He changed them. If he came out and said he flat out hated Halloween '78 I still wouldn't give a fuck.

Roswell
09-11-2011, 11:22 AM
If he came out and said he flat out hated Halloween '78 I still wouldn't give a fuck.

That brings up another good point: Rob likes the original. He may see a few problems in logic, but overall he still likes the film. He's said so on many occasions.

EvilOnTwoLegs
09-11-2011, 11:31 AM
I can't ask Rob :( He doesn't post here.

He used to.

The fans treated him like shit, so he left.

Femanizer
09-11-2011, 11:33 AM
Poor Rob :( He was just doing his job.

TheShape'78
09-11-2011, 11:35 AM
That brings up another good point: Rob likes the original. He may see a few problems in logic, but overall he still likes the film. He's said so on many occasions.

But there will always be those Halloween zealots who believe the original is perfect in every way and cannot be criticized. The original is a great film with a lot of style and suspense, but it is not perfect and Rob was merely stating what he found annoying about it. Big friggin' deal.

-mitch-

Astro_Creep
09-11-2011, 11:37 AM
He used to.

The fans treated him like shit, so he left.

I can only imagine the horrible private messages he received.

TheShape'78
09-11-2011, 11:38 AM
I can only imagine the horrible private messages he received.

To which he probably printed off and wiped his ass with. I would've. :hugegrin: :bastard:

-mitch-

EvilOnTwoLegs
09-11-2011, 11:46 AM
I can only imagine the horrible private messages he received.

A lot of the public ones were bad enough. I seem to recall some really disgusting things being said about Sheri while Rob was a member here, as well. And not even semi-relevant things, either...vile, hateful, sexually degrading, misogynistic things. Really uncalled-for shit.

But ROB ZOMBIE HATES HALLOWEEN AND HALLOWEEN FANS!!!!!!!! That's why he's the only director from this franchise ever to join the OHMB and attempt a direct dialogue with the fans. Until the fans charged him with murdering Michael Myers and called his wife a whore, anyway.

Femanizer
09-11-2011, 11:49 AM
A lot of the public ones were bad enough. I seem to recall some really disgusting things being said about Sheri while Rob was a member here, as well. And not even semi-relevant things, either...vile, hateful, sexually degrading, misogynistic things. Really uncalled-for shit.

But ROB ZOMBIE HATES HALLOWEEN AND HALLOWEEN FANS!!!!!!!! That's why he's the only director from this franchise ever to join the OHMB and attempt a direct dialogue with the fans. Until the fans charged him with murdering Michael Myers and called his wife a whore, anyway.

Crazy stuff :( I thought it was awesome that he joined here. Too bad people can't see that it's only a movie and not worth being complete cocktards. :EthelBird:

Peaker1990
09-11-2011, 12:11 PM
It's sad, because Rob is one of the few CAPABLE filmmakers I'd trust with Halloween, because he genuinely cares about his films. You can't watch RZH and say he didn't care... he went out of his way to make a good film. Granted, wanted to simultaneously make it different AND the same. He could have followed the plot of the original a bit more loosely, without all of the direct scene copies, and the pacing issues wouldn't be as bad. I'd say the first half could be cut by about 5-10 minutes, and the remake material expanded by the same amount, with a little bit more character stuff, and it could have been much better.

Blood&Guts
09-11-2011, 01:25 PM
The remake was going to be made with or without him. If you watch the documentary Michael Lives you will see that he clearly cares about making the best movie possible. I believe he picked apart the original to justify in his mind remaking it. I don't hold it against him for using Halloween to advance his career, it happens in Hollywood every day. While I'm not a huge fan of him as a person, the guy can direct his ass off. Can't wait to see what he does with Lords of Salem with no pressure from a studio.

brianandrews
09-11-2011, 01:39 PM
Well let me first apologize his was not my intention to start up any sort of thread war
I realize people, many people who I have great respect for, have very strong opinions on this movie

I suppose what I probably should have done would be to edit the video so the only Rob's five comments about the original movie as those of the only parts that are of interest to me. I don't agree with a lot of what he says. Such is the only reason Danielle got the part because she was willing to take her top off. Which I don't agree with.

I realize posting this probably makes me look petty to those that do not know me and confirms that I'm petty to those that already do.

Femanizer
09-11-2011, 01:41 PM
Tom Petty...Peppermint Petty...Petticoat Petty

btw Brian were you asked to reprise your role in Halloween 4 or 6? And if so why didn't you?

EvilOnTwoLegs
09-11-2011, 01:46 PM
Basically, the video tries to take a few statements from Zombie, nitpicking details and coincidences in the original film, and build them into some kind of argument that Zombie therefore isn't a fan of the original film.

Because obviously, FANS never nitpick anything. Or do they? If it pleases the court, I present Exhibit A (http://www.ohmb.net/index.php).

I rest my case.

brianandrews
09-11-2011, 01:48 PM
Tom Petty...Peppermint Petty...Petticoat Petty

btw Brian were you asked to reprise your role in Halloween 4 or 6? And if so why didn't you?

nope
was not asked at all
such is life

Femanizer
09-11-2011, 01:49 PM
nope
was not asked at all
such is life

Thanks for answering my questions :)

Franchise
09-11-2011, 01:56 PM
A lot of the public ones were bad enough. I seem to recall some really disgusting things being said about Sheri while Rob was a member here, as well. And not even semi-relevant things, either...vile, hateful, sexually degrading, misogynistic things. Really uncalled-for shit.

But ROB ZOMBIE HATES HALLOWEEN AND HALLOWEEN FANS!!!!!!!! That's why he's the only director from this franchise ever to join the OHMB and attempt a direct dialogue with the fans. Until the fans charged him with murdering Michael Myers and called his wife a whore, anyway.

I really question near the end if it was Rob at all. Have you read his last few posts? LMFAO

Peaker1990
09-11-2011, 02:05 PM
Tom Petty...Peppermint Petty...Petticoat Petty

btw Brian were you asked to reprise your role in Halloween 4 or 6? And if so why didn't you?

Will and Grace ripoff. But you got the order wrong... it's tom, petticoat, THEN peppermint :P

Femanizer
09-11-2011, 02:06 PM
haha I'm just glad someone knew what it was from. I haven't seen that show in a long time

Michael Voorhees
09-11-2011, 02:10 PM
I don't take any of this shit seriously, because Rob has clearly said on more than one occasion that he's a huge fan of the original, & that it's probably the only film of the franchise he even cares about. Can't exactly blame him, either.

TheThirdHalf
09-11-2011, 02:28 PM
Bah...I really don't care what other fans think, the only fan I'm concerned with is me :p

Crazy_Ralph
09-11-2011, 03:01 PM
Bah...I really don't care what other fans think, the only fan I'm concerned with is me :p

Agreed.

This whole situation reminds me of another one plaguing another forum I frequent: this time, with a comic book/film franchise. Some of the more interesting "controversies" are as follows: there's been a whole storm brewing because Christian Bale allegedly said in an interview that he took the job on Nolan's trilogy for money (or something along those lines, as the alleged quote has not been sourced) and the responses have been the same that I saw in the video: "He took the job for money!"....and that one being the tamest.

Another example:the treatment of Tom Hardy in regards to his performance as Bane. Posters have been crying that he's ruining the Bane by not wearing the Pulp Fiction Gimp Mask, as well as have claimed that his sexuality - based on the rumors of his encounters, which have (gasp!) been misquoted from a Jonathan Ross interview - is going to destroy the character of Bane. And in this case, and with Anne Hathaway, both have discovered how low fans can descend, when they checked said forum out of curiosity.


Fan-forums are a two edged sword: they allow people to connect together over shared enjoyment of a cinematic franchise, but on the other hand, create the vilest behavior, due to the anonymity the internet affords. It' quite amusing hearing criticisms coming from people who have had no experience in the motion picture industry (like someone criticizing the design of the Batplane: here, why don't you f***ing draw an original one that can be created practically and look unique?)

Thus, I feel bad for Zombie's treatment. That's why if I ever (by some trillionth of a chance) end up directing a franchise piece, I am going to disconnect every social networking/forum account. Not from Zombie experienced, but from what I witnessed towards TDKR and its cast and crew. Zombie described the situation perfectly: "the internet has created a culture of nonstop b****ing."

And while I love both Halloween films, I have to say the issues raised by the video are...really not issues. First off, the emphasis put towards Rob getting paid: it's easy to forget that Carpenter himself has the same attitude. Read some of the interviews on the internet (particularly the ones for "The Ward,) and it becomes apparent he is not the artist who does it for the love of art but like any one of us, an artist who makes his terrific art for financial compensation.

As for the other complaints - the alarm, phone booth, and coveralls - they are valid, as they all function on a series of a tightly woven thread of disbelief. For example, if I used the phone booth/discovery scene for the final assignment in my writing class, the professor would have had me remove it, no debate whatsoever. So, there are two ways to view the phenomenon.

And, as for the performance of Loomis, playing the devil's advocate, the complaint is valid. After the first film, Loomis' growth was stunted as he became the Captain Ahab of the series. Of course, I do enjoy cinematic retellings of Moby Dick (Wrath of Khan, First Contact, etc. etc) so I might be biased in that regard.

EvilOnTwoLegs
09-11-2011, 04:24 PM
I really question near the end if it was Rob at all. Have you read his last few posts? LMFAO

Is that where he said "Suck my fat one, you cheap dime store hood?"

No, wait...that was Gordie Lachance.

Or was it Geordie La Forge?

One of those Next Generation fuckers, anyway.

ten31
09-11-2011, 06:22 PM
That video clip is a bunch of bullshite. I can take video of anyone and make it appear to agree or dissagree with whatever subject matter I am talking about. I am a fan of Zombie's remake and as a lot of you know not so much of H2 but this little clip proves nothing. As for taking the job to create a two picture deal. No shit, that's how Hollywood works. Next!!!

A Dumb Question
09-11-2011, 06:32 PM
Rob Zombie sexually assaulted my childhood with his cinematic junk. My metaphorical genitalia (as embodied by John Carpenter's pure original) was violated by the director's vile touch. I'm as traumatized by the remake as, say, Laurie Strode was in Rob's sequel. *sob*

Femanizer
09-11-2011, 06:33 PM
His films don't personally affect me at all.

A Dumb Question
09-11-2011, 06:38 PM
That's because you obviously have no soul. Duh. Otherwise, you'd see that Rob Zombie is like Osama Bin Laden, Adolf Hitler, Charles Manson, Ed Gein, and Rob Liefeld rolled into one.

Femanizer
09-11-2011, 06:39 PM
That's why I like him though......

EvilOnTwoLegs
09-11-2011, 11:58 PM
That's because you obviously have no soul. Duh. Otherwise, you'd see that Rob Zombie is like Osama Bin Laden, Adolf Hitler, Charles Manson, Ed Gein, and Rob Liefeld rolled into one.

Liefeld? Now THAT'S just hyperbole!

A Dumb Question
09-12-2011, 12:09 AM
I was wondering who would catch that first...

EvilOnTwoLegs
09-12-2011, 12:16 AM
Say what you will about National Socialism, mass murder, or terrorism, at least Hitler, Bin Laden, Gein, and Manson understood human anatomy!

Captain Mal
09-12-2011, 03:12 AM
That's because you obviously have no soul. Duh. Otherwise, you'd see that Rob Zombie is like Osama Bin Laden, Adolf Hitler, Charles Manson, Ed Gein, and Rob Liefeld rolled into one.

:D :D :D classic.

The Saw
09-12-2011, 06:58 PM
That kids pretty angry.
The original isn't perfect.
I don't agree with everything Rob said, but I'm not gonna go rant about it.

The Gill-Man
09-20-2011, 10:04 AM
That's because you obviously have no soul. Duh. Otherwise, you'd see that Rob Zombie is like Osama Bin Laden, Adolf Hitler, Charles Manson, Ed Gein, and Rob Liefeld rolled into one.


Say what you will about National Socialism, mass murder, or terrorism, at least Hitler, Bin Laden, Gein, and Manson understood human anatomy!

:roflmao: BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!!!

CJ7
09-20-2011, 03:02 PM
The orginial isn't perfect but no movie is regardless how thought out it is. Although It seems as though Rob's ripping H1 apart, he was only pointing out things that were either out of place or didn't belong and wanted to change it for his movie.

October31
10-29-2011, 09:03 PM
I gotta say, the things that Rob was "bothered" by are all actually flaws from the original. Haddonfield and Smith's Grove are 100 miles apart. But Loomis and Michael just happened to both stop at the same phone? Yeah, it works to drive the plot forward but doesn't have much logic behind it.

For the mask thing, I kinda see where he's going. How exactly did Michael rob that hardware store? And why? But I did always like the creepyness that he just found a mask and put it on. By fleshing out Michael's backstory (as in RZH), it makes more sense to go into the whole mask thing.

And learning to drive? Well, since I consider 4-6 to be canon, I think that it's frickin creepy to know that Wynn actually did give him lessons.

Anyways, don't kill the guy. He was probably right.

Myers78-?
02-27-2012, 08:34 AM
I hate this video. This guy is one of those classic, "Halloween should never be remade" people. Close-minded. Every horror fan has to realize, Hollywood isn't very inventive. If a horror film is extremely successful, somewhere down the line it's going to be remade. Halloween was destined to be, and it will probably happen again in a decade or two.

Also, Rob isn't saying "Halloween is dumb and I fucking hate it. That's why I'm remaking it." He's stated on many occasions the he loves the film, grew up watching, and had a passion to bring his unique vision to the big screen. Rob isn't saying bad things about the film, he's just saying some things make him go "huh?" and irk him a bit. We ALL have instances like that with EVERY film. It's playful criticism.

ALDO
02-27-2012, 08:48 AM
I'd love to hear JC's opinion on RZH. If he ever get's around to watching it that is. Whenever he get's asked about the re-make he always says he hasn't seen it and that Rob's a friend so he'd rather not discuss it.

Captain Mal
02-27-2012, 09:31 AM
I'd love to hear JC's opinion on RZH. If he ever get's around to watching it that is. Whenever he get's asked about the re-make he always says he hasn't seen it and that Rob's a friend so he'd rather not discuss it.

Yep, JC is very coy. He apparently hasn't seen The Thing prequel either which I find hard to believe. Then again, not many people did see it so maybe I'm dead wrong on that.

Torgo
02-27-2012, 12:22 PM
I hate this video. This guy is one of those classic, "Halloween should never be remade" people. Close-minded.

I watched twenty seconds and dismissed it as "internet fanboy nerd town."


I'd love to hear JC's opinion on RZH. If he ever get's around to watching it that is. Whenever he get's asked about the re-make he always says he hasn't seen it and that Rob's a friend so he'd rather not discuss it.

He's on board for that behind the scenes book that's coming out next year, so maybe he'll have some more thoughts by then. I doubt it tho. He's too busy drinking beer and watching sports while counting his "Halloween Theme" ringtone royalty money.

OctoberChill95
03-02-2012, 08:51 AM
What was Rob thinking? This is grade A F'n megalomania.

Roswell
03-02-2012, 09:18 AM
What was Rob thinking? This is grade A F'n megalomania.

Except, you know...not.

Rick
03-02-2012, 10:36 AM
Zombie's Halloween didn't suck because it`s a remake or because of anything he said in interviews.

It sucked because he dumbed down a classic character to make it into something average and run-of-the-mill.
It sucked because he can`t write likeable characters or dialogue.
Remake Halloween, that`s fine. Do it over and over again if you want, but do it well.

Zombie`s direction is fine, his writing is the problem. It`s hard to care about characters that are annoying douchebags and assholes.
If you are going to complain that most horror movies suck because they are full of people who you can`t wait see to see killed off, don`t turn around and write abrasive, annoying characters that people hope get killed off.
That video did a fine job of pointing out that he`s a complete hypocrite.
Then again it`s the entertainment business and you`d be hard pressed to find someone who isn`t.
It`s just easier to over look if you happen to be a fan of the person.

Roswell
03-02-2012, 11:18 AM
It's hard to care about characters that are supposed to be assholes and douchebags? Isn't that kind of the point? I doubt Zombie was writing a character like Ronnie and saying "Gee, I hope people LIKE this guy. I sure would hate it if they thought he was a complete asshole. *writes scene where he teases Michael*"

As far as being a hypocrite, I disagree. Zombie wasn't talking about simply having nice characters die. He's talking about characters that you care about one way or another. I certainly wasn't sad when Ronnie died, but I'd be lying if his death left me completely cold.

And as far as writing sympathetic/likeable characters, I still think he gave us some pretty sympathetic characters, especially compared to other films in the franchise. Deborah ends up being the most tortured soul in the film, and unless you've got a stone heart or were simply trying to resist letting anything in this film move you, her suicide scene is still one of the most emotional scenes in the history of the franchise.

Also, I'm still in awe when people say that Laurie is a bitch in this film. Why, because she doesn't whistle merrily to herself on her way to school and dress like a librarian? Oh, that's right. She yells at the kids apparently and goofs off when Annie comes over. Didn't Laurie yell at Tommy in the original to quit screaming and to stop scaring Lindsay? Didn't Laurie spend half of the evening talking with her friends on the phone? To me there was no major difference between how they acted, except for the fact that remake Laurie was an updated version of that character.

Anyway, I'm rambling at this point, so I'll just wrap this up by saying that people shouldn't have such a knee-jerk reaction to what Zombie says all the time, especially concerning comments made a long time ago.

Rick
03-02-2012, 11:52 AM
My problem wasn't that Laurie was a bitch, my problem was that she had no redeeming quality for me to get behind her as a character.
Everyone can be an asshole, but if we are supposed to care about her offest that with something redeemable. She doesn't have to whistle to school like a lirbrarian, but she has to be nice and more then barely tollerable at some point.
She was annoying, abrasive or a bitch. That's what I saw from her character.
Deborah was anotherone. There could have been something to care about or give a damn, if she wasn't written to be so abrasive.
And that's the problem with all of the characters. There seems to be no redeeming quality to any of them. The negative of the characters far outweigh the positive until the film is nothing but asshole after asshole that you can't get behind because you are always finding more negative then positive.
At some point you just think "Zombie stop hitting me over the head with the trash. Some people in this world are just normal". The characters don't have to happy and sunshiney all the time, that's not realistic either, but there has to be a balance to the characters you want the audience to give a damn about.

Of course that's just my opinion and I respect that every one has theirs.

Roswell
03-02-2012, 12:45 PM
My problem wasn't that Laurie was a bitch, my problem was that she had no redeeming quality for me to get behind her as a character.


She was annoying, abrasive or a bitch. That's what I saw from her character.

:bigeyes:

And what's redeeming about Laurie as a character in the original anyway? The fact that she's nice? If you're going to start throwing around the word "redeeming", at least give some examples so I know what the criteria is here. What I saw in Laurie in the remake was pretty much what I saw in the character in Carpenter's original film, just updated to fit in with a modern sensibility. She definitely wasn't a bitch.



Everyone can be an asshole, but if we are supposed to care about her offest that with something redeemable. She doesn't have to whistle to school like a lirbrarian, but she has to be nice and more then barely tollerable at some point.

Again, I don't see how she was a bitch just because she told the kids to settle down or was goofing off. I need some bitchy examples here!


Deborah was anotherone. There could have been something to care about or give a damn, if she wasn't written to be so abrasive.

When was she abrasive? You could maybe say she was in the kitchen scene, but Ronnie was being a real asshole in that scene, so can you blame her?


And that's the problem with all of the characters. There seems to be no redeeming quality to any of them. The negative of the characters far outweigh the positive until the film is nothing but asshole after asshole that you can't get behind because you are always finding more negative then positive.

If you say so. Personally I can find redeemable aspects in quite a few of the characters. Deborah is someone trying to make the best out of a bad situation, and is generally a good person, even if she loses her cool at the beginning. Laurie tends to have a good heart and seems be opposed to some of the more crazy things that her friends embrace (She even mentions in H2 how being a good person got her nothing in the end. Make of that what you will.). Even Loomis, who eventually exploits Michael for fame and profit, starts out with good intentions. The only people I would say are assholes in the film are people who were written that way to begin with, namely Wesley, Ronnie, Judith, and Joe Grizzly.


The characters don't have to happy and sunshiney all the time, that's not realistic either, but there has to be a balance to the characters you want the audience to give a damn about.

Which I felt Zombie delivered, but obviously you don't.

Rick
03-02-2012, 02:59 PM
Well, yeah. Being nice to people is generally a redeeming quality, so there ya go. Laurie in the original was nice. Nice to her friends, nice to the kids she sat for, nice to her parents and nice to her friends.
Not only was Laurie in Zombie's version bitchy to the kids when she wanted them to settle down (you can get kids to settle down without being a bitch), she was actually making fun of Tommy when he see's her at the Myers house. That something to get behind? A character that's actually a little bit of a bully to the kid?
She was also annoying as hell in her fist scene in the kitchen with her mom, her first scene and already I can't stand the character. Not a good sign.
As for being updated with a modern sensibility, I don't buy that. I work with a large number of high school, college and university students for 3 or 4 months out of the year, so that's not necessarily the average. She's an average among the annoying, abrasive bitch teenagers, sure, but not the average across the spectrum. Don't use that as a model for your lead that you expect people to care about.
I haven't seen the film in a long time because I really didn't like anything about it, but those are just two examples that stick with me from it's initial release. If I were to watch it again I'd be able to continue the list. But when the flick ended there was nothing I could find to like about his version of the character.
Deborah was as much of an asshole as Ronnie in the breakfast scene, "can you blame her" isn't really much of a defence. It doesn't really inspire sympathy for the character when the whole scene is one person being an asshole and the other being an asshole back. What in that scene was supposed to make me like or care about that character?
The way she dealt with the principle doesn't redeem her at all either.
The best natured character with any reason to like him is Sheriff Brackett. Out of the entire cast I found 1 character to enjoy.
I was going to say he was a well written character, but I think I was just comparing him to everyone else in the film. By that standard he really is well written by comparison, but taken on his own he's a good character, not much more.
We differ greatly in our opinions, on the movie.
I can't influence your taste, I don't expect to.
I just think this remake had the potential to be great, but I don't think Zombie delivered.
He has his particular style and it has an audience. He can direct.
I just feel in the end that his writing and characterization was a let down.

Astro_Creep
03-02-2012, 03:33 PM
she was actually making fun of Tommy when he see's her at the Myers house. That something to get behind? A character that's actually a little bit of a bully to the kid?
Haha, what? She was just teasing the kid. It's not like she was Wesley Rhoades 2.0.

Roswell
03-02-2012, 03:34 PM
Well, yeah. Being nice to people is generally a redeeming quality, so there ya go. Laurie in the original was nice. Nice to her friends, nice to the kids she sat for, nice to her parents and nice to her friends.

She was in Zombie's film too.


Not only was Laurie in Zombie's version bitchy to the kids when she wanted them to settle down (you can get kids to settle down without being a bitch), she was actually making fun of Tommy when he see's her at the Myers house. That something to get behind? A character that's actually a little bit of a bully to the kid?Yes, what a bully. Only a psychopath would tell you to lay off the candy corn while patting you on the head, then politely tease you about a "Mexican Wolfman" and "The Devil's House".

Please. That wasn't even close to bullying. At worst, that was like an older sister teasing her younger brother. She's not trying to hurt his feelings, she's just trying to get him to lighten up.


She was also annoying as hell in her fist scene in the kitchen with her mom, her first scene and already I can't stand the character. Not a good sign.Maybe it's just me, but I liked her in that scene. She's being a goofball, and I like goofballs. Not every scene is supposed to play out with dramatic sincerity.


I work with a large number of high school, college and university students for 3 or 4 months out of the year, so that's not necessarily the average.

Funny, I'm friends with a couple girls who act like her, and I certainly wouldn't describe them as bitches and bullies. Maybe a bit silly, but that's about it. Guess it all depends on who you know.



Deborah was as much of an asshole as Ronnie in the breakfast scene, "can you blame her" isn't really much of a defence.It is a defense. Ronnie was trying to piss her off and succeeded. You don't see her screaming at everyone throughout the rest of her scenes, do you? She's not an asshole by nature, she's just not putting up with Ronnie's shit. She's acting defensively, not because she's a jerk.


It doesn't really inspire sympathy for the character when the whole scene is one person being an asshole and the other being an asshole back. What in that scene was supposed to make me like or care about that character?You seem to be hung up on the introductions of characters, while I'm looking at them as a whole. If I judged them based on their first scenes, then no, I probably wouldn't like Deborah or Laurie. That's why we have other scenes though, like the moments between Deborah and Michael, and the scenes where Laurie is being nice to the kids (which, believe it or not, do exist within the film).

TheShape'78
03-02-2012, 03:42 PM
OMG, Laurie wasn't the virgin Mary in Rob's remake! What a bitch!!! :bastard:

-mitch-

Astro_Creep
03-02-2012, 03:46 PM
I can't believe they let that bagel fingering girl around children. SICKOS!

Roswell
03-02-2012, 03:46 PM
She's apparently a lesbian too because she jokingly dry humped Annie.

So let's review...

Laurie is a bullying, goth, coke-sniffing, irredeemable lesbian bitch in Rob Zombie's Halloween films. Did I miss anything?

Astro_Creep
03-02-2012, 03:49 PM
She's apparently a lesbian too because she jokingly dry humped Annie.

So let's review...

Laurie is a bullying, goth, coke-sniffing, irredeemable lesbian bitch in Rob Zombie's Halloween films. Did I miss anything?

Whore. Goth whore to be exact.

Rick
03-02-2012, 05:07 PM
An introduction to a character sets the stage for them, it's how you start to form your opinion.

No one said she was a sociopath. She's a bitch, annoying and abrasive. You don't have to slap someone around to be a bully. She was making fun of him and basically calling him stupid in a mean spirited way. That's such a nice person. Written so well and such a great character that you feel for and care about.

I've actually backed up the criticisms I have of this film with specific examples, nice to see so many others are are capable of replying in a coherent and intelligent manner.

Peaker1990
03-02-2012, 06:03 PM
Sounds like you're seeing something that isn't there.

Think about it like this... there is a bit of implied history between Laurie and Tommy... they have a bond... he's not just some random kid who she's being mean to.

She obviously likes the kid, and he obviously likes her back. It's nothing more than good-natured ribbing. As far as she knew, he had no reason whatsoever to be afraid of the Myers house.

So she's not a nun! Big deal! She's a normal teenaged girl. TEASING and BULLYING are two entirely different things. Considering I'm 21 and gay, my memories of teasing and bullying are still very vivid. The difference is uncanny.

Now, Annie and Lindsey, that's another story. They obviously don't care much for each other. But even then, it's just a case of your typical teenage cheerleader.

TheShape'78
03-02-2012, 08:57 PM
I've actually backed up the criticisms I have of this film with specific examples, nice to see so many others are are capable of replying in a coherent and intelligent manner.

But your examples of Laurie haven't supported your criticisms of her at all for the most part. You don't seem to be able to grasp the difference between teasing and bullying. You don't have to be overly nice to be a good person or even a likable person. Nothing about Laurie's behavior toward Tommy was all that off-putting, just a brother/sister-like relationship. Yeah she made light of the Myers house being haunted and aswell the story of Danny the Wolfman, as any teenage girl would toward a little kids absurd thoughts and stories, she dismissed them and teased him a little bit about it.... so what? You seem to be one of the few who thinks she was mean or bitchy, not many others have taken it that way. So, I think that says more about your sensitivity level than it does about Laurie's character.

-mitch-

EvilOnTwoLegs
03-02-2012, 11:31 PM
No one said she was a sociopath. She's a bitch, annoying and abrasive. You don't have to slap someone around to be a bully. She was making fun of him and basically calling him stupid in a mean spirited way.

She was acting like every older sibling acts to their younger siblings, as far as I could tell. Therefore, she treated Tommy like family. Jesus, what a BITCH!

Tommy's clearly an annoyingly hyper kid, and Laurie obviously knows him quite well. And it's clear that he takes absolutely no offense to her remarks. He just continues bugging her, as kids are wont to do. I'd say that reading all this "bullying" nonsense into Laurie basically telling Tommy to chill out is pretty much dictionary-definition "mountain out of molehill" stuff. I've heard plenty of valid criticisms of RZH (and I certainly have some of my own), but this is just silly.

blacksymbiote
03-12-2012, 01:57 PM
I think it's just people contrasting Scout's Laurie with JLC's Laurie. I used to think it was odd too until you get the full scope that there isn't any real malice intended there.

Robgoblin
07-01-2012, 07:46 AM
A lot of the public ones were bad enough. I seem to recall some really disgusting things being said about Sheri while Rob was a member here, as well. And not even semi-relevant things, either...vile, hateful, sexually degrading, misogynistic things. Really uncalled-for shit.

But ROB ZOMBIE HATES HALLOWEEN AND HALLOWEEN FANS!!!!!!!! That's why he's the only director from this franchise ever to join the OHMB and attempt a direct dialogue with the fans. Until the fans charged him with murdering Michael Myers and called his wife a whore, anyway.

That's cool that he came on the boards but if I was filmmaker I would stay far away. There's some real loonies out there and they always want to be right and think they own the franchise themselves. I hope the people that were negative and degrading got banned.

Todd 78
08-28-2012, 03:33 PM
Don't you people tease your siblings. Really Tommy was like a younger brother of hers.