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H-Field Hero
09-02-2007, 02:37 PM
Okay, here we go. Round 2.

For those of you who are new here (Welcome by the way) is an explanation for this. When a thread gets to approx 1000 posts we close it and start a fresh one. It leads to better board performance.

Enjoy!

Myers Insurance
09-02-2007, 02:40 PM
That is a record of how quick a thread grew, y/y?
Such a shame it couldn't get to the 2,000 mark.

mmyers78
09-02-2007, 02:40 PM
anyone here like the fact that rob made the shape run a little bit towards the end? i for one, actually liked that they made the shape run

H-Field Hero
09-02-2007, 02:41 PM
That is a record of how quick a thread grew, y/y?
Such a shame it couldn't get to the 2,000 mark.

I liked the days when threads would get up to 10,000 posts haha, but doing it this way is for the betterment of the board. TJ can provide the technical details on that.

Worthystevens
09-02-2007, 02:41 PM
As for who played the head of Smith's Grove and a vamp in Blade, his name is Udo Kier.

Myers Insurance
09-02-2007, 02:42 PM
Just curious as to when we can actually talk about the workprint? I'm thinkign I read it was tomorrow but want to make sure.

Beetlescott
09-02-2007, 02:43 PM
Wow! It has been a while since I have been here, we were like posting away and I saw the CLOSED before I read the explanation and was like, What? Guess that proves that you should always read the directions....Thanks!

Ravenheart
09-02-2007, 02:43 PM
As for who played the head of Smith's Grove and a vamp in Blade, his name is Udo Kier.

Thanks.I just looked it up.I liked him in Carpenter's MOH episode,Cigarette Burns too.

H-Field Hero
09-02-2007, 02:45 PM
Just curious as to when we can actually talk about the workprint? I'm thinkign I read it was tomorrow but want to make sure.Tomorrow. TJ/Mike will make the official announcement. Could be tonight at midnight, could be tomorrow morning. It's their call.

Zombie
09-02-2007, 02:49 PM
anyone here like the fact that rob made the shape run a little bit towards the end? i for one, actually liked that they made the shape run

It's not the Shape. We discussed this in the last thread, calling him the Shape does an injustice to what the Shape really was.

Ravenheart
09-02-2007, 02:50 PM
It's not the Shape. We discussed this in the last thread, calling him the Shape does an injustice to what the Shape really was.

:roflmao:

The Dark Shape
09-02-2007, 02:52 PM
It's not the Shape. We discussed this in the last thread, calling him the Shape does an injustice to what the Shape really was.

Yep. This is Michael Myers, not the Shape.

DEADICATED FAN
09-02-2007, 02:55 PM
It's not the Shape. We discussed this in the last thread, calling him the Shape does an injustice to what the Shape really was.

You got that right, here -here!

Roswell
09-02-2007, 02:58 PM
Eh, it's just a name. If I feel like calling him The Shape, I will.

EvilOnTwoLegs
09-02-2007, 02:58 PM
As for who played the head of Smith's Grove and a vamp in Blade, his name is Udo Kier.
And he fuckin' rules. Shit, he was in fuckin' Suspiria, people!!!!!!!

Zombie
09-02-2007, 03:04 PM
Eh, it's just a name. If I feel like calling him The Shape, I will.

You can call him whatever you want, I'll just refute that by saying I think it's wrong to call him something he is not. The whole point to the Shape was that he lurked in the shadows, stalking his victims instead of just showing up and offing them one by one.

The Good Doctor
09-02-2007, 03:06 PM
EOTL, did you write a review yet? I am interested in hearing your perspective, especially as the days go by and you have a chance to reflect

edit: honestly I am dying to know whether you thought this film did any justice whatsoever to its namesake and genre.

The Good Doctor
09-02-2007, 03:07 PM
You can call him whatever, I'll just refute that by saying I think it's wrong to call him something he is not. The whole point to the Shape was that he lurked in the shadows, stalking his victims instead of just showing up and offing them one by one.

:bow:

Worthystevens
09-02-2007, 03:09 PM
You can call him whatever you want, I'll just refute that by saying I think it's wrong to call him something he is not. The whole point to the Shape was that he lurked in the shadows, stalking his victims instead of just showing up and offing them one by one.

To be fair, he did hang around in the darkness quite a bit. Following Bob in the shadows, watching Annie and Paul while they're doing their thing, walking up to Laurie from behind.

The real Shape
09-02-2007, 03:11 PM
He did lurk in the shadows, well in the third Act he did.

mcilroga
09-02-2007, 03:12 PM
Just got home, saw this in the old thread.


You'll have to take that up with Ghetto Myers, since he is the head of Race Relations on this forum.:nodsmile:

As for Lil Kim, yes erm her films like Gang of Roses, Nora's Hair Salon, You Got Served and of course the ground breaking classic Lil Pimp, puts Jodie Foster's acting to shame, ehem ehem.:nodsmile:

You bitch, what the fuck are you talking about?

Wait... you're joking. Haha, funny. :p


lil kim can act good. jodie fosters getting old plus lil kim Q.B for life mate

Not so goddamn funny.

I refuse to even explain myself. :bastard:

The Good Doctor
09-02-2007, 03:12 PM
To be fair, he did hang around in the darkness quite a bit. Following Bob in the shadows, watching Annie and Paul while they're doing their thing, walking up to Laurie from behind.


Yes but in comparison with the shape he might as well have announced his presence in a megaphone

Roswell
09-02-2007, 03:13 PM
To be fair, he did hang around in the darkness quite a bit. Following Bob in the shadows, watching Annie and Paul while they're doing their thing, walking up to Laurie from behind.

Exactly.

Ravenheart
09-02-2007, 03:13 PM
Please Dear God No More Rappers In Halloween Movies!!!!

Zombie
09-02-2007, 03:14 PM
To be fair, he did hang around in the darkness quite a bit. Following Bob in the shadows, watching Annie and Paul while they're doing their thing, walking up to Laurie from behind.

But not nearly like he did in the original. Plus, it's more than lurking, it's about stalking as well. He just didn't feel like the Shape, he was Michael Myers. The Shape to me has only worked in one film, the original.

Worthystevens
09-02-2007, 03:21 PM
Yes but in comparison with the shape he might as well have announced his presence in a megaphone


But not nearly like he did in the original. Plus, it's more than lurking, it's about stalking as well. He just didn't feel like the Shape, he was Michael Myers. The Shape to me has only worked in one film, the original.

To each their own. I found that he did do a fair amount of stalking in the film, like watching Lindsey watching TV, and watching Annie through a window from outside the Wallace residence. Not to mention the recreation of Laurie seeing the Shape through a window watching her.

Fiberawptic
09-02-2007, 03:48 PM
But not nearly like he did in the original. Plus, it's more than lurking, it's about stalking as well. He just didn't feel like the Shape, he was Michael Myers. The Shape to me has only worked in one film, the original.

Its one thing to be a huge fan, but being so picky as to whether he deserves the title "Shape" or not is just being paranoid. Maybe your right, in H4-8, he probably wasnt very "shape-like" but i actually think Myers did the most stalking in the shadows in Zombies movie since H2. He definitly hung in the shadows in RZ H, but just because he didn't do it AS MUCH as the original doesnt mean he didnt do it at all. And when people post on a thread asking for the title to be changed just because of their perception on a freakin name, its not being a true Halloween fan, its being retarded.

Beetlescott
09-02-2007, 03:49 PM
After all this talk, both good and bad, I have decided that I am going back to the theater Tuesday and watching it again. There is so much you miss the first time around!

DEADICATED FAN
09-02-2007, 03:54 PM
To each their own. I found that he did do a fair amount of stalking in the film, like watching Lindsey watching TV, and watching Annie through a window from outside the Wallace residence. Not to mention the recreation of Laurie seeing the Shape through a window watching her.

The Shape doesn't just 'watch & stalk' his victims he 'stares meanly' at them then winks telepathically itching their butt all while trying to figuere out a high school trigonometry problem - Ha, Ha - Lets analyze this more ;)

Todd
09-02-2007, 03:55 PM
I've seen it twice in the theater, so I doubt I'll go back again.
Bring on the dvd, and let it be loaded.

DEADICATED FAN
09-02-2007, 03:58 PM
After all this talk, both good and bad, I have decided that I am going back to the theater Tuesday and watching it again. There is so much you miss the first time around!


May the 'filth' be with you my son. . .

Ravenheart
09-02-2007, 03:59 PM
I think I'll catch it again next weekend.

The real Shape
09-02-2007, 04:00 PM
lil kim can act good. jodie fosters getting old plus lil kim Q.B for life mate

I actually laughed while reading this. And the fact that you don't know proper Grammer. I hate to bust on people for Grammer, because I'm not that good at grammer..but jeez..

DEADICATED FAN
09-02-2007, 04:04 PM
I actually laughed while reading this. And the fact that you don't know proper Grammer. I hate to bust on people for Grammer, because I'm not that good at grammer..but jeez..



Not to be an ass but this relates to HALLOWEEN '07 how?

ten31
09-02-2007, 04:04 PM
After all this talk, both good and bad, I have decided that I am going back to the theater Tuesday and watching it again. There is so much you miss the first time around!

I'm going back this week as well. I am goin to take my Mom who is a huge HalloweeN fan. I don't think my wife will go though. It scared the shit out of her.

Beetlescott
09-02-2007, 04:05 PM
May the 'filth' be with you my son. . .

LOL yes, that is one of the main reasons I didn't go back yesterday, There is a lot of profainaty in there Kinda makes you wanna take a shower AFTER;)

DEADICATED FAN
09-02-2007, 04:08 PM
Anyone else feel the slogan 'EVIL HAS A DESTINY' sounds weak or corny? Now having seen the film anyone out there have any better ideas? Let's try to stay positive if possible.

DEADICATED FAN
09-02-2007, 04:12 PM
LOL yes, that is one of the main reasons I didn't go back yesterday, There is a lot of profainaty in there Kinda makes you wanna take a shower AFTER;)

I totally agree man - glad you do too. But really have fun at the show : )

The Kilted One
09-02-2007, 04:13 PM
Anyone else feel the slogan 'EVIL HAS A DESTINY' sounds weak or corny? Now having seen the film anyone out there have any better ideas? Let's try to stay positive if possible.

I don't like it either. How about "Evil grows". At least that's got some relevance.

Side note: Damn! Part two already? Where have I been?

MichaelMyers04
09-02-2007, 04:15 PM
Anyone else feel the slogan 'EVIL HAS A DESTINY' sounds weak or corny? Now having seen the film anyone out there have any better ideas? Let's try to stay positive if possible.

I agree that the tagline was completely weak. I mean, it really had nothing to do with the movie (is his destiny to kill off his family so that he, and Boo can live together happily ever after??). And this raises the question of whether or not he's Evil, or a psychopath.

The original Shape was Evil, this one is a psychopath (as even described by Loomis). So, the whole tagline just doesn't work. However, that doesn't really matter, as it doesn't affect the movie.

DEADICATED FAN
09-02-2007, 04:19 PM
I agree that the tagline was completely weak. I mean, it really had nothing to do with the movie (is his destiny to kill off his family so that he, and Boo can live together happily ever after??). And this raises the question of whether or not he's Evil, or a psychopath.

The original Shape was Evil, this one is a psychopath (as even described by Loomis). So, the whole tagline just doesn't work. However, that doesn't really matter, as it doesn't affect the movie.



Yes I guess another aspect of this Film that doesn't quite make any sense. Good point.

acl187gza
09-02-2007, 04:20 PM
I can't believe I did it, but I actually walked out of a Halloween movie halfway through. I couldn't take it anymore. Rob Zombie sucks and so do all is trailer trash friends that are in all his movies including his wife. Rob zombie doesn't make horror movies, he makes stupid trash with fuck being every other word. Nothing he has made was scary. He didn't reinvent Halloween, he just showed exactly how his other cast members live their every day lives. Rob Zombie ruined the series. For the love of god, will John Carpenter say something please!

mmyers78
09-02-2007, 04:23 PM
You can call him whatever you want, I'll just refute that by saying I think it's wrong to call him something he is not. The whole point to the Shape was that he lurked in the shadows, stalking his victims instead of just showing up and offing them one by one.


your entitled to your opinion, but however, he did lurk in the shadows a lot in the 2nd half, like watching lindsay, and following annie and lindsay over to the doyles house

DEADICATED FAN
09-02-2007, 04:23 PM
I can't believe I did it, but I actually walked out of a Halloween movie halfway through. I couldn't take it anymore. Rob Zombie sucks and so do all is trailer trash friends that are in all his movies including his wife. Rob zombie doesn't make horror movies, he makes stupid trash with fuck being every other word. Nothing he has made was scary. He didn't reinvent Halloween, he just showed exactly how his other cast members live their every day lives. Rob Zombie ruined the series. For the love of god, will John Carpenter say something please!



Hmmmmmm.....

Ravenheart
09-02-2007, 04:29 PM
I can't believe I did it, but I actually walked out of a Halloween movie halfway through. I couldn't take it anymore. Rob Zombie sucks and so do all is trailer trash friends that are in all his movies including his wife. Rob zombie doesn't make horror movies, he makes stupid trash with fuck being every other word. Nothing he has made was scary. He didn't reinvent Halloween, he just showed exactly how his other cast members live their every day lives. Rob Zombie ruined the series. For the love of god, will John Carpenter say something please!

So how did you really feel about the movie? :roflmao:

Roswell
09-02-2007, 04:31 PM
Rob Zombie ruined the series.

I think most would agree that it was already ruined. Besides, this isn't part of the old series.

And seriously, who cares what John Carpenter has to say? He's washed up.

Undrtkerkane
09-02-2007, 04:33 PM
I can't believe I did it, but I actually walked out of a Halloween movie halfway through. I couldn't take it anymore. Rob Zombie sucks and so do all is trailer trash friends that are in all his movies including his wife. Rob zombie doesn't make horror movies, he makes stupid trash with fuck being every other word. Nothing he has made was scary. He didn't reinvent Halloween, he just showed exactly how his other cast members live their every day lives. Rob Zombie ruined the series. For the love of god, will John Carpenter say something please!

I think someone needs a time out :p but seriously that is how I felt, I felt like throwing up :vomit: after the movie was over, I couldnt wait to leave :mike:

HannibalBEATNGU
09-02-2007, 04:34 PM
I can't believe I did it, but I actually walked out of a Halloween movie halfway through. I couldn't take it anymore. Rob Zombie sucks and so do all is trailer trash friends that are in all his movies including his wife. Rob zombie doesn't make horror movies, he makes stupid trash with fuck being every other word. Nothing he has made was scary. He didn't reinvent Halloween, he just showed exactly how his other cast members live their every day lives. Rob Zombie ruined the series. For the love of god, will John Carpenter say something please!

No, since he's too busy counting his money, eating pizza, drinking beer, watching porn, and playing video games to give a shit.

Laow-Z
09-02-2007, 04:35 PM
Geez, some of you are so dramatic and think are making more than what it was.

Beetlescott
09-02-2007, 04:35 PM
I think most would agree that it was already ruined. Besides, this isn't part of the old series.

Mark, I agree. It has been 5 years since we have heard anything from the franchise. Now, here we have this? It looks very much like it is gonna make money! You can almost be assured that we will have another one in the next year. The question is, WHAT WILL IT BE?

HannibalBEATNGU
09-02-2007, 04:38 PM
Mark, I agree. It has been 5 years since we have heard anything from the franchise. Now, here we have this? It looks very much like it is gonna make money! You can almost be assured that we will have another one in the next year. The question is, WHAT WILL IT BE?

Halloween 2...Part II.

On the plus side, a ton of people that hated Corpses loved Rejects and even the people that liked Corpses thought that Rejects was a dramatic improvement.

Perhaps Halloween 2 will follow suite if Rob makes it.

Undrtkerkane
09-02-2007, 04:41 PM
Halloween 2...Part II.

On the plus side, a ton of people that hated Corpses loved Rejects and even the people that liked Corpses thought that Rejects was a dramatic improvement.

Perhaps Halloween 2 will follow suite if Rob makes it.

I wonder if Rob will skip 2 and redo 3 in a different direction....maybe we can finally have a Halloween III with Micheal :)

Beetlescott
09-02-2007, 04:41 PM
Halloween 2...Part II.

On the plus side, a ton of people that hated Corpses loved Rejects and even the people that liked Corpses thought that Rejects was a dramatic improvement.

Perhaps Halloween 2 will follow suite if Rob makes it.

That is funny! Could this franchise BE any more messed up??? Does this installment take us in a THIRD direction? Joking....

Worthystevens
09-02-2007, 04:42 PM
I can't believe I did it, but I actually walked out of a Halloween movie halfway through. I couldn't take it anymore. Rob Zombie sucks and so do all is trailer trash friends that are in all his movies including his wife. Rob zombie doesn't make horror movies, he makes stupid trash with fuck being every other word. Nothing he has made was scary. He didn't reinvent Halloween, he just showed exactly how his other cast members live their every day lives. Rob Zombie ruined the series. For the love of god, will John Carpenter say something please!

Wow, it's a good thing you viewed this so objectively. :nodsmile:

HannibalBEATNGU
09-02-2007, 04:44 PM
Maybe we can get Halloween 7 to pick up where 6 left off, Halloween 9 to pick up whree H20 left off, and Halloween 3 to pick up where RZH left off all in theatres at once...

3 different Halloween franchises to choose from, awesome!:)

That can be followed by a triple Shape battle royale movie.

Beetlescott
09-02-2007, 04:46 PM
Maybe we can get Halloween 7 to pick up where 6 left off, Halloween 9 to pick up whree H20 left off, and Halloween 3 to pick up where RZH left off all in theatres at once...

3 different Halloween franchises to choose from, awesome!:)

That can be followed by a triple Shape battle royale movie.

Too funny, If Saturday Night Live ever got a hold of this, what a field day!!!!

HannibalBEATNGU
09-02-2007, 04:48 PM
Pretty soon the Legion of Michael Myers won't be a bunch of fans dressing up like him to go see the movie, it'll be how many different versions there are of him.

It'll be like Village of the Damned, except with shapes that look alike and show no emotion rather than kids.

Beetlescott
09-02-2007, 04:49 PM
Mr Meyers, its! TRIPLETTS!

PositiveandFun
09-02-2007, 04:55 PM
OMG are we still debating the shape theory?

Femanizer
09-02-2007, 05:01 PM
Rob zombie doesn't make horror movies, he makes stupid trash with fuck being every other word.

Jesus Rob, you don't have to swear....every other word you say is either hell or shit or damn!!

Sorry but anyone complaining about bad language in an R rated movie really needs to get out more.

Ravenheart
09-02-2007, 05:02 PM
Jesus Rob, you don't have to swear....every other word you say is either hell or shit or damn!!

Sorry but anyone complaining about bad language in an R rated movie really needs to get out more.

I guess Rob just fucks up all the time ;)

Worthystevens
09-02-2007, 05:04 PM
Sorry but anyone complaining about bad language in an R rated movie really needs to get out more.

Goddamn fucking right they damn need to. Shit. ;)

PositiveandFun
09-02-2007, 05:09 PM
so...like...does this mean we have incorporate the RZ fans into the fan base or do you think they'll disappear quietly in the darkness eventually?

Laow-Z
09-02-2007, 05:10 PM
Jesus Rob, you don't have to swear....every other word you say is either hell or shit or damn!!

Sorry but anyone complaining about bad language in an R rated movie really needs to get out more.

However, there is a difference between bad language in a "R" rated movie and downright vulgar language.

EvilOnTwoLegs
09-02-2007, 05:11 PM
EOTL, did you write a review yet? I am interested in hearing your perspective, especially as the days go by and you have a chance to reflect

edit: honestly I am dying to know whether you thought this film did any justice whatsoever to its namesake and genre.
I've got a (long as hell) review up in the Review Thread. It's more an analysis of the film, as its own entity, with some opinions as to where I feel it fits in the franchise...it's certainly no H1, but I find it to be better than most of the sequels.



But not nearly like he did in the original. Plus, it's more than lurking, it's about stalking as well. He just didn't feel like the Shape, he was Michael Myers. The Shape to me has only worked in one film, the original.
Exactly...but fans still call him The Shape in the sequels. It's just become a shorthand. I think that technically, H1 had the only true Shape...but if it's kosher to call Myers "The Shape" in the sequels, it's just as fine for the remake.



However, there is a difference between bad language in a "R" rated movie and downright vulgar language.
That's right...vulgar language is more fun, you cunt. ;)

Femanizer
09-02-2007, 05:15 PM
However, there is a difference between bad language in a "R" rated movie and downright vulgar language.

Yes but anyone who can't appreciate Ronnie White insinuating that Michael is gonna grow up and cut off his dick and balls and change his name to Mee-chelle....is someone I don't care to know ;) :bastard:

Beetlescott
09-02-2007, 05:16 PM
However, there is a difference between bad language in a "R" rated movie and downright vulgar language.

You are very correct! The movie would have been just as good, (or even better) without all the profanity. At some point, it becomes pointless! IMHO

EvilOnTwoLegs
09-02-2007, 05:18 PM
You are very correct! The movie would have been just as good, (or even better) without all the profanity. At some point, it becomes pointless! IMHO
No sense in people getting all worked up over something pointless, then, is there? ;)

Femanizer
09-02-2007, 05:18 PM
actually at some point it disappeared....the last half of the film didn't have near as much of the "vulgar" language. And to be truthful the language was more realistic than people would like to admit, I live around rednecks and the dialogue was pretty much spot on.

Beetlescott
09-02-2007, 05:19 PM
No sense in people getting all worked up over something pointless, then, is there? ;)

EOTL you are correct!

MichaelJrdnMyrs
09-02-2007, 05:37 PM
I think people complaining about the language probably have no problems with other movies that are just as, or even more dirty.

Just a hunch.

I didn't even notice it much. The badly written dialogue at times though, which often didn't involve swearing, well...

AJ*
09-02-2007, 05:38 PM
anyone here like the fact that rob made the shape run a little bit towards the end? i for one, actually liked that they made the shape run

Not really. That particular scene gave me a Friday Part 4 flashback when Jason charges at Trish and she leaps out of the window. That's one thing about this film. It kept reminding me of scenes from other films.

Zombie
09-02-2007, 05:40 PM
Exactly...but fans still call him The Shape in the sequels. It's just become a shorthand. I think that technically, H1 had the only true Shape...but if it's kosher to call Myers "The Shape" in the sequels, it's just as fine for the remake.

I see when you're coming from, but I even try to stay away from calling him the Shape in the sequels, because, well he really hasn't been since the original.

I think the more apt term would be bogeyman. That seems to work for every Michael Myers, from H1 to H:R.

PositiveandFun
09-02-2007, 05:40 PM
I had a few Friday the 13th flashbacks actually....

Zombie
09-02-2007, 05:42 PM
I think people complaining about the language probably have no problems with other movies that are just as, or even more dirty.

Just a hunch.

I didn't even notice it much. The badly written dialogue at times though, which often didn't involve swearing, well...

I don't care about vulgar language if it isn't done in a way that makes you laugh (unless intentionally). In the childhood scenes, the language was so poorly written, that you couldn't help but laugh. I know many in the theatre I viewed the show in laughed.

AJ*
09-02-2007, 05:44 PM
Its one thing to be a huge fan, but being so picky as to whether he deserves the title "Shape" or not is just being paranoid. Maybe your right, in H4-8, he probably wasnt very "shape-like" but i actually think Myers did the most stalking in the shadows in Zombies movie since H2.

Not sure why H4 is lumped in with that group because Michael did a ton of stalking from the shadows in that movie.

The Dark Shape
09-02-2007, 05:45 PM
"Bitch, I will crawl over there and skullfuck the shit out of you!"

Femanizer
09-02-2007, 05:46 PM
You really don't think people were meant to laugh at the insinuation that Michael was gonna become a woman, Sean? Or at Ronnie saying he was gonna skull fuck someone...I mean every bit of that dialogue was meant to make his character laughable.

AJ*
09-02-2007, 05:47 PM
I don't care about vulgar language if it isn't done in a way that makes you laugh (unless intentionally). In the childhood scenes, the language was so poorly written, that you couldn't help but laugh. I know many in the theatre I viewed the show in laughed.

I love cursing in films...when it doesn't come off as sounding forced and that's how it came across in RZH. Sometimes actors rise above bad dialogue but they couldn't in this case.

H-Field Hero
09-02-2007, 05:47 PM
It's not the Shape. We discussed this in the last thread, calling him the Shape does an injustice to what the Shape really was.
Yep. This is Michael Myers, not the Shape.This is absolutely true. Whether you love the movie, hate the movie, or fall in the middle (like many of us) it's hard to deny that this movie features Michael Myers - A mentally disturbed human being. There is no "shape" in this movie and that's okay. There are plenty of knocks on this movie and this shouldn't be one of them. But it is worth stating.

When I discuss JC's Halloween I often find myself referring to him as the shape, because in the original that fits him to a T. But in this film it's "Michael".
"Bitch, I will crawl over there and skullfuck the shit out of you!"I think that and some of the other early dialogue sort of undermines the intelligence of the audience. Are we supposed to laugh at this? Is it this exaggerated so that we "get" that this is as screwed up family? It certainly could have been toned down a little and still maintained it's purpose.
After all this talk, both good and bad, I have decided that I am going back to the theater Tuesday and watching it again. There is so much you miss the first time around!Yes and I think once more people do this we'll see them back off their initial knee jerk reactions. Whether that be calling the film a piece of shit or calling it the better than everything since the original.

Dr_Loomis02
09-02-2007, 05:51 PM
I think its rather humorous that people are arguing what Michael should be "called." Who cares.
The shape, boogeyman, Michael Myers, the big M, evil on two legs!
Its a name.
Personally, I think Tyler Mane has trophied the name of the shape, being the best Myers since Castle, IMO.
But call him whatever you want. What difference does it make?

MichaelJrdnMyrs
09-02-2007, 05:54 PM
I think its rather humorous that people are arguing what Michael should be "called." Who cares.
The shape, boogeyman, Michael Myers, the big M, evil on two legs!
Its a name.
Personally, I think Tyler Mane has trophied the name of the shape, being the best Myers since Castle, IMO.
But call him whatever you want. What difference does it make?


I vote for M&M. Or Kareem.

Todd
09-02-2007, 05:57 PM
I think its rather humorous that people are arguing what Michael should be "called." Who cares.
The shape, boogeyman, Michael Myers, the big M, evil on two legs!
Its a name.
Personally, I think Tyler Mane has trophied the name of the shape, being the best Myers since Castle, IMO.
But call him whatever you want. What difference does it make?
That's true enough.
By what criteria do we call Michael "The Shape"?
Does he have to pop up out of nowhere a certian number of times?
I mean, Zombie showed us this movie largely from Michaels perspective in the sense that we knew where he was at almost all times, but we only knew where he was because we were shown it. That doesn't mean he was out in the open at all times just because the audience knew where he was. Laurie Strode saw Michael several times during the day as he was stalking her in the original, so it could be argued that he didn't exactly hide himself all the time in that movie, either.

MichaelJrdnMyrs
09-02-2007, 05:57 PM
This is absolutely true. Whether you love the movie, hate the movie, or fall in the middle (like many of us) it's hard to deny that this movie features Michael Myers - A mentally disturbed human being. There is no "shape" in this movie and that's okay. There are plenty of knocks on this movie and this shouldn't be one of them. But it is worth stating.

When I discuss JC's Halloween I often find myself referring to him as the shape, because in the original that fits him to a T. But in this film it's "Michael".I think that and some of the other early dialogue sort of undermines the intelligence of the audience. Are we supposed to laugh at this? Is it this exaggerated so that we "get" that this is as screwed up family? It certainly could have been toned down a little and still maintained it's purpose.Yes and I think once more people do this we'll see them back off their initial knee jerk reactions. Whether that be calling the film a piece of shit or calling it the better than everything since the original.

I think he's supposed to be an outlandish, retarded character.

The Dark Shape
09-02-2007, 05:57 PM
Thomas Hewitt Myers, based on the sanitarium massacre.

(Sorry, can't help myself)

H-Field Hero
09-02-2007, 05:58 PM
I think its rather humorous that people are arguing what Michael should be "called." Who cares.
The shape, boogeyman, Michael Myers, the big M, evil on two legs!
Its a name.
Personally, I think Tyler Mane has trophied the name of the shape, being the best Myers since Castle, IMO.
But call him whatever you want. What difference does it make?Well I'll concede that it's hardly worth arguing about. At least I refuse to do so haha. But "the shape" has symbolism and meaning behind it. It's not just some dopey name that Carpenter gave to the guy in the mask because he couldn't think of anything else. It was the foundation to which Carpenter would portray this thing he created. Being "the shape" had to do with how he was filmed, what he was doing while he was on camera, and many other suddle things.

I just want to be sure and point out that these aren't the ramblings of a Halloween purist fanatic who can't let go and accept anything else. This is just how I view the contrast between the two Michaels. Certainly I would take Carpenters over Zombie's, but that doesn't mean the latter is without it's own level of nuances and effectiveness.
I think he's supposed to be an outlandish, retarded character.In which case that's perfectly fine. But it doesn't change the point. That's why I'm trying to be very clear in saying that this isn't a rip on Rob Zombie's Michael Myers. It's more of a matter of apples and oranges than a matter of better or worse.

Zombie
09-02-2007, 06:01 PM
You really don't think people were meant to laugh at the insinuation that Michael was gonna become a woman, Sean? Or at Ronnie saying he was gonna skull fuck someone...I mean every bit of that dialogue was meant to make his character laughable.

So it was a comedy-horror?

Khan
09-02-2007, 06:01 PM
The movie stunk.

Don't try and change my mind.

Femanizer
09-02-2007, 06:02 PM
So it was a comedy-horror?

Serious horror can contain funny characters, you're not NEW Sean you should know that by now.

Zombie
09-02-2007, 06:04 PM
Well I'll concede that it's hardly worth arguing about. At least I refuse to do so haha. But "the shape" has symbolism and meaning behind it. It's not just some dopey name that Carpenter gave to the guy in the mask because he couldn't think of anything else. It was the foundation to which Carpenter would portray this thing he created. Being "the shape" had to do with how he was filmed, what he was doing while he was on camera, and many other suddle things.

I just want to be sure and point out that these aren't the ramblings of a Halloween purist fanatic who can't let go and accept anything else. This is just how I view the contrast between the two Michaels. Certainly I would take Carpenters over Zombie's, but that doesn't mean the latter is without it's own level of nuances and effectiveness.In which case that's perfectly fine. But it doesn't change the point. That's why I'm trying to be very clear in saying that this isn't a rip on Rob Zombie's Michael Myers. It's more of a matter of apples and oranges than a matter of better or worse.

Pretty much. I'm not going to get my panties in a bunch over something like this. But I agree with you, so yeah. Anyway, the underlying problem I had with Zombie's Halloween was that he did not close in on the teens like the Shape did in Halloween. He essentially just jumped in and started offing them one by one.

mcilroga
09-02-2007, 06:04 PM
themyerswalk hated the film? I'm shocked. :bastard:

I guess I'll just counter that by saying that Dawn Of The Dead is far from the best film ever made, not the best horror film ever made, and pales in comparison to Romero's Night Of The Living Dead. Take that. :owned:

Femanizer
09-02-2007, 06:05 PM
themyerswalk hated the film? I'm shocked. :bastard:

I guess I'll just counter that by saying that Dawn Of The Dead is far from the best film ever made, not the best horror film ever made, and pales in comparison to Romero's Night Of The Living Dead. Take that. :owned:

haha leave it to Derek to make me laugh :) :marytyler:

Khan
09-02-2007, 06:06 PM
I went into it with an open mind (yes, I did) and looked at as a slasher first and a Halloween movie second.

It failed on both accounts.

I never once compared it to the original.

nwiser
09-02-2007, 06:06 PM
They can't remake Halloween 2 or Halloween 3 unless they want to get sued. Unviersal owns the rights to the films and has made it clear they're not giving it up.

DO PEOPLE EVEN READ THE OTHER FORUMS HERE?!

I dont know the legal aspects but I would think that if its a sequel to a movie that was called "Halloween", so long as it didnt have anything to do with the film they held the rights to, it would be acceptible?

Also, if someone did want to remake H2, could they approach Universal about them (Universal) doing the remake instead of Dimension?

Zombie
09-02-2007, 06:07 PM
Serious horror can contain funny characters, you're not NEW Sean you should know that by now.

There are funny characters and then there are characters so poorly written that you can't help but laugh at what they say. RZ's Halloween falls into the latter, sadly.

jigsaw_dude
09-02-2007, 06:07 PM
anyone here like the fact that rob made the shape run a little bit towards the end? i for one, actually liked that they made the shape run

I liked that as well. It's like he's saying "hey I'm not fuckin around anymore, and I'm going to get you"

HannibalBEATNGU
09-02-2007, 06:08 PM
Thomas Hewitt Myers, based on the sanitarium massacre.

(Sorry, can't help myself)

Kinda funny that Rob hates TCM03 so much, since he sort of made me feel like I was watching it based on his depiction of Michael.

Femanizer
09-02-2007, 06:08 PM
There are funny characters and then there are characters so poorly written that you can't help but laugh at what they say. RZ's Halloween falls into the latter, sadly.

Not for me...I liked all of the characters in the film. Someone else who posts here and I have been quoting them like crazy on the phone so it was all good...and you owe me pictures.

MichaelJrdnMyrs
09-02-2007, 06:08 PM
In which case that's perfectly fine. But it doesn't change the point. That's why I'm trying to be very clear in saying that this isn't a rip on Rob Zombie's Michael Myers. It's more of a matter of apples and oranges than a matter of better or worse.

Sorry, I was talking about the dad, who is basically the major source of complaint in the opening scenes. He's out there a bit, but hey, it's a movie.

I'm sure there are crazier folk out there who being at the breakfast table with them is a lot worse

Khan
09-02-2007, 06:13 PM
themyerswalk hated the film? I'm shocked. :bastard:

I guess I'll just counter that by saying that Dawn Of The Dead is far from the best film ever made, not the best horror film ever made, and pales in comparison to Romero's Night Of The Living Dead. Take that. :owned:

That is my opinion and I am sticking with it.

ghettomyers
09-02-2007, 06:14 PM
ooooooo damn.

hell Ronnie craked me the hell up..Skull fuck did it for me i think i laughed louder than anyone, i mean out of all the things that he could have said lol Skull fuck was the one he chose thats some funny ass shit. Hell i liked all the characters my damn self, and the whole running thing was not as bad as people on here were thinkin it to be hell i was fine with the running.

H-Field Hero
09-02-2007, 06:16 PM
Pretty much. I'm not going to get my panties in a bunch over something like this. But I agree with you, so yeah. Anyway, the underlying problem I had with Zombie's Halloween was that he did not close in on the teens like the Shape did in Halloween. He essentially just jumped in and started offing them one by one.With the way Rob layed this film out there simply wasn't enough time. You almost have to wonder if he should have just revamped the entire second half and not had it resemble a rushed version of the original.

Dr_Loomis02
09-02-2007, 06:17 PM
There are funny characters and then there are characters so poorly written that you can't help but laugh at what they say. RZ's Halloween falls into the latter, sadly.

Yeah, you bring up this point often, but I'm not seeing this either. Of what characters are you speaking? There are no "Tina" characters, or "clown cops." In fact, all the characters are different and of wide variety. I like that aspect a lot.

Superman
09-02-2007, 06:17 PM
Jesus Rob, you don't have to swear....every other word you say is either hell or shit or damn!!

Sorry but anyone complaining about bad language in an R rated movie really needs to get out more. Sorry...not everyone finds it acceptable to speak that way. When I go out, I don't hear that kind of language. It's not needed or acceptable.


However, there is a difference between bad language in a "R" rated movie and downright vulgar language.
Exactly. Thank you. It was waaay over the top in this movie. For a minute I thought I might be watching the South Park movie.

9Teen_AT4
09-02-2007, 06:20 PM
You can call him whatever you want, I'll just refute that by saying I think it's wrong to call him something he is not. The whole point to the Shape was that he lurked in the shadows, stalking his victims instead of just showing up and offing them one by one.


Very Well Said. It seems that Rob Zombie does not even acknowledge what the "Shape" is/was.

Dr_Loomis02
09-02-2007, 06:20 PM
Sorry...not everyone finds it acceptable to speak that way. When I go out, I don't hear that kind of language. It's not needed or acceptable.


Exactly. Thank you. It was waaay over the top in this movie. For a minute I thought I might be watching the South Park movie.

I'm not an advocate for profanity, but I disagree here. I don't think it was over the top for this kind of movie. There was a gritty reality to this film. That's one of the aspects I liked about it.
This was no "South Park." The profanity played its part. I wouldn't have missed it some places, but nor was I shaken out of my socks by the use of it. It was fine.

The Dark Shape
09-02-2007, 06:20 PM
Once again -- it's not the swearing that bugs me, it's the fact the dialogue is written in such a piss-poor way.

Femanizer
09-02-2007, 06:20 PM
Sorry...not everyone finds it acceptable to speak that way. When I go out, I don't hear that kind of language. It's not needed or acceptable.


Exactly. Thank you. It was waaay over the top in this movie. For a minute I thought I might be watching the South Park movie.

Then don't go see R rated movies I would say, they often contain language and to expect them not to is really ridiculous.

Ravenheart
09-02-2007, 06:21 PM
The language didn't really bother me at all.

Zombie
09-02-2007, 06:21 PM
Yeah, you bring up this point often, but I'm not seeing this either. Of what characters are you speaking? There are no "Tina" characters, or "clown cops." In fact, all the characters are different and of wide variety. I like that aspect a lot.

I bring it up often because most of the characters are poorly written. The only character we really get to know is Michael, the rest of the characters feel like they were just thrown in to give Michael reason to kill. You might not agree with me, but I felt the movie was lacking in character development outside of Michael, especially when it came to their dialogue. And because of that, it was easy to get disinterested.

Dr_Loomis02
09-02-2007, 06:21 PM
Once again -- it's not the swearing that bugs me, it's the fact the dialogue is written in such a piss-poor way.

What dialogue are you referring to? There were possibly a couple akward lines, but piss pour? Hardly. I certianly disagree.

Dr_Loomis02
09-02-2007, 06:22 PM
I bring it up often because most of the characters are poorly written. The only character we really get to know is Michael, the rest of the characters feel like they were just thrown in to give Michael reason to kill. You might not agree with me, but I felt the movie was lacking in character development outside of Michael, especially when it came to their dialogue. And because of that, it was easy to get disinterested.

Fair enough. But it seemed to me what you were saying earlier was different. The characters might not have been developed to your liking, but that doesn't mean they were bad characters. Big difference.

Khan
09-02-2007, 06:24 PM
I wasn't bothered by the language, just by how badly some of the dialogue was written.

Superman
09-02-2007, 06:25 PM
Then don't go see R rated movies I would say, they often contain language and to expect them not to is really ridiculous.

I've seen plenty or R rated movies that had no where near as much vulgar language as this movie had. It was not needed in this movie.

The Dark Shape
09-02-2007, 06:26 PM
What dialogue are you referring to? There were possibly a couple akward lines, but piss pour? Hardly. I certianly disagree.

Every exchange between Deborah and Ronnie at the beginning. Perfectly summed up by, "Jesus, Ronnie, you fucking loud mouth!" Haha, Rob.

ghettomyers
09-02-2007, 06:26 PM
the diologe wasnt that bad, now there might have some lil parts where it was jus a LIL uneeded but as far cusing i garentee u that a LOT and i mean ALOT of people cuse more in 2 hours than twice in that movie and then they come in here sayin it was over the top....oooooook....and i agree wit the not enough time thing it jus seems like if RZ had like at least 10 mins of gurl time in the movie wit jus 2 or 3 extra scenes it would have had a better time consuming feel.

Femanizer
09-02-2007, 06:27 PM
I've seen plenty or R rated movies that had no where near as much vulgar language as this movie had. It was not needed in this movie.

Yeah that opinion is laughable...to complain about language in a film with severe violence is just a joke. A huge one at that.

Todd
09-02-2007, 06:28 PM
I'm not an advocate for profanity, but I disagree here. I don't think it was over the top for this kind of movie. There was a gritty reality to this film. That's one of the aspects I liked about it.
This was no "South Park." The profanity played its part. I wouldn't have missed it some places, but nor was I shaken out of my socks by the use of it. It was fine.
Yeah, some people apparently live very sheltered existences if they were overly offended by the language here. It might have gotten a bit excessive at times, but not to any great extent.

Dr_Loomis02
09-02-2007, 06:28 PM
Yeah that opinion is laughable...to complain about language in a film with severe violence is just a joke. A huge one at that.

I agree. Plus, I don't think it was out of place. Not with the way the film presented itself. Its supposed to be there.

Monte
09-02-2007, 06:29 PM
Honestly, I didn't even take note of the language until it was brought up as an issue here. That's just what people talk like. *shrug*

Superman
09-02-2007, 06:31 PM
Yeah that opinion is laughable...to complain about language in a film with severe violence is just a joke. A huge one at that.

No one was talking about violence. It you find it funny, I guess that's your problem. This is a horror movie....where violence is expected. People are talking about the language that was too much.

Beetlescott
09-02-2007, 06:32 PM
I have to say to all you guys, that I have enjoyed this discussion better than anything in a long time! Thanks!!!

Scott

The Dark Shape
09-02-2007, 06:32 PM
I'm not talking about the language, I'm talking about the dialogue. I have no problem with swearing as long as people don't sound like they're twelve.

nwiser
09-02-2007, 06:33 PM
Anyone else feel the slogan 'EVIL HAS A DESTINY' sounds weak or corny?

what exactly was Michaels destiny anyway? I sincerely doubt it was to kill a bunch of people and be ambiguously shot in the face.

does anyone think its possible Michael wasnt "evil"? evil in this instance seems to imply something almost inhuman, but most of the acts committed by michael could be explained as something a normal person would be capable of under the right circumstances.

Femanizer
09-02-2007, 06:33 PM
No one was talking about violence. It you find it funny, I guess that's your problem. This is a horror movie....where violence is expected. People are talking about the language that was too much.

No I am talking about the ONE or TWO people who found the language unacceptable, there are others doing it too, but you didn't quote THEM did you. The grudge has to end man...it's pathetic.

Zombie
09-02-2007, 06:34 PM
Fair enough. But it seemed to me what you were saying earlier was different. The characters might not have been developed to your liking, but that doesn't mean they were bad characters. Big difference.

When they're not developed properly, they are in fact bad characters. They become hollow and seem to just be there for the sole purpose of giving Michael a reason to kill.

Pug-a-Licious
09-02-2007, 06:35 PM
Wow, the language didn't bother me a bit...felt like my last family reunion.

Femanizer
09-02-2007, 06:36 PM
Wow, the language didn't bother me a bit...felt like my last family reunion.

God you are fucking white trash...

halo thirty one
09-02-2007, 06:36 PM
Wow, the language didn't bother me a bit...felt like my last family reunion.
You hillbilly ;)

Pug-a-Licious
09-02-2007, 06:36 PM
God you are fucking white trash...


AHAH Thanks for noticing ;)

Monte
09-02-2007, 06:37 PM
When they're not developed properly, they are in fact bad characters. They become hollow and seem to just be there for the sole purpose of giving Michael a reason to kill.

Oddly, I've come across a lot of real life people I've felt the exact same way about. God sure is shitty at character development.

D Adams
09-02-2007, 06:37 PM
Just FYI to Mark Warner, yes, there are two actors that were from JC's Prince Of Darkness in RZ's Halloween. One was a woman , and she played a news reporter on the television, and the other was talking with Loomis and the Head of Smith Grove ......nearly bald guy.

Pug-a-Licious
09-02-2007, 06:37 PM
You hillbilly ;)

I prefer the phrase "one who lives in the hills" get politically correct damn it, you could hurt my feelings!

D Adams
09-02-2007, 06:38 PM
As for who played the head of Smith's Grove and a vamp in Blade, his name is Udo Kier.

And I hear he was in a JC movie as well ... so lots of actors from previous JC movies ... As I said, I saw 2 from POD ..

Khan
09-02-2007, 06:38 PM
I wish Brad Dourif had got more screen time.

Zombie
09-02-2007, 06:38 PM
Oddly, I've come across a lot of real life people I've felt the exact same way about. God sure is shitty at character development.

Yeah, well I'd hope we wouldn't make a movie about them, either. ;)

Monte
09-02-2007, 06:40 PM
Yeah, well I'd hope we wouldn't make a movie about them, either. ;)

Touche.

Femanizer
09-02-2007, 06:40 PM
And I hear he was in a JC movie as well ... so lots of actors from previous JC movies ... As I said, I saw 2 from POD ..

Udo Kier was in Cigarette Burns directed by JC...for Masters of Horror

nwiser
09-02-2007, 06:40 PM
Yes but anyone who can't appreciate Ronnie White insinuating that Michael is gonna grow up and cut off his dick and balls and change his name to Mee-chelle....is someone I don't care to know ;) :bastard:

haha maybe Ronnie was forshadowing...maybe the gun wasnt actually pointed at Michaels face at the end.... :bastard:

The Dark Shape
09-02-2007, 06:41 PM
The best theory I heard was that Laurie shot her knee-cap. "Brilliant!" - Bob Weinstein

Beetlescott
09-02-2007, 06:42 PM
I wish Brad Dourif had got more screen time.

I agree, he is one of my favorite actors. He played a great recurring role in another favorite of mine; Star Trek Voyager. He played a psycopathic killer. He did it so well!

halo thirty one
09-02-2007, 06:42 PM
The best theory I heard was that Laurie shot her knee-cap. "Brilliant!" - Bob Weinstein
Haha, that would explain why she was screaming so much.

Khan
09-02-2007, 06:42 PM
If the pacing had been better, I would have liked it more.

Rob really rushed the remake part, and some scenes really dragged out.


The best theory I heard was that Laurie shot her knee-cap. "Brilliant!" - Bob Weinstein

HAHA

Monte
09-02-2007, 06:42 PM
The best theory I heard was that Laurie shot her knee-cap. "Brilliant!" - Bob Weinstein

Holy crap, I bet they actually do go with that idea.

D Adams
09-02-2007, 06:43 PM
He did lurk in the shadows, well in the third Act he did.

Actually, there was MORE lurking than that (which was something I wish they had kept).... but we can't discuss until tomorrow as that is in the WP .....

The real Shape
09-02-2007, 06:43 PM
She could of shot his mouth. I don't think he could die from that..

The Dark Shape
09-02-2007, 06:43 PM
It makes her rabid screaming all the funnier.

Femanizer
09-02-2007, 06:44 PM
She could of shot his mouth. I don't think he could die from that..

She could have shot him in the eyes, Halloween II proved that won't kill him...OR blind him

PositiveandFun
09-02-2007, 06:46 PM
Haha, that would explain why she was screaming so much.

I heard a good theory....that while Laurie was passed out Michael switched and put Annie under the mask...hence why he grabbed her wrist and not her neck....thus...she was screaming because it was Annie that got shot.

Beetlescott
09-02-2007, 06:46 PM
I don't think it matter WHERE she shot him, this movie is a success. (already having a great weekend) HE WILL BE BACK.

Superman
09-02-2007, 06:46 PM
No I am talking about the ONE or TWO people who found the language unacceptable, there are others doing it too, but you didn't quote THEM did you. The grudge has to end man...it's pathetic.

I have never seen The grudge. Is it any good? I know they made a second one, so it couldn't have been that bad.

Pug-a-Licious
09-02-2007, 06:47 PM
She could have shot him in the eyes, Halloween II proved that won't kill him...OR blind him

Yeah, I bet Loomis' eyes reappear in the sequel...cuz you know there is going to be one....

Monte
09-02-2007, 06:48 PM
I heard a good theory....that while Laurie was passed out Michael switched and put Annie under the mask...hence why he grabbed her wrist and not her neck....thus...she was screaming because it was Annie that got shot.

So did Annie grow a couple feet and acquire big meaty hands?

Femanizer
09-02-2007, 06:48 PM
I have never seen The grudge. Is it any good? I know they made a second one, so it couldn't have been that bad.

I don't know I do know there is no baby Bill in it...so yeah that would be confusing..

PositiveandFun
09-02-2007, 06:52 PM
So did Annie grow a couple feet and acquire big meaty hands?

anything is possible in a horror movie....let's see...let's cut his head off....burn him alive...etc. Oh! He's Back! He's Back!

nwiser
09-02-2007, 06:53 PM
I agree, he is one of my favorite actors. He played a great recurring role in another favorite of mine; Star Trek Voyager. He played a psycopathic killer. He did it so well!

wait...what? who did he play in VOY?

MIKES-SPAUN
09-02-2007, 06:58 PM
It's not the Shape. We discussed this in the last thread, calling him the Shape does an injustice to what the Shape really was.
very well said, not a better way to

AJ*
09-02-2007, 06:59 PM
Yeah, I bet Loomis' eyes reappear in the sequel...cuz you know there is going to be one....

In case you forgot Loomis's eyes healed like Wolverine 10 seconds after getting them crushed in :roflmao:

D Adams
09-02-2007, 06:59 PM
So did Annie grow a couple feet and acquire big meaty hands?

They will find a way ... I never thought they would switch Michael with an ambulance driver or paramedic in H20, but they did ....... I guess he was superhuman as well since JLC slung him through the van window, then hit him with the van and he still moved (was alive) as if he was not injured (like Michael would). A normal man would have been down, knocked out, and/or dead from all that impact ......... That's what really pissed me off about the switch for Resurrection.

D Adams
09-02-2007, 07:01 PM
On the profanity issue .... most of it is all in the beginning and early years of Michael ... there is not much after that at all. So, if you can get past the first 20 min or so, its a wash .....

The people in my theater were laughing their ass off at Ronnie's comments ... They obviously were not offended and thought it was funny. I laughed as well as you really take his character as comical, not necessarily vulgarity for insult.

Pug-a-Licious
09-02-2007, 07:02 PM
In case you forgot Loomis's eyes healed like Wolverine 10 seconds after getting them crushed in :roflmao:

LMAO Yes I noticed there was no BLOOD anymore..and that his eyes were closed and apeared to be fine!

Maybe the shape needs stronger fingers.

mr_casper_sgv
09-02-2007, 07:05 PM
I liked this movie a lot, I loved how Danielle showed her nice boobs. anyways the whole movie was good, I kinda liked the beginning the best for some reason.

Trooper#4
09-02-2007, 07:05 PM
I agree with The Dark Shape. The opening breakfast scene was just too over the top. Its not the language...its the way it was written. It would work for House of 1,000 Corpses and TCM.

Also, I kept thinking Thomas Hewitt Myers. They are similar in size...the long hair...the mask making..the animal mutilation. There's little difference between adult Mikey in the institution and Thomas Hewitt.

People were laughing at little Mikey with the adult mask on. And when Laurie was screaming at the end. But no laughs during the white trash breakfast.

mr_casper_sgv
09-02-2007, 07:08 PM
What happend to baby bill? how was Laurie Related to Michael? I didn't see her in the beginning, please help me out on this question thanks.

Khan
09-02-2007, 07:08 PM
If the pacing was better, I would have liked it more.

Femanizer
09-02-2007, 07:09 PM
If the pacing was better, I would have liked it more.

If you say that a few more times we might believe you....

mr_casper_sgv
09-02-2007, 07:10 PM
God I hope not!


I heard a good theory....that while Laurie was passed out Michael switched and put Annie under the mask...hence why he grabbed her wrist and not her neck....thus...she was screaming because it was Annie that got shot.

Beetlescott
09-02-2007, 07:12 PM
wait...what? who did he play in VOY?

He played Ensign Lon Suder in a few episodes in the 2nd season. He murdered someone and confessed to Tuvok. He was placed under house arrest and the second season cliffhanger, and third season opener is where he really shone! The main episodes were The Basics part 1 &2

Khan
09-02-2007, 07:14 PM
If you say that a few more times we might believe you....

I did like the music and Daeg took a hard role and impressed me.

McDowell is a great actor, but I didn't fully dig him as Loomis.

The first half had some good pacing, but like many other people, I felt that the remake portion was really quick at times and then totally slowed down at other times.

Femanizer
09-02-2007, 07:15 PM
Yeah but what did you think about the pacing? Are you saying that if the pacing was better you would have liked it better?

Khan
09-02-2007, 07:16 PM
The movie lacked flow, so yes, if the it hadn't been as jerky in its pacing, it would have worked more for me.

Femanizer
09-02-2007, 07:17 PM
So you're saying that if the pacing was better you would have liked it better?

Khan
09-02-2007, 07:19 PM
What is your point with this?

Femanizer
09-02-2007, 07:20 PM
I'm just wondering that if the pacing was better would you have liked it better? :bastard:

Beetlescott
09-02-2007, 07:20 PM
What is your point with this?

ROFLMAO

Superman
09-02-2007, 07:23 PM
What happend to baby bill? how was Laurie Related to Michael? I didn't see her in the beginning, please help me out on this question thanks.

I have no idea. I too heard the baby called Bill, but someone else on the board said they called it Boo. I know I heard Bill.

Femanizer
09-02-2007, 07:24 PM
I have no idea. I too heard the baby called Bill, but someone else on the board said they called it Boo. I know I heard Bill.

"Little Billy Myers who lived across the street"

Pug-a-Licious
09-02-2007, 07:24 PM
I have no idea. I too heard the baby called Bill, but someone else on the board said they called it Boo. I know I heard Bill.

To be fully honest, I never heard the name Bill, but he did call the baby Boo twice that I know of.

Khan
09-02-2007, 07:26 PM
I agree, he is one of my favorite actors. He played a great recurring role in another favorite of mine; Star Trek Voyager. He played a psycopathic killer. He did it so well!

He was great as Suder!

I really was sad when he gave his life to save the ship.

Beetlescott
09-02-2007, 07:26 PM
Micael was holding little Laurie, her nickname was Boo.

mcilroga
09-02-2007, 07:27 PM
There was no Bill, Kris is just pointing out how fucking stupid that question was in the first place. :) haha

TheShape'78
09-02-2007, 07:27 PM
I can't believe I did it, but I actually walked out of a Halloween movie halfway through. I couldn't take it anymore. Rob Zombie sucks and so do all is trailer trash friends that are in all his movies including his wife. Rob zombie doesn't make horror movies, he makes stupid trash with fuck being every other word. Nothing he has made was scary. He didn't reinvent Halloween, he just showed exactly how his other cast members live their every day lives. Rob Zombie ruined the series. For the love of god, will John Carpenter say something please!

well since you walked out i won't listen to much of what you have to say, unless you thought it over and decided to give it a full viewing.

now....

let's calm down on insulting Rob and his wife, cos it is just a film and that is just rude. i don't think he ruined the series, cos really the series has been ruined for years and this isn't part of the old series anyway. why do you think John Carpenter would say anything, he was the one that pushed for more blood in H2. plus he doesn't even care about the franchise, he hasn't for some time, so who really cares about John Carpenter. much like critics, i don't really care what he has to say.

-mitch-

Khan
09-02-2007, 07:29 PM
In retrospect, Sheri surprised me with her ability to emote.

WhatIsItMan
09-02-2007, 07:31 PM
WTF did he change stuff??? The beginning had so much potential, but then he just messes up the movie... WTF??? No sir, I don't like it. When it comes out on DVD, I'm going to splice the beginning of the new RZ version with the REAL version, right when he is about to kill his sister, not 15 other people. I thought it was a good movie, but why you gotta mess with the real thing? I mean, Loomis is already dead, and Danielle Harris coudn't get hers??? Booo! Please don't make a part II, just make a part 9. Thanks.

ghettomyers
09-02-2007, 07:33 PM
WTF did he change stuff??? The beginning had so much potential, but then he just messes up the movie... WTF??? No sir, I don't like it. When it comes out on DVD, I'm going to splice the beginning of the new RZ version with the REAL version, right when he is about to kill his sister, not 15 other people. I thought it was a good movie, but why you gotta mess with the real thing? I mean, Loomis is already dead, and Danielle Harris coudn't get hers??? Booo! Please don't make a part II, just make a part 9. Thanks.

I GOT 2 WORDS FOR YAAAA!!!!! Go away.....

MischievousSpirit
09-02-2007, 07:35 PM
WTF did he change stuff??? The beginning had so much potential, but then he just messes up the movie... WTF??? No sir, I don't like it. When it comes out on DVD, I'm going to splice the beginning of the new RZ version with the REAL version, right when he is about to kill his sister, not 15 other people. I thought it was a good movie, but why you gotta mess with the real thing? I mean, Loomis is already dead, and Danielle Harris coudn't get hers??? Booo! Please don't make a part II, just make a part 9. Thanks.

I've got two more words for ya: NO H9! The old series is DEAD!

Ok. That's 7 words, but you get my point. No? :bastard:

Femanizer
09-02-2007, 07:36 PM
I've got two more words for ya: NO H9! The old series is DEAD!

Ok. That's 7 words, but you get my point. No? :bastard:

HEY JOE!!! What do ya know?

Khan
09-02-2007, 07:37 PM
WTF did he change stuff??? The beginning had so much potential, but then he just messes up the movie... WTF??? No sir, I don't like it. When it comes out on DVD, I'm going to splice the beginning of the new RZ version with the REAL version, right when he is about to kill his sister, not 15 other people. I thought it was a good movie, but why you gotta mess with the real thing? I mean, Loomis is already dead, and Danielle Harris coudn't get hers??? Booo! Please don't make a part II, just make a part 9. Thanks.

They had five years to do that, and they didn't.

Femanizer
09-02-2007, 07:37 PM
They had five years to do that, and they didn't.

See now THAT is bad pacing!!

ghettomyers
09-02-2007, 07:38 PM
AND I GOT SOME MORE MUTHA SUCKIN WORDS FOR YAAAA!!!!!! He didnt mess up the beginning cause we never wat the beginning was like in the original....NOW DATS WORDSS RIGHT THERE!!

TheShape'78
09-02-2007, 07:39 PM
Please don't make a part II, just make a part 9. Thanks.

you think a part 9, a sequel to resurrection (the worst halloween film to date), has more potential than a part II to the remake? :crazy: the old series is dead, so let it die.

-mitch-

mr_casper_sgv
09-02-2007, 07:44 PM
his mom has a nice ass! anyways I liked the movie alot, I didn't love it, maybe cuz i couldnt really pay attention to it since people kept talking but you have to remember Jc told rob dont try to duplicate it.

Todd 78
09-02-2007, 07:45 PM
The movie stunk.

Don't try and change my mind.

The movie was great. Don't try and chane my mind

Khan
09-02-2007, 07:47 PM
I won't try to.

I respect the fact that everybody has their own opinion.

mr_casper_sgv
09-02-2007, 07:47 PM
lil boo!! oh ok well I'm glad they showed her as a baby, that was really cute. Michael was fast in this movie, is that what you are all talking about pacing?

TheShape'78
09-02-2007, 07:49 PM
lil boo!! oh ok well I'm glad they showed her as a baby, that was really cute. Michael was fast in this movie, is that what you are all talking about pacing?

no, the pacing of the film itself. it was a bit rushed in the third act, trying to cover too much ground.

-mitch-

mr_casper_sgv
09-02-2007, 07:49 PM
calm down canadian bacon, its not a stupid question fool.


There was no Bill, Kris is just pointing out how fucking stupid that question was in the first place. :) haha

mr_casper_sgv
09-02-2007, 07:51 PM
I agree! the movie went fast after the young michael scene. It was over before it was over, I thought it was only me who thought this.



no, the pacing of the film itself. it was a bit rushed in the third act, trying to cover too much ground.

-mitch-

EvilOnTwoLegs
09-02-2007, 07:55 PM
I see when you're coming from, but I even try to stay away from calling him the Shape in the sequels, because, well he really hasn't been since the original.

I think the more apt term would be bogeyman. That seems to work for every Michael Myers, from H1 to H:R.
I can see that as a valid point. It just seems as if people are being more persistent in saying this Myers isn't "The Shape," for some reason...while still allowing for the sequel incarnations to be called "The Shape." Because, really, while I've always felt that the only real Shape was in H1, this is a point that doesn't seem to get brought up on the board, in regard to the sequels...but now, it's being stated repeatedly about the remake.

And I admit, I still refer to all incarnations of Myers as "The Shape" from time to time...it's an easy habit to get into. Like I said, it's become a sort of general shorthand for the Michael Myers character. Though I do agree...The Shape, in strict terms, made his only true appearance in H1.



"Bitch, I will crawl over there and skullfuck the shit out of you!"
Am I really the only person here who knows people who talk like this? hahaha

Well that's...sucky. To quote a really shitty line from a previous Halloween film. ;)



Thomas Hewitt Myers, based on the sanitarium massacre.

(Sorry, can't help myself)
Yeah, dude...that part where he pulled out the chainsaw...priceless. :nodsmile:



Yeah, you bring up this point often, but I'm not seeing this either. Of what characters are you speaking? There are no "Tina" characters, or "clown cops." In fact, all the characters are different and of wide variety. I like that aspect a lot.
You forgot...every single character in H:R.



Very Well Said. It seems that Rob Zombie does not even acknowledge what the "Shape" is/was.
Nor did any director other than John Carpenter...in one film.

But hey, we can go 'round in circles on this forever. Though I'm getting bored with it.



I bring it up often because most of the characters are poorly written. The only character we really get to know is Michael, the rest of the characters feel like they were just thrown in to give Michael reason to kill. You might not agree with me, but I felt the movie was lacking in character development outside of Michael, especially when it came to their dialogue. And because of that, it was easy to get disinterested.
Based on this, I still can't believe there was a time you ever liked (or, more aptly, didn't vehemently hate) H:R. haha



Every exchange between Deborah and Ronnie at the beginning. Perfectly summed up by, "Jesus, Ronnie, you fucking loud mouth!" Haha, Rob.
Yeah...I can't understand why her dialogue wasn't more Shakespearean. "O vile miscreant; thy tongue doth rend my very senses!"



Yeah, some people apparently live very sheltered existences if they were overly offended by the language here. It might have gotten a bit excessive at times, but not to any great extent.
I think more people need to work in 130-degree kitchens during the holiday rush. They'll get a fuckin' earful then...and believe me, my coworkers didn't have the best "dialogue," either. But then, I guess movie characters aren't supposed to talk as if they're real people.



Oddly, I've come across a lot of real life people I've felt the exact same way about. God sure is shitty at character development.
Man, ain't it the truth? And can't he write some better dialogue for these fuckers? Honestly. I thought he was supposed to be perfect.

demonknight666
09-02-2007, 07:58 PM
its not so much the third act as it was just the ending they fucked up on. it was horrible loomis dieing so stupidly no holes in myers back after he was shot the shit ending of her blowing his head off and screaming like she was in a texas chainsaw movie. and for the people saying they want a number 2 im pretty shure micheals dead.

The Dark Shape
09-02-2007, 07:59 PM
Yeah, dude...that part where he pulled out the chainsaw...priceless. :nodsmile:

You're right, that completely invalidates his entire look and attitude during that scene -- the fact he didn't pull out a chainsaw.

Well, I guess people can stop calling Halloween H20 a Scream rip-off. I don't recall any cell phones in it.

Zombie
09-02-2007, 08:00 PM
I can see that as a valid point. It just seems as if people are being more persistent in saying this Myers isn't "The Shape," for some reason...while still allowing for the sequel incarnations to be called "The Shape." Because, really, while I've always felt that the only real Shape was in H1, this is a point that doesn't seem to get brought up on the board, in regard to the sequels...but now, it's being stated repeatedly about the remake.

I like the term Bogeyman better, anyway. Though in my fan fic (http://www.ohmb.net/showthread.php?t=11604), I do use the term the Shape.



Based on this, I still can't believe there was a time you ever liked (or, more aptly, didn't vehemently hate) H:R. haha


I don't know, it probably was because I wanted to like it since it was a Halloween film. But people grow and our views on things change. Who knows, maybe in five years I'll like this version.

EvilOnTwoLegs
09-02-2007, 08:06 PM
You're right, that completely invalidates his entire look and attitude during that scene -- the fact he didn't pull out a chainsaw.

Well, I guess people can stop calling Halloween H20 a Scream rip-off. I don't recall any cell phones in it.
You mean the bathrobe and paper-mache look? And the attitude that he wants to kill people and escape from a mental institution? Or maybe it's the long hair, like Leatherface doesn't have. Or the fact that he's not mentally retarded or disfigured, like Leatherface is.

Honestly, what is it? Is it because he's tall? Jesus, Ed Kemper was a tall serial killer...I guess his parents must've conspired to conceive a Leatherface knock-off before Leatherface was even created.

Frazetta
09-02-2007, 08:09 PM
You're right, that completely invalidates his entire look and attitude during that scene -- the fact he didn't pull out a chainsaw.
Sorry bro but I still don't see it. During that scene Michael always looked aware of what was going on & seemed to have a clear idea of what he was about to do. Whereas Hewitt just kind of goes off more on instinct.

Superman
09-02-2007, 08:11 PM
The only time I thought of Leatherface was when he opened the sliding metel.....metal?....door in the old Myers house. Where the hell did that come from? I've seen sliding wooden pocket doors in homes, but never metal ones like there was in TCM.

The Dark Shape
09-02-2007, 08:11 PM
You mean the bathrobe and paper-mache look? And the attitude that he wants to kill people and escape from a mental institution? Or maybe it's the long hair, like Leatherface doesn't have. Or the fact that he's not mentally retarded or disfigured, like Leatherface is.

Honestly, what is it? Is it because he's tall? Jesus, Ed Kemper was a tall serial killer...I guess his parents must've conspired to conceive a Leatherface knock-off before Leatherface was even created.

Or the fact he's strong enough to rip his chains away. Or that he looks massive. Or that he's fast and incredibly aggressive. Or that he looks exactly like Andrew Byrniarski when he's dragging the female guard away.

But whatever. I see one thing, you see the other. It's a pretty common occurrence with the two of us.

Khan
09-02-2007, 08:13 PM
The only time I thought of Leatherface was when he opened the sliding metel.....metal?....door in the old Myers house. Where the hell did that come from? I've seen sliding wooden pocket doors in homes, but never metal ones like there was in TCM.

That kind of took me by surprise too.

mcilroga
09-02-2007, 08:14 PM
calm down canadian bacon, its not a stupid question fool.

Chow down that McDonalds, overweight American, it's a completely stupid question, dolt.

Laow-Z
09-02-2007, 08:16 PM
Or the fact he's strong enough to rip his chains away.

He didn't break his chains it was the straps holding the chains to his waist.

Pug-a-Licious
09-02-2007, 08:16 PM
Chow down that McDonalds, overweight American, it's a completely stupid question, dolt.

Wow, simma down na, simma down.

Be happy Canadian bacon is yummy...he thinks you are a delightful snack.

Femanizer
09-02-2007, 08:16 PM
Chow down that McDonalds, overweight American, it's a completely stupid question, dolt.

Wow...I had McDonald's today.

carruthers
09-02-2007, 08:17 PM
The defenses of the remake are increasingly precious. Here's the latest I have discovered:

- Halloween: Resurrection. As if the very existence of one turd makes the other turd less turd-esque.

- It's just a horror movie! It doesn't need to be smart!

- Look! Cameos from known horror stars! Look, guys! Look!

- Don't compare it to the original! This is not some remake!

- Laurie dropped the keys and so the original Halloween fails at life

What else you got?

BTW, thank God the Weinsteins' usual notorious impulse for intense control has apparently kicked in to do some good for a change. If they say there won't be another like it, there won't. I would love to see Neil Marshall (The Descent) or Takashi Shimizu (The Grudge) take over with the original continuity, just re-numbered and renovated. You would definitely not have to call it H9.

Oh, and don't be cute on Leatherface. Rob has been copying Hooper and TCM for his entire "career." His Michael Myers is of a very similar build and look to any number of Leatherfaces. Exact hair length, number of follicles, and texture of shit mask are not really the issue; the issue is the overall visual aesthetic, which was loud and clear: A hulking redneck fuck.

Pug-a-Licious
09-02-2007, 08:17 PM
Wow...I had McDonald's today.

That was just a stupid comment Samhain.

mcilroga
09-02-2007, 08:19 PM
Wow, simma down na, simma down.

Be happy Canadian bacon is yummy...he thinks you are a delightful snack.

I didn't have any idea how else to respond to that comment, so I thought I'd just do an old-fashioned mocking... I, of course, don't think all Americans are overweight. ;)


Wow...I had McDonald's today.

Did someone by the name of Bill serve you?

Pug-a-Licious
09-02-2007, 08:22 PM
I didn't have any idea how else to respond to that comment, so I thought I'd just do an old-fashioned mocking... I, of course, don't think all Americans are overweight. ;)


Sure, sure, I know how you Canadians are! ;) LOL


Now..back on topic... I loved the beating of the bully in the woods, that part really just made me go "WOW he's really messed up"

Worthystevens
09-02-2007, 08:22 PM
Oh, and don't be cute on Leatherface. Rob has been copying Hooper and TCM for his entire "career." His Michael Myers is of a very similar build and look to any number of Leatherfaces. Exact hair length, number of follicles, and texture of shit mask are not really the issue; the issue is the overall visual aesthetic, which was loud and clear: A hulking redneck fuck.


http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/6884/l634a5faef57d89c09c5706jy7.jpghttp://img47.imageshack.us/img47/2205/texaschainsawwr5.jpg

Leatherface that is not.

mcilroga
09-02-2007, 08:23 PM
Sure, sure, I know how you Canadians are! ;) LOL

Talk to me like that again and you won't get your own igloo when you visit me. :p

EvilOnTwoLegs
09-02-2007, 08:23 PM
I like the term Bogeyman better, anyway. Though in my fan fic (http://www.ohmb.net/showthread.php?t=11604), I do use the term the Shape.
Yeah, Remicis and I use "Shape" in our fan-fics, as well...even though our Myers is definitely the "unstoppable force" of the sequels. But we try to use him in sort of an H1 way, as much as we can. Really, it just helps to have something different to call him..."Michael Myers" in dialogue, "The Shape" in narrative...it helps to make things less monotonous.



I don't know, it probably was because I wanted to like it since it was a Halloween film. But people grow and our views on things change. Who knows, maybe in five years I'll like this version.
Yeah, I hear ya. It's just that of all the films in the series, I found H:R's to be the most blatantly paper-thin...every single one of them. It's like they didn't even try. I've actually tried to find something good about the movie...I just can't. I even hate the intro, which most people call the "good" part of the movie. From the word Go, the dialogue is insanely ludicrous and the characters are obviously just there for no other purpose than to die. And while I have known (and still do) people who talk like the characters in Zombie's film(s), I've never met anyone who spews out the kind of contrived nonsense that came out of those characters' mouths. This is probably why I don't mind Zombie's dialogue the way some others do...it might not strike others as being realistic, but they don't know some of the people I do. haha



Or the fact he's strong enough to rip his chains away. Or that he looks massive. Or that he's fast and incredibly aggressive. Or that he looks exactly like Andrew Byrniarski when he's dragging the female guard away.

But whatever. I see one thing, you see the other. It's a pretty common occurrence with the two of us.
Because Michael Myers has never exhibited extreme strength...only Leatherface. Myers had fast and aggressive moments in H1, as well. And he looks like a big guy in a bathrobe with long hair dragging a guard to me. So it's pretty much down to his size again.

And yes...it's pretty common.



The defenses of the remake are increasingly precious.
Yeah...haven't seen any "precious" nitpicks. Oh wait.

Some of my current favorites are the multiple complaints about Myers grunting and rushing his victims...even though he did both of these things in H1. Now that's fuckin' precious.

Khan
09-02-2007, 08:24 PM
Now..back on topic... I loved the beating of the bully in the woods, that part really just made me go "WOW he's really messed up"

I liked how he got revenge.

The Dark Shape
09-02-2007, 08:25 PM
Some of my current favorites are the multiple complaints about Myers grunting and rushing his victims...even though he did both of these things in H1. Now that's fuckin' precious.

Myers never once grunts in Halloween, EOTL.

Pug-a-Licious
09-02-2007, 08:25 PM
Talk to me like that again and you won't get your own igloo when you visit me. :p


Dang, you're mean!! You know I've been looking forward to that!!

Keep messing around and I won't bring you contraband Snickers bars!

Pug-a-Licious
09-02-2007, 08:26 PM
I liked how he got revenge.


I bet he wasn't thinking about Mike's mom rubbing her tits on anyones face when he was getting the hell knocked out of him.

The real Shape
09-02-2007, 08:27 PM
Haha, I agree Samhain. Nice one.

EvilOnTwoLegs
09-02-2007, 08:27 PM
Myers never once grunts in Halloween, EOTL.
Then the audio track on my DVD is damaged.

Frazetta
09-02-2007, 08:28 PM
I liked how he got revenge.
I particularly liked the part where he lifted the clown mask up & took the Rabbit in Red ad from the bully & then put the mask back on. The idea of masks being important to Michael was a very well done plotline.

Khan
09-02-2007, 08:29 PM
I bet he wasn't thinking about Mike's mom rubbing her tits on anyones face when he was getting the hell knocked out of him.

The actor who played the bully was very convincing.


I particularly liked the part where he lifted the clown mask up & took the Rabbit in Red ad from the bully & then put the mask back on. The idea of masks being important to Michael was a very well done plotline.

That was the stand out scene for me.

Laow-Z
09-02-2007, 08:30 PM
Myers never once grunts in Halloween, EOTL.

Ummm Yes he does when he's killing Annie:nodsmile:

carruthers
09-02-2007, 08:30 PM
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/6884/l634a5faef57d89c09c5706jy7.jpg

Leatherface that is not.

Yeah, that static image really clinches it for me after seeing the film in motion and watching the character's movements and affect. I don't know what I was thinking!

And now who's nitpicking? The Shape rarely ever grunted or rushed anyone in the original. He only did the latter when he absolutely had to in the last scene of the film, or to escape from Smith's Grove. The grunting was more along the lines of heavy breathing over the phone, and of course in the last struggle with Laurie. And it certainly did not become a constant thing in the series, now did it? He walked the halls in H2 slower and quieter than if he'd had hemmorhoids. And he never breathed again like he did in the original, though it was a perfectly valid choice.

The fact is I did not simply compare this film to the original, despite the fact that it is a remake of the original and needs to face that judgement along with all other aspects of critique. And I'll tell you why I didn't simply compare it. I simply get a thrill in the first few moments of any contemporary Halloween film, good or bad, when you see the credits first come up and hear the music, to know the series is continuing today - and then of course when the film is pure medical waste like H6, H8, H5 or the remake, you're let down. But you have those few moments when things could be good - I had those with the remake, at least in one version of the film (I've seen both). I gave it a shot. And it failed as a film, as an isolated film, for me, just like all his others. IMHO it had no tension, no characterization or characters, horrible cliched and cartoonish dialogue, and horrendous direction (especially for the poor actors, who all were asked to go totally OTT) and editing and production, and that's why I personally disliked it. But don't tell me I simply don't love Halloween or want the series to succeed, because in those first few moments with the music, I always do.

PositiveandFun
09-02-2007, 08:31 PM
He didn't break his chains it was the straps holding the chains to his waist.

Wow...I'm totally impressed you noticed that....:bow:

demonknight666
09-02-2007, 08:31 PM
myers grunts alot in halloween 1 especially when hes attacking laurie in the closet.

EvilOnTwoLegs
09-02-2007, 08:31 PM
Ummm Yes he does when he's killing Annie:nodsmile:
No...you have a faulty DVD. Probably from the same batch as mine.

Femanizer
09-02-2007, 08:33 PM
No...you have a faulty DVD. Probably from the same batch as mine.

Yeah I have three faulty DVDs with the same issue I've contacted Anchor Bay about it and they said they'll look into it.

MischievousSpirit
09-02-2007, 08:34 PM
WTF? The Shape was totally grunting and rushing people in H1. He rushed Annie in the back seat to choke her and stab her. He was grunting when he was trying to get Laurie in the closet.. I can go on and on. God you people need to watch the original Halloween again. RIGHT NOW!

TheShape'78
09-02-2007, 08:34 PM
wow, the nitpicking is getting bad. people are complaining that michael grunts! they must hate the original.

-mitch-

EvilOnTwoLegs
09-02-2007, 08:36 PM
WTF? The Shape was totally grunting and rushing people in H1. He rushed Annie in the back seat to choke her and stab her. He was grunting when he was trying to get Laurie in the closet.. I can go on and on. God you people need to watch the original Halloween again. RIGHT NOW!
Don't forget that beeline he made for Laurie right before the mask came off. Christ, he was practically (gasp!) running. :bigeyes:

Or, you know, maybe my DVD just speeds up there. Probably the same thing as the audio distortion that sounds like grunting.

D Adams
09-02-2007, 08:36 PM
I particularly liked the part where he lifted the clown mask up & took the Rabbit in Red ad from the bully & then put the mask back on. The idea of masks being important to Michael was a very well done plotline.

I agree .... his obsession with masks and covering his face was driven home.

One of the best additions by RZ was little/young Michael choosing to wear the infamous Shatner mask when he kills Judith, instead of the clown mask. It was so eerie seeing him as a child in the Shatner mask ..... I thought that segment was one of the best sequences in the entire movie.

PositiveandFun
09-02-2007, 08:37 PM
WTF? The Shape was totally grunting and rushing people in H1. He rushed Annie in the back seat to choke her and stab her. He was grunting when he was trying to get Laurie in the closet.. I can go on and on. God you people need to watch the original Halloween again. RIGHT NOW!

As I remember it....He grabbed Annie from behind and she struggled...honked the horn....and slid down the driver-side window when he stabbed her ...not in the back seat.

benluvin
09-02-2007, 08:37 PM
The original is a waste of life.

H8 is where it's at.

mcilroga
09-02-2007, 08:37 PM
Yeah I have three faulty DVDs with the same issue I've contacted Anchor Bay about it and they said they'll look into it.

Damn, what do you know, my four copies are all faulty too, pass the line to me when you're done, would you?

The Dark Shape
09-02-2007, 08:38 PM
Then the audio track on my DVD is damaged.

Apparently it is, because he never once grunts in mono, 2.0, or 5.1 on my system. He breathes heavily, but that's it.


Ummm Yes he does when he's killing Annie:nodsmile:

That's called heavy breathing. He never once grunts like Kane Hodder in Jason Goes to Hell, which Mane does a few times here.

carruthers
09-02-2007, 08:38 PM
So you're all going to tell me that for years a huge part of the mystique of this character is not his being the silent, quiet, methodical, walking Shape? I don't remember us jumping on every grunt in the original film (and none of the others to my recollection) to claim Michael wasn't silent in years past. I also don't remember anyone claiming his single rush for Laurie in the last scene of the film destroyed his image as 'a walker'.

This is what I'm talking about: Tearing apart the original to try and excuse the remake and pretend this crap will give the franchise a future. The Weinsteins have already said it won't. And though they are total assholes, when the Weinsteins don't get what they want babies get eaten. With ranch dressing.

TheShape'78
09-02-2007, 08:39 PM
The original is a waste of life.

H8 is where it's at.

this is going in my sig.

-mitch-

Worthystevens
09-02-2007, 08:42 PM
Yeah, that static image really clinches it for me after seeing the film in motion and watching the character's movements and affect. I don't know what I was thinking!

Because I just showed you his *exact* visual aesthetic from the movie that proves what you said about him being a hulking redneck wrong, I guess it doesn't matter since it's *only* a picture.


This is what I'm talking about: Tearing apart the original to try and excuse the remake and pretend this crap will give the franchise a future.

Who the hell's trying to tear apart the original? :bigeyes:

EvilOnTwoLegs
09-02-2007, 08:42 PM
So you're all going to tell me that for years a huge part of the mystique of this character is not his being the silent, quiet, methodical, walking Shape? I don't remember us jumping on every grunt in the original film (and none of the others to my recollection) to claim Michael wasn't silent in years past. I also don't remember anyone claiming his single rush for Laurie in the last scene of the film destroyed his image as 'a walker'.

This is what I'm talking about: Tearing apart the original to try and excuse the remake and pretend this crap will give the franchise a future. The Weinsteins have already said it won't. And though they are total assholes, when the Weinsteins don't get what they want babies get eaten. With ranch dressing.
No, he was silent in the sequels...didn't even have the heavy breathing from H1...he just wasn't silent in H1. Not talking and being silent are two different things. And he almost always walked slowly (sometimes ridiculously so) in the sequels...but not in H1. He lurked, he lingered...but he also rushed several victims.

And I'm not tearing apart the original...it's obviously the most finely-crafted film in the entire franchise. And that Michael Myers stands well apart from those in the sequels...which were nothing like the original Shape. Unfortunately, the slow-as-fuck, non-breathing, completely invulnerable sequel creation is the one people remember.

Nor do I want the franchise to have a future. I've stated on several occasions that I don't really want any more films...least of all a sequel to H:R. But I don't want a sequel to the new film, either.

But hey, twist it how you want, compadre. Make a goddamn pretzel of my words...nothing that hasn't been done before.

Towelman
09-02-2007, 08:42 PM
No...you have a faulty DVD. Probably from the same batch as mine.

Mine too apparently.:)

carruthers
09-02-2007, 08:44 PM
When you claim a few odd grunts and one rush in the entire original film make the Shape of the original compare remotely identically to the hulking, brutal juggernaut Shape of the remake, that's twisting words. That to me is seizing on anything you can to prove there are any vague similarities in the two characters beyond costume, name and family.

TheShape'78
09-02-2007, 08:44 PM
This is what I'm talking about: Tearing apart the original to try and excuse the remake and pretend this crap will give the franchise a future.

or maybe some are just trying to get others to realize they're being bias.

-mitch-

Superman
09-02-2007, 08:44 PM
I like pretzels.

EvilOnTwoLegs
09-02-2007, 08:46 PM
When you claim a few odd grunts and one rush in the entire original film make the Shape of the original compare remotely identically to the hulking, brutal juggernaut Shape of the remake, that's twisting words. That to me is seizing on anything you can to prove there are any vague similarities in the two characters beyond costume, name and family.
ONE rush? In the entire film?????

Jesus, just watch H1 again. You're embarrassing yourself.

mcilroga
09-02-2007, 08:46 PM
People view us as "bashing the original" because it's all coming down to fairness now Zombieween has been released, but these same people fail to realize that a lot of us had these "complaints" long before this film was released. I always hated some of the dialogue in the original Halloween, I faced the fact that Michael practically runs at people in the original (he trackstarred it down the stairs in the Wallace house), he grunts from time to time. And if anybody wants to complain about how "you can see his eyes" underneath the mask in the remake in the future, surprise surprise, his eyes were shown at various points in the original as well. But yeah... it's definitely okay to bash one movie for doing it and not the other.