"Sequels are inferior films by definition"

[myershall]

Randy said that in a sequel , and Mickey had to name some that surpassed the original and explain why, can you?

[Beau]

I got it by the way....The Godfather....part 2.

[mikeymoves]

I Still know what you did last summer. It was better than the first because of the rainy cleavage shot. That's it.

[H-field Hero]

You could maybe argue that T2 is better than the terminator. The problem is, the two films are so different in terms of budget and scope of story that they're difficult compare.

One thing that many people forget is just because a sequel isn't as good as the original doesn't make it a bad film. One of my favorite "idiot" lines is "all the halloween sequels suck is because there not as good as the original." Yeah, no shit thats because nothing in the horror genre is better than the original halloween, but that doesn't make the rest of the sequels shit by default. Strayed a little bit from topic... end of rant lol.

[Beau]

House 3 was the best in the House series.
It was more voilent than the others.
Aswell, the film had a good story.

[Laow-Z]

Ya know....i can't think of a Pt.2 or 3....etc. that's better than the original except maybe......maybe.....Friday the 13th Pt.2 although i love Pt.1. Original Halloween, Texas Chainsaw, Amityville Horror, Jaws, Species just to name a few have the best original IMO.

[AJ*]

I consider James Cameron's Aliens slightly better than Ridley Scott's Alien. I say slightly because both movies had great dialogue, great characters and a damn good story but Aliens wins in the action department and the movie had better supporting actors (Bill Paxton/Michael Biehn) supporting Sigourney Weaver.

I also think Godfather 2 is better than Godfather but that's really part of a trilogy so I don't know if you can count it as a sequel rather than an ongoing story. Same goes for Empire Strikes Back being better than Star Wars...it's part of a saga so can it really be counted as a sequel?

I also think Spider-man 2 and X-Men 2 blew their original movies away.

[NCamp]

Superman 2, better than the first. Better bad guys

[Miss Informed]

I think Amityville 2: The possesion was better than part 1. It was actually a prequel.

[myershall]

I would have to say that the one for me was Scream 2, even though most won't agree, because it is a little scary to me because in the first one they pretty much tell you who is going to die from the rules and in scream 2 you can't figure out the killer as easily in my mind

[Slab]

Originally posted by AJ*
Same goes for Empire Strikes Back being better than Star Wars...it's part of a saga so can it really be counted as a sequel?



It's the second movie, continuing from the first. Therefore it's a sequel, and it's a better film than the original. :)

[myershall]

I haven't seen the empire strikes back is it any good, wait this is kind of off topic

[Slab]

Originally posted by myershall
I haven't seen the empire strikes back is it any good, wait this is kind of off topic

Check out the star wars thread.

[MichaelMyers]

Two words: Spiderman 2.

[MichaelMyers]

There are more like: American Pie 2 and 3, X-Men 2, Men in Black 2, and Blade 2. Oh, and the Austin Powers sequels.

[myershall]

Now the Austin Powers series are awosome.
And thanks for the Star wars thread referance, i didn't knwo there was one Slab

[Beau]

Jeepers Creepers 2 was way better than the first one.

[myershall]

Really I have that on tape but I wasn't sure if It was worth watching so I guess I have to watch it now right

[Beau]

Friday the 13th part 4 was better that the first one.

[Hall9ween]

I was going to make a thread like this before, but I forgot about it.

I just hate the way that people read off, "Sequels suck, the originals are the best", like they have memorised it from the Movie Bible or something.

[Spongerboy]

The Last Cruisade was better than Raiders of the Lost Ark

[fanatic986]

Mine are:

X-Men 2
Friday the 13th Part 2
Superman 2 (only better by a little bit)
Batman Returns
I Still Know What You Did Last Summer

and Exorcist 3 is alomost better than the first.

[666]

Spider-man 2
X-Men 2
Batman: Returns
Scream 2
The Mummy Returns
Rush Hour 2
Bad Boys 2
Terminator 2
Austin Powers 2
American Pie 2
Home Alone 2

and I'm sure there;s more but I can't think of any.

[freethy]

Originally posted by H-field Hero
You could maybe argue that T2 is better than the terminator. The problem is, the two films are so different in terms of budget and scope of story that they're difficult compare.

One thing that many people forget is just because a sequel isn't as good as the original doesn't make it a bad film. One of my favorite "idiot" lines is "all the halloween sequels suck is because there not as good as the original." Yeah, no shit thats because nothing in the horror genre is better than the original halloween, but that doesn't make the rest of the sequels shit by default. Strayed a little bit from topic... end of rant lol.

You could say the sequels strayed a little off topic too heh. By H5 it was WAY off topic.

[HannibalBEATNGU]

I thought Hannibal was a far superior sequel to The Silence of the Lambs.
It put Lecter front and center instead of in the background, his dark sense of humor was absolutely pefect(this movie has some of my favorite quotes in cinematic history), you actually got to see him in action against the rude, ignorant, and immature types that he loathes so much, Silence just tells you that he feels this way and you don't really get to see it so it's not as gratifying, Clarice is a much stronger character than she was as a fledgling agent in Silence because she has a decade of experience, Zimmer's score is amazingly dark, romantic, beauitful, eerie, and sophisticad all at the same time, it had the best character ensamble of the trilogy, and I loved the Italian atmosphere.

I strongly disagree with the belief that most sequels suck though. I think many have surpassed their predecessors. Hannibal is only 1 example.

[Johnathon]

Originally posted by MichaelMyers
Two words: Spiderman 2.

I agree with you on that. Spider-Man 2 was cool. Spider-Man 1 sucked.

[ShapeSlasher]

My sequels that were better than the originals are:

Terminator 2
Spider-Man 2
X-Men 2
Austin Powers 2 & 3

Those are the only ones I that I agree with that I can think of, but I have a question: how would you handle the James Bond films? If those are considered sequels, then there are quite a few that were better than Dr. No. I also have to strongly disagree with you, MichaelMyers. Blade 2 and Men in Black 2 were much worse than the originals in my opinion.

[Maxvayne]

Gremlins 2 could be said to be better then the first. I hold them both equally though.

I think Friday the 13th 2,3,4,6, and 7 are better then the first. I would not call the first a bad movie, it's just not the classic that the sequels generated.

I could even say that Beverly Hills Cop 2 is better, but I also say it's equal.

[blicdh]

All Dogs Go to Heaven 2;)

[HEcamehome]

Terminator II
Men II B (Men In Black II)
Jay And Silent Bob Strike Back
Mallrats
Austin Powers In Goldmember
Friday The 13th Pt 6: Jason Lives

[Bucky-lives]

i like amityville horror better than i like the prequel. i found the son to be sick and annoying in the movie. the first was creepy and fun. one sequel i do think was better than the original was
spider-man.

[myershall]

I would ahve to say that the Harry Potter sequel is better than the first

[Jason Voorhees]

Back To The Future Part 2 was better than the first IMO.

[FTL]

I beg to differ on that one. Back to the Future II is more rehashed events/sequences from the original than anything.

[jmb_052]

I though Back to the Future 3 was better than 2, yet not as good as 1.

[blicdh]

I have a hunch that Passion of the Clerks is going to be better than Clerks itself. But only time will tell.

Though hopefully they stick to the black and white film they did for Clerks though, I love that movie.

Kevin Smith is such a brilliant film maker.;)


-Biggy

[jmb_052]

I honestly do not know if anything can touch the great Clerks.

[FTL]

Originally posted by blicdh
Though hopefully they stick to the black and white film they did for Clerks though, I love that movie.


It's supposedly gonna be filmed in B&W and color.

[TheCurse]

Though it isn't horror, I liked Batman Returns more than the first Batman.

And even though it isn't a movie, Streets of Rage 2 is mountains better than Streets of Rage 1.

[Evil Never Dies]

Originally posted by TheCurse
Though it isn't horror, I liked Batman Returns more than the first Batman.

And even though it isn't a movie, Streets of Rage 2 is mountains better than Streets of Rage 1.

I totaly agree with you. Batman 2 i though was better and street's of rage 2 was better that the first.

[H-field Hero]

Originally posted by TheCurse
And even though it isn't a movie, Streets of Rage 2 is mountains better than Streets of Rage 1. haha wtf. You're talking about old ass video games for sega genesis. Video game sequels usually are better. Just like the GTA games get better with each subsequent release. Wait... why in the hell are video games even being discussed in this thread? lol

[freethy]

Originally posted by H-field Hero
haha wtf. You're talking about old ass video games for sega genesis. Video game sequels usually are better. Just like the GTA games get better with each subsequent release. Wait... why in the hell are video games even being discussed in this thread? lol

Because video games these days are more fun then movies.

I'm still hooked on San andreas...lol

My two cents? Don't ever bother with sequels. Sure, they might sound like a good idea at first, but they usualy end up sucking my balls all night long. Make new movies, new stories, and leave all this sequel business to Sony and Microsoft.

[Donnie Darko]

i dont think thats an entirely true statement, really, think of TV shows, most of the time they get better between seasons 1 and 2 and so on, they really learn the chemistry of the actors better as shows develop and they kinda realise what the show is supposed to mean... not all the time, but sometimes.

i think H2 is better than the original.
Dawn of the Dead is better than Night, if you ask me.

theres always gonna be a crowd that cherishes originals for originality though

[freethy]

I don't like original movies just because they are the original. I just don't see the point in sequels. Seem's like a waist of time. TV shows are not the same, but often get boring and doll after 2 or 3 seasons anyway.

I just like to see more new things, rather then a re-take of what has already been done when it comes to movies.

Sure, you'll get the odd sequel that will be better then the original, but I still don't think it's worth it.

[Annie]

Empire Strikes Back...brilliant

Wayne's World 2 was much funnier than the first, IMO

Austin Powers -- Ditto

HP and the Chamber of Secrets -- much better than the first one. I like them all, but Chamber rules

LOTR:Two Towers -- another one where the second is the best in the lot

Cheeri-o!
Jean:D

[Jeanette]

Originally posted by 666

Home Alone 2



I LOVE Home Alone and there can be NO way part 2 is better................:confused:

[FTL]

I despise Home Alone aka The Film That Turned Joe Pesci into Joe Pussy.

[Slab]

Originally posted by FTL
I despise Home Alone aka The Film That Turned Joe Pesci into Joe Pussy.

He chose his path. :p

Honestly though, I can't fault these guys for doing different things. As you said earlier, they have nothing to prove as they've shown what they're capable of.

At the same time, they want to show that they aren't stagnant, and can work in other genres. They're not always good films, but I admire the chance they take.

The first film I ever saw Pesci in was Easy Money back in '83, and I loved it. :p

[Ultimate Killer]

Spiderman II, Resident Evil II. were better in than the originals, IMO.

[FTL]

Originally posted by The Slab
At the same time, they want to show that they aren't stagnant, and can work in other genres. They're not always good films, but I admire the chance they take.


Pussy's been taking chances for way too long haha. It's time he teams up with 'ol Bobby and save his old, tainted name.

[H-field Hero]

Originally posted by FTL
I despise Home Alone aka The Film That Turned Joe Pesci into Joe Pussy. It's all about expanding and not being a single genre actor. It is funny when I see Pesci in his earlier mafia flicks, because it looks so weird. Growing up when I thought Joe Pesci the first thing that came to mind was Home Alone and Lethal Weapon 2 and 3.

Pesci, "Can you please get me some cotton balls for my nose"

Gibson, "Can you please shut the fuck up". haha

[FTL]

Originally posted by H-field Hero
It's all about expanding and not being a single genre actor. It is funny when I see Pesci in his earlier mafia flicks, because it looks so weird. Growing up when I thought Joe Pesci the first thing that came to mind was Home Alone and Lethal Weapon 2 and 3.


It's not really just GoodFellas and Casino that spring to mind, though it is Pesci at his best. Raging Bull and My Cousin Vinny and shit like that...and I understand expanding, but there comes a time where you got to stick to what your act appears to be. Al Pacino did that and DeNiro didn't.

Who did we see dominate the 90's? Scarface, not the taxi driver. It's a shame Pussy didn't at least try to follow in Pacino's steps...and no one please, don't mention 8 Heads in a Duffel Bag haha

[scarymoviechap]

I too agree that Batman: Returns is way better than the original. Also, Child's Play 2 and Harry Potter 3. I don't understand the "I Still Know" responses though... the first one was way better, but I love them both.

[Loomis 91]

The sequels that I think surpassed their predeccesors:

T2
Spider-Man 2
Batman Returns
Sleepaway Camp 2
Friday The 13th Part 6

[Cruel Intentions]

The original Austin Powers is the best.

[Cruel Intentions]

Yes, Home Alone 2 ks a hell lot better than the first.

[Rabbit in Red]

Originally posted by HEcamehome
Austin Powers In Goldmember


What the feeeeck!

[Rabbit in Red]

Originally posted by BreakfastClub85
Yes, Home Alone 2 ks a hell lot better than the first.

Double What the feeeeeck!

[H-field Hero]

Originally posted by Rabbit in Red
Double What the feeeeeck! Yeah really. Part 2 was lame in comparison.

"Do these vans get good gas mileage? Does it have 4 wheel drive?" haha

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by Loomis 91
The sequels that I think surpassed their predeccesors:

T2
Spider-Man 2
Batman Returns
Sleepaway Camp 2
Friday The 13th Part 6

I totaly agree with all of those except Friday part VI. New Begining was definantly better. :)

[Loomis 91]

Originally posted by boogeyman87
I totaly agree with all of those except Friday part VI. New Begining was definantly better. :)
I just wanted to tell you, boogeyman, that I watched Part V again recently and I had alot of fun watching it. Way better than I remember!

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by Loomis 91
I just wanted to tell you, boogeyman, that I watched Part V again recently and I had alot of fun watching it. Way better than I remember!

Good! My names Chris and I'm glad you enjoyed it. :)

[Ike Carr]

My list of film sequels that I like just as, or more than the originals.

Blade 2
Lethal Weapon 2 and 3
Evil Dead 2 and Army of Darkness
Terminator 2
Vampire Hunter D:Bloodlust
Halloween 4:The Return of Micheal Myers(My favorite of the series.)
Aliens
Gamera 2 and 3
Star Trek:First Contact
A Nightmare On Elm Street 3 and 4
Friday The 13th 2-4, 6-7
Phantasm II
Jeepers Creepers II
Dracula II:The Ascension

[ten31]

Bloody Murder 2 was hands down better than the first one.

[myershall2]

Hey I have some new ones for peoples to think of,
Blade trinity

[Creepingmouth]

Star Wars Ep. V- Empire Strikes Back
Terminator 2
Friday the 13th part 2-3-4
Spider-Man 2!!!!
Blade 2
Aliens!!!!
Evil Dead 2 (more funny)
Conan the Destoyer
Scary Movie 2

[Slab]

Originally posted by Creepingmouth
Star Wars Ep. V- Empire Strikes Back
Terminator 2
Friday the 13th part 2-3-4
Spider-Man 2!!!!
Blade 2
Aliens!!!!
Evil Dead 2 (more funny)
Conan the Destoyer
Scary Movie 2

The only ones I'd call better than the originals on this list are...

ESB
Friday 2 and maybe 4
Aliens
ED2

The rest are on par, just below, or plain ass.

In my opinion. :)

[MMyers89]

American Pie 2, but AP 3 sucked.

[Hall9ween]

Neither films were anything spectacular, but I liked Resident Evil: Apocalypse a smidge better than the first Resident Evil.

[Miller]

I prefered the Silence of the Lambs over Manhunter, if that counts.

[Cruel Intentions]

Originally posted by mikeymoves
I Still know what you did last summer. It was better than the first because of the rainy cleavage shot. That's it.

But there wasn't any Sarah Michelle Gellar or Ryan Phillippe. I definitly vote the original.

Rush Hour 2, I thought was better than the original. A lot more funny and better story.

[Creepingmouth]

Originally posted by The Slab
The only ones I'd call better than the originals on this list are...

ESB
Friday 2 and maybe 4
Aliens
ED2

The rest are on par, just below, or plain ass.

In my opinion. :)

that's ok

but I really consider Spider-Man 2 and T-2 better than the originals

[myershall2]

okay there is also the kill bill vol. 2

[Creepingmouth]

Originally posted by myershall2
okay there is also the kill bill vol. 2

no there's not,volume 2 is not a sequel but simply the second part of a long movie splitted in two for commercial purpose,besides I find way better the first part

[Maxvayne]

I just see it as one movie.