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DanielleRocks
09-13-2009, 04:44 PM
Now, if there's already a thread on this, then sorry, and this one can be closed, but here's my question.

What would have happened if Deborah hadn't comitted suicide all those years ago? If Michael broke out while she was still alive, what he have done with her? She'd probably living in the same house, or a smaller one, but she'd definitely have Angel with her. Would he let his mother be? She'd most likely call the authorities, which might prompt him to kill her. It just sounds like an interesting 'What If..' situation that got me thinking. Any thoughts on this??

theshape09
09-13-2009, 04:47 PM
i think he'll let her go since she never done anything bad to him as a kid

The Dark Knight
09-13-2009, 04:49 PM
i think he'll let her go since she never done anything bad to him as a kid

But neither did Trejo's character.

Masked Madman
09-13-2009, 04:52 PM
They would live happily ever after.

Scarface
09-13-2009, 04:55 PM
I think Deborah was a total bitch to commit suicide in the first place. A very unlikeable movie. With the baby in the same fucking house? Lame, and pathetic. If she were still alive, I don't know if it would even play out the same. She'd most likely still visit Michael at the penitentiary. I just don't see why he'd bust out and escape if she were still alive.

Michael Voorhees
09-13-2009, 06:07 PM
Trejo wasn't a family member of Michael, and he was in his way of freedom, so he killed him. If he let Michael go about his business....nah, he'd still have killed him. But Deborah? Michael would NEVER lay a hand on her. He loved her unconditionally, and she and Laurie were really all he had left. If she were around I think Michael may have gotten somewhat better overtime. But yes, it was cowardly to commit suicide when you have another baby to raise.

missvirginia91
09-13-2009, 06:12 PM
I don't think he would hurt her. He loved his mother very much, and I just can't see him doing that. It is interesting to think about though.

Slasher Fan
09-13-2009, 06:14 PM
I think Deborah was a total bitch to commit suicide in the first place. A very unlikeable movie. With the baby in the same fucking house? Lame, and pathetic. If she were still alive, I don't know if it would even play out the same. She'd most likely still visit Michael at the penitentiary. I just don't see why he'd bust out and escape if she were still alive.

You and I seem to be sharing the same train of thought everywhere this evening lol.

I agree with this.

Danny Strode
09-13-2009, 06:56 PM
Hmm... interesting question you pose.

Personally, I don't think that the living environments were that good, and I don't think it would've been much of a stretch that Angel/Laurie was taken away anyway. Regardless of what happened, I think Deborah's mental stability would've gone arwy over time and she wouldn't have been in a stable enough condition to take care of a child.

Michael Voorhees
09-13-2009, 07:12 PM
That could've actually been an interesting route to go, as long as Deborah wouldn't have become a killer.

Danny Strode
09-13-2009, 07:15 PM
That could've actually been an interesting route to go, as long as Deborah wouldn't have become a killer.

No, I don't see that in Deborah. Not that I think that her committing suicide is justified, but it was a route that I saw coming and was probably most... suitable.

Michael Voorhees
09-13-2009, 07:17 PM
It probably was, but had she became a killer of any kind, that'd have been straight out of F13.

And not to get too off-topic, but quite a few people have claimed that Rob & Tyler hate Jason. Is there any truth in that?

Scarface
09-13-2009, 07:26 PM
Yes. The fact that Rob has said so in an interview (from around when RZH was first released), which can be found somewhere, and the fact that there's a picture around of Tyler giving the hockey mask the bird.

Michael Voorhees
09-13-2009, 07:41 PM
I saw him with the hockey mask giving it a thumb's down, but can someone tell me what Rob said in the interview?

Scarface
09-13-2009, 07:53 PM
I saw him with the hockey mask giving it a thumb's down, but can someone tell me what Rob said in the interview?

Eh, the finger, thumbs down, same thing. Been a while since I've even seen it. But basically, Rob dismissed the Friday the 13th films. I honestly can't recollect what he said. It's been well over two years since I've even read. I'm sure someone with a better memory can tell you.

Franchise
09-13-2009, 08:02 PM
Now, if there's already a thread on this, then sorry, and this one can be closed, but here's my question.

What would have happened if Deborah hadn't comitted suicide all those years ago? If Michael broke out while she was still alive, what he have done with her? She'd probably living in the same house, or a smaller one, but she'd definitely have Angel with her. Would he let his mother be? She'd most likely call the authorities, which might prompt him to kill her. It just sounds like an interesting 'What If..' situation that got me thinking. Any thoughts on this??

I agree that she'd still have Angel with her, but who really knows for sure? I could see a scenario where Michael gets out and ends up chasing the both of them down. I believe that Michael would have seen them both the same way as he saw Loomis as someone who stands in the way of him truly going home.

I'm waiting for EOTL to give us an interesting scenario.

Michael Voorhees
09-13-2009, 08:04 PM
I wasn't correcting you, just letting you know the picture that I saw. There could very well be another up with him using the middle finger.

But I don't understand why they hate the F13 films so much. I'd bet if they offered Tyler enough dough he'd portray Jason. ;)

Danny Strode
09-14-2009, 05:30 PM
I agree that she'd still have Angel with her, but who really knows for sure? I could see a scenario where Michael gets out and ends up chasing the both of them down. I believe that Michael would have seen them both the same way as he saw Loomis as someone who stands in the way of him truly going home.

You think so? I thought he had enough respect for his mother, in both films, to not go after her. Just my thought.

Michael Voorhees
09-14-2009, 05:42 PM
I am of the belief he'd never harm his mother, especially since she was nice to him at all times and had a tremendous amount of love for him. I think she even feared him a little.

TheShape'78
09-14-2009, 05:45 PM
If it means anything, he did snap at her in the hospital after he stabbed the bitch nurse with a fork. I really don't know if he would kill her or not, maybe if she got in his way (i.e. Ismael. Of course he wasn't his mother, but still, he was a person who was nothing but nice to him). He is a killing machine, he probably would kill her.

-mitch-

Michael Voorhees
09-14-2009, 05:46 PM
Yes, but I don't see that as indication of him wanting to kill her.

Franchise
09-14-2009, 05:47 PM
Resentment towards her abandoning him at the hospital? No one sees that but me? Hmm? That's just weird.

TheShape'78
09-14-2009, 05:48 PM
Resentment towards her abandoning him at the hospital? No one sees that but me? Hmm? That's just weird.

Good point.

-mitch-

TheThirdHalf
09-14-2009, 05:48 PM
I thought that abandonment was an underlying theme in RZH in my opinion

Danny Strode
09-14-2009, 05:49 PM
If it means anything, he did snap at her in the hospital after he stabbed the bitch nurse with a fork. I really don't know if he would kill her or not, maybe if she got in his way (i.e. Ismael. Of course he wasn't his mother, but still, he was a person who was nothing but nice to him). He is a killing machine, he probably would kill her.

-mitch-

I had taken that as just, you know, adrenaline.


Resentment towards her abandoning him at the hospital? No one sees that but me? Hmm? That's just weird.

Well, from a standpoint, there wasn't much she could've done. Michael didn't understand that.

Franchise
09-14-2009, 05:52 PM
I thought that abandonment was an underlying theme in RZH in my opinion

Exactly.



Well, from a standpoint, there wasn't much she could've done. Michael didn't understand that.

And that's why he'd have come after her.

Michael Voorhees
09-14-2009, 05:55 PM
Even if he felt somewhat abandoned, by her visiting him, I don't think he'd have killed her. But if he did it'd probably add to how twisted and insane he is.

TheShape'78
09-14-2009, 06:00 PM
I had taken that as just, you know, adrenaline.

And you could be right. I was really just throwing that out there. I personally don't think it was just adrenaline, though, that caused him to do that. I always felt he held some resentment for her by that point, but never gave much thought as to why. I think Franchise has pin pointed it, though, causing me to have a major "duh, of course" moment. I completely agree with him on it.

-mitch-

Danny Strode
09-16-2009, 01:31 PM
And you could be right. I was really just throwing that out there. I personally don't think it was just adrenaline, though, that caused him to do that.

-mitch-

Oh, I know you were throwing it out there. Believe me, I was flying by the seat of my pants with my reason more than you were when you made your post. ;)

Michael Voorhees
10-18-2009, 01:16 AM
I was thinking some more about this, and I actually would've been in favor of Michael maybe tracking her down and killing her to show how far gone he was.

Scarface
10-18-2009, 01:25 AM
But it wouldn't make much sense. In RZH, he initially wasn't trying to kill Laurie. Why would he kill his own mother, but not Laurie?

Michael Voorhees
10-18-2009, 01:28 AM
If he was going to kill Deborah, I'd have wanted to see him trying to kill Laurie as well.

theshape09
10-18-2009, 01:40 AM
But neither did Trejo's character.

but Trejo's character wanted to stop micheal from escaping soo micheal had to kill him so he can escape:nodsmile:

Michael Voorhees
10-18-2009, 01:41 AM
I honestly think Michael never gave a damn about Trejo's character.

tha shape
11-02-2009, 02:14 PM
I honestly think Michael never gave a damn about Trejo's character.

Why not?His character was the only one i kinda felt bad for.

Masked Madman
11-02-2009, 02:27 PM
I was thinking some more about this, and I actually would've been in favor of Michael maybe tracking her down and killing her to show how far gone he was.

Would have made his whole vision thing in RZH2 pointless though.

Michael Voorhees
11-02-2009, 06:54 PM
Well, yeah, the whole movie would've been different if that idea was followed, obviously.

jaquen
11-30-2009, 06:24 AM
I think RZH2 answers any enquiries regarding how Michael feels about his mother. He literally worshipped her within his own unique reality, to the point of deity. When informed of her death, he didn't even register grief because clearly he'd been communicating with his mother in his mind likely from the day she left him forward.

There is no way in hell Michael would have touched a hair on Deb's head, at least not when considering the relationship between mother-son established in the sequel.

Darth Revan
01-31-2010, 01:08 PM
Hmm... interesting question you pose.

Personally, I don't think that the living environments were that good, and I don't think it would've been much of a stretch that Angel/Laurie was taken away anyway. Regardless of what happened, I think Deborah's mental stability would've gone arwy over time and she wouldn't have been in a stable enough condition to take care of a child.

I will have to agree with you! :) If Deborah would have been VERY mentally unstable, had she not committed suicide. My guess would be she'd be like "Haddonfield's Crazy Cat Lady" of sorts...She'd probably be very secluded and maybe even obsessed with the thought of "Where did I go wrong with Michael" kinda thoughts. JUst my opinion....

myerslilBRO
02-22-2010, 09:12 AM
he wouldn't have gone after her...but does anyone think that maybe deborah's ghost was with Michael all along during this movie before we could actually see his visions in 'H2'?

The Frightmaster
02-22-2010, 10:39 AM
Now, if there's already a thread on this, then sorry, and this one can be closed, but here's my question.

What would have happened if Deborah hadn't comitted suicide all those years ago? If Michael broke out while she was still alive, what he have done with her? She'd probably living in the same house, or a smaller one, but she'd definitely have Angel with her. Would he let his mother be? She'd most likely call the authorities, which might prompt him to kill her. It just sounds like an interesting 'What If..' situation that got me thinking. Any thoughts on this??

If Deborah would of been alive when Michael broke out, then there probably wouldn't of been a movie. All Michael seemed to want in the remake was to reunite his family, so assuming that Deborah and Laurie would of been still been together in Haddonfield, then there wouldn't of been any reason for Michael to go on some killing spree. But I'm sure if they had moved Michael would of been able to sniff them out, seeing how he was able to identify Laurie even though the last time he saw her she was a baby. So, anyway if Michael found them I don't think he would kill them seeing how it was never his intent to kill Laurie in the remake. I think that Deborah would welcome Michael with open arms. I think she would slip into some fantasy land where everything will be okay now that her little boy is finally home and she'd want to protect and take care of him. But on the hand I don't think Laurie would be very comfortable seeing how Michael is a psychopath and all. And I think it would lead to a detrimental situation between the family.

Man In Black
04-14-2010, 03:03 AM
In the first draft, that is what happened. Deborah seemingly abandons Michael before he even stops talking. She doesn't kill herself and moves into a trailer (somewhere).

When Michael escapes, the first thing he does, post-Joe Grizzley, is somehow track her down to her trailer. She's watching a newscast on Loomis, but holds a gun in her hand. Michael then breaks in, shunts Laurie's baby picture at her, shouts "Boo...Boo", Deborah says she gave her away and Michael will never find here. Then she shoots herself.

Obviously, her character was different in the movie, and she continued to visit Michael and only decided to stop (and do herself in) after the nurse event (a similar event happened in the script, but it was after Deborah disappears from the story).

Interesting to see what Michael would have done when he got out if the more caring version of Deborah from the movie did what script Deborah did and just stopped visiting him.

Diamond Wings
04-14-2010, 04:54 AM
In the first draft, that is what happened. Deborah seemingly abandons Michael before he even stops talking. She doesn't kill herself and moves into a trailer (somewhere).

When Michael escapes, the first thing he does, post-Joe Grizzley, is somehow track her down to her trailer. She's watching a newscast on Loomis, but holds a gun in her hand. Michael then breaks in, shunts Laurie's baby picture at her, shouts "Boo...Boo", Deborah says she gave her away and Michael will never find here. Then she shoots herself.

Obviously, her character was different in the movie, and she continued to visit Michael and only decided to stop (and do herself in) after the nurse event (a similar event happened in the script, but it was after Deborah disappears from the story).

Interesting to see what Michael would have done when he got out if the more caring version of Deborah from the movie did what script Deborah did and just stopped visiting him.

This really would've put a different spin on things. While she didn't make the greatest choices for her family, I found her to be one of only a few slightly likeable characters in the first RZH. This plot twist would've changed that a bit, at least for me.

WhiteMask
04-14-2010, 03:26 PM
In the first draft, that is what happened. Deborah seemingly abandons Michael before he even stops talking. She doesn't kill herself and moves into a trailer (somewhere).

When Michael escapes, the first thing he does, post-Joe Grizzley, is somehow track her down to her trailer. She's watching a newscast on Loomis, but holds a gun in her hand. Michael then breaks in, shunts Laurie's baby picture at her, shouts "Boo...Boo", Deborah says she gave her away and Michael will never find here. Then she shoots herself.

Obviously, her character was different in the movie, and she continued to visit Michael and only decided to stop (and do herself in) after the nurse event (a similar event happened in the script, but it was after Deborah disappears from the story).

Interesting to see what Michael would have done when he got out if the more caring version of Deborah from the movie did what script Deborah did and just stopped visiting him.

Where did you hear this from?

Black Sunshine
04-14-2010, 03:27 PM
Where did you hear this from?

in the first line of MIB's statement he says that it was from the first draft (of the script).

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blacksymbiote
07-13-2011, 06:43 PM
I think Michael would have ultimately tried to kill Deborah and Angel since he can't really bond with them since he was a psychopath. He had his own bizarre feeling of love for them that wouldn't work.