Is micheal human??

[Refuse]

Is he actually a human. I was thinking about this the other day beacuse my freind says that he isnt, i think that he is. And in halloween 4 lommis says that he isnt....?

[thetodd]

Loomis said that the human part of Michael had died, but in H5, he attempts to reason with whatever humanity remains in Michael. Apparently there is some humanity left in him, because he actually takes off his mask and we see tears in his eye as he is struggling with whether to kill Jamie Loyd.
I think Michael is a human who has been taken over by evil.

[Refuse]

Same here i think hes a human because he lookes like one, he moves like one. etc He just doesent act like the average one! LOL

[NCamp]

Yeah hes still human. Just cursed IMO. I like to believe H6's storyline.

[MischievousSpirit]

He's purely, simply, EVIL!

[MichaelMyers]

He's human. He is cursed and that makes him kill.

[Beau]

He's more human that Jason Voorhees.

[Laow-Z]

No human can take what Michael went through...

"I shot him 6 times...i shot him in the heart, this guy this man he's not human!!!" -- Loomis (beginning of H2)

[thetodd]

Originally posted by Laow-Z
No human can take what Michael went through...

"I shot him 6 times...i shot him in the heart, this guy this man he's not human!!!" -- Loomis (beginning of H2)
Yeah, there definitely has to be a supernatural aspect to Myers.

[BloodIntoIce]

so apparently michael's mom got knocked up by some aliens during an abduction and gave birth to extraterrstrial michael myers, cuz that happens a lot nowadays. chicks givin birth to non human babies.

[the angel song]

^ ahaha wut in tha heo. woOo~ martian myers.

[theoutfieldguy]

Originally posted by Refuse
Is he actually a human. I was thinking about this the other day beacuse my freind says that he isnt, i think that he is. And in halloween 4 lommis says that he isnt....?

He is a human with superhuman powers as far as I'm concerned.

[Obi-Wan]

I prefer to believe that Michael Myers was human, but the Shape isn't.

Obi

[Dawidos]

Ok listen then.

First let's assume that Halloween movies are horror movies. In horrors a killer (a main negative hero) is always strong, tough, hardy. So it's hard to kill him, but it doesn't mean that the killer is not a human !!! In Halloween series there are two images of Michael Myers

H1, H2, H7, H8 - Michael Myers is a psychopathic serial killer, a ruthless madman, who kills, because he wants to do it !!!

H4, H4, H6 - Michael Myers is a victim, who was cursed. The curse gave him supernatural powers and made him evil.


I agree with thetodd, who combined that two ideas. :)

[CURSE]

in H1, michael was only meant to be pure simply evil. Not cursed with anything, there wasent meant to be any reason behind it and that´s the way i look at michael, just pure evil on two legs.

[Soulless]

Michael is not human. If anyone sees all the films in the series, which everyone here has, it's quite obvious that Michael is more then human. He's evil to the core, almost like a demon.

[takerkane8]

Originally posted by CURSE
in H1, michael was only meant to be pure simply evil. Not cursed with anything, there wasent meant to be any reason behind it and that´s the way i look at michael, just pure evil on two legs.

Yeah I agree with this... Michael is pure evil EMBODIED in human form. His shell is human, but whats inside definately isn't. What caused this is a mystery, and thats what makes it so great.

You see the thing about part 6 is... it never says that the Thorn curse is really the reason that Michael is the way he is. It's just what Tommy has come to gather and its what the Thorn cult believes. It's just a theory... A theory that, the way I see it, is proven wrong at the end of the movie when Michael comes into the sanitarium and completely slaughters the "thorn cult" while they're trying to perform whatever they are trying to perform to make Michael's baby "pure evil".

You can't control evil... and you can't explain it with some curse. You can try, but your just gonna get yourself dead, plain and simple.

[theoutfieldguy]

Originally posted by Soulless
Michael is not human. If anyone sees all the films in the series, which everyone here has, it's quite obvious that Michael is more then human. He's evil to the core, almost like a demon.

He looks like a human with a mask on.Even in your AV.;):D

[Jessedraper]

dr. loomis said it once and he will say it again michael myers is pure evil no one can take michael out
but he is a man he is just immortal

[takerkane8]

Well how can he be "purly and simply evil" and be a man at the same time? The question is, just because you look like a man and walk like a man, does that mean you ARE a man? I think hes more of an evil force thats housed INSIDE a human body.

Heres a question for everyone who says hes a man but immortal... what would happen if you cut off michaels head? Lets just say that H8 never revealed that it wasnt michael that Laurie beheaded... Do you think that would kill michael? Would he grow a new head? would he sit up headless and go sew his head back on? Would the evil force inside him leave that body for another body? Everyone says "He cant be stopped" in all the movies... why doesnt anyone try like shooting him with a rocket launcher or throwing a granade down his jump suit? Would that stop him? or would the evil still find a way to live on?

[Dawidos]

I think he is very tough, but cutting his head off will kill him eventually. The evil inside him makes him stronger, tougher than anyone else, but not immortal. If he had been immortal, the crew from H8 wouldn't have made that story (that the man who was decapilated was a policeman, and Michael escaped from authorities).

And I repeat it again : he is not that stupid Jason Vorhees :mad: :mad:

[freethy]

Originally posted by MischievousSpirit
He's purely, simply, EVIL!

That's purely and simply the biggest copout ever haha!

Now with the original this was all left up to your imagination. We take into account what Loomis has to say, but this is the words of a obssessed and probably god fearing man who has dedicated 15 years of his life to treating and trying to work Michael out.

Now, all he talk of evil certainly gives him a dark persona and there are somethings in life that are left un-answered. At the end, his motives and what drives him is un-answered and that is what makes you think. I think he was human, but a very dangerous human. He was everything dark about our humanity. God knows what goes on in his head or what is driving him to be so unrealentlesly dertermined to kill indiscriminantly at random (sp?)

The end makes you think. Be whatever evil or the darker side of humanity or whatever you wanna call it, it's out there, and it's everywhere. On the streets of detroit, on the battle fields in iraq, or even in your sleepy suburban neighborhood.

[BloodIntoIce]

Originally posted by takerkane8
Well how can he be "purly and simply evil" and be a man at the same time? The question is, just because you look like a man and walk like a man, does that mean you ARE a man? I think hes more of an evil force thats housed INSIDE a human body.

Heres a question for everyone who says hes a man but immortal... what would happen if you cut off michaels head? Lets just say that H8 never revealed that it wasnt michael that Laurie beheaded... Do you think that would kill michael? Would he grow a new head? would he sit up headless and go sew his head back on? Would the evil force inside him leave that body for another body? Everyone says "He cant be stopped" in all the movies... why doesnt anyone try like shooting him with a rocket launcher or throwing a granade down his jump suit? Would that stop him? or would the evil still find a way to live on?

hah, that made me chuckle. ponders....

I think he is very tough, but cutting his head off will kill him eventually. The evil inside him makes him stronger, tougher than anyone else, but not immortal. If he had been immortal, the crew from H8 wouldn't have made that story (that the man who was decapilated was a policeman, and Michael escaped from authorities).

i agree with this man a hundred percent. the last sentence is the key. if michael was so immortal, why would they create that whole storyline about the dude gettin his head whacked off? huh? huh?!?

[Refuse]

I have proof that micheal is human, watch the 25th anniversary version of halloween and put in the second disc. If you watch the disc john carpenter himself says that mcheal is human.

[Marlene]

I like to believe that Michael is sort of the spawn of satan, and that he has the look of a human, but no human qualities.

I mean, doesn't he ever eat? He certainly enjoyed fried rats in the cellar underneath his house in HR!

Michael's EVIL on two legs....

[Cruel Intentions]

He developed into becoming a force

[ShadowX81]

Michael is definatly human. H5 showed us not only was he notpure evil, he had some sympathy in him. Michael is just a kid who is realy screwed up in the head. in his mind dr. Wynn is the only one he can trust and that is why I believe he still takes orders from him. There is nothing supernatural about Michael. I feel that his desire for killing blocks out him feeling pain. he has trained his body to the very peak of human capacity. that allows him to be stronger, faster, and better.
One question to ponder. Isd it possible that michael could be wearing some kid of cavlar vest under his body suit. That could explain him surviving alot of the stuff he shouldnt. The rest of the stuff thats been dont to him can be explained in my first paragraph.

[takerkane8]

Originally posted by BloodIntoIce
hah, that made me chuckle. ponders....



i agree with this man a hundred percent. the last sentence is the key. if michael was so immortal, why would they create that whole storyline about the dude gettin his head whacked off? huh? huh?!?

Well we are talking as if they arent movies made by people that "Created a storyline"... So in thinking like that... Michael didnt feel like dealing with the swarm of authorities that arrived at the school so he used the paramedic as the distraction to slip out the back... Getting your head chopped off would be a bitch, whether you could grow it back or enter another body and survive or not... So just because they made that paramedic mistake storyline happen instead doesnt MEAN that if Michael had gotten his head chopped off he'd be dead. We dont know because it didnt happen (yet?).

[TheCurse]

And if it dead, then Michael would have some problems.

[Tom]

Hello! Remember the movie is called "Halloween" - The day when you put on a mask to hide your true form - Michael's choice of mask? A human face. To hide? Obviously something that's the opposite of human... INHUMAN. You can't go by the movies themselves as guides to whether Michael's human or not 'cos in effect there a two Michael's - that's the problem with the series, there's no hard evidence on what Myers is. It's what makes me like the movies, there's no explanation. And when you try and explain him, it usually ends up complicating the plot so much so that people try and forget it ever happened.

[scarred4life]

Oh yeah he's human, unlike Jason who's just some worm thing in a human body

[Crow]

well he must be the strongest human ever considering all the punishment hes taken.

[zombie commando]

There's no way in hell he is human. Have you even SEEN the movies?

[AJ*]

I believe Michael is human in H1. After Loomis shoots him 6 times he becomes sort of an evil entity. His movements are very slow, almost zombie-like in contrast with his quicker movements in H1.

[October31]

Ok, I'm new so nobody cares about my opinion :) but...
I think that Michael is human. Some examples:
He eats (HR)
Cries (5)
Drives (All I think)
Locks the car with a button (H8 deleted scene) lol by the way

I thinkg that those 15 years in the mental house, and 25 out of it he has trained himself to feel no pain. I also think that after each "battle", he bandages himself, and does normal things. And lastly, I think that Tommy Doyle is insane, and wants deeply to believe the Thorn thing, otherwise, pondering the evil would be to much, so he found a reason.

[MichaelMyers]

Originally posted by October31
Ok, I'm new so nobody cares about my opinion :) but...
I think that Michael is human. Some examples:
He eats (HR)
Cries (5)
Drives (All I think)
Locks the car with a button (H8 deleted scene) lol by the way

I thinkg that those 15 years in the mental house, and 25 out of it he has trained himself to feel no pain. I also think that after each "battle", he bandages himself, and does normal things. And lastly, I think that Tommy Doyle is insane, and wants deeply to believe the Thorn thing, otherwise, pondering the evil would be to much, so he found a reason.
Everyone's opinion counts.

[deedeepage]

THERE'S NO WAY MIKEY IS HUMAN. WHAT HUMAN CAN ACTUALLY TAKE ALL THE CRAP THAT MICHAEL WENT THROUGH. FROM BEING DECAPITATED, SET ON FIRE, HAVING HIS EYES GAUGED OUT I MEAN COME ON HE CAN'T BE HUMAN. LIKE DR. LOOMIS SAID "I LOOKED INTO HIS BLACK EYES AND SAEW NOTHING BUT PURE EVIL" HE'S JUST FLAT OUT AN EVIL DEMON IN THE FORM OF A HUMAN.

[MichaelMyers]

Originally posted by deedeepage
THERE'S NO WAY MIKEY IS HUMAN. WHAT HUMAN CAN ACTUALLY TAKE ALL THE CRAP THAT MICHAEL WENT THROUGH. FROM BEING DECAPITATED, SET ON FIRE, HAVING HIS EYES GAUGED OUT I MEAN COME ON HE CAN'T BE HUMAN. LIKE DR. LOOMIS SAID "I LOOKED INTO HIS BLACK EYES AND SAEW NOTHING BUT PURE EVIL" HE'S JUST FLAT OUT AN EVIL DEMON IN THE FORM OF A HUMAN.
He was never decapitated. Watch Halloween Resurrection and you will find this out.

[freethy]

Evil demon? Sorry but I don't think he is. I'm only going by the original movie here. If you look at teh whole series he starts to get all supernatural and shit. Yes, he did get shot 6 times, but I have heard of people surving like 13 bullets so it's not impossible.

Anyway, I basicly summed up what I think in my other post in this thread.

[FTL]

Originally posted by freethy
Yes, he did get shot 6 times, but I have heard of people surving like 13 bullets so it's not impossible.

And you're correct. People are shot more than Michael and end up being able to talk about it most times.

But some fellas are lucky and some ain't.

[Bucky-lives]

i think he was human and the evil has just completely taken over now. he can't be stopped. it's like he has been controlled by an evil force, maybe that's a good reason for a halloween / hellraiser movie but i wouldn't like to see that.
as much as i like pinhead he's not in the same league.
now loomis was human and did you notice how unstoppable he was. everyone picks on Mike and look at the doctor....was it not strange how he could survive so much? lol was he also inhuman?
or was he just a macho tough guy?

[sixxsixxsixx]

I think that Michael was human in H1 and H2. I have watched all of the movies but I like the first two on there own. I think a guy that is stalking people at night on the streets and in their homes is more of a scare than some mythological demon guy.

[zombie commando]

Originally posted by FTL
And you're correct. People are shot more than Michael and end up being able to talk about it most times.

But some fellas are lucky and some ain't.

Yeah, but those people usually don't get up and walk around right after they were shot like nothing happend.........

There is no way Myers is human.....NO WAY. Humans don't crush other people's skulls with their bare hands. Humans don't get their eyes blown out then pop back a few years later being able to see perfectly.

Myers is purely and simple motorized evil. He is Samhain personafied. If he was human before, he isn't human now.

[FTL]

Originally posted by zombie commando
Yeah, but those people usually don't get up and walk around right after they were shot like nothing happend.........


You have a point there. Everything else, I basically agree with you.

[DnceForce77]

I actually agree with a lot of the different points made throughout the thread. (ha! Funny...as I post this, amc is showing a commercial for H4 & 5 that will be airing tonight!)

Anyway... it's really hard to say what Michael is/has become. He was only a young boy when he murdered his sister Judith. The look on his face when he walked outside and his parents removed his mask... he looked a bit shocked, but not as if he cared. I would say that he was definitely human in 1 & 2. But there's always been something inside of him that took that certain human quality away from him.

There's a deleted scene from H:R that I believe should have been left in the very beginning. It was a home video of Michael and his family outside having BB-Q and it was the dad filming. Michael turns away from the camera and faces what seems to be a garage. His dad asks him to turn around and when he does, it's this young boy with dark, lifeless eyes, staring at the camera. I think that would have been a great addition to the film, however they apparently deemed it unneccesary for the film. (Just like many other little factoids and even entire films such as the H4-6 debate)

There are actually many holes in the entire series. They say he murdered his entire family. Well, we never saw or ever really heard of him murdering his parents. He was just simply whisked away into Dr. Loomis' care. When they showed him in the asylum, all he did was sit and stare out the window. I believe him to be mentally ill from evil.

One thing I don't get is that, when Laurie removes Michael's mask in H1 before Loomis shoots him, his face appears to be deformed. I don't know how this comes to be, as they never explain. So, really, there's a lot to be left to the imagination or just simply accepted. I don't know if that was their plan all along but, since there wasn't an original plan to have so many sequels to follow and different directors have done the films, things are going to get messed up. Don't get me wrong, this doesn't upset me any less. I'm a huge fan of the Halloween series and I wish they flowed quite nicely. I just have questions.

And I seem to have veered away from the topic a bit there, haven't I? lol. Sorry about that. This is my first post and I guess I had a lot to say. =) I think I'll save some for later and shut up. lol.

[DnceForce77]

I just found this on a fan website:

My theory relies on the fact that yes, "the shape" and Michael Myers are two distinct entities. Michael Myers is the human body that was inflicted with the curse of the Thorn. "The Shape" is like a spirit, which enveloped Michael's body. Whenever young Michael Myers was inflicted with the curse, is when "the shape" took over his body. "The Shape" was a name created by John Carpenter to illustrate that he is no longer a mere human being, but he is pure evil, in "the shape" of a human body. Hopefully this will clear up some questions many people have about the mystery of Michael Myers.

From this (http://www.geocities.com/madnessmike/halloween.htm) site.

I also found the Timeline to be extremely interesting. (and bits of it very helpful)

[takerkane8]

Originally posted by DnceForce77

There's a deleted scene from H:R that I believe should have been left in the very beginning. It was a home video of Michael and his family outside having BB-Q and it was the dad filming. Michael turns away from the camera and faces what seems to be a garage. His dad asks him to turn around and when he does, it's this young boy with dark, lifeless eyes, staring at the camera.

One thing I don't get is that, when Laurie removes Michael's mask in H1 before Loomis shoots him, his face appears to be deformed. I don't know how this comes to be, as they never explain.


Wait... where the Hell is this Deleted scene you are talking about? I have the DVD and all the deleted scenes I saw were pretty stupid. (i.e. Michael getting out of a car and engaging the security locks with a button and a *boop boop*). I didnt see any deleted scenes of home video footage of young michael.

As for Michael being deformed in M1 when his mask is taken off... I dont follow you there... He looks perfectly fine to me... he has a strange expression on his face like "Oh crap I can't do this without my mask on" but other than that, there isnt any deformaties!

As for everyone trying to argue a human can take the amount of punishment that Michael has taken (and the amount hes given for that matter such as the crushing skulls with bear hands) I think that is a little ridiculous! Yes someone could survive 6 bullets and a fall out of a second story window. but they wouldnt bet right up and walk away within seconds. And even if they did... The punishment Michael takes after this rules out the possibility that he is a COMPLETELY normal human. Look at the stats:

6 handgun shots first movie
Numerous handgun shots in the second movie
2 shots in the eye holes of his mask to the face or eyes
engulfed in flames
countless high powered rifles and shotgun blasts at the end of part 4
more handgun shots in part 5
relentless trama to the head via lead pipe in part 6
stabbed repeatedly in H20 followed by a fall off another balcony
Hung from a second story window in H8
Cut by chainsaw
again burned alive at the conclusion of part 8

This isnt even counting all of the other whacks with firepokers and fire extinquishers... at the very least the guy would have suffered a few concusions! Yeah I think its safe to at least say he isn't ALL human.

[Cruel Intentions]

Originally posted by takerkane8
Wait... where the Hell is this Deleted scene you are talking about? I have the DVD and all the deleted scenes I saw were pretty stupid. (i.e. Michael getting out of a car and engaging the security locks with a button and a *boop boop*). I didnt see any deleted scenes of home video footage of young michael.

As for Michael being deformed in M1 when his mask is taken off... I dont follow you there... He looks perfectly fine to me... he has a strange expression on his face like "Oh crap I can't do this without my mask on" but other than that, there isnt any deformaties!

I saw that delted scene on the internet

I didn't see him deformed at all either

[DnceForce77]

Originally posted by takerkane8
Wait... where the Hell is this Deleted scene you are talking about? I have the DVD and all the deleted scenes I saw were pretty stupid. (i.e. Michael getting out of a car and engaging the security locks with a button and a *boop boop*). I didnt see any deleted scenes of home video footage of young michael.

As for Michael being deformed in M1 when his mask is taken off... I dont follow you there... He looks perfectly fine to me... he has a strange expression on his face like "Oh crap I can't do this without my mask on" but other than that, there isnt any deformaties!

I got that scene off the internet, but I enjoyed it. I wish it was on the DVD. I'm guessing that it might not be an Official scene, but I had thought it was. (It's the version I saw before I saw the Theatrical release)

I guess he just looks somewhat deformed to me then. Something around his left eye. I've always thought that since my very first viewing, so maybe I just can't get past it because it's been many, many years. I dunno. I'm not claiming that he definitely is deformed, he just looks it to me. I guess I'm seeing it wrong.

He's definitely got NON-human, supernatural qualities to him, or he couldn't stand up right after being shot, stabbed or run over. I totally agree with that. I just think he started out human (obviously, since he was born to human parents) but evil transformed him.

[Bucky-lives]

yep pure evil!

[Khorne23]

Originally posted by DnceForce77
One thing I don't get is that, when Laurie removes Michael's mask in H1 before Loomis shoots him, his face appears to be deformed.

Laurie had just stabbed him in the eye with a coat hanger, and that eye was all swollen up from it. There's nothing wrong woith Michael's face otherwise in thats cene from Halloween 1.

[DigitalChaos]

Well, he's human, but he's cursed. That Thorn cult that Tommy discovers in The Curse of Michael Myers cursed him with evil.

[Khorne23]

How can Michael do all the things he's done, and sustain all the damage he has, and still be human? First of all, I take anything John Carpenter says about the character as handed down from on high, because he created the character, and knows what Michael was intended to be. Carpenter maintains that Michael is human, so, as far as I'm concerned, Michael is an evil human being.

Now then, here is an explanation I found on a fan website which explains everything nicely...

"Who or what is Michael Myers?
Michael Myers is the middle of the three Myers children, from Haddonfield, Illinois. He had an older sister, Judith, and has a younger one, Laurie.

Who or what was the Shape?
After Michael Myers came under the direct influence of Dr. Terrence Wynn at the State of Illinois Department of Mental Health facility in Smith's Grove, Warren County, he was subjected to very specific mental control techniques intended to produce a "Manchurian Candidate" programmable assassin, techniques that submerged his conscious self and unleashed the uninhibited primitive mind that we all have buried at some level, the id. Michael's id had been temporarily loosed when he stabbed his older sister Judith to death. The Shape is the name given to the murderous, superhuman entity created when Dr. Wynn's techniques succeeded in permanently submerging Michael's conscious self. The Shape is Michael's id given flesh.

Why does Michael kill?
Michael's id is a murderous entity. Dr. Wynn turned it loose as the dominant mental impulse in Michael's life. With his id in full, permanent control, Michael lives to kill.

Why is Michael superhumanly strong and nearly unbeatable?
The id knows few, if any, inhibitions, with no separation between thought and action. Most humans are limited in what they can physically do by the tolerances that the conscious mind has of things like pain and exhaustion. The id has no such inhibitions, so Michael is as strong and tough and remorseless as a human can be. He seems supernaturally powerful because he preforms at the absolute limits of human capability. For instance, because he has no sensitivity to pain, how painful it is has no impact on whether a wound will stop him or not. Because he has no restraint, he can use his full physical strength. What a person can lift is usually a lot more that what they do lift, because of mental blocks, barriers, and inhibitions. With his uninhibited id in permanent control, Michael could lift several tons and shrug off damage from collisions with a speeding vehicles. What damage he did sustain, he healed from extremely rapidly.

Why doesn't Michael use sophisticated distance weapons like guns and bombs?
There are two reasons.
1) First, as a being of pure id, Michael's reasoning mind, which allows the use of such weapons, has been submerged.
2) On Halloween night, 1978, Laurie Strode shot out Michael's eyes. What remains of his optical organs do not function well enough to allow him to actually use weapons that require aiming. He simply cannot see well enough to aim anymore.

If Laurie Strode shot out his eyes, how does Michael see?
Laurie did not completely destroy Michael's eyes. He does retain some eyesight, although it is extraordinarily bad. The id offers a shortcut to the psychic abilities every human has. The trance states and ceremonies, used by primitive societies, which submerge or step around the conscious mind, tap into these psychic powers for various shamanic uses. Since Michael's id was in more or less permanent control of him, he had tapped into and used a psychic replacement for eyesight. There is some evidence that Michael possesses other psychic abilities as well.

If Michael Myers is a being of pure id, unable to use guns, how can he drive? How can he drive when he grew up in an asylum?
The submergence of Michael's thinking mind is not complete, or uniform. Enough of his rational mind can "peek around the edges" of his killer's impulse to allow him to do some sophisticated tasks, like drive or search for his sister, as he did when he burgled Sam Loomis' house. Michael is actually quite intelligent, and these rags of rationality can learn very quickly. Michael taught himself to drive watching police dramas on television in the asylum."

Now, this is a good enough explanation FOR ME. It might not be for others. The gist is, basically, that Michael is still human, but he is able to do some in-/ un-/ superhuman things.

[BurningPiano]

here's how i see it:

*He is human
*but has an evil inside of him
*he isn't immortal
*he has a storage cupboard full of many masks by various manufacturers somewhere

and that's it! ;)

[kerrsth]

hes human with no weaknesses....like super human!

[alex lemasters]

no he not he is pure evil and if you are pure evil then you are not human.

[St_Just]

Why can't it be both? Michael, on his own, was born pure evil, without any outside influences. Once he arrived at Smith's Grove either Thorn was so attracted to Michael that it cursed him on its own, or Wynn & co. did the cursing, but either way the two can exist on its own.

Here's where it gets werid...

I've been thinking of Michael as a religious symbol independent of Thorn. First of all his name is Michael, which translates from Hebrew as something like "Who is God?" Michael was God's most powerful Archangel (according to that little known book that I don't subscribe to). I'm not saying Michael works for God or anything, but the name is interesting.

What was the first crime, according to the Bible? Cain murdering his brother Abel. After Cain murders Abel he is cursed by God to walk the earth forever, untouchable (immortal). What does Michael do? He murders his sibling, possibly to punish her for A) being a woman (original sin) and B) having sex, because what resulted from Eve's metaphorical sex with a serpent? Death.

I'm not saying this is literal canon in the series, it would just be interesting if Carpenter had intended the parallel. In Greek mythology, as well, the Furies punish those that murder their own kin. In most mythologies it's pretty bad to mess with your own blood.

[zombie commando]

Originally posted by Khorne23
How can Michael do all the things he's done, and sustain all the damage he has, and still be human? First of all, I take anything John Carpenter says about the character as handed down from on high, because he created the character, and knows what Michael was intended to be. Carpenter maintains that Michael is human, so, as far as I'm concerned, Michael is an evil human being.

Now then, here is an explanation I found on a fan website which explains everything nicely...

"Who or what is Michael Myers?
Michael Myers is the middle of the three Myers children, from Haddonfield, Illinois. He had an older sister, Judith, and has a younger one, Laurie.

Who or what was the Shape?
After Michael Myers came under the direct influence of Dr. Terrence Wynn at the State of Illinois Department of Mental Health facility in Smith's Grove, Warren County, he was subjected to very specific mental control techniques intended to produce a "Manchurian Candidate" programmable assassin, techniques that submerged his conscious self and unleashed the uninhibited primitive mind that we all have buried at some level, the id. Michael's id had been temporarily loosed when he stabbed his older sister Judith to death. The Shape is the name given to the murderous, superhuman entity created when Dr. Wynn's techniques succeeded in permanently submerging Michael's conscious self. The Shape is Michael's id given flesh.

Why does Michael kill?
Michael's id is a murderous entity. Dr. Wynn turned it loose as the dominant mental impulse in Michael's life. With his id in full, permanent control, Michael lives to kill.

Why is Michael superhumanly strong and nearly unbeatable?
The id knows few, if any, inhibitions, with no separation between thought and action. Most humans are limited in what they can physically do by the tolerances that the conscious mind has of things like pain and exhaustion. The id has no such inhibitions, so Michael is as strong and tough and remorseless as a human can be. He seems supernaturally powerful because he preforms at the absolute limits of human capability. For instance, because he has no sensitivity to pain, how painful it is has no impact on whether a wound will stop him or not. Because he has no restraint, he can use his full physical strength. What a person can lift is usually a lot more that what they do lift, because of mental blocks, barriers, and inhibitions. With his uninhibited id in permanent control, Michael could lift several tons and shrug off damage from collisions with a speeding vehicles. What damage he did sustain, he healed from extremely rapidly.

Why doesn't Michael use sophisticated distance weapons like guns and bombs?
There are two reasons.
1) First, as a being of pure id, Michael's reasoning mind, which allows the use of such weapons, has been submerged.
2) On Halloween night, 1978, Laurie Strode shot out Michael's eyes. What remains of his optical organs do not function well enough to allow him to actually use weapons that require aiming. He simply cannot see well enough to aim anymore.

If Laurie Strode shot out his eyes, how does Michael see?
Laurie did not completely destroy Michael's eyes. He does retain some eyesight, although it is extraordinarily bad. The id offers a shortcut to the psychic abilities every human has. The trance states and ceremonies, used by primitive societies, which submerge or step around the conscious mind, tap into these psychic powers for various shamanic uses. Since Michael's id was in more or less permanent control of him, he had tapped into and used a psychic replacement for eyesight. There is some evidence that Michael possesses other psychic abilities as well.

If Michael Myers is a being of pure id, unable to use guns, how can he drive? How can he drive when he grew up in an asylum?
The submergence of Michael's thinking mind is not complete, or uniform. Enough of his rational mind can "peek around the edges" of his killer's impulse to allow him to do some sophisticated tasks, like drive or search for his sister, as he did when he burgled Sam Loomis' house. Michael is actually quite intelligent, and these rags of rationality can learn very quickly. Michael taught himself to drive watching police dramas on television in the asylum."

Now, this is a good enough explanation FOR ME. It might not be for others. The gist is, basically, that Michael is still human, but he is able to do some in-/ un-/ superhuman things.

Excellent post. Whoever wrote that really thought out Myers character in a logical manner that I must applaud.

I still do not believe he is human though. Nobody can survive what Myers has been through and still be considered human.

[TheThorn666]

He's Human he just has Super natural powers and is Cursed With THETHORN!!!

[Andrew73]

I'd say yes and no. He was born human but the evil force took over. Since if just human he couldn't take being shot, stabbed etc.

[Princess]

Oui, he`s human in my opinion :)

Concerning his supernatural powers, maybe it`s like a mother able to lift a car to save her baby... in extreme situations people develope unbelievable powers, and his whole live seems to be an extreme situation.
He`s such a poor little psycho :(

[Khorne23]

That is the theory that I posted, Princess. Thanks for agreeing with me.

[Princess]

I read your post just now, maybe I skipped it before because the word Wynn appeared, sorry :)

It makes perfectly sense.

But I didn`t know about/ignored his bad eyes, now I pity him even more :(

[Khorne23]

The word "Wynn" is sort of your "jump off" signal, hey?

[dr.ryan lomis]

I have to side with ShadowX81 on this I belive Myers is a human being who might be insane but not stupid.

[Princess]

Right, I thought it`d be some supernatural stuff :p

And of course he`s definately insane, and not stupid at all

[EvilOnTwoLegs]

Human? Not at all. Michael is actually a radioactive mutant squid bent on world domination.

[zombie commando]

Originally posted by EvilOnTwoLegs
Human? Not at all. Michael is actually a radioactive mutant squid bent on world domination.
I fucking knew it.

[FTL]

ahhhhhahahaha.

classic.

[chase53]

hes mental....crazy people are tough. Its a horror movie and in horror movies the killers always hard to kill.
hes human.

[TheShape2005]

Originally posted by Refuse
Same here i think hes a human because he lookes like one, he moves like one. etc He just doesent act like the average one! LOL

yeah just with like John Carpenter said a little bit Human in him just to make him Scary. he's a force that can't be stoped and he won't stop till he get's what he wants and that force is pure Evil!!

[Bucky-lives]

Originally posted by TheShape2005
yeah just with like John Carpenter said a little bit Human in him just to make him Scary. he's a force that can't be stoped and he won't stop till he get's what he wants and that force is pure Evil!! My favorite line is "Evil on two legs" !

I think he's human but he is controlled by Evil itself.
I loved the Thorn idea because i thought it fit so well,
but it's gone now so....

[EvilOnTwoLegs]

I've told you people already...he's a squid!

[Nightmareman88]

Now see this is why H6 was made;)

[DarknessBDJM]

He's human but also The Boogeyman/Darkness an the same time. 100% human 100% The Boogeyman/Darkness/supernatural.

Like I mentioned before, 2 good non-horror comparisons are Galactus (the comic book eater of worlds), and Jesus (yeah that sounds messed up, but Jesus, insofar as Catholicism goes, is 100% human and 100% divine).

[Demonswrath]

Interesting point there DarknessBDJM, but I have to go with good ole Loomis.

"This is no man."........H1
"That part of him died years ago."..........H4
When Meeker asks what there dealling with, "Evil.".......H4

etc.....etc.....etc.....................

I don't think Michael is a human anymore. His humanity didn't exist anymore after killing his sister in H1 and entered the institution. His innocents was corrupted and was gone forever along with his humanity. He is now nothing but pure evil.

[EvilOnTwoLegs]

Originally posted by DarknessBDJM
He's human but also The Boogeyman/Darkness an the same time. 100% human 100% The Boogeyman/Darkness/supernatural.

Like I mentioned before, 2 good non-horror comparisons are Galactus (the comic book eater of worlds), and Jesus (yeah that sounds messed up, but Jesus, insofar as Catholicism goes, is 100% human and 100% divine).
So what you're saying is that Michael is blessed with an evil form of the hypostatic union that the Fourth Ecumenical Council, at Chalcedon, decided defined Christ in A.D. 451? Hmmmm...that's...actually a pretty interesting concept. Not the kind of theory that one might expect to find on a message board. Who says we can't indulge in deep thought every once in while? ;)

But, be that as it may, I still say he's a radioactive mutant squid.

[thetodd]

Michael is a bit more than human, that much is obvious.
Up until the end of the original Halloween there might have been some question about it, but after being shot six times point blank and sent crashing out of a second story window only to get up and walk away, Michael showed himself to be more than just a mere mortal.

[Laow-Z]

Originally posted by thetodd
Michael is a bit more than human, that much is obvious.
Up until the end of the original Halloween there might have been some question about it, but after being shot six times point blank and sent crashing out of a second story window only to get up and walk away, Michael showed himself to be more than just a mere mortal.
Maybe...just maybe I could believe what happened to him at the end of H1. Sometimes you hear stories in real life about people surviving some messed up shit when by all means should've died so shot 6 times, missed every vital organ and artery and a fall from a balcony.....maybe but him burning like he did at the end of H2.....in the famous words of Earl (Pt.4) No way, no how!!

[myershall2]

okay , I wouldhave to say that Micheal Myers is definetly human, okay he might be stronger and have more endurance than others, but he is still human.
Besides, people don't go to the horror movies to see human like killers, we go too see killing machines. if they made Micheal easy to kill then the movies would have never made it past one. he had to act super human

[Nightmareman88]

He doesn´t need to act...he IS:p

[Laow-Z]

Originally posted by myershall2
Besides, people don't go to the horror movies to see human like killers, we go too see killing machines.
I myself rather see a human-like killer than some sort of supernatural "thing" ie: Michael in H1 & 2 and Jason in 2-4. They are somewhat believable and its more scary knowing that someone human is doing all this havoc:D

[EvilOnTwoLegs]

Originally posted by Laow-Z
Maybe...just maybe I could believe what happened to him at the end of H1. Sometimes you hear stories in real life about people surviving some messed up shit when by all means should've died so shot 6 times, missed every vital organ and artery and a fall from a balcony.....maybe but him burning like he did at the end of H2.....in the famous words of Earl (Pt.4) No way, no how!!
Well, even before he got burned in H2, he got was shot twice in the head at close range and didn't even lose consciousness...or fall down. Forget about the fire...taking those bullets like that is, in itself, a "No way, no how" scenario.

[thetodd]

Originally posted by Laow-Z
Maybe...just maybe I could believe what happened to him at the end of H1. Sometimes you hear stories in real life about people surviving some messed up shit when by all means should've died so shot 6 times, missed every vital organ and artery and a fall from a balcony.....maybe but him burning like he did at the end of H2.....in the famous words of Earl (Pt.4) No way, no how!!
Surviving it would be one thing. Getting up and walking away as if nothing had even happened to you is something else altogether. In H2, did Michael appear hampered in any way by the six bullets in his body or the damage that must have occured from falling two stories?

[Laow-Z]

Originally posted by EvilOnTwoLegs
Well, even before he got burned in H2, he got was shot twice in the head at close range and didn't even lose consciousness...or fall down. Forget about the fire...taking those bullets like that is, in itself, a "No way, no how" scenario.
LOL...you're right, i forgot about the 2 to the head and was just thinking about the fire. After the 2 shots then that's a "no way, no how" situation.

[loomis6]

Michaels human in the way that his body is a human body. But his sould on the other hand is pure eveil. Much like many classic villians in cult movies such as Halloween.

[sam loomis421]

Originally posted by loomis6
Michaels human in the way that his body is a human body. But his sould on the other hand is pure eveil. Much like many classic villians in cult movies such as Halloween. thats exactly right

[Casper]

To me michael is actually really a human he is just prtected by the curse of thorn. He is also stuck in his age 23 and doesnt age so when the curse is broken he can be killed and his age will return

[Laow-Z]

Originally posted by Casper
He is also stuck in his age 23 and doesnt age so when the curse is broken he can be killed and his age will return
He was actually 21 but it was a misprint on the H1 ending credits as 23;)

[deathwishboy]

Well I always had a theroy that at the end of H1 when Loomis shot Michael off the balcony, Myers actually lowered himself down quickly via a rope that the police mention had gone missing early in the film. I know it's a wacky idea and we know myers ain't fast on his feet but it may make up for some of his more supernatural abilities.

I kinda see Michael as a zombie, he is driven by one force weather that be "Evil" or "Thorn" One thing pushes Michaels body on whatever happens. Then again since we never saw him get his head cut of (for real) we don't know if he still be walking around.

[Laow-Z]

Originally posted by deathwishboy
Well I always had a theroy that at the end of H1 when Loomis shot Michael off the balcony, Myers actually lowered himself down quickly via a rope that the police mention had gone missing early in the film. I know it's a wacky idea and we know myers ain't fast on his feet but it may make up for some of his more supernatural abilities.
Now that's the strechiest strech i think i've heard:D After all we did see him actually fall through the air.

[Khorne23]

Originally posted by Laow-Z
LOL...you're right, i forgot about the 2 to the head and was just thinking about the fire. After the 2 shots then that's a "no way, no how" situation.

But there was a railway worker who, whilst using a long steel bar to tamp dynamite into the hole before bladting rocks out of the way of a new line of track, set off the primer charge and had that rod go through his entire head! Front to back, with two feet of 2" steel bar poking out either side.

He lived for another 27 years.

[Khorne23]

After Michael Myers came under the direct influence of Dr. Terrence Wynn at the State of Illinois Department of Mental Health facility in Smith’s Grove, Warren County, he was subjected to very specific mind control techniques intended to produce a “Manchurian Candidate” programmable assassin, techniques that submerged his conscious self and unleashed the uninhibited primitive mind that every human has buried at some level, the id. Michael’s id had been temporarily loosed when he stabbed his older sister Judith to death, and it retained sufficient effect to force the State of Illinois to confine Michael in Smith’s Grove. The Shape is the name given to the murderous, superhuman entity created when mind control techniques succeeded in permanently submerging Michael’s conscious self. The Shape is Michael’s id given flesh.

Why does Michael kill?

Michael’s id is a murderous entity. Since it has been turned loose as the dominant mental impulse in Michael’s life. With his id in full, permanent control, Michael lives to kill.

Why did Michael kill his sister Judith and why does he seek to kill his remaining sister, Laurie? Why does he stalk and kill young people?

The original mind control techniques used on Michael before he slew Judith were intended to see if a person could be induced to kill, and revolved around the subject fixating on a specific victim....Judith Myers. The fixation was not specific to “kill Judith Myers” but more general “kill your sister”. Since Laurie was still alive, Michael had to complete his programming and escaped Smith’s Grove on October 29th, 1978, to do just that. Michael stalks and kills young people because the subsequent mind control conditioning he received after being committed to Smith’s Grove, between 1963 and 1978, was given to him during the height of the hippie, counter-culture Sixties. His programmers saw the flower children as enemies of the state, and he was programmed to deal with the threat they were perceived to represent.

Why is Michael superhumanly strong and nearly unbeatable?

The id knows few, if any, inhibitions, with no separation between thought and action. Most humans are limited in what they can physically do by the tolerances that the conscious mind has of things like pain and exhaustion. The id has no such inhibitions, so Michael is as strong and tough and remorseless as a human can be. He seems supernaturally powerful because he preforms at the absolute limits of human capability. For instance, because he has no sensitivity to pain, how painful it is has no impact on whether a wound will stop him or not. Because he has no restraint, he can use his full physical strength. What a person can lift is usually a lot more that what they do lift, because of mental blocks, barriers, and inhibitions. With his uninhibited id in permanent control, Michael can lift several tons and shrug off damage from collisions with a speeding vehicles. What damage he does sustain, he heals from extremely rapidly.

If Laurie Strode shot out his eyes, how does Michael see?

Laurie did not completely destroy Michael’s eyes. He does retain some eyesight, although it is extraordinarily bad. The id offers a shortcut to the psychic abilities every human has. The trance states and ceremonies, used by primitive societies, which submerge or step around the conscious mind, tap into these psychic powers for various shamanic uses. Since Michael’s id is in more or less permanent control of him, he had taps into and uses a psychic replacement for eyesight. Michael may possesses other psychic abilities as well.

[deathwishboy]

Interesting Ideas there, but it kinda disagrees with the Thorn Theroy then again that was just...a theroy, Wynn could of been simply playing the part with the Cult.

Your ideas are alot more believeable making a killer rather then curseing a person with a mark.

[Oliver]

He's human alright, but the evil within does enable him to be able to take big doses of punishment. In the first one he's shot a number of times, in the 2nd he's burnt, in the 4th he's shot by multiple rifles, in 6 and H20 he's beaten by his respective opponents and in Resurrection he's burnt and electricuted.

Cutting his head off would kill him however. So yes, he's human, but the evil gives him some super natural ability.

[myersRUNNER2]

He is human but his actions aren't human or sain. But his body is completly human in my opinion.

[sam loomis421]

i agree hes human just pure evil in a humans body

[Christine09107]

I think he's human. He shows a lot of emotion in the films. Arousal, Pain, Angst, Memories, Sadness....
I'm not sure why he kills. Part of me wants to believe that really he's just brainwashed/cursed or something.

But the other part wants him to be in some sort of Emotional/Mental condition, maybe an abuse and neglect victim who totally snapped.

The thing I've noticed about what the series says is his motive is that they give us two options to believe. The first one is Thorn. The second one (we see in HR) is that he was awfully neglected and mistreated by his parents.

I guess most of me wants to go with the latter.

[Frazetta]

Originally posted by MischievousSpirit
He's purely, simply, EVIL! I agree with that.He is evil in its purest form living in a human body

[Khorne23]

Originally posted by Christine09107
The second one (we see in HR) is that he was awfully neglected and mistreated by his parents.

Not to burst your bubble, Christine, but they said later in Resurrection, after they showed the supposed dungeon where Michael had been "kept", that the dungeon and the "abuse" was just a put up job by Dangertainment to make Michael and the old Myers house more interesting. They said later on that Michael hadn't been abused. Dangertainment just built the "dungeon" where Michael has supposedly been kept by his parents as a sort of set. Of course, Michael's real dungeon, where he hid out and lived all these years, was behind it...

I think that Michael is scarier if we don't really know or understand why he does what he does. You've mentioned two possible explanations as to why Michael kills (the Curse of the Thorn and abuse by his parents). This lets us make Michael into something of a victim in our minds, and it shifts some of the blame for his actions off Michael and onto the Thorn rune or Mr. and Mrs. Myers.

But if Michael kills for his own reasons, whatever they may actually be (bloodlust, envy of Judith, and so on), and not for some reason we the viewers can comprehend, he's much more scary.

There's an old saying that says that, if you give your fears a face, they aren't as scary, because you make them understandable, limited, and comprehensible. If Michael has a concrete reason for killing as he does, then he cecomes all those things, and beating him simply becomes a matter of removing that stimulus, whatever it may be.

Without a reason, Michael is soul-chillingly scary, because he is the great unknown.

[Christine09107]

After eight movies, I'm actually getting tired of the slashing with no background.

I like the human side of Michael. The idea of him being more complex than shown in the series is very appealing to me.
In H9- I'd like a few answers.

Like, why doesn't he talk?

[Nightmareman88]

His background is explained in H6.

[Khorne23]

Originally posted by Christine09107
Like, why doesn't he talk?

Maybe he doesn't have anything to say :D

Seriously, though, Christine, I see your point.

[Khorne23]

Originally posted by Nightmareman88
His background is explained in H6.

No, it wasn't, for two reasons.

1) Nowhere in Halloween 6 is it bluntly said "This is why these things are happening". The curse and cult of the Thorn are only and always presented as Tommy Doyle's theory. Yes, there is a Thorn cult which is interested in Michael, but there is no point in Halloween 6 where Tommy is said to have gotten it right.

2) Due to the revision of the Halloween backstory which Kevin Williamson did for H20 and subsequent films, HALLOWEEN 6 NEVER HAPPENED. Its gone. It doesn't exist, and never did.

Now, you can debate whether that should have heppened until the Heavens fall, but the fact remains that it did happen. 4, 5, and 6 have been thrown out, and I really wish people would stop harping about them.

[Nightmareman88]

Originally posted by Khorne23
No, it wasn't, for two reasons.

1) Nowhere in Halloween 6 is it bluntly said "This is why these things are happening". The curse and cult of the Thorn are only and always presented as Tommy Doyle's theory. Yes, there is a Thorn cult which is interested in Michael, but there is no point in Halloween 6 where Tommy is said to have gotten it right.

2) Due to the revision of the Halloween backstory which Kevin Williamson did for H20 and subsequent films, HALLOWEEN 6 NEVER HAPPENED. Its gone. It doesn't exist, and never did.

Now, you can debate whether that should have heppened until the Heavens fall, but the fact remains that it did happen. 4, 5, and 6 have been thrown out, and I really wish people would stop harping about them.

Whatever H4-H6 is ignored or not is clearly in our opinions, But H2O leaves soucha huge plot hole regarding the 20 years what Michael has been doing that it leaves open for H4-H6 to excist. Besides are we ever told that H4-H6 is ignored? they are just never mentioned.

[Christine09107]

I don't really think 6 is hugely important.
Really all it does is explain the "thorn cult theory"

And that was never said in concrete to be right or wrong.
If there's one thing I don't like about this series- it runs two theory lines. It's like H1,2,H20 follow one line and 4,5,6 follow a totally different line.

A lot of things don't match up.

[EvilOnTwoLegs]

Originally posted by Nightmareman88
Whatever H4-H6 is ignored or not is clearly in our opinions, But H2O leaves soucha huge plot hole regarding the 20 years what Michael has been doing that it leaves open for H4-H6 to excist. Besides are we ever told that H4-H6 is ignored? they are just never mentioned.
No...they're blatantly ignored...so much so that whem Remicis and I were working on our H9 fan script, there was much talk of how to rectify certain matters in order to link H4-H6 with H20 and H:R. And Rem had already done a lot of thinking before I even became involved. It required ungodly amounts of exposition to even make it plausible that the two storylines could coexist. H20 and H:R really go out of their way to ignore H4-H6, so much so that we had to craft a paranoid government conspiracy to explain the fact that no one seems to know about Michael's killing sprees from 1988-1995, despite the fact that a substantial portion of the police force was wiped out in '88...and then again in '89. No one in H20 and H:R even mentions this, or any of the other killings from the H4-H6 era. Even Laurie Strode is obviously unaware of these activities, even though Michael killed her daughter in 1995. It's clear that H20's official position is that H4-H6 never happened...H:R has carried on that idea...and it seems unlikely that the so-called "middle trilogy" will ever be reinstated in future sequels. Sad but true.

[WhiteZombie]

i thnk there is still a little bit of human in him that will show over the evil inside him (h5 the tear...h6 reaching out to jamie before killing her) but by no means is he 100% human. hes so focused on ending his bloodline he wont die and wont stop. mabye if each one was finally killed of he would just stop caring and die.

[Laurie'sRevenge]

This is a real brain teaser, haha. I know that he definately looks human, and of course he has those small soft sides to him, but it's impossible for a human to live over and over again. I guess basically you just have to think of it as "It's just a movie." I know that there is a word for this, as when a killer keeps living on; I learned this in theatre when I was in HS but I can't remember the damn word! lol.

[loomis26]

michael is definently not human, just pure evil.

[EvilOnTwoLegs]

Originally posted by loomis26
michael is definently not human, just pure evil.
He came out of a woman's vagina, didn't he? If so, then he's at least partly human. And if not...his parents must have been freaked out.

[Laurie'sRevenge]

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!
He's human by far, he just doesn't act like it; as in he is ill. No human really goes around like him, that's why I believe Loomis has always said he wasn't. He just doesn't have a concience(sp?)Well not much of one, that is.

Originally posted by EvilOnTwoLegs
He came out of a woman's vagina, didn't he? If so, then he's at least partly human. And if not...his parents must have been freaked out.

[zombie commando]

The real question is....."Is EOTL human"?

I vote no. I think he's a robot wearing man flesh.

[EvilOnTwoLegs]

Originally posted by zombie commando
The real question is....."Is EOTL human"?

I vote no. I think he's a robot wearing man flesh.
I plead the Fifth...as I hear that's what you humans do in such situations.





Shit...I just said too much, didn't I?

[freethy]

EOTL is just two legs. Evil ones.

[H5rulz]

damn it. icant start a new thread until i reply to threads. arggg

[freethy]

Originally posted by H5rulz
damn it. icant start a new thread until i reply to threads. arggg Yeah. I think thats a good thing lol

[Hey You!]

Reading this thread makes me realize how much I hate the Thorn storyline. "I think I just threw up in my mouth." That was the worst thing that could happen to the series. It was so bad, they ignored it with H20.

Michael is human, but he's a maniac. Similar to serial killer Ted Bundy. Perfectly human, but clinically crazy. The premise of Michael not dying is pure hollywood and only still happening because of the fan base and potential money-making.

In my opinion, Ted Bundy was "evil on two legs" as is Charles Manson.

[Khorne23]

Originally posted by Hey You!
In my opinion, Ted Bundy was "evil on two legs" as is Charles Manson.

Charles Manson was a two-bit hustler with delusions of grandeur who has been made into a boogey man by the media.

[TheImmortalMike]

Well here's my take on it: Michael is human, Jason is a zombie and Freddy is some kind of dream demon. Of the those three main horror slashers, Michael is the only one of them who hasn't died! Which brings up the question "WHY hasn't he died after being shot multiple times in multiple places, set on fire, stabbed, beaten and electrocuted??" Well as my name implies... he is IMMORTAL! But what I (and many others) would like to know is WHY and HOW is he immortal? And if something like what BloodIntoIce said happened then does that mean Micheal's sister Laurie is also immortal? They could bring her back in the next "Halloween" after all!

[Laurie'sRevenge]

That's what I was thinking, he is Immortal and what not; it just makes it seem so weird when he has these chances to die and die but comes back. lol. It's funny but confusing. And I had made a point about how if Michael is immortal, than Laurie easily could be as well. Who knows, maybe she'll end up killing people next. Haha. They can be a team, muahaha.

Originally posted by TheImmortalMike
Well here's my take on it: Michael is human, Jason is a zombie and Freddy is some kind of dream demon. Of the those three main horror slashers, Michael is the only one of them who hasn't died! Which brings up the question "WHY hasn't he died after being shot multiple times in multiple places, set on fire, stabbed, beaten and electrocuted??" Well as my name implies... he is IMMORTAL! But what I (and many others) would like to know is WHY and HOW is he immortal? And if something like what BloodIntoIce said happened then does that mean Micheal's sister Laurie is also immortal? They could bring her back in the next "Halloween" after all!

[EvilOnTwoLegs]

Originally posted by Khorne23
Charles Manson was a two-bit hustler with delusions of grandeur who has been made into a boogey man by the media.
Wow...well put. Sounds like something I would have said.

[Renny]

I always believed what the kids said in H1: 'You can't kill the boogeyman!"

I think Michael Myers was a human being, once, just a little 6-year-old boy. But when he went out that night in 1963, he was taken over by what we call the Boogeyman: a pure evil intelligence with no physical form. It invaded Michael and killed his soul, eveything that made him human, and it just wore his living, breathing body like a costume.

So, Michael is human in that his human form is alive, it breathes and bleeds and has to eat occasionally, but the Boogeyman is an inseperable part of that human form; that gives him his super strength and his invulnerability. I'm going on just part 1 here, I prefer not to acknowledge the sequels and their theories about him. As far as I'm concerned, Michael saw Laurie and her friends while driving past them, and just decided to kill them. Why? No way of knowing, because the Boogeyman that is Michael's mind doesn't work the way the minds of humans do.

[o.n.i.x]

Originally posted by DnceForce77
I actually agree with a lot of the different points made throughout the thread. (ha! Funny...as I post this, amc is showing a commercial for H4 & 5 that will be airing tonight!)

Anyway... it's really hard to say what Michael is/has become. He was only a young boy when he murdered his sister Judith. The look on his face when he walked outside and his parents removed his mask... he looked a bit shocked, but not as if he cared. I would say that he was definitely human in 1 & 2. But there's always been something inside of him that took that certain human quality away from him.

There's a deleted scene from H:R that I believe should have been left in the very beginning. It was a home video of Michael and his family outside having BB-Q and it was the dad filming. Michael turns away from the camera and faces what seems to be a garage. His dad asks him to turn around and when he does, it's this young boy with dark, lifeless eyes, staring at the camera. I think that would have been a great addition to the film, however they apparently deemed it unneccesary for the film. (Just like many other little factoids and even entire films such as the H4-6 debate)

There are actually many holes in the entire series. They say he murdered his entire family. Well, we never saw or ever really heard of him murdering his parents. He was just simply whisked away into Dr. Loomis' care. When they showed him in the asylum, all he did was sit and stare out the window. I believe him to be mentally ill from evil.

One thing I don't get is that, when Laurie removes Michael's mask in H1 before Loomis shoots him, his face appears to be deformed. I don't know how this comes to be, as they never explain. So, really, there's a lot to be left to the imagination or just simply accepted. I don't know if that was their plan all along but, since there wasn't an original plan to have so many sequels to follow and different directors have done the films, things are going to get messed up. Don't get me wrong, this doesn't upset me any less. I'm a huge fan of the Halloween series and I wish they flowed quite nicely. I just have questions.

And I seem to have veered away from the topic a bit there, haven't I? lol. Sorry about that. This is my first post and I guess I had a lot to say. =) I think I'll save some for later and shut up. lol.

He's face wasn't deformed. It was his eye from being stabbed with the hanger by Laurie. He had his mouth opened where he was breathing heavily, like he probably does underneath the mask. That might explain his 'strange' appearance when he's unmasked.

[Lonnie_Elamb]

Yup, he's human. In Halloween 5 he cried, and in between H5 and H6, he even participated in some incest. That's human for ya! Just take away those things, and he'll seem much less human, and more....EVIL...

[son_of_myers_29]

since he cryed in h5 it proves that he is still a human inside but still has some force controlling him to kill

[saber372]

even animals cry.. michael is not human.. he is pure evil

[EvilOnTwoLegs]

Originally posted by saber372
even animals cry.. michael is not human.. he is pure evil
Are you saying that animals are pure evil?

Pure evil doesn't cry...pure evil stabs tears to death. It eats baby tears (and baby humans) in order to preserve its strength. Pure evil is a flat-out stone-cold motherfucker.

[Frazetta]

Originally posted by EvilOnTwoLegs
Pure evil is a flat-out stone-cold motherfucker. So was Shaft & he was one bad muthafucka

[EvilOnTwoLegs]

Originally posted by Frazetta
So was Shaft & he was one bad muthafucka
Shut yo' mouth!

[Chuck D]

Originally posted by EvilOnTwoLegs
Shut yo' mouth!

But I'm talkin' 'bout Shaft.

[EvilOnTwoLegs]

Originally posted by ChuckyDarko
But I'm talkin' 'bout Shaft.
I can dig it.

[Lonnie_Elamb]

Originally posted by EvilOnTwoLegs
Are you saying that animals are pure evil?

Pure evil doesn't cry...pure evil stabs tears to death. It eats baby tears (and baby humans) in order to preserve its strength. Pure evil is a flat-out stone-cold motherfucker.

Exactly. If Michael was REALLY evil in H5, instead of crying with Jamie, he would have just stabbed her right away when he got the chance!

[Stage 3]

it really depends. sometimes michael was human and sometimes he wasn't. in fact, he's just a robot with 2 evil legs.

[Jamie Loyd 101]

In H5 Michael turn a little sweet to Jamie with the crying thing and when she trys to touch him he backs away then trys to stab her. It show Michael is a little bit of good"very little". He crys because Jamie says"Uncle, You look just like me" so he softed up

[Dr Frankenstein]

evil has no emotion, if he was soft then in H5 and deadly in H6 and scrawny in H2O and something else in HR he must be super human with a balanced diet or high metabolism, ha ha

[urbanchaos]

I think there rest a little bit of humanity but not that much.

[Loomis78]

hey urbanchaos your so wack little kid just to tell you you that michael is human and he devil at the same time and go find out how to talk in english lol your so funny and by the way i do got the h6 p-cut in mojo version he bootleg which it suck but i have it do you got it i dont think so ....

[thetwistedsoul]

hey urbanchaos your so wack little kid just to tell you you that michael is human and he devil at the same time and go find out how to talk in english lol your so funny and by the way i do got the h6 p-cut in mojo version he bootleg which it suck but i have it do you got it i dont think so ....



:wtf: :question:

[urbanchaos]

why did he's mean like that whit me ? I did nothing to him.