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Thurisaz
08-21-2007, 10:53 AM
For a flashback click this -> http://www.ohmb.net/showthread.php?t=11999

The Dark Shape
08-21-2007, 10:55 AM
ReelSource has Halloween tracking at a $22 million weekend (I think 3-day). That's very good. It also has a score of 15 on the Yahoo Buzz Charts, which is excellent.

PG Soul
08-21-2007, 10:55 AM
OK, so the whole thing redeems itself via the Yahoo previews, which are pretty good.

I hope he shoves that Porno mag right down Big Joe Grizzley's neck, that dude is annoying.

PG Soul
08-21-2007, 10:56 AM
ReelSource has Halloween tracking at a $22 million weekend (I think 3-day). That's very good. It also has a score of 15 on the Yahoo Buzz Charts, which is excellent.

Like I said I think it will oust H20 in terms of box office receipts, this movie will buy Malek Akkad the Executive Suite in the Dubai Hilton.

Eric616
08-21-2007, 11:09 AM
Don't know that this has been posted but there's two new TV Spots on the Halloween website.http://halloween-themovie.com/

krustytheklown
08-21-2007, 11:15 AM
i take back what i said about that scene where michael was knocking on the door sounded cool. i just saw the clip. i thought he was knocking on someones front door, which sounded quite creepy. the scene didnt suck, but ill have to say it wasnt something that would make people want to see the movie either.

Man In Black
08-21-2007, 11:18 AM
Dig the two new TV spots. Nice to see a little prequel action in the "Destination" one for once.

krustytheklown
08-21-2007, 11:18 AM
Like I said I think it will oust H20 in terms of box office receipts, this movie will buy Malek Akkad the Executive Suite in the Dubai Hilton.

it has gotten tons of buzz, and the tv spots are working. if my 13 year old daughter, who has no interest in halloween wants to go based on a commercial, thats a good thing. no way in hell am i taking her, but it does gauge to me the level of interest in this movie. it will make akkad and the wienstiens money, no way around that, but whether or not its a bonafide hit(70 million) will depend entirely on word of mouth.

Padams
08-21-2007, 11:23 AM
Thanks for pointing out the new spots on the website. They're pretty nifty. One question .. is anyone getting updates mailed to them? I registered the first day and have not received any updates from RZ's site. Jesus hates me. I knew it.

Hallow's Eve
08-21-2007, 11:23 AM
I saw the newest preview on TV. It shows a lot more than the original trailer.
I could see that they re-did some of the scenes that were in the original film.
It looks killer though. I like when they show Micheal in the mental hospital with that orange pumpkin mask draggin someone's body down the hall. I'm very excited to see it!

Man In Black
08-21-2007, 11:24 AM
Thanks for pointing out the new spots on the website. They're pretty nifty. One question .. is anyone getting updates mailed to them? I registered the first day and have not received any updates from RZ's site. Jesus hates me. I knew it.


Nope, never had any updates. It seems like whenever I sign up to a movie/music website to get mailed updates it never seems to happen.

MichaelMyers04
08-21-2007, 11:33 AM
Well, atleast I'm not the only one who never got any updates either :p

GGMyers
08-21-2007, 11:41 AM
awwwwwwwwwwwwww i felt so sorry for michael then in that new tv spot when his sis wouldnt take him trick or treating!
that shot of him sat outside alone then looking at ppl having fun behind him put a lump in my throat!
......omg...........im feeling sorry for michael myers........thats a new 1!
LOL

viperswat
08-21-2007, 12:11 PM
Haha, wonder if people are gonna cheer when Michael butchers his family.

GGMyers
08-21-2007, 12:14 PM
Haha, wonder if people are gonna cheer when Michael butchers his family.

lol well judging by some pics of michaels attack on judith i'll probs resume to making a chocolate fudge brownie in pants :-D

Villain612
08-21-2007, 12:14 PM
edit*

The Yahoo clips looked pretty good.
I liked the interviews.

Reobeem
08-21-2007, 12:21 PM
I will, they deserve it for what they put him trough

Shady
08-21-2007, 12:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=shadyjam

all the tvspots from the official website and also the behind the mask are being uploaded to that account.
all of them will be available to watch in a while (a few of them is already up).
and also the behind the mask feature from yahoo is going to be there too!

Joker
08-21-2007, 12:35 PM
All very exciting.

Khan
08-21-2007, 12:36 PM
ReelSource has Halloween tracking at a $22 million weekend (I think 3-day). That's very good. It also has a score of 15 on the Yahoo Buzz Charts, which is excellent.

That sounds more reasonable.

ColadaSplash
08-21-2007, 12:38 PM
it has gotten tons of buzz, and the tv spots are working. if my 13 year old daughter, who has no interest in halloween wants to go based on a commercial, thats a good thing. no way in hell am i taking her, but it does gauge to me the level of interest in this movie. it will make akkad and the wienstiens money, no way around that, but whether or not its a bonafide hit(70 million) will depend entirely on word of mouth.

Word of mouth really has nothing to do with how well this movie does -- unless we're talking about very good word of mouth. The type that leads to legs and carries it over the 100 million mark domestically. I doubt very much that will happen here. It's not the kind of movie which redefines the horror genre.

Opening weekend pretty much establishes what horror films of this type will make -- and most of them have terrible legs.

Freddy vs. Jason and TCM totals were pretty much established by opening weekend, not by their legs (in some ways which can be equated to word of mouth) which were terrible.

This is a rough approximation, but if this film were to make in the early $30 millions opening weekend, it would likely end up making $80 million overall -- or close to it.

Khan
08-21-2007, 12:48 PM
The Dawn remake was #1 opening weekend, but fell to #2 after that.

Man In Black
08-21-2007, 12:58 PM
Two more Tv spots on the site - "CREATION" and "DESTINY" to go along with the recently added "EVENT" & "DESTINATION" but they sort of seem like re-edited versions we've already seen.

The Dark Shape
08-21-2007, 01:49 PM
I'm curious to see what the film's legs are. It's going to have a huge second weekend drop regardless of word-of-mouth, but after that should be fun. The Saw films have pulled in consistent 2.5x multipliers, which is great for a horror film. A $22m weekend with a 2.5 multiplier would give Halloween a $55m domestic total.

hall0weendream
08-21-2007, 01:52 PM
Anyone else notice they changed the teaser line from "Behind these eyes one finds only darkness." to "Behind these eyes one finds only blackness." I prefer "darkness" to "blackness." It's weird how this is the only thing I've noticed that bothers me.

Anyways, all the tv spots are awesome. I'm surprised there is so many spots and then on top of that we get a teaser trailer and a full trailer. Wow. I'm stoked.

Sirand
08-21-2007, 02:47 PM
Five clips are up on Dread Central! (http://www.dreadcentral.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2913)

dbzguy
08-21-2007, 02:51 PM
The only horror movies that I can think of in recent memory that generated any kind of buzz where people were talking about them and recommending to see them were the Blair Witch Project, The first Saw and possibly Dawn of the Dead....

ColadaSplash
08-21-2007, 02:55 PM
"Open the Door"

That's the clip they should have shown to a mainsteam audience on USA last night.

Perfect clip for a mainstream audience and one that would generate attention. The rest are too drab and out of context -- even though they might fit better in context with the film.

ColadaSplash
08-21-2007, 03:01 PM
The only horror movies that I can think of in recent memory that generated any kind of buzz where people were talking about them and recommending to see them were the Blair Witch Project, The first Saw and possibly Dawn of the Dead....

"The Grudge" crossing $100 million domestically still stupefies me to this day. Talk about a total fluke.

Monte
08-21-2007, 03:04 PM
USA aired the bathroom clip because it was during a WWE show, so obviously they're going to go with one that has Michael looking his pro-wrestler best.

The ads on BET are probably cut to make Ken Foree look like the star of the movie.

ColadaSplash
08-21-2007, 03:10 PM
USA aired the bathroom clip because it was during a WWE show, so obviously they're going to go with one that has Michael looking his pro-wrestler best.

Actually, you do have a point.

I hope someone downloads that clip (Open the door) to Stage6, VEOH, or Youtube soon. That's the clip I'll be using the promote the film on myspace.

I figure I'll just take the best one, and pretend that's the only one. I just want to win my boxoffice bets. :bastard:

ColadaSplash
08-21-2007, 03:17 PM
Hey, did anyone else laugh at the car scene? Was I suppose to be laughing here when Loomis is yelling "Jesus Christ"? I mean is that the intention?

Terrible delivery of lines, but I think I can get used to them in a campy sort of way.

One thing's for sure: this will likely be one of the film parodies in Scary Movie 5.

Severed Hand
08-21-2007, 03:24 PM
Five clips are up on Dread Central! (http://www.dreadcentral.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2913)


The last 2 clips were very impressive! Now before anyone comes down on me like an axe on a piece of wood, I have to be honest.

Laurie running across the street to the House to get to Tommy and Lindsey, played out much quicker, and realistic than the original, and that made it better for me. I'm NOT saying anything bad to that which is sacred, but shit, I liked that alot. The screaming......the reactions of both children......Michael being there at the door SO quickly.......fricken awesome. Sure, "original Michael" walking slower and more methodical is very cool, but so is this!

The second clip in the car was great as well. I love how Loomis comes after Michael, and how he stops and turns holding Laurie.......again......very REALISTIC, It makes me feel like I'm right there as a bystander, rather than watching a movie.

EvilOnTwoLegs
08-21-2007, 04:53 PM
"The Grudge" crossing $100 million domestically still stupefies me to this day. Talk about a total fluke.
God, that movie was awful.

Khan
08-21-2007, 04:59 PM
It proves that good box office doesn't equal quality.

Monte
08-21-2007, 05:03 PM
God, that movie was awful.

But for some really bizarre reason, it took The Grudge 2 for people to realize that.

DeanCorso
08-21-2007, 05:09 PM
It proves that good box office doesn't equal quality.

no Kidding!...theres a couples of movies we could name that had good or great box office numbers and arent quality movie "Armaggeddon", "Independence Day" just to name a few and while others much better quality movies like for example "Wes Craven's New Nightmare" and "Dark City" didnt do much at the box office (hard to understand sometimes),

ColadaSplash
08-21-2007, 05:10 PM
Laurie running across the street to the House to get to Tommy and Lindsey, played out much quicker, and realistic than the original, and that made it better for me. I'm NOT saying anything bad to that which is sacred, but shit, I liked that alot. The screaming......the reactions of both children......Michael being there at the door SO quickly.......fricken awesome. Sure, "original Michael" walking slower and more methodical is very cool, but so is this!


This looks like it was edited down. There are extra shots of this scene in the trailers. However, Bitterman (a supposed reviewer) claims that's all there is to that scene in the film.

The breakout scene is edited down for violence. That was mentioned at Bloody Disgusting.

I think I know what people mean now about how things seem more fast paced -- like a speed course in Halloween.

ColadaSplash
08-21-2007, 05:13 PM
no Kidding!...theres a couples of movies we could name that had good or great box office numbers and arent quality movie like "Armaggeddon", "Independence Day" just to name a few and while others much better quality movies like for example "Wes Craven's New Nightmare" and "Dark City" didnt do much at the box office (hard to understand sometimes),

Wes Craven's New Nightmare had a lot to do with poor advertising. Many people didn't even know it was a Freddy film. I remember people being shocked when I told them there was a new Elm Street film at the time. They claimed to have heard nothing about it.

Also, many fans just didn't want to give up Freddy as we knew him.

The film did extremely well on VHS after people discovered that the film was an Elm Street film. It made close to $60 million in rentals -- which is excellent.

Todd
08-21-2007, 05:30 PM
Anyone else notice they changed the teaser line from "Behind these eyes one finds only darkness." to "Behind these eyes one finds only blackness." I prefer "darkness" to "blackness." It's weird how this is the only thing I've noticed that bothers me.

Yeah, I noticed that, too.
It's not a big deal, but I agree that "darkness" sounded better than "blackness".

shoe1985
08-21-2007, 05:36 PM
I might be the only one, but these new clips make the movie look very direct to dvd release. The mask scene was poorly done. I don't think Loomis should be talking when Michael gets the mask. I noticed he was at a conference when he was talking, so I hope it was just an added element to the clip.

The orange mask looks kinda lame after a while. He is in his 20's and they let him wear this mask everywhere? The more I am seeing of this movie, the more it makes me wonder about it.

I did like the smashing the window scene though. When Malcolm says, "Jesus Christ," this sounded like something a normal person would say in the situation. It seemed a little rushed though, like everything I have seen in these clips.

I hope it plays better as whole because the short clips are rushed. I don't believe they are edited down now.

Monte
08-21-2007, 05:44 PM
Is the shit going to hit the fan even before the day's first screening?

DeanCorso
08-21-2007, 05:50 PM
Wes Craven's New Nightmare had a lot to do with poor advertising. Many people didn't even know it was a Freddy film. I remember people being shocked when I told them there was a new Elm Street film at the time. They claimed to have heard nothing about it.

Also, many fans just didn't want to give up Freddy as we knew him.

The film did extremely well on VHS after people discovered that the film was an Elm Street film. It made close to $60 million in rentals -- which is excellent.

i wouldnt say it was poor advertising....i think they ment to advertise the movie like they did, look at the trailer and TV spots (one of them mention Wes previous movies like "A nightmare on elm street", "the people under stairs", "last house on the left") the trailer and TV spots we never see or hear them mention Freddy they just gave you some hints, i think they didnt want advertise it has just another Elm Street sequel or a Freddy Krueger Movie, in previous sequels Freddy was the main focus the star but with New Nightmare it was about Heather and her son.

IMO they did great advertising But from the box office result i guess they would do it differently today.

Eric616
08-21-2007, 05:52 PM
Yeah, I noticed that, too.
It's not a big deal, but I agree that "darkness" sounded better than "blackness".
I think he says Blackness at a different time that he says "Behind these eyes one finds only darkness, these are the eyes of a psychopath" and says Blackness during before something else.

shoe1985
08-21-2007, 05:57 PM
Is the shit going to hit the fan even before the day's first screening?

Yes, we got clips now, so everyone is going to overanalyze them all.

Monte
08-21-2007, 06:05 PM
Well, at worst this movie will be as bad as Halloween 6 (I will not dignify the silly fanboy detail of specifying which version), and I quite enjoy that cinematic gonzo train wreak. So I'm expecting nothing more than something which will retain my interest.

Severed Hand
08-21-2007, 06:06 PM
Direct to DVD.................Campy...................ridicu lous dialogue..............wow.



Sometimes I feel as if I've been taking crazy pills. There is so much of that crap going on in all the sequels, yet.....that was ok? This isn't nearly as bad, from what I've seen so far, which is alot.

The Dark Shape
08-21-2007, 06:09 PM
The dialogue is awful. Worse than the worst sequel.

EvilOnTwoLegs
08-21-2007, 06:09 PM
But for some really bizarre reason, it took The Grudge 2 for people to realize that.
Most people, maybe. It took me about 15 minutes, sitting in the theater, watching the first one. You know you're in trouble when it's that early in the movie, and you're turning to the person next to you, saying "Is it just me, or does this really fucking suck?"

The Dark Shape
08-21-2007, 06:11 PM
I never understood why The Grudge caught on. I saw it at a radio screening a few days before it opened and it was laughed off the screen. Bunches of people went to see it because they thought it was The Ring 2; that I know. But I've never been able to understand its legs.

Severed Hand
08-21-2007, 06:12 PM
The dialogue is awful. Worse than the worst sequel.


I couldn't disagree more.


"Worse than the worst sequel" is awful dialogue. JK. lol.

EvilOnTwoLegs
08-21-2007, 06:12 PM
The dialogue is awful. Worse than the worst sequel.
***relives the harrowing H:R dialogue***

Nope...not buyin' that...sorry.

Even the first five minutes of H:R had worse dialogue...and there was hardly any there to begin with.

The Dark Shape
08-21-2007, 06:13 PM
***relives the harrowing H:R dialogue***

Nope...not buyin' that...sorry.

Even the first five minutes of H:R had worse dialogue...and there was hardly any there to begin with.

The dialogue in H:R was bad. The acting in H:R was bad. But Zombie has always written like a wannabe Tarantino and it's never worked. Ever. And I can't believe that Ronnie/Deborah "floppy titties" conversation got past the first draft. Any 13-year-old that's written a screenplay can tell you that's god-awful.

Severed Hand
08-21-2007, 06:16 PM
The dialogue in H:R was bad. The acting in H:R was bad. But Zombie has always written like a wannabe Tarantino and it's never worked. Ever. And I can't believe that Ronnie/Deborah "floppy titties" conversation got past the first draft. Any 13-year-old that's written a screenplay can tell you that's god-awful.



I myself have seen titties that could only be described as "floppy", so again.......I'd have to disagree.

The Dark Shape
08-21-2007, 06:18 PM
And I've seen second rate nurses say shit without emotion, but that doesn't excuse Halloween: Resurrection. Real world conversations go on for long periods of time. Movie conversations do not and have to be controlled. Ronnie and Deborah arguing about what woman he's going to fuck, with all the class of a trailer trash teen, does not make for good dialogue. Sorry.

Monte
08-21-2007, 06:20 PM
I'd much rather have Zombie's wonky weirdness than the completely hollow vapitidy of Resurrection. As I stated before, if this movie is bad, it will at least be bad in ways that are interesting.

The Dark Shape
08-21-2007, 06:21 PM
Halloween: Resurrection was interesting. I could never have guessed what a Friday the 13th flick would be like if it was set in Haddonfield.

samhain51
08-21-2007, 06:22 PM
Wow No matter what you guys will bash this movie . I hope it does really well so it shuts everyone the FUCK up!!!!

myers5fan
08-21-2007, 06:22 PM
Well I guess I am in for some classic stuff when I go see this film, but from what I have seen of it so far-I am not surprised. This film will be in the same league as Resurrection.

Khan
08-21-2007, 06:23 PM
Wow No matter what you guys will bash this movie . I hope it does really well so it shuts everyone the FUCK up!!!!

Can't stand the heat?

Get out of the kitchen.

samhain51
08-21-2007, 06:25 PM
well I got Nothing but love for you Myers walk but I hear whwer you are coming from!!!

shoe1985
08-21-2007, 06:26 PM
Most people, maybe. It took me about 15 minutes, sitting in the theater, watching the first one. You know you're in trouble when it's that early in the movie, and you're turning to the person next to you, saying "Is it just me, or does this really fucking suck?"

I said a similar thing when watching The Grudge 2 in theaters. I couldn't believe how terrible the movie was, and nothing drew my attention from it.


Wow No matter what you guys will bash this movie . I hope it does really well so it shuts everyone the FUCK up!!!!

It is only opinions, if you don't like it, Shut The Fuck Up!!!!

I am really just kidding. Really, we are all going to voice our opinions about what we have seen or read. I hope it does well. The clips don't show me anything that makes me want to see it now, which is a first for a Halloween movie. The acting seems pretty poor, but the clips are so brief that it is hard to tell. Maybe as a whole the movie works?

Severed Hand
08-21-2007, 06:27 PM
And I've seen second rate nurses say shit without emotion, but that doesn't excuse Halloween: Resurrection. Real world conversations go on for long periods of time. Movie conversations do not and have to be controlled. Ronnie and Deborah arguing about what woman he's going to fuck, with all the class of a trailer trash teen, does not make for good dialogue. Sorry.



But, this is obviously a family that is considered....."lower class" etc, and I hate to say it, I know some people like that, and that's pretty much how they converse. Do I like it? Of course not. But you have to understand something, Zombie is trying to go 180 degrees from what the original did as far as that part, so in that sense........mission accomplished. I do not believe this is what he wrote because he couldn't think of anything better, he did it to show what they are like. I do however see your point, and do agree.....it's a little trashy, but that's the direction he wanted, and we will either have to deal with it, or move on. I just don't feel as a whole, that we can criticize an entire movie because of some of the dialogue. That's a few lines, and other's I've heard do not fall under awful, maybe just too realistic for you.

Monte
08-21-2007, 06:28 PM
Halloween: Resurrection was interesting. I could never have guessed what a Friday the 13th flick would be like if it was set in Haddonfield.

We knew what that would be, as Halloween 5 already existed by then. There were many opportunities for Resurrection to go off the deep end, but the filmmakers of course wanted to look "respectful." The result was not just a bad movie, but a bad movie that was dull as fucking dirt. Zombie, it looks like, has at least made something that will actually be worth talking about.

mcilroga
08-21-2007, 06:29 PM
1. That clip was awful.

2. The Grudge and its sequel were utter shit.

3. I finally got my plans worked out for August 31st.

samhain51
08-21-2007, 06:30 PM
I said a similar thing when watching The Grudge 2 in theaters. I couldn't believe how terrible the movie was, and nothing drew my attention from it.



It is only opinions, if you don't like it, Shut The Fuck Up!!!!

I am really just kidding. Really, we are all going to voice our opinions about what we have seen or read. I hope it does well. The clips don't show me anything that makes me want to see it now, which is a first for a Halloween movie. The acting seems pretty poor, but the clips are so brief that it is hard to tell. Maybe as a whole the movie works?

Thats ok I see where you are coming from!!! I am a Halloween Fan and I want this to do very well and hopfully this one will scare me like the old Halloweens used to!!

shoe1985
08-21-2007, 06:30 PM
And I've seen second rate nurses say shit without emotion, but that doesn't excuse Halloween: Resurrection. Real world conversations go on for long periods of time. Movie conversations do not and have to be controlled. Ronnie and Deborah arguing about what woman he's going to fuck, with all the class of a trailer trash teen, does not make for good dialogue. Sorry.

I have seen some rich women like the Judith character is being portrayed. In fact, there are probably more rich teens like Judith than say women that live in trailers. Times have really changed a lot. I have seen a lot of rich people act like Ronnie and Deborah from the scripts. The dad is usually fucking the daughter, she wants something so why not get it from daddy? I would say it is more of trash than saying trailer trash.

myers5fan
08-21-2007, 06:31 PM
H5 could have been a lot better than it was. But it was better than Resurrection. It is one that I did like. But I do agree with Shoe's analysis when it comes to rich trash vs. trailer trash. Trash is trash.

samhain51
08-21-2007, 06:32 PM
Hey shoe I didnt see your sig That sums it up well!

shoe1985
08-21-2007, 06:33 PM
Thats ok I see where you are coming from!!! I am a Halloween Fan and I want this to do very well and hopefully this one will scare me like the old Halloweens used to!!

We are all Halloween fans here, otherwise, why are we here? We all have wanted the past movies to do well also, but some have let us down. When we see something positive and it turns into crap, H:R, we start to look at each new movie closer. It is just the fanboy/girl in all of us.

I don't think anyone really wants to see this movie turn out bad. We just have a lot of reservations about certain things.

samhain51
08-21-2007, 06:35 PM
I see your reservations but this movie actually looks like it will scare me!!

shoe1985
08-21-2007, 06:35 PM
Hey shoe I didnt see your sig That sums it up well!

Meeting Mr. Farrands really changed how I felt about H6. If you ever get to meet the man, you have no clue how Dimension and company screw over people. Yet, they always ask him back to write another sequel, or come up with ideas. He did give a treatment for H7, but it wasn't used.


I see your reservations but this movie actually looks like it will scare me!!

I think we are all happy for you. I do think it has a nice mood to it, but I still have many reservations. I believe someone should have come in to polish the final draft, or rather shooting script that was changed.

samhain51
08-21-2007, 06:38 PM
I would have likes to meet him my self after seeing what he went through ! Hes been through the ringer and they still want ideas from him . Im am just looking at it from a fans perspective and giving my feedback!

Khan
08-21-2007, 06:39 PM
I must admit, the bit where Foree goes on about a unloading a huge turd is not exactly the best.

samhain51
08-21-2007, 06:40 PM
Michaels feet are a little bit nasty also!!!

Khan
08-21-2007, 06:40 PM
Must be due to his incarceration at Smiths Grove.

samhain51
08-21-2007, 06:41 PM
Or not showering for 15 years

Monte
08-21-2007, 06:43 PM
Or having to walk everywhere since he doesn't drive this time.

shoe1985
08-21-2007, 06:44 PM
Or having to walk everywhere since he doesn't drive this time.

That is probably the best answer.

Todd 78
08-21-2007, 06:46 PM
It looks pretty damn good to me with the exception of the turd scene. None the less it is nice to have the Halloween music in the Hallowen films( I'm talkin to you H20)I think The Michael/Judith stuff looks pretty intense. I dug the Laurie boogey man chase ala Halloween.

Dialogue wasn't exactly Halloween's strongest point either totally.

This film I already rank above Halloween 3, 7, 8. If it could be in the upper tier of sequels(2 & 4) I'd be happy

mcilroga
08-21-2007, 06:50 PM
It looks prettdamn godtimewithexception of the turd scene. None theles. It isniceto have the Haloween music in the Halowen films( I'm talkin to you H20)

Usually I can follow pretty well, but this time you've outdone me.

Todd 78
08-21-2007, 07:01 PM
Usually I can follow pretty well, but this time you've outdone me.

Yikes that was bad

Todd
08-21-2007, 07:18 PM
I think he says Blackness at a different time that he says "Behind these eyes one finds only darkness, these are the eyes of a psychopath" and says Blackness during before something else.
I don't think so. Watch the clips on Dread Central.

MichaelMyers04
08-21-2007, 07:18 PM
I'm not watching any of the clips on Dread Central, because I don't like watching scenes out of context. That's why I think people are being so hard on the clip that was aired. People were expecting an intense scene, but what they got was something totally different. If I had seen that scene for the first time, while watching the movie, I wouldn't have had a problem with it. As far as I can see, there's nothing in that scene that would ruin my anticipation for this movie. There are a lot of worse moments in the HalloweeN series.......just remember that :D

EvilOnTwoLegs
08-21-2007, 07:20 PM
This film will be in the same league as Resurrection.
Maybe I'm crazy, but I just can't imagine it being that godfuckingawful.

Hell, even if it's a piece of shit, it'll be a piece of shit with Malcolm McDowell, Brad Dourif and Udo Kier in it. Which is automatically better than a piece of shit with Busta Rhymes and Tyra Banks in it.



Can't stand the heat?

Get out of the kitchen.
Fuck...when did they turn this place into a kitchen? No one told me about these renovations, dammit! I spent seven years in a kitchen and I'm never goin' back, see!

Okay...why I turned into Edward G. Robinson toward the end there, I have no idea.



I said a similar thing when watching The Grudge 2 in theaters. I couldn't believe how terrible the movie was, and nothing drew my attention from it.
Man, you saw the second one in the theater? After the trainwreck that was the first one?! I don't know whether to be impressed, sympathetic, or nauseous at the very thought of it.



We all have wanted the past movies to do well also, but some have let us down.
Well, I held out little hope for H:R...then once I saw it, I wanted it to fail miserably so they could just take the series out behind the barn and shoot it. But I might be in the minority there, I don't know.

Worthystevens
08-21-2007, 07:20 PM
I must say I really enjoyed the 'Mask' and 'Open the Door' clips.

Laurie's chase with the original - albeit updated - music. Rob and Tyler both get my hat tipped off to them. A great scene from what I saw. Although, I slightly LOL'd at Lindsay's face when she screamed.

I felt Loomis' voiceover with Michael finding his mask and knife blended together very nicely, as well as with the theme that we all know and love. I thought that was well done, and gave off the vibe that Michael is truly dangerous.

But a couple of negatives I had about some of the clips:

I was pretty underwhelmed by the 'I do believe so' line in the 'Boogeyman' clip. It seemed like Zombie was trying too hard to distance the line from the original while trying to keep it intact. And in the same clip, I don't know how to put this, but after Mike grabbed Laurie out of the car and Loomis was trying to stop him - with Michael stopping and turning around - he got a little too close to Mike for my liking.

The editing, in all the clips. It seemed too rushed, but that's probably just because the scenes may be longer in the movie.

Todd
08-21-2007, 07:26 PM
After watching all of the trailers and clips, I think we have a pretty good idea of what the feel of the movie will be. Then again, sometimes little snippets of a movie can be misleading. My anticipation for the movie is growing by the day, though. On August 31, I'll be like a kid in a candy store.

shoe1985
08-21-2007, 07:33 PM
Man, you saw the second one in the theater? After the trainwreck that was the first one?! I don't know whether to be impressed, sympathetic, or nauseous at the very thought of it.

I thought the first one was ok. My friends wanted to see it, so we went and saw it. I can't even remember anything from the movie it was way too terrible.


Well, I held out little hope for H:R...then once I saw it, I wanted it to fail miserably so they could just take the series out behind the barn and shoot it. But I might be in the minority there, I don't know.

The previews gave me hope. The trailers were done so well, and the finished product was just garbage. If it wasn't a Halloween movie I might like it better. Being part of the series, it doesn't work. I always felt the biggest problem with sequels is that sooner or later they, the producers, will feel the need to try and explain something that was never meant to be explained. It began in H5 and just kept going downhill.

When you start giving reasons why Michael kills, it takes away that mystery that it could be anybody. Michael could be your neighbor, an old boyfriend/girlfriend, a family member, or a stranger. He could be anywhere. That is what made him scary to me.

Rob is doing his best to say Michael's childhood had nothing to do with the murders he later commits, but that is how people are going to see it. In reality, he could have some major problems in the head, and his surroundings do nothing to help matters causing him to just snap in a sense.

That could be the problem though, we, the fans, try to over think, and give reasons for everything. We can't enjoy the movie for what it is, entertainment. We expect it to be the best movie ever.

scoob
08-21-2007, 07:34 PM
I'll have to watch this by any means possible, but I will still go and see it at the theatre/cinema in October. If the oppotunity is there, I just wont be able to resist.

I like the majority of the clips, it's what I've been expecting in terms of dialouge but it looks and sounds great.

Monte
08-21-2007, 07:36 PM
I have a feeling that many of the people saying this will be as bad as Resurrection are the same people who objected to the very concept of a remake in the first place, and think the film being bad is "proof" that Halloween 9 should have been made instead.

Just a theory, a shot in the dark. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Chaosboy
08-21-2007, 07:40 PM
I think you've got something there

scoob
08-21-2007, 07:41 PM
I think people are just being honest. The dialouge by McDowell in the Boogeyman clip was not really effective and Joe Grizzly, well. I dont know who the hell he is but I now know he reads porno mags in the loo and drops his load.

Monte
08-21-2007, 07:45 PM
I dont know who the hell he is but I now know he reads porno mags in the loo and drops his load.

And yet already he's a better character than anyone in Halloween 8.

scoob
08-21-2007, 07:47 PM
Shame they couldnt hire Busta Rhymes for that one scene. Would have been a fitting tribute to H8.

Todd
08-21-2007, 07:49 PM
Rob is doing his best to say Michael's childhood had nothing to do with the murders he later commits, but that is how people are going to see it. In reality, he could have some major problems in the head, and his surroundings do nothing to help matters causing him to just snap in a sense.
How do you know that the movie won't make it clear that Michael was already disturbed and the abuse only served as a catalyst that causes his murderous tendancies to be unleashed?

I have a feeling that many of the people saying this will be as bad as Resurrection are the same people who objected to the very concept of a remake in the first place, and think the film being bad is "proof" that Halloween 9 should have been made instead.

Just a theory, a shot in the dark. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
It's not possible to correct the truth.

Monte
08-21-2007, 07:50 PM
Shame they couldnt hire Busta Rhymes for that one scene. Would have been a fitting tribute to H8.

Damn it, man. I'm trying to make a case for this thing being better than Resurrection. Don't even contemplate such scenarios.

samhain51
08-21-2007, 07:50 PM
Shame they couldnt hire Busta Rhymes for that one scene. Would have been a fitting tribute to H8.

I think you hit the nail on the head there!!!

EvilOnTwoLegs
08-21-2007, 08:05 PM
I thought the first one was ok. My friends wanted to see it, so we went and saw it. I can't even remember anything from the movie it was way too terrible.
See the first one did nothing for me. I felt nothing whatsoever for the characters who were being knocked off or threatened...except maybe spite. I didn't like them...at all. So naturally, when the Japanese ghost started whacking all the annoying white people, it didn't really have the desired effect on me. To me, it just seemed like the ghost was cleaning up the mess that rest of the movie had spawned.

Seriously, I know I was supposed to feel sorry when the poor American woman was relating her story about how she got lost and couldn't communicate with anyone because she didn't speak Japanese...but really, all I could think was "Well, maybe you should have learned some before you fucking moved there, and God I hate you, and why don't you just die now?" So yeah...I don't think I was really the target audience for that particular film. haha



The previews gave me hope. The trailers were done so well, and the finished product was just garbage. If it wasn't a Halloween movie I might like it better. Being part of the series, it doesn't work.
Even if it wasn't a Halloween movie, I wouldn't have liked it. But if it wasn't a Halloween movie, I wouldn't have bothered to watch it. To me, the trailers and TV spots seemed to indicate a bad movie...the only reason I went was because it was Halloween, and I'm a fan, and all the crap that's associated with that. haha You kind of have to go, to see for yourself, even if it looks awful...and H:R did look awful to me.

I have a pretty good sense about those things...when I see a trailer, I can usually tell whether I'm going to like the movie, or hate it, or whatever. I've gotten suckered a few times (those trailers where they take the only good parts of the movie and squeeze them into two minutes, leaving out the 90 minutes that suck)...but it's rare. H:R was not one of those times. I had the feeling it was going to suck...I just hoped I would be proved wrong. Sadly, I wasn't.



When you start giving reasons why Michael kills, it takes away that mystery that it could be anybody. Michael could be your neighbor, an old boyfriend/girlfriend, a family member, or a stranger. He could be anywhere. That is what made him scary to me.

Rob is doing his best to say Michael's childhood had nothing to do with the murders he later commits, but that is how people are going to see it. In reality, he could have some major problems in the head, and his surroundings do nothing to help matters causing him to just snap in a sense.

That could be the problem though, we, the fans, try to over think, and give reasons for everything. We can't enjoy the movie for what it is, entertainment. We expect it to be the best movie ever.
I thought Thorn was okay, for what it was, though the way it was handled was dogshit. I liked the idea of adding to the mythos, rather than simply retreading...but they cocked it up so badly in the end. Still, I'll take Thorn over the great "revelation" in H:R...Michael Myers kills because he's really pissed off. haha I mean, if you're gonna add concrete motivation into the mix, give it a bit more thought and nuance than that.

From what I've seen, in regard to this film, it seems that Myers is obviously...evil, deranged, whatever...from the outset, and that his snapping may be a "Sooner Rather Than Later" situation. But he definitely seems as if he was destined to kill. Hence the tagline, I suppose. Obviously, some people are going to read a lot into the home life and everything, and they can see it however they want. Zombie definitely walked a fine line here, and it will likely turn some people off. But I don't think I'm going to walk away from this movie thinking "That's why he started killing people." As you say, some will...it's just in how you look at it. But I feel the same way about the original, as well. It just didn't have as many variables.

ColadaSplash
08-21-2007, 08:13 PM
Monte,

I do think that if a "9" (or whatever wacky subtitle) was attached to the end of this film, more horror fans (yet less mainstream) would be anticipating it.

If there was a "9," it would be compared to Halloween: Resurrection because that was the last film. Hence, reviews would surely be more on the upside claiming it was better than its predescessor.

However, being a remake (and having to be compared to the original) really hits it hard.

scoob
08-21-2007, 08:17 PM
I just have to laugh at Bill Mosely in the background : Christ, can this guy walk any slower?
Way he says it just makes me laugh for some reason.

But I think Rob was planning on revealing every reason why Michael does what he does. I think that intention will probably be the new generations version of Myers, and if the film is a success then great, all power to him.

For me, JC's Myers will always be "The Man" but thats just me. I will go in to watch this like Im watching a spin off. Its nothing to do with the series, it's a film that I will just watch and hopefully enjoy.

Edit: Im bound to compare it, but my intention is to see it as something that stands by itself.

EvilOnTwoLegs
08-21-2007, 08:23 PM
Monte,

I do think that if a "9" (or whatever wacky subtitle) was attached to the end of this film, more horror fans (yet less mainstream) would be anticipating it.

If there was a "9," it would be compared to Halloween: Resurrection because that was the last film. Hence, reviews would surely be more on the upside claiming it was better than its predescessor.

However, being a remake (and having to be compared to the original) really hits it hard.
I'm still going to be comparing it to the latter installments. Because remake or not, this is what the Halloween franchise is delivering today...whereas yesterday, it was giving us crap like H:R. To me, it's all about "Is the series getting better or worse, compared to the films we've been getting over the past fifteen years or so?" Obviously, people will compare it to the original, but that's a pretty moot point.

Comparing it to the latter sequels makes sense because it tells us whether we're going up or down, in terms of quality. Whether they're rebooting or not, the franchise is a continuous entity...and while the remake is starting from scratch, it's still following on the heels of H:R. And if it can't do better than that, it's time to call it what it is, and shut the fucker down. And if it's a step up, good...it's about time.

It's like with Batman...everyone wants to compare Begins to Batman '89. Which makes no sense. I say the fans should compare it to Batman & Robin...then fall down on their knees and thank God for Chris Nolan. haha But that's me. Now, obviously, I don't expect Zombie's Halloween to be as good as Batman Begins...but you see the comparison. New start, but the same franchise. The Batman franchise got way better...and while I don't expect that steep an ascent from H:R to Zombie's Halloween, I'm definitely hoping it'll be a step up. And if it is, I'll be glad that the franchise accomplished at least that much.



I just have to laugh at Bill Mosely in the background : Christ, can this guy walk any slower?
I think Bill must be watching H2 on a portable TV. haha

Frazetta
08-21-2007, 08:23 PM
How do you know that the movie won't make it clear that Michael was already disturbed and the abuse only served as a catalyst that causes his murderous tendancies to be unleashed? I think everyone naturally has a breaking point & when you throw in an unhealthy home life & for all intents & purposes in Michael's case being an unstable individual when he hits that point it's bad news for everyone. I think you could easily see Michael raised in a normal childhood & still end up the same 'Pure Evil' killer that we know. Infact that happened in Carpenter's movie lol.

Todd
08-21-2007, 08:27 PM
I thought Thorn was okay, for what it was, though the way it was handled was dogshit. I liked the idea of adding to the mythos, rather than simply retreading...but they cocked it up so badly in the end. Still, I'll take Thorn over the great "revelation" in H:R...Michael Myers kills because he's really pissed off. haha I mean, if you're gonna add concrete motivation into the mix, give it a bit more thought and nuance than that.

From what I've seen, in regard to this film, it seems that Myers is obviously...evil, deranged, whatever...from the outset, and that his snapping may be a "Sooner Rather Than Later" situation. But he definitely seems as if he was destined to kill. Hence the tagline, I suppose. Obviously, some people are going to read a lot into the home life and everything, and they can see it however they want. Zombie definitely walked a fine line here, and it will likely turn some people off. But I don't think I'm going to walk away from this movie thinking "That's why he started killing people." As you say, some will...it's just in how you look at it. But I feel the same way about the original, as well. It just didn't have as many variables.
I agree about the concept of Thorn. The idea that there was something otherwordly driving Michael and that it was somehow connected to Halloween itself wasn't a bad thing at all. In fact, it had been hinted out at as early as the original (When Loomis said that Michael had waited for some "secret, silent alarm to trigger him off"). The thing about the first Halloween is that people just assume Michael had been "normal" until he killed Judith. We don't know that at all, though. We weren't shown anything about his childhood.
Maybe his big sis was a big bitch and perhaps he was being bullied around at school before he picked up the butcher knife.
I don't think the Thorn explanation was any worse than the idea of Michael just being whacko. Either explanation is just that, an explanation. If we assume that Michael was crazy from the start, I suppose people could ask why, but it might not be a question with a good answer. Why am I left handed? Fuck if I know. I didn't get to decide that, and if I had been given the choice, I wouldn't have opted to be a leftie. The best psychiatrists, psychologists, and sociologists in the world can't come up with a clear explanation for abnormal behavior, so we shouldn't expect Rob Z to be able to, either.

I think everyone naturally has a breaking point & when you throw in an unhealthy home life & for all intents & purposes in Michael's case being an unstable individual when he hits that point it's bad news for everyone. I think you could easily see Michael raised in a normal childhood & still end up the same 'Pure Evil' killer that we know. Infact that happened in Carpenter's movie lol.
Did it, though?
Like I said when I quoted EOTL, we don't know anything about Michaels childhood in JC's version of Halloween. Everyone seems to latch onto the idea of him having been a happy go lucky kid before whacking Judith, but we don't really know that.

scoob
08-21-2007, 08:35 PM
I agree with you. Some things are just best left to the imagination. A lot of how Halloween worked or a lot of films work is that it is left to you to decide what or how this happened/occured.

It's just something that has probably kept Michael Myers kicking. As soon as you reveal somekind of explanation, the interest goes away. Its resolved, done and dusted so theres no need for any more.

Halloween or Michael Myers, is like a ghost story. Its scary because its unexplainable. It makes you think up things why this and that happened.

I might be going over the top here, but its like telling a kid that Santa Claus dosnt really exist.

EvilOnTwoLegs
08-21-2007, 08:37 PM
I agree about the concept of Thorn. The idea that there was something otherwordly driving Michael and that it was somehow connected to Halloween itself wasn't a bad thing at all. In fact, it had been hinted out at as early as the original (When Loomis said that Michael had waited for some "secret, silent alarm to trigger him off"). The thing about the first Halloween is that people just assume Michael had been "normal" until he killed Judith. We don't know that at all, though. We weren't shown anything about his childhood.
Maybe his big sis was a big bitch and perhaps he was being bullied around at school before he picked up the butcher knife.
I don't think the Thorn explanation was any worse than the idea of Michael just being whacko. Either explanation is just that, an explanation. If we assume that Michael was crazy from the start, I suppose people could ask why, but it might not be a question with a good answer. Why am I left handed? Fuck if I know. I didn't get to decide that, and if I had been given the choice, I wouldn't have opted to be a leftie. The best psychiatrists, psychologists, and sociologists in the world can't come up with a clear explanation for abnormal behavior, so we shouldn't expect Rob Z to be able to, either.
Yeah...and if you go back to the H1 novelization (obviously not canon, but still worth looking at), the idea of an ancient curse is presented there, flat out. I think at the point when it became absolutely clear that Myers was supernatural (which I maintain was in H2), anything was fair game. I think that stripped the mystery out of the character in one fell swoop. So okay, they did that, the fans live with it...let them go wild. At that point, why not delve deeper into the supernatural elements? Obviously, they could have done a much better job of it...but I never understood people's complaints about H6 destroying the Myers mystique. H2 did that. I'm over it. To me, H6's problem wasn't that it was explaining too much about Myers...it was that there was a good idea in there, but it was buried under too much bullshit.

I like Michael Myers to be a mystery as much as the next guy. That's why I think H1 has, hands-down, the best incarnation of Myers. But after that, there's no mystery. The sequels threw the mystery out from the word Go. So now, we're at a point where we shouldn't even expect Myers to be that much of a mystery. He hasn't been since H2...and we're well past that at this point.

Frazetta
08-21-2007, 08:40 PM
In the event tv spot I absolutely love when McDowell says " Michael, I've failed you.."

The Dark Shape
08-21-2007, 08:45 PM
In the event tv spot I absolutely love when McDowell says " Michael, I've failed you.."

Funny thing: this might be one of Dimension's little TV spot tricks (don't we love them?). That line is from the original ending, and I'm not so sure it's in the reshot one.

Frazetta
08-21-2007, 08:45 PM
I like Michael Myers to be a mystery as much as the next guy. That's why I think H1 has, hands-down, the best incarnation of Myers. But after that, there's no mystery. The sequels threw the mystery out from the word Go. So now, we're at a point where we shouldn't even expect Myers to be that much of a mystery. He hasn't been since H2...and we're well past that at this point. This is why I'm glad Zombie went with a different idea for Michael rather than trying to simply redo what Carpenter already did to near perfection. Nobody is going to make that Michael anybetter that JC already did so giving us something different, while still keeping Michael's motives a mystery, is the best route to take.

Frazetta
08-21-2007, 08:45 PM
Funny thing: this might be one of Dimension's little TV spot tricks (don't we love them?). That line is from the original ending, and I'm not so sure it's in the reshot one.Those dirty Bastards!

temp19
08-21-2007, 08:47 PM
In the event tv spot I absolutely love when McDowell says " Michael, I've failed you.."
That always reminds me of Obi Wan and Anakin in Star Wars Episode 3 when they were having their light saber fight on the vocanic planet.

scoob
08-21-2007, 08:50 PM
This is why I'm glad Zombie went with a different idea for Michael rather than trying to simply redo what Carpenter already did to near perfection. Nobody is going to make that Michael anybetter that JC already did so giving us something different, while still keeping Michael's motives a mystery, is the best route to take.

I completly agree with you. There would be nothing worse then seeing something like The Omen remake or Psycho where everything is copied step by step.

I am pleased that this new one is going in a somewhat different direction, my only small problem is that is that it was handed to Rob Zombie. I like the guy, I like his music, I can appreciate his films. I personally, dont think he was the guy to do it but I hope I am wrong. His whole style of things just didnt suit a Halloween film, which I guess is why they hired him.
I can see that too.

I dont want to be a c-u-n-t but I do like what I ve seen and have supported him in this in fits and bursts. Other times I have completly hated it. It's been weird. Just reading about this damn thing makes me feel like ive been making it.

Worthystevens
08-21-2007, 08:58 PM
Rob fits. Busta Rhymes doesn't. ;)

scoob
08-21-2007, 09:28 PM
Would have preffered Alexandra Aja myself.
Maybe for Halloween 2?

I for one would not want to go through this nightmare again so if they kill this series off Im happy with that.

ColadaSplash
08-21-2007, 09:43 PM
Would have preffered Alexandra Aja myself.
Maybe for Halloween 2?

I for one would not want to go through this nightmare again so if they kill this series off Im happy with that.

Aja or Zombie,

either way a rape scene was going to be shot. :bastard:

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I also find remakes like "The Omen" and "Psycho" even more dreadfully pointless than most remakes.

Franchise
08-21-2007, 09:47 PM
I also find remakes like "The Omen" and "Psycho" even more dreadfully pointless than most remakes.

Perhaps its because of the damn near shot for shot nature of the movie. I like my remakes to add something to the mythos rather than giving me a carbon copy of the movie. It's almost as if they forgot to tell the director that it's his movie and he should do something with it that he thinks would be good.

EvilOnTwoLegs
08-21-2007, 09:49 PM
Man..."Adding to the mythos" getting tossed around a lot in here tonight. haha

Franchise
08-21-2007, 09:51 PM
lol I read one message and now I'm just adding? All right. I see how it goes. I don't even read the whole pages. I think I skipped from page 3 right to the post before mine. Now I'm plagiarizing. Sweet ass! :D

MichaelMyers04
08-21-2007, 09:54 PM
Funny thing: this might be one of Dimension's little TV spot tricks (don't we love them?). That line is from the original ending, and I'm not so sure it's in the reshot one.

Damn, I hope that's not true. It's one of the best lines I've heard from the New Dr. Loomis. I can even imagine Donald Pleasence saying that line in the original series.

mr32
08-21-2007, 09:57 PM
Finally we are getting down to the wire 8 more days people.

EvilOnTwoLegs
08-21-2007, 10:00 PM
lol I read one message and now I'm just adding? All right. I see how it goes. I don't even read the whole pages. I think I skipped from page 3 right to the post before mine. Now I'm plagiarizing. Sweet ass! :D
haha Slow down, Poncherello...I never implied plagiarism. Warped minds think alike, is all.

Franchise
08-21-2007, 10:02 PM
You know what I'm waiting on? A CHiPS movie. Now that would suck, but I'd see the dumb thing. Perhaps Estrada could do a cameo like Starsky and Hutch did. I want to be Ponch.

Padams
08-21-2007, 10:04 PM
I wonder if Lester will be in this one. I hope so. I love that pooch.

EvilOnTwoLegs
08-21-2007, 10:07 PM
You know what I'm waiting on? A CHiPS movie. Now that would suck, but I'd see the dumb thing. Perhaps Estrada could do a cameo like Starsky and Hutch did. I want to be Ponch.
hahaha

You're right...it would suck. And you'd definitely see the dumb thing. Hell, why wouldn't you?



I wonder if Lester will be in this one. I hope so. I love that pooch.
Well, Myers does need to get his dog-strangling fix...no doubt about it.

PG Soul
08-21-2007, 10:09 PM
I wonder if Lester will be in this one. I hope so. I love that pooch.

Mark L Lester should direct the sequel.

Padams
08-21-2007, 10:12 PM
This time, I want Lester to be a chiuaua with a head the size of a meteorite and the bark of Roseanne Barr.

Wow, Michael wouldn't stand a chance.

Lucifer
08-21-2007, 10:58 PM
CHiPs was rubbish!! poor acting the whole lot

scoob
08-21-2007, 11:09 PM
Lesters throat should be split in half.

Deckard
08-21-2007, 11:16 PM
I have to say I think the clips look awesome so far, but I've never been a fan of watching clips before a movie comes out...everything is out of context with the whole narrative, and most of the time it be-little's the scene as seen on screen...I turned off the last clip "Boogeyman" because it was goign on for far too long, ruining what I sure will be an awesome scene...

GGMyers
08-21-2007, 11:24 PM
just a quick question for people who have seen the film - the clip where michael is chasing laurie back to the doyles house on dead central - is that really as long as it is? :-(
i was hopin it would be longer lol, but it still kicked ass :-D

terror
08-21-2007, 11:29 PM
"The Grudge" crossing $100 million domestically still stupefies me to this day. Talk about a total fluke.

I hated that damn movie, along with the Ring

Deckard
08-21-2007, 11:35 PM
Agh...I liked the Grudge...AND liked Grudge 2 even more- don't throw stones!

scoob
08-21-2007, 11:46 PM
The Grudge was alright compared to whatever horror movie is out at the moment.
What exactly looks good right now? O back then for that matter?

I enjoyed it. Its the same as this in a way. Pointless remake.

Deckard
08-21-2007, 11:48 PM
GRUDGE 1 and 2 were both 10X better than CAPTIVITY or SKINWALKERS...and back when GRUDGE came out...SAW was better, but both were successful. So I dunno...

terror
08-21-2007, 11:48 PM
I'm still trying to figure out why everyone is raving on and on about a bathroom scene like that is the movie. Thats all I have seen for the past 10 pages at least of this discussion. It almost seems like most of you want this movie to suck.

terror
08-21-2007, 11:51 PM
GRUDGE 1 and 2 were both 10X better than CAPTIVITY or SKINWALKERS...and back when GRUDGE came out...SAW was better, but both were successful. So I dunno...

SAW... I loved that movie when it came out, then I lost respect for it seeing the 2 others that followed it. I can't exactly point out anything besides the entire storyline for a reason that I didn't like The Grudge. Besides that I was laughed my ass off when that freak zombie asian girl made that super long burping sound at people.

scoob
08-21-2007, 11:51 PM
I dont have a clue.
Maybe the 5 clips though. They are no conclusive but they give a lot to Zombies direction.
IO dont liek that cut flash shit.
That was done in Halloween 8 and was probly the most annoying film i have ever sat thorugh.
I sot mind the odd cut slash from cam view, but if its like that all the way, Im not for that.

Deckard
08-21-2007, 11:54 PM
SAW... I loved that movie when it came out, then I lost respect for it seeing the 2 others that followed it. I can't exactly point out anything besides the entire storyline for a reason that I didn't like The Grudge. Besides that I was laughed my ass off when that freak zombie asian girl made that super long burping sound at people.

Super long burping sound...lol...that made my night.

I've never heard it referred to as that, but I no longer find it semi-creepy...thank you.

Deckard
08-21-2007, 11:56 PM
I dont have a clue.
Maybe the 5 clips though. They are no conclusive but they give a lot to Zombies direction.
IO dont liek that cut flash shit.
That was done in Halloween 8 and was probly the most annoying film i have ever sat thorugh.
I sot mind the odd cut slash from cam view, but if its like that all the way, Im not for that.


The gritty, hand-held camera technique was used in DEVIL'S REJECTS and worked very well...I think it adds an immeadiacy to it...it feels more in the moment, and therefore more jarring.

scoob
08-21-2007, 11:59 PM
Yeah, good pont.
Therwes no poiunt going mad on this thing because of some crappy clips.

terror
08-22-2007, 12:08 AM
Super long burping sound...lol...that made my night.

I've never heard it referred to as that, but I no longer find it semi-creepy...thank you.

I don't know... I'll give it credit for its originality, because the sound that girl makes is far from anything I would have ever imagined a ghost making. But the creepy factor of it all, I give a big fat ZERO. Like I said, I literally laughed out loud in the theater.

scoob
08-22-2007, 12:14 AM
The gritty, hand-held camera technique was used in DEVIL'S REJECTS and worked very well...I think it adds an immeadiacy to it...it feels more in the moment, and therefore more jarring.

Was this done a lot? The shaking cam? The fade to black and white?
Its very annoying to me. I didnt like it in H8 - probably the worst film in the series. Why would you even try and dulicate something like that?

This film looks like a joke.

The Good Doctor
08-22-2007, 12:55 AM
If the trailers are any indication (call me crazy but they just might be), this film is not actually dark and gritty; it is simply "dark and gritty" with modern camera's. Still looks glossy to me, especially in comparison.....oops, shame on me; this is a “totally different film” which of course justifies any and all convolution. As much as I loath the very premise of this film’s existence (remaking Halloween of all things), I cannot wait for it to come out so we can get on with this debate. :nodsmile:

I wonder if I am the only one cynical enough to dread this project, yet not quite cynical enough to consider message boards pointless. If so I’m really gonna get pounced on but fuck it: bring on the 31’st.

dbzguy
08-22-2007, 01:14 AM
First off lets get one thing straight: Shaky Cam sucks and makes movies unwatchable and I hope one day directors will wize up and quit using that stupid ass fad of a technique.


The other thing is: What alot of people here fail to mention is the simple fact that JC has made other excellent movies besides Halloween ... while on the other hand Zombies movies were IMO not very good.....

ColadaSplash
08-22-2007, 01:31 AM
First off lets get one thing straight: Shaky Cam sucks and makes movies unwatchable and I hope one day directors will wize up and quit using that stupid ass fad of a technique.


The other thing is: What alot of people here fail to mention is the simple fact that JC has made other excellent movies besides Halloween ... while on the other hand Zombies movies were IMO not very good.....

That's opinion, not fact. But, you stated that, so thank you.

John Carpenter's been pretty under the radar for the last 20 years. The man's golden era is long past, and barely anyone under 25 even knows who he is anymore. It's pretty sad, but just the way it is. He's also made his share of stinkers just like Wes Craven.

Things change... People move on... Back when we were going through the golden era of slashers, I'm sure plenty of Hammer horror fans were complaining just like we are right now. Ditto with the era before that when "The Blob" and other cheese was replaced with Hammer horror, and so on... and so on... Look at Bill O'Reilly: He complains about chainsaw killers to this day -- and the man is a classic horror fan.

Basically, every young era thinks their horror movies are the best. However, I do probably feel the worst for the current generation. They are basically living and breathing through our films -- just reditions that are more poorly made than they were the first time. A "Prom Night" remake for example.

terror
08-22-2007, 02:37 AM
Basically, every young era thinks their horror movies are the best. However, I do probably feel the worst for the current generation.

Well I'm 19 years old, and I for one have hated 99% of the horror movies that have came out in my time. I remember when I was real little I used to absolutely LOVE the old horror films like The Blob, Wolfman, The Mummy, etc. But those never really scared me, I just thought they were really cool.

The first ever horror film I remember scaring the living shit out of me was Halloween. My friend's older brother made me watch it with them when I was like 10 or somewhere around that age. Then I remember watching some Friday the 13ths and they had the same effect on me. I was always thinking that Michael or Jason could pop out at any time from the dark rooms or closets in my house.

Now it is rare that I even jump at a horror film that has came out in the 90's or more recently. Maybe its because things were a whole lot scarier when I was younger than they are now. But I have always thought that the horror films from the 70's and 80's were the best.

Myers Insurance
08-22-2007, 03:43 AM
For any Danielle fans, I found a movie she was in with Katherine Heigl from Grey's Anatomy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ-N72gkuBY

Man In Black
08-22-2007, 04:01 AM
BTS clip of Michael pulling Laurie out of the car:
http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/bdtv/Player.php?id=1047

zombie commando
08-22-2007, 04:03 AM
I love that Zombie kept the head tilt intact.

terror
08-22-2007, 04:27 AM
I love that Zombie kept the head tilt intact.

Nothing can beat the head tilt after stabbing Bob to the wall :rock:

Villain612
08-22-2007, 04:32 AM
Its odd for me to comment on the overall quality of a movie I haven't seen yet, but I can honestly say, with no reservations, that there's absolutely no fucking way this will be as bad as Resurrection.

Saying something is in the "Resurrection" category is the lowest diss available in the Halloween mythos, and just from the sorted talent in the film (McDowell, Douriff) and the clips we've seen, there's no way its on that low of a level.

Resurrection was one big gimmick film that had nothing original to say, and no good characters or actors to care about (save for five seconds of Jamie Lee).

Busta Rhymes? Gimmick
Dangertainment? Gimmick
Webcam broadcast? Gimmick

It might as well have been Michael takes Manhattan.

I'm sorry, but just from all indications of what we've seen so far, there's no way this film is on that level.

krustytheklown
08-22-2007, 05:32 AM
First off lets get one thing straight: Shaky Cam sucks and makes movies unwatchable and I hope one day directors will wize up and quit using that stupid ass fad of a technique.


The other thing is: What alot of people here fail to mention is the simple fact that JC has made other excellent movies besides Halloween ... while on the other hand Zombies movies were IMO not very good.....

shaky cam worked great in saving private ryan, but hey, speilberg is the master. i also enjoyed it in transformers. it really gave a documentary feel to giant freakin robots attacking each other black hawk down it also worked well. i DO NOT like it in movies like halloween. its lazy filmmaking. didnt care for it in batman begins, although it was still a great movie. done right, it can really draw you in. but with horror movies its saying to me"hey, we cant build any suspense here so lets just jerk the camera around" i hope RZ used it sparingly in the new halloween. 9 days to find out.

zombie commando
08-22-2007, 05:33 AM
Nothing can beat the head tilt after stabbing Bob to the wall :rock:

It's trademark. I'm also psyched to see how Myers escapes from the asylum. It seems like from the clip I saw the security is very aware about how dangerous this guy is. It's not just Loomis warning everyone and being ignored. Makes me believe, or assume at least, that Myers pulled some crazy crap while being locked up.

shoe1985
08-22-2007, 06:50 AM
How do you know that the movie won't make it clear that Michael was already disturbed and the abuse only served as a catalyst that causes his murderous tendancies to be unleashed?

It's not possible to correct the truth.

That is what I said. Some actors are, by accident, saying Michael's surroundings are what caused it. Rob is coming out saying this is not true. So, my understanding is that Michael was a disturbed child, and if caught early on, could have been stopped, but everyone around him didn't seem to care to notice.

krustytheklown
08-22-2007, 07:51 AM
im a little annoyed that RZ would embrace the one aspect of new filmaking that i dislike, the shaky cam, and yet have little to do with others, like digital filmaking and "enhanced FX" dont get me wrong, blatant cgi has no place in a halloween movie, but filmakers like robert zememkis seem to have it right.they ask, what would hitchcock do with modern filmmaking technology? he answered that with "what lies beneath" like what if RZ really liked a certain shot in pasadena but there were palm trees present? well, you can just remove the damn palm trees now with digital filmaking. and what if hes thinking, "what a great shot, but i wish the sunset was creepier and another pumpkin on that porch would be nice" well, digitally change it. it improves the shot but doesnt distract with silly fx shots.anyway,just a thought

MichaelJrdnMyrs
08-22-2007, 08:01 AM
When I'm a director, I'm just gonna shake the shit out of the camera throughout the entire movie. Even the quiet dialogue scenes. And credits.

BEWARE OF MY EDGE!

WhiteZombie
08-22-2007, 08:34 AM
Shakey camera can work at times, but too much of it gets annoying. Like in 28 Weeks later, that was just a bit too much.

nwiser
08-22-2007, 08:50 AM
I was over on the Stern Fan Network and after Rob calling in to Howards show they started a thread on the new movie:https://www.SternFanNetwork.com/forum/showthread.php=3fs=3dadcd2cc9905cf22d5d435911966b9 bf1&threadid=3d285734

As has been predicted on here, half the people there seem to be in favor of it and the other half are against it...though some of the ones that are against it seem to be really angry.

For topically relevant comic relief, I've excerpted a post that I thought some of you might get a good laugh out of ...




I actually saw the 1st cut. It really sucks. They had to do a shit load of reshoots. I dug the Devils Rejects, but this is just lame.

the 1st hour of the film is the young kid and you see his homelife.. His dad is a drunk, mom is a stripper and sister is a slut. he goes bonkers, kills the dad and sister and her boyfriend.

He gets locked up, has all these talky scenes with malcom Mcdowell.

He grows up to be this huge asshole who likes to make masks, escapes and kills a couple girls. the one cool thing is that Danielle harris who was Jaimie in the 4th and 5th one plays one of the victims in this and she is topless for the whole flick.


The first sentence of the last para made me laugh out loud. I was like "WTF?!?!". :crazy:

Khan
08-22-2007, 09:02 AM
Shakey camera can work at times, but too much of it gets annoying. Like in 28 Weeks later, that was just a bit too much.

My wife is motion sensitive, so she got nauseous from The Blair Witch Project.

Mr_MaNIac
08-22-2007, 09:11 AM
Alot of shaky cam shit is going on in movies. Paul Greengrass was a documentary maker before he went to hollywood so I can understand his means by capturing things hand held.

I really don't care how RZ uses the camera in this movie as long as the story telling is good.

Khan
08-22-2007, 09:11 AM
Maybe they will give out vomit bags like they did for Mark Of The Devil.

The Dark Shape
08-22-2007, 09:16 AM
Shaky cam doesn't bother me as long as I can tell what's going on.

WhiteZombie
08-22-2007, 09:19 AM
Me neither. But when it gets to the point where its just a blurr of movement and noise, it gets annoying.

EvilOnTwoLegs
08-22-2007, 09:20 AM
First off lets get one thing straight: Shaky Cam sucks and makes movies unwatchable and I hope one day directors will wize up and quit using that stupid ass fad of a technique.
Interesting...especially since The Bourne Ultimatum is the best movie I've seen so far this year. :p

And Halloween doesn't seem to have nearly as much "Shaky Cam" as The Bourne Ultimatum (or Supremecy) did. Good films are good films...shit is shit. Moving the camera or keeping it still does not, in itself, dictate these terms.



The other thing is: What alot of people here fail to mention is the simple fact that JC has made other excellent movies besides Halloween ... while on the other hand Zombies movies were IMO not very good.....
Zombie's made two movies so far...before Halloween, that is. Prior to making Halloween, John Carpenter had made two movies. I don't think Zombie's first movie was that great, but his second was a massive improvement. Carpenter's first movie wasn't very good, either but his second was much better.

Anything beyond that is irrelevant, because then we're talking about movies Carpenter made after Halloween. And for my money, maybe only a half dozen of his post-Halloween films are any good, anyway...if that.

It's not that we've failed to mention this...it's just that we talked it to death about a year ago.



The first sentence of the last para made me laugh out loud. I was like "WTF?!?!". :crazy:
hahaha

Okay...I'm actually gonna quote the first part of that sentence outside of spoiler tags, so that people who don't want to view spoilers (it isn't one) can enjoy it, as well. In reference to Myers:

"He grows up to be this huge asshole...." :D

Todd
08-22-2007, 09:27 AM
Yeah...and if you go back to the H1 novelization (obviously not canon, but still worth looking at), the idea of an ancient curse is presented there, flat out. I think at the point when it became absolutely clear that Myers was supernatural (which I maintain was in H2), anything was fair game. I think that stripped the mystery out of the character in one fell swoop. So okay, they did that, the fans live with it...let them go wild. At that point, why not delve deeper into the supernatural elements? Obviously, they could have done a much better job of it...but I never understood people's complaints about H6 destroying the Myers mystique. H2 did that. I'm over it. To me, H6's problem wasn't that it was explaining too much about Myers...it was that there was a good idea in there, but it was buried under too much bullshit.
A good idea buried under bullshit.
That's the perfect way to describe the Thorn storyline, or at least how it was handled in H6. It was just too elaborate. They could have confirmed that Michael was indeed under the influence of some curse without getting so carried away. This new version of Halloween seems to be taking on the nature versus nurture (or lack thereof) argument, which is fine with me as long as they don't try to draw any definitive conclusions.

krustytheklown
08-22-2007, 09:33 AM
Interesting...especially since The Bourne Ultimatum is the best movie I've seen so far this year. :p

And Halloween doesn't seem to have nearly as much "Shaky Cam" as The Bourne Ultimatum (or Supremecy) did. Good films are good films...shit is shit. Moving the camera or keeping it still does not, in itself, dictate these terms.



Zombie's made two movies so far...before Halloween, that is. Prior to making Halloween, John Carpenter had made two movies. I don't think Zombie's first movie was that great, but his second was a massive improvement. Carpenter's first movie wasn't very good, either but his second was much better.

Anything beyond that is irrelevant, because then we're talking about movies Carpenter made after Halloween. And for my money, maybe only a half dozen of his post-Halloween films are any good, anyway...if that.

It's not that we've failed to mention this...it's just that we talked it to death about a year ago.



hahaha

Okay...I'm actually gonna quote the first part of that sentence outside of spoiler tags, so that people who don't want to view spoilers (it isn't one) can enjoy it, as well. In reference to Myers:

"He grows up to be this huge asshole...." :D

bourne ultimatum was an excellent movie, but the director took some of the prior critisism to heart and cut down somewhat on the shaky cam effects. in action movies it can add to the drama by giving it a documentary type of feel. its a fine line to walk. 1-18-08 will be entirely filmed documentary style hand held cam but im counting on it being amazing. i just dont think that type of filmmaking will work for halloween. some shaky cam is okay,to draw you in. but if the cuts are to quick for me to figure out whats going on then:yar: thats when i get pissed. like i said, a fine line. if shaky cam and quick cuts are just a way to keep todays audiences attention then shame on them.

naimas
08-22-2007, 10:32 AM
http://www.moviesonline.ca/TheFeed/index.php?id=halloween-clip1

This site has a number of clips from the movie that is coming out August 31.

I am totally behind a great Halloween movie. Totally. And I will be there to see it, however, honestly, I wasn't too impressed. Sorry.

CLIP 2 AND 5
Dr. Loomis lines sound like really bad theater in this one. Donald Pleasance had a way of saying the dorkiest lines in a way that was convincing. Now they sound like bad Shakespeare.

"His eyes will deceive you.
They will destroy you.
They will take from you your innocence,
your pride.
And eventually your soul.
Behind these eyes one finds only blackness.
These are the eyes of a psychopath."

Sounds like a guy who writes shock-o-rama horror rock lyrics tried to write a potent narrative and it fails on every level. Sorry, Carpenter's script is WAY better.


And could Michael do a better Leatherface rip off as far as his appearance?


CLIP 1
The clip with Laurie being chased across the street LOSES all of the strength of the original stalking scene. And is that a bad mic she was wearing that distorted her scream or possibly a bad video on the site? And her pounding on the door sounds fake. Like its a set. Real doors on real houses do not sound like that.
I think the makeup on the kid is cool and I like the fact that Michael appears at the door. The usual flash cut, blurred, too close face shots that add nothing to the scene. Someone has been watching music videos too long. I counted SIXTEEN CAMERA SHOT CHANGES in 30 seconds.


CLIP 4
The bathroom clip with Michael knocking on the stall door is stupid. It is really bad writing. I can't think of a bad line in the entire original Halloween movie and yet that one scene with the bathroom humor was enough to make me doubt this one. Why does this guy even have to be in the movie? And sorry, it had some stupid camera angles that did nothing for the emotion or weight of the scene.


CLIP 3
The institution scene. LOVED the exterior shot of the place. Very Carpenterish and a throw back to Halloween 2. Loved the opening.
The institution scene with Michael in chains had little emotion to it. It is just a clip but it appeared like a very cliche escape. And like they would really let him wear a mask in there. Picture LEATHERFACE WITH A PUMPKIN MASK. And I counted about THIRTY FOUR CAMERA SHOT CHANGES in 30 seconds! I can see using jarring cuts for action but there were some blunt cuts in the hall that totally made the scene appear amateurish. If they cut out some stuff to make it fit into 30 seconds then I can understand it better but it happened so fast and appeared very sloppy in the editing. The color changes towards the end did little for me because other than the color change nothing was happening on screen. Pointless.

I hope the movie is better than this.

EvilOnTwoLegs
08-22-2007, 10:57 AM
Someone has been watching music videos too long. I counted SIXTEEN CAMERA SHOT CHANGES in 30 seconds.
Yeah...I bet Hitchcock was watching a lot of music videos before he shot the shower scene in Psycho, too. :p Rapid cutting is nothing new, buddy-boy.

Severed Hand
08-22-2007, 10:59 AM
Not one shitty piece of dialogue in the original?


Lynda: "Who cares? I always forget my chemistry book and my Math book and my English book..and let's see, my French book..oh who needs books anyway, I don't need any books..I always forget all my books..it doesn't really matter if you have your books or not".

MichaelJrdnMyrs
08-22-2007, 11:00 AM
http://www.moviesonline.ca/TheFeed/index.php?id=halloween-clip1

This site has a number of clips from the movie that is coming out August 31.

I am totally behind a great Halloween movie. Totally. And I will be there to see it, however, honestly, I wasn't too impressed. Sorry.

CLIP 2 AND 5
Dr. Loomis lines sound like really bad theater in this one. Donald Pleasance had a way of saying the dorkiest lines in a way that was convincing. Now they sound like bad Shakespeare.

"His eyes will deceive you.
They will destroy you.
They will take from you your innocence,
your pride.
And eventually your soul.
Behind these eyes one finds only blackness.
These are the eyes of a psychopath."

Sounds like a guy who writes shock-o-rama horror rock lyrics tried to write a potent narrative and it fails on every level. Sorry, Carpenter's script is WAY better.


And could Michael do a better Leatherface rip off as far as his appearance?


CLIP 1
The clip with Laurie being chased across the street LOSES all of the strength of the original stalking scene. And is that a bad mic she was wearing that distorted her scream or possibly a bad video on the site?
I think the makeup on the kid is cool and I like the fact that Michael appears at the door. The usual flash cut, blurred, too close face shots that add nothing to the scene. Someone has been watching music videos too long. I counted SIXTEEN CAMERA SHOT CHANGES in 30 seconds.


CLIP 4
The bathroom clip with Michael knocking on the stall door is stupid. It is really bad writing. I can't think of a bad line in the entire original Halloween movie and yet that one scene with the bathroom humor was enough to make me doubt this one. Why does this guy even have to be in the movie? And sorry, it had some stupid camera angles that did nothing for the emotion or weight of the scene.


CLIP 3
The institution scene. LOVED the exterior shot of the place. Very Carpenterish and a throw back to Halloween 2. Loved the opening.
The institution scene with Michael in chains had little emotion to it. It is just a clip but it appeared like a very cliche escape. And like they would really let him wear a mask in there. Picture LEATHERFACE WITH A PUMPKIN MASK. And I counted about THIRTY FOUR CAMERA SHOT CHANGES in 30 seconds! I can see using jarring cuts for action but there were some blunt cuts in the hall that totally made the scene appear amateurish. If they cut out some stuff to make it fit into 30 seconds then I can understand it better but it happened so fast and appeared very sloppy in the editing. The color changes towards the end did little for me because other than the color change nothing was happening on screen. Pointless.

I hope the movie is better than this.


I agree with most of what you said. Except maybe the mask-wearing, I think that could possibly be allowed, and if it isn't it's a good device to keep MM masked. I do hate the look he's got going on.

I'm disappointed at the directing. I had hoped Zombie would have grown a bit more from Devil's Rejects, but yeah, at the very least these snippets aren't impressive at all.

Villain612
08-22-2007, 11:01 AM
I don't know, but to me its very difficult to judge a movie based on a few out of context scenes/dialogue. I mean, if I took some of Donald Pleasance's lines from the original, and just listened to them by themselves and out-of-context, I would've probably thought he was being melodramitic and over-the-top.

For rabid fans like us who have been anticipating this film for a year, these little clips are like scraps being fed to starving dogs or something. From seeing these clips and listening to the soundtrack (with a lot of dialogue included), I am trying to keep my expectations grounded. It looks like its gonna be interesting film, but I guess we just have to wait and see. Its wrong to praise this movie, and its wrong to diss it without seeing it.

EvilOnTwoLegs
08-22-2007, 11:02 AM
I agree with most of what you said. Except maybe the mask-wearing, I think that could possibly be allowed, and if it isn't it's a good device to keep MM masked. I do hate the look he's got going on.
hahahaha

So now we're deciding what could possibly be allowed??????

Boy, we fans have big fuckin' heads sometimes, don't we?

Roswell
08-22-2007, 11:03 AM
And could Michael do a better Leatherface rip off as far as his appearance?

:bang:

Flash Over
08-22-2007, 11:04 AM
To be honest...I'd be satisfied if that's all we got from Laurie's chase....It would make alot more sense this time around seeing as how Laurie didn't crack her ankle...plus even in the original...WITH her ankle it wouldnt take THAT long to get her ass across the street....Our "Beloved" original has a few flaws itself (you dont here anybody bitching at THAT)...but im not wasting my time putting them up....

...In the end, we all have our different preferences.

People also need to get that like....10% of this is what you call a remake. 90% is fresh and new. This is a completely different film than the original and if ya cant handle your beloved original as some of you say being "Brutalized" then dont see it. Period.

MichaelJrdnMyrs
08-22-2007, 11:05 AM
Uh, alright. It is my opinion that the mask as a concealing device should be used even if it's not something that would be allowed in an asylum in the real world.


Oh, besides, I was saying someone "could possibly be allowed" in a real asylum to actually wear his masks. I'm sure they make all sorts of accommodations to calm down freaky people.

The Kilted One
08-22-2007, 11:07 AM
CLIP 4
The bathroom clip with Michael knocking on the stall door is stupid. It is really bad writing. I can't think of a bad line in the entire original Halloween movie and yet that one scene with the bathroom humor was enough to make me doubt this one. Why does this guy even have to be in the movie? And sorry, it had some stupid camera angles that did nothing for the emotion or weight of the scene.


I think most of us know why Joe's in this. As I understand it, he has a very clear cut purpose.

EvilOnTwoLegs
08-22-2007, 11:07 AM
Uh, alright. It is my opinion that the mask as a concealing device should be used even if it's not something that would be allowed in an asylum in the real world.
I was just joshin' ya, man. haha

I think things are getting way over-the-top in here, in terms of analyzing everything...so I'm just being a dick and trying to inject some humor. Don't mind me. :D

Roswell
08-22-2007, 11:08 AM
even if it's not something that would be allowed in an asylum in the real world.

Do you know that for a fact?

And besides, it's a movie. It doesn't have to be 100% realistic.

Severed Hand
08-22-2007, 11:10 AM
To be honest...I'd be satisfied if that's all we got from Laurie's chase....It would make alot more sense this time around seeing as how Laurie didn't crack her ankle...plus even in the original...WITH her ankle it wouldnt take THAT long to get her ass across the street....Our "Beloved" original has a few flaws itself (you dont here anybody bitching at THAT)...but im not wasting my time putting them up....

...In the end, we all have our different preferences.

People also need to get that like....10% of this is what you call a remake. 90% is fresh and new. This is a completely different film than the original and if ya cant handle your beloved original as some of you say being "Brutalized" then dont see it. Period.


I'll put one flaw up thats always bothered me. Laurie brings the key to the Myers house BEFORE school, and we see when Michael's in the house looking at her, that he's already got the mask. Well, the whole day goes by........she's gone to school......come home........later gets picked up by Annie, and they drive by the hardware store where they run into Annie's father, and the fucking ALARM IS STILL RINGING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT?????!!!!!! Are the police that fucking slow??????? Did the hardware owners decide to just be open and let the alarm keep ringing??????? Are you kidding me? Bad bad bad.

naimas
08-22-2007, 11:11 AM
hahahaha

So now we're deciding what could possibly be allowed??????

Boy, we fans have big fuckin' heads sometimes, don't we?


What makes you say something like that? Its called an opinion from long time supporters of a classic and people who will be paying money. Is this IMDB where we are just supposed be little kids who love everything a star like Zombie does? Would that make you feel better?

EvilOnTwoLegs
08-22-2007, 11:12 AM
I remember how I used to start nitpick threads for the old Halloween movies, just for fun, and everything I would bring up, fans would come up with WAY outlandish scenarios to try and justify everything (particuarly in H1 and H2)...and those threads generally didn't last very long, for that reason. No one wanted to hear about nitpicks in their beloved Halloween movies.

Now, of course, everyone's nitpicking the shit out of this movie already, and it "to be expected," apparently. I don't understand why some movies are off-limits, and some are fair game.



What makes you say something like that? Its called an opinion from long time supporters of a classic and people who will be paying money. Is this IMDB where we are just supposed be little kids who love everything a star like Zombie does? Would that make you feel better?
Please...chill the fuck out. I know the fucking score here...I've been here for five years. What makes me say something like that is my sense of humor and the fact that I thought it'd be funny to mix in some humor, amid all the nitpicking and bullshit. Now go lay down.

Flash Over
08-22-2007, 11:15 AM
I'll put one flaw up thats always bothered me. Laurie brings the key to the Myers house BEFORE school, and we see when Michael's in the house looking at her, that he's already got the mask. Well, the whole day goes by........she's gone to school......come home........later gets picked up by Annie, and they drive by the hardware store where they run into Annie's father, and the fucking ALARM IS STILL RINGING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT?????!!!!!! Are the police that fucking slow??????? Did the hardware owners decide to just be open and let the alarm keep ringing??????? Are you kidding me? Bad bad bad.

Yeah....really though....another thing that bothered me is that in reality, Laurie would have been Dead before tommy got to the door. The light in the room turns on almost instantly after she throws the pot. In reality, Tommy would hear the noise, and have to get up to turn on the light (this would take about 30 seconds for somebody just waking up) and by the time Tommy got to the window....he'd get high seating in watching Laurie die

The Dark Shape
08-22-2007, 11:16 AM
:bang:

It's a massive guy (and the robes make him look very big) wearing a paper mache mask that looks an awful lot like skin, and he's being very aggressive in his attack. You honestly don't see any similarity to Leatherface?

EvilOnTwoLegs
08-22-2007, 11:17 AM
It's a massive guy (and the robes make him look very big) wearing a paper mache mask that looks an awful lot like skin, and he's being very aggressive in his attack. You honestly don't see any similarity to Leatherface?
Tell the truth, man...you have orange skin, don't you? You're an Oompa-Loompa.

MichaelJrdnMyrs
08-22-2007, 11:19 AM
I was just joshin' ya, man. haha

I think things are getting way over-the-top in here, in terms of analyzing everything...so I'm just being a dick and trying to inject some humor. Don't mind me. :D

Okee-dokee. I had re-edited my reply to you a little while afterward, my initial response shouldn't have even come across as blowhardy in the first place because me saying "possibly be allowed" was only my wondering about real world asylum regulations.


You know what I really don't like? That "Was that the boogeyman?" clip being used in all sorts of promotion. Wouldn't that have been a GREAT jolt if no one had seen the dang thing going in?

No doubt that's what it was designed for. If I was Zombie I'd be pissed at the marketing department. It's even in some of the freaking commercials.

Villain612
08-22-2007, 11:20 AM
I remember how I used to start nitpick threads for the old Halloween movies, just for fun, and everything I would bring up, fans would come up with WAY outlandish scenarios to try and justify everything (particuarly in H1 and H2)...and those threads generally didn't last very long, for that reason. No one wanted to hear about nitpicks in their beloved Halloween movies.

Now, of course, everyone's nitpicking the shit out of this movie already, and it "to be expected," apparently. I don't understand why some movies are off-limits, and some are fair game.



I forgot the psychological term, but some people cannot separate emotional attachment very well. Its the process of starting with a premise, and working everything backward from there.

The Dark Shape
08-22-2007, 11:20 AM
Tell the truth, man...you have orange skin, don't you? You're an Oompa-Loompa.

Don't make me break into song.

Roswell
08-22-2007, 11:20 AM
You honestly don't see any similarity to Leatherface?


None at all. The paper mache mask looks like just that: a paper mache mask, and Myers (even in those robs) doesn't look as hulking as the remake Leatherface (and not even close to the original's Leatherface).

Severed Hand
08-22-2007, 11:21 AM
Yeah....really though....another thing that bothered me is that in reality, Laurie would have been Dead before tommy got to the door. The light in the room turns on almost instantly after she throws the pot. In reality, Tommy would hear the noise, and have to get up to turn on the light (this would take about 30 seconds for somebody just waking up) and by the time Tommy got to the window....he'd get high seating in watching Laurie die


I've always thought that of the original and H2. The stalking is great sure, but please,there's just no way in hell it would take Michael that long to get to Laurie..............unless he periodically stops to play a game of "Hopscotch" along the way.

GGMyers
08-22-2007, 11:21 AM
i dunno - i still feel that lauries chase across the street was great, but it just seemed to end abruptly
i mean we see her running and just about to cross the road and then the next shot shes up the garden path at the doyles lol
im not nitpicking just so u know! just i would prefer that chase to be a little bit longer so it built up the anticipation and suspense more.
ah well cant have it all :-)

myersloomis8
08-22-2007, 11:23 AM
Maybe it's just me, but I thought the Loomis voiceover worked pretty well. Aside from the bathroom scene, nothing has looked that bad to me so far. There's something about Loomis' "As a matter of fact, I believe it was" line I just don't like. I guess it just sounds like a weird choice of words.

The Dark Shape
08-22-2007, 11:23 AM
None at all. The paper mache mask looks like just that: a paper mache mask, and Myers (even in those robs) doesn't look as hulking as the remake Leatherface (and not even close to the original's Leatherface).

Yes, he does. Myers in the robes looks infinitely bigger than he does in the jumpsuit. If you can't see it, fine, but I'd argue it's because you simply don't want to.

Severed Hand
08-22-2007, 11:24 AM
i dunno - i still feel that lauries chase across the street was great, but it just seemed to end abruptly
i mean we see her running and just about to cross the road and then the next shot shes up the garden path at the doyles lol
im not nitpicking just so u know! just i would prefer that chase to be a little bit longer so it built up the anticipation and suspense more.
ah well cant have it all :-)


I understand where you're coming from, but I think there's alot more going to happen between them before and after, and that'll easily make up for it.

zombie commando
08-22-2007, 11:25 AM
Rabid fans choose to ignore those glaring plot devices in the original that stretch the realm of plausability to its breaking point but nit pick the shit out of the remake that's bound to be better than the Halloween flicks we've been getting for the last decade or so.

Ken Foree dropping a deuce and battling the Shape..........priceless.

Flash Over
08-22-2007, 11:25 AM
I've always thought that of the original and H2. The stalking is great sure, but please,there's just no way in hell it would take Michael that long to get to Laurie..............unless he periodically stops to play a game of "Hopscotch" along the way.

LMAO Seriously....I think, im REALLY going to like this film in terms of intensity. What people are calling "Fast paced Bullshit" is what I like better. Its more realistic. And scarier at that.

Roswell
08-22-2007, 11:28 AM
but I'd argue it's because you simply don't want to.

It's not that I don't WANT to see it, it's that I DON'T see it. I really don't. Leatherface would have to slim down, grow long hair, and start wearing paper mache masks before I would see any simliarity.

Severed Hand
08-22-2007, 11:28 AM
LMAO Seriously....I think, im REALLY going to like this film in terms of intensity. What people are calling "Fast paced Bullshit" is what I like better. Its more realistic. And scarier at that.



You hit it right there. Realism. You look at this version of the chase, and the original..........this is how it would really be.........this is far more realistic. The old "slow stalking" was great for what it was, but I'm looking forward to this style.........it's refreshing.

GGMyers
08-22-2007, 11:28 AM
I understand where you're coming from, but I think there's alot more going to happen between them before and after, and that'll easily make up for it.

yeh thats why im not too upset about it - as, like u said, theres gonna be loads of action thats new at the myers house which no doubt is gonna have loads of chases :-)

EvilOnTwoLegs
08-22-2007, 11:30 AM
Don't make me break into song.
hahaha

Note To All: If we are wise, we'll listen to him. ;)



Okee-dokee. I had re-edited my reply to you a little while afterward, my initial response shouldn't have even come across as blowhardy in the first place because me saying "possibly be allowed" was only my wondering about real world asylum regulations.


You know what I really don't like? That "Was that the boogeyman?" clip being used in all sorts of promotion. Wouldn't that have been a GREAT jolt if no one had seen the dang thing going in?

No doubt that's what it was designed for. If I was Zombie I'd be pissed at the marketing department. It's even in some of the freaking commercials.
Yeah, I know...and my trying to lighten the mood in here is gonna be a losing battle, I'm sure. haha

And I tend to agree on your point about that particular scene. That was a very quiet moment in the original, and I think it would have played really well as it is in the remake, had the shock not been spoiled in the marketing. It seems like Zombie tried to keep a lot of things pretty well under wraps as long as he could, and Dimension is giving it all away now. But who knows? Maybe Zombie had some input. But it does seem like they're spoiling some good stuff there.



Rabid fans choose to ignore those glaring plot devices in the original that stretch the realm of plausability to its breaking point but nit pick the shit out of the remake that's bound to be better than the Halloween flicks we've been getting for the last decade or so.
Yeah, like I said, I'd start up those little nitpick threads on the old board, and fans would come up with crazy scenarios to justify what was obviously insanely implausible in movies like H1 and H2. Then, if I pointed out that they were really stretching, they'd say "Well, it's a movie...blah blah blah."

Now, everyone's saying "We're fans...of course we're gonna nitpick everything." Where the hell was that attitude when I was trying to have a little bit of fun four or five years ago with my nitpick threads? But some people want to say that the original Halloween is perfect (even got into an argument about that a year ago on here)...which is bullshit.

No movie is perfect...and some of my favorite movies ever have glaring flaws. Who cares? But why nitpick the shit out of one film, while trying to pretend another is perfect? That's just stupid.


And about the slow stalking versus the more in-your-face horror...I like both. And so does just about everyone else here, and they fucking know it. They just don't want to come to terms with the fact that these are two different films. They'll accept this kind of horror from other films, but not from Halloween. It's all preconceptionist bullshit, as far as I'm concerned. If it works as a film, on its own, stop crying because it isn't the original. And to see whether or not it works, we have to wait 'til the 31st.

Severed Hand
08-22-2007, 11:33 AM
One thing I will say that makes me very happy is this....


When the first trailer came out, ( teaser ), the lighting during the chase scene, looked bad.....too bright. But now that it's been finalized etc, man I love the darkness of it all.

krustytheklown
08-22-2007, 11:33 AM
quick thought. it looks like the weinsteins are going to lose another $60 million or so on The Last Legion. couple that with grindhouse and a few others that im probably not aware of and their financial future has to be somewhat in question. who has the rights to halloween if dimension/mirimax goes under? would it be another long legal battle or could akkad just pick up another studio? just wondering. i know some people want the series to end aug.31, but if its good enough i would like to see one or two (good) sequels eventually.

GGMyers
08-22-2007, 11:35 AM
One thing I will say that makes me very happy is this....


When the first trailer came out, ( teaser ), the lighting during the chase scene, looked bad.....too bright. But now that it's been finalized etc, man I love the darkness of it all.

yeh i totally agree there. i thought exactly the same thing the first time i saw that little snippet of the chase, but now it looks totally real, nice and dark.
I love how laurie slams her whole body into the door when shes bangin on it aswell, that made me chuckle cos i know thats exaclty what i would do haha

Severed Hand
08-22-2007, 11:37 AM
yeh i totally agree there. i thought exactly the same thing the first time i saw that little snippet of the chase, but now it looks totally real, nice and dark.
I love how laurie slams her whole body into the door when shes bangin on it aswell, that made me chuckle cos i know thats exaclty what i would do haha


And thank God there isn't that......."The keys.....oh..oh...the keeeeeeyyyyyys".

EvilOnTwoLegs
08-22-2007, 11:40 AM
And thank God there isn't that......."The keys.....oh..oh...the keeeeeeyyyyyys".
hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

Again, Halloween (the original) was a triumph of style over substance. Realism was thrown out the window in favor of ratcheting up the tension. Silly dialogue and a simplistic storyline could all be forgiven, because the film was so heavy on slow, precisely timed suspense. But this is a different animal. Zombie didn't approach it the same way. So the logical thing would be to watch the film, then decide if it works as a whole, in its own context. But why do that when we can watch a few clips and render a verdict?

MichaelJrdnMyrs
08-22-2007, 11:41 AM
yeh i totally agree there. i thought exactly the same thing the first time i saw that little snippet of the chase, but now it looks totally real, nice and dark.
I love how laurie slams her whole body into the door when shes bangin on it aswell, that made me chuckle cos i know thats exaclty what i would do haha


Yeah, I'm liking Ms. Compton's work. She actually looks freaked the hell out. So many horror actresses don't give that kind of intensity.

GGMyers
08-22-2007, 11:41 AM
And thank God there isn't that......."The keys.....oh..oh...the keeeeeeyyyyyys".

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
everytime i hear jaime lee curtis say that i just keep imagining her going
'a peeeeeee, i need a peeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!'

krustytheklown
08-22-2007, 11:42 AM
i saw an early preview of the hallway chase from H20 on entertainment tonight and i thought it looked like shit, too bright, but it just hadnt been thru"final processing" and turned out okay in the end. music sucked in that scene though, thank you mirimax.anyway, im hoping for not only a scary movie but great creepy atmosphere and authentic halloween feel. jc's halloween didnt really have anything in regards to decorations or anything that would denote the halloween season, it was just a great movie. in 1978 they probably couldnt get much halloween decorations out of season and on a limited schedule and budget. i expect better now

GGMyers
08-22-2007, 11:43 AM
Yeah, I'm liking Ms. Compton's work. She actually looks freaked the hell out. So many horror actresses don't give that kind of intensity.

once again i agree
i do believe in one snippet somehwere i saw some snot running down her nose when she was crying!
yes im deffinatley looking forward to seeing her portrayal :-)

EvilOnTwoLegs
08-22-2007, 11:45 AM
What I think people need to realize is that when you remake a film, you can't let it play the same way. You have to change things up, use different techniques...otherwise, an audience familiar with the original isn't going to respond...they already know how the scene plays out. This is what Savini did with the NotLD remake. He had to change the ending and the character dynamics and all kinds of things, so he could still scare people who knew the original by heart. And this is why slow suspense in the street chase wouldn't really play for hardcore fans of the original Halloween. Where's our apprehension, when we already know how that scene plays out? It has to be handled differently to even have a chance of being scary.

The Good Doctor
08-22-2007, 11:48 AM
It's not that I don't WANT to see it, it's that I DON'T see it. I really don't. Leatherface would have to slim down, grow long hair, and start wearing paper mache masks before I would see any simliarity.

He looks like slipknot, but he damn sure moves like Leatherface. And making him a big ol' brute of a man is just no good, as it takes away from the mystique of pure insanity as sole intimidation factor. He no longer has to creep up from behind or jump out of a closet, because he could take anyone head on. That simply shows a total lack of understanding for the very essence of the shape. We already have “the brute”, a couple of them actually.



Oh, besides, I was saying someone "could possibly be allowed" in a real asylum to actually wear his masks. I'm sure they make all sorts of accommodations to calm down freaky people.

We couldn't when I was in there; 'course things might be different in Illonios. Robes and flip flops are pretty standard though, along with green hospital scrubs for "outings” (court, etc)

Severed Hand
08-22-2007, 11:48 AM
I certainly am not here to make fun of the original, or assume the new one will be amazing. I love the original HALLOWEEN, it's my favorite movie by far, and has been since I was 8 yrs old. I do however have no problem in admitting it's not perfect, and pointing out flaws. For me, it's been almost 30 yrs, and this "Halloween mind" is ready for another version. I'm so stoked at the opportunity to go back and forth between the original and remake, and at the same time, finally getting over the disaster which was "Resurrection".

MichaelMyers04
08-22-2007, 11:50 AM
And thank God there isn't that......."The keys.....oh..oh...the keeeeeeyyyyyys".

:roflmao: LOL!

So far, I can't see anything about this movie that really makes me hate it. The shakey cam thing doesn't bother me, becuase it doesn't look like they're going to be over-using it. This way, it adds a certain realism to the movie, that it wouldn't have gotten otherwise. That being said, I can't coment too much, as I've not seen any of the clips (except for the bathroom scene one). I'm just still laughing that the "keeeeeeyyyss" line isn't in this one :D

GGMyers
08-22-2007, 11:51 AM
He looks like slipknot, but he damn sure moves like Leatherface. And making him a big ol' brute of a man is just no good, as it takes away from the mystique of pure insanity as sole intimidation factor. He no longer has to creep up from behind or jump out of a closet, because he could take anyone head on. That simply shows a total lack of understanding for the very essence of the shape. We already have “the brute”, a couple of them actually.



We couldn't when I was in there; 'course things might be different in Illonios. Robes and flip flops are pretty standard though, along with green hospital scrubs for "outings” (court, etc)

the thing is though is that he isnt 'the shape' anymore. He's rob zombie's michael myers so that means he has different way of moving, a diffrent tact and hell! hes even got a new motive to find laurie!
the way im thinking of it is a new halloween, a new michael - look and personality wise

Worthystevens
08-22-2007, 11:52 AM
He looks like slipknot, but he damn sure moves like Leatherface. And making him a big ol' brute of a man is just no good, as it takes away from the mystique of pure insanity as sole intimidation factor. He no longer has to creep up from behind or jump out of a closet, because he could take anyone head on. That simply shows a total lack of understanding for the very essence of the shape. We already have “the brute”, a couple of them actually.

That's why we have the original. If I want to see a slower-moving Myers, I can always go back to that. But I'm really looking forward to seeing how Zombie's more realistic version of Mike will play out, and hopefully he'll be scary as well, which is what I think we'll be getting.

MichaelJrdnMyrs
08-22-2007, 11:53 AM
hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

Again, Halloween (the original) was a triumph of style over substance. Realism was thrown out the window in favor of ratcheting up the tension. Silly dialogue and a simplistic storyline could all be forgiven, because the film was so heavy on slow, precisely timed suspense. But this is a different animal. Zombie didn't approach it the same way. So the logical thing would be to watch the film, then decide if it works as a whole, in its own context. But why do that when we can watch a few clips and render a verdict?

Well, yeah. But what are the clips for? To get a feel for the movie, and also to SELL us on said movie.

It's not that much, but there are FIVE of them. Surely we can conjecturely comment about these scenes. It's much more than the board has been running on for the last year, after all.

Franchise
08-22-2007, 11:54 AM
What I think people need to realize is that when you remake a film, you can't let it play the same way. You have to change things up, use different techniques...otherwise, an audience familiar with the original isn't going to respond...they already know how the scene plays out. This is what Savini did with the NotLD remake. He had to change the ending and the character dynamics and all kinds of things, so he could still scare people who knew the original by heart. And this is why slow suspense in the street chase wouldn't really play for hardcore fans of the original Halloween. Where's our apprehension, when we already know how that scene plays out? It has to be handled differently to even have a chance of being scary.

Add to the mythos, man!

Eric616
08-22-2007, 11:54 AM
He looks like slipknot, but he damn sure moves like Leatherface. And making him a big ol' brute of a man is just no good, as it takes away from the mystique of pure insanity as sole intimidation factor. He no longer has to creep up from behind or jump out of a closet, because he could take anyone head on. That simply shows a total lack of understanding for the very essence of the shape. We already have “the brute”, a couple of them actually.
Yeah but doesn't that make Michael scarier? A 6'8 "brute" chasing you is much more scarier than a 6'0 guy chasing you.

Severed Hand
08-22-2007, 11:59 AM
I suspect after this is all over, alot of us will not jump up and grab our JC Halloween DVD quite as frequently.


You know, I used to have a car I bought when I was 15 that I fixed up, drove all the time, and was madly in love with it. I swore I'd never get another one. 10 yrs later I did, and although I still love my first one, the new one was pretty damn cool. Is this a relevent story? Maybe, maybe not ( since that second car is long gone and I'm into my fifth new one ), but.......somewhere.........there was a point here....LOL.

krustytheklown
08-22-2007, 12:05 PM
no movie is perfect, but halloween still turned out to be genious. star wars, same way. the first superman had glaring flaws and yet i still enjoy it. even ET had the feds in spacesuits(?) crashing thru the damn windows for no reason. RZ could have just done a straight remake this time out, fix the minor flaws of the original and bloody it up, but he chose to give us something original. now its the waiting game to see whether or not it pays off. its all on RZ shoulders, and i respect that. that being said,if the movie sucks i will have to run him over. likewise he will be forever worshipped if the movie kicks ass. 9 more days

The Good Doctor
08-22-2007, 12:06 PM
Yeah but doesn't that make Michael scarier? A 6'8 "brute" chasing you is much more scarier than a 6'0 guy chasing you.

Oh I beg to differ! The fact that the 6'0 guy is even chasing me (I'm 6'7) is terrifying because I know he truly doesn't give a shit, on the deepest of levels. Michael's stature did not matter because it was more than compensated by his hypnotic psychosis. In fact, for me the single most haunting element of the original film is the realization that this "average man" must kill, will not stop at anything, and takes his time doing it. This illustrated the concept of inevitability and produced an almost intolerable level of suspense, in my opinion.

krustytheklown
08-22-2007, 12:07 PM
I suspect after this is all over, alot of us will not jump up and grab our JC Halloween DVD quite as frequently.


You know, I used to have a car I bought when I was 15 that I fixed up, drove all the time, and was madly in love with it. I swore I'd never get another one. 10 yrs later I did, and although I still love my first one, the new one was pretty damn cool. Is this a relevent story? Maybe, maybe not ( since that second car is long gone and I'm into my fifth new one ), but.......somewhere.........there was a point here....LOL.

i can watch the first two halloweens in my head frame for frame while sitting here at work, which is why ive been advocating for a remake since HR. dont touch my original, but damn give me something new.:roflmao:

Villain612
08-22-2007, 12:08 PM
I suspect after this is all over, alot of us will not jump up and grab our JC Halloween DVD quite as frequently.


Well to be honest with you, even though the original Halloween film is definitely one of my favorites movies ever, I don't really watch it all that often. The core of the film is tension and suspense that plays out after scenes that are very slowly paced. By today's standard, the original is almost very "slow" in certain parts. For instance, the whole ordeal with Annie in the laundry room or when she forgets the keys. Or when Laurie walks over to the Wallace house. Very slowly paced.

Of course, this style is what makes the eventual scares effective. Its sort of like delayed gratification. There's a bigger payoff in the end. But that means you have to allow yourself to absorb the material and it just takes longer. Out of all my Halloweens, I probably watch Halloween 2 the most. Probably because the story just kicks right in from the beginning.

Nothing against the original - in fact, a lot of the best horror movies are that way.

Eric616
08-22-2007, 12:10 PM
Oh I beg to differ! The fact that the 6'0 guy is even chasing me (I'm 6'7) is terrifying because I know he truly doesn't give a shit, on the deepest of levels. Michael's stature did not matter because it was more than compensated by his hypnotic psychosis. In fact, for me the single most haunting element of the original film is the realization that this "average man" must kill, will not stop at anything, and takes his time doing it. This illustrated the concept of inevitability and produced an almost intolerable level of suspense, in my opinion.Well to a average person a 6'0 Michael (to a person that doesn't know Michaels strength) is much less scarier than a 6'8 mad man with a knife chasing you.

AJ*
08-22-2007, 12:14 PM
Yeah but doesn't that make Michael scarier? A 6'8 "brute" chasing you is much more scarier than a 6'0 guy chasing you.

No. You don't have to be the size of Jason Voorhees to be scary. If the 6'0 guy has a knife or any kind of weapon he's going to be scary regardless of his size (especially if he's already stabbed you). Jason wasn't big in Part 2 but he sure as hell was scary...probably more scary than the big versions in the later sequels.

MichaelJrdnMyrs
08-22-2007, 12:18 PM
...or we can debate about height freight again instead of what's in the clips.

Severed Hand
08-22-2007, 12:20 PM
Well to a average person a 6'0 Michael (to a person that doesn't know Michaels strength) is much less scarier than a 6'8 mad man with a knife chasing you.


I could see one day when the Halloween franchise is on it's last legs, that they intertwine JC's vision with RZ's, and make it a comedy. You could have Mane's 6' 8" Myers pushing and kicking Nick Castle's 6' Myers in the ass, telling him to hurry up after Laurie as she's running across the street, and then inevitably grabbing Castle's Myers by the hand and pulling him like a Mother would to a screaming 4 yr old child.

Just a thought, and let's hope that never happens.

The Dark Knight
08-22-2007, 12:24 PM
"The keys.....oh..oh...the keeeeeeyyyyyys," was so high pitched that my testicles shiver every time I hear it.

Man In Black
08-22-2007, 12:25 PM
So, apparently the original theme, not the "Batesified" we're plays about three times during the movie...stupid Joe Grizzley scene:D

HannibalBEATNGU
08-22-2007, 12:30 PM
I found the clips rather underwhelming. I hate that stupid pumpkin mask look, Michael looks like a cheaply designed Nintendo version of Leatherface in that damn thing, and the Joe Grizzy clip plus the score further confirms what I've feared about Rob turning this into Halloween in Ruggsville with that dirty, trashy feel from his other films that doesn't gel with Halloween. I especially hated the dialogue in that clip, and Michael's escape looks pretty generic and lacking in intensity.

The Good Doctor
08-22-2007, 12:33 PM
I could see one day when the Halloween franchise is on it's last legs, that they intertwine JC's vision with RZ's, and make it a comedy. You could have Mane's 6' 8" Myers pushing and kicking Nick Castle's 6' Myers in the ass, telling him to hurry up after Laurie as she's running across the street, and then inevitably grabbing Castle's Myers by the hand and pulling him like a Mother would to a screaming 4 yr old child.




Then Castle could pin him up and show him how a real shape tilts his head.

Worthystevens
08-22-2007, 12:42 PM
I found the clips rather underwhelming. I hate that stupid pumpkin mask look, Michael looks like a cheaply designed Nintendo version of Leatherface in that damn thing, and the Joe Grizzy clip plus the score further confirms what I've feared about Rob turning this into Halloween in Ruggsville with that dirty, trashy feel from his other films that doesn't gel with Halloween. I especially hated the dialogue in that clip, and Michael's escape looks pretty generic and lacking in intensity.

One scene doesn't make a movie white trash. And how does the score 'confirm' that it's going to be trashy?

Khan
08-22-2007, 12:43 PM
Why are you defending a movie you haven't even seen yet?

Hannibal has seen footage that he didn't like and is simply commenting on it.

Severed Hand
08-22-2007, 12:44 PM
Then Castle could pin him up and show him how a real shape tilts his head.

You mean there's an art to it??? Shit, I see at least 6 people every Halloween dressed up like Michael Myers at parties, and they all do the head tilt the same as the movie......am I missing something?

SicDarko
08-22-2007, 12:47 PM
Why are you defending a movie you haven't even seen yet?

Hannibal has seen footage that he didn't like and is simply commenting on it.

Why are people trashing a movie they haven't even see yet..... It's a two way street you know.

And some of us have seen footage that we like. Same shit.

myersloomis8
08-22-2007, 12:47 PM
I found the clips rather underwhelming. I hate that stupid pumpkin mask look, Michael looks like a cheaply designed Nintendo version of Leatherface in that damn thing, and the Joe Grizzy clip plus the score further confirms what I've feared about Rob turning this into Halloween in Ruggsville with that dirty, trashy feel from his other films that doesn't gel with Halloween. I especially hated the dialogue in that clip, and Michael's escape looks pretty generic and lacking in intensity.

When I first saw the orange mask I really hated it, but now it doesn't seem that bad now after watching more clips.

Worthystevens
08-22-2007, 12:48 PM
Why are you defending a movie you haven't even seen yet?

Hannibal has seen footage that he didn't like and is simply commenting on it.

Because a couple of clips 'confirming' that the whole movie is white trash is a very hard assumption for someone who also hasn't seen it to make.

I'm not defending the movie as if it's definitely going to be good or bad, but a couple of clips does not make the movie.

PG Soul
08-22-2007, 12:51 PM
Terminator 2 was better than this movie, but I still think it was pretty good. 7 out of 10 of Rob Zombie's film, not the best, neither was it the worse.

Severed Hand
08-22-2007, 12:53 PM
Well I personally think this movie will kick ass cause Edward Jenkelfinkter is head greensman!

Khan
08-22-2007, 12:53 PM
How can T2 and Halloween even be compared?

The two movies are apples and oranges.

PG Soul
08-22-2007, 12:57 PM
How can T2 and Halloween even be compared?

The two movies are apples and oranges.

Because both have got escape scenes from Mental Asylums and Linda Hamilton's escape was so much better than Michael Myers' escape.

Plus both movies featured a stalker and a quarry and anybody who got in the way of the stalker was in mortal danger.

Both movies are similar but obviously T2 is better.

MichaelJrdnMyrs
08-22-2007, 01:05 PM
Because both have got escape scenes from Mental Asylums and Linda Hamilton's escape was so much better than Michael Myers' escape.

Plus both movies featured a stalker and a quarry and anybody who got in the way of the stalker was in mortal danger.

Both movies are similar but obviously T2 is better.


I don't remember what her escape looked like, but I wouldn't be surprised if it looked a lot more realistic.

I can't stand the Zombie escape scene. Looks like something out of the WWE, or that MM's turned into the freaking Hulk or something.

HannibalBEATNGU
08-22-2007, 01:08 PM
Because a couple of clips 'confirming' that the whole movie is white trash is a very hard assumption for someone who also hasn't seen it to make.

I'm not defending the movie as if it's definitely going to be good or bad, but a couple of clips does not make the movie.


I'm seeing footage from the film that confirms what I feared would be in the film.

I'm not juding the whole film, I'm judging the clips I've seen and commenting on how they effect my expectations for the film.

The sound effects used for the score remind me of TDR score, hence further indicating that Rob is trying to re-create the type of atmosphere from that film.

PG Soul
08-22-2007, 01:09 PM
I don't remember what her escape looked like, but I wouldn't be surprised if it looked a lot more realistic.

I can't stand the Zombie escape scene. Looks like something out of the WWE, or that MM's turned into the freaking Hulk or something.

Yes this is true, the T2 escape sequence was much more realistic (well to a certain extent) and it was a whole lot cooler.

'Come With Me If You Want To Live'

Khan
08-22-2007, 01:10 PM
Because both have got escape scenes from Mental Asylums and Linda Hamilton's escape was so much better than Michael Myers' escape.

Plus both movies featured a stalker and a quarry and anybody who got in the way of the stalker was in mortal danger.

Both movies are similar but obviously T2 is better.

Interesting comparison.

MichaelJrdnMyrs
08-22-2007, 01:13 PM
I'm seeing footage from the film that confirms what I feared would be in the film.

I'm not juding the whole film, I'm judging the clips I've seen and commenting on how they effect my expectations for the film.


Yeah. If someone comes up to you the first time you meet dressed in flip flops with nasty-assed feet and ragged long hair, talking to you about the turd that's brewin inside them, you might assume these were indications of their total character or how they conduct themselves on a regular basis.

You might be wrong. Often you aren't.

If I was a betting man I certainly wouldn't wagert that this was the only gross white-trashy scene in the entire movie.

PG Soul
08-22-2007, 01:24 PM
I never thought of it that way, but it makes sense.

Did you also notice the mother and psychologist role reversed in both movies?

In T2, the psychologist is in denial and needs convincing by the mother who feels that her sons life and the life of humanity in general was in mortal danger from an assassin from the future.

Yet in Zombie's Halloween, the mother is some what in denial with regards to what her son really is and what he is capable of. However, the psychologist knows how dangerous the son really is and the threat he poses to everybody in general.

In both movies, the foster parents are slayed brutally.

Zombie's Halloween features a so so electronica rehash of Carpenter and Howarth's classic movie score.

T2 features an awesome remake of Brad Fiedel's Terminator score by the man himself.

Both movies feature a black actor, who is pivotal to the storyline, yet they are both killed

I'm beginning to see a pattern emerge here.

shoe1985
08-22-2007, 01:27 PM
I'm seeing footage from the film that confirms what I feared would be in the film.

I'm not juding the whole film, I'm judging the clips I've seen and commenting on how they effect my expectations for the film.

The sound effects used for the score remind me of TDR score, hence further indicating that Rob is trying to re-create the type of atmosphere from that film.

I guess we are not allowed to judge anything unless we like it now? Really, everyone has an opinion. If you don't like what you have seen, speak your mind. If you like what you see, speak your mind. We are not all going to agree.

I thought the clips had some promise, but a lot of my fears have come true, which I already explained in a previous post.

As for the white trash thing, well who knows who it could be. It could be some guy that had his car die on him and he had to walk a long distance in the rain and mud? It would be a good excuse for the problems he has.

krustytheklown
08-22-2007, 01:29 PM
Oh I beg to differ! The fact that the 6'0 guy is even chasing me (I'm 6'7) is terrifying because I know he truly doesn't give a shit, on the deepest of levels. Michael's stature did not matter because it was more than compensated by his hypnotic psychosis. In fact, for me the single most haunting element of the original film is the realization that this "average man" must kill, will not stop at anything, and takes his time doing it. This illustrated the concept of inevitability and produced an almost intolerable level of suspense, in my opinion.

it always bothered me having what i percieved as a "big guy" playing michale, like shanks in H5. i guess hes only listed as 6'1, but he seemed too tall and bulky to be michael. its okay with mane being michael now because hes playing a brand new character, and RZ can do what he wants without violating continuity.ill reserve judgement for 9 more days on that one to see how it plays out. george wilbur i hated as michael because he was too stiff in his movements, and i think by his own admission he didnt even watch the first one to get a handle on how nick caste worked the role. ugh.

naimas
08-22-2007, 02:31 PM
Yeah...I bet Hitchcock was watching a lot of music videos before he shot the shower scene in Psycho, too. :p Rapid cutting is nothing new, buddy-boy.


Nice sarcasm. And I JUST watched Psycho to see if you were right. You are not.
The original shower scene did not have pointless, split second, blurry cuts. Sorry, not even close.

MichaelMyers04
08-22-2007, 02:34 PM
and i think by his own admission he didnt even watch the first one to get a handle on how nick caste worked the role. ugh.

This is the same reason I hate Chris Durand's portrayal of the Shape. He purposely didn't watch the previous sequels, and IMO he got the movements way off. Brad Loree, on the other hand, watched the sequels, and he studied the way that Castle in particular did the movements. His portrayal was dead on!

This is the same reason I'm expecting Mane to be an excellent Shape, because he's seen all of them, and he's bringing something new to his role.

naimas
08-22-2007, 02:37 PM
Yeah. If someone comes up to you the first time you meet dressed in flip flops with nasty-assed feet and ragged long hair, talking to you about the turd that's brewin inside them, you might assume these were indications of their total character or how they conduct themselves on a regular basis.

You might be wrong. Often you aren't.

If I was a betting man I certainly wouldn't wagert that this was the only gross white-trashy scene in the entire movie.

I hope it is. And nobody put a gun to whoever put out that video snip and said post it or else. They sound like they were advertising it. I respect Rob, and have met him and talked with him about horror. I told him then what I will say now, there is a point with horror where gross simply turns people off. The white trash, greasy hair gross talk does not have a place in Halloween. I respected its use in his earlier flicks. He said he was using it because it was what scared him. It is simply a turn off in a movie such as Halloween. Its bad enough that he is using some of the cast from his earlier films. I wonder if he would have used Tiny as MM in this flick had the actor not died. And yes I know that Carpenter used some of his cast in other movies. It was a bad choice of a snip to release. A wimpy kill at best and the POV of the scene was even messed up.