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Thurisaz
04-07-2007, 09:06 AM
This is the fifth thread. You know the damn drill.

Part IV: http://www.ohmb.net/showthread.php?t=10924

Aaaand.... go.

Apparently some folks still don't understand this concept. So here it is again.




Spoilers are allowed, but specific plot points must be posted with spoiler tags. When you go to the reply screen, click on the red S icon and that will provide you with spoiler tags.

Here's an example of what should be tagged and what should not be:

__________________________________________________ __________

The following statements would not be spoilers:
Malcolm McDowell is going to play Loomis!

I hear the mask is gonna look the same as the original in this movie!

I'm not happy with direction this movie is going, it sounds too gory and Michael is completely humanized in this film!

__________________________________________________ __________

The following statements would be spoiler:
Michael slices Judith up with a chainsaw in this movie!

The script says Loomis runs over Michael 12 times in a Hummer!

I really don't like the Rob Zombie cameo scene where he stabs John Carpenter and dances on his dead body :(

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Of course those are all fake, but you get the picture.

Dark Empire
04-07-2007, 09:07 AM
Boo!!

SemiKillaNole
04-07-2007, 09:20 AM
Cdizzle in the hizzouse.

So, what's this I hear about a new Halloween coming out this August?

Man In Black
04-07-2007, 09:23 AM
Cool photo from Danielle's myspace.
http://www.ohmb.net/imagehosting/2344617d35cf1a34.jpg

Terrortino
04-07-2007, 09:23 AM
i HeARd MIke Is GunNa WAck OfFz on da ANiMalLs!!!11!1!!1

loomis6
04-07-2007, 09:24 AM
I definitely like how Malcolm McDowell looked as Dr. Loomis in the new trailer. That was a brilliant cast. What I don't like is Michael's new mask or size. He's too dirty, and too grimy. One of the things that made Michael so frightening was how simple he was, and that simplicity was reflected in his physical appearance.

H-Field Hero
04-07-2007, 09:27 AM
i HeARd MIke Is GunNa WAck OfFz on da ANiMalLs!!!11!1!!1:sideroll: HOLLAZ!!
I definitely like how Malcolm McDowell looked as Dr. Loomis in the new trailer. That was a brilliant cast. What I don't like is Michael's new mask or size. He's too dirty, and too grimy. One of the things that made Michael so frightening was how simple he was, and that simplicity was reflected in his physical appearance.Damn, Tahir deciding to stop by for a rare appearence! I agree with what you said about Michael. It's a little too TCM'ish for my personal tastes, but I think lending itself to the other look and mood that Zombie is going for. Hopefully it works out in the end.

SemiKillaNole
04-07-2007, 09:34 AM
i HeARd MIke Is GunNa WAck OfFz on da ANiMalLs!!!11!1!!1

:bigeyes:

That's intense!

Andre3000
04-07-2007, 09:40 AM
Cool photo from Danielle's myspace.
http://www.ohmb.net/imagehosting/2344617d35cf1a34.jpg
She has a myspace? Whats her address?

TheShape'78
04-07-2007, 09:40 AM
i HeARd MIke Is GunNa WAck OfFz on da ANiMalLs!!!11!1!!1

it was in an early draft, it may be in there and it may not. we'll just have to go see the movie to be certain. i hope it was taken out though. completely unnecessary.

peace
-mitch-

Khan
04-07-2007, 09:53 AM
Cool photo from Danielle's myspace.
http://www.ohmb.net/imagehosting/2344617d35cf1a34.jpg


Wow, Danielle and Scout are tiny!

EvilOnTwoLegs
04-07-2007, 10:05 AM
i HeARd MIke Is GunNa WAck OfFz on da ANiMalLs!!!11!1!!1
I NO! N AlsO, I hURd DaT He SoDOMizES JuDitH wIT a BasEBALL baT N PiSses On GiRLs n ShIT!!!!1!!1!11!!!1!11

ALso, He hAS a SpeCIaL MaSK 4 TAkiN' a sHit!!!!1111!!!!!!11!!!11

TheShape'78
04-07-2007, 10:06 AM
Wow, Danielle and Scout are tiny!

i think they're about average for girls height, the others are just tall i think.

peace
-mitch-

Terrortino
04-07-2007, 10:16 AM
I NO! N AlsO, I hURd DaT He SoDOMizES JuDitH wIT a BasEBALL baT N PiSses On GiRLs n ShIT!!!!1!!1!11!!!1!11

ALso, He hAS a SpeCIaL MaSK 4 TAkiN' a sHit!!!!1111!!!!!!11!!!11

hahahah :roflmao:

I think this movie could possibly hit the 2 hour mark. Judging by the early draft, there's alotttt of ground to cover and it wont want to feel rushed.

InTheDeep2007
04-07-2007, 10:22 AM
I didn't know Danielle had a myspace, either. Ehh I'm sure everyone knows that I will be seeing this movie

ghettomyers
04-07-2007, 10:24 AM
Hey!!!!! Im The GheTTO ONE ROUND DIS MUTHA SUCKA!!!!

nwiser
04-07-2007, 10:44 AM
ok I give up...what's with the pea green?

this latest look makes me like the "Zombified" red even more. :nodsmile:




Edit: Nevermind, I just saw the posted trailer and see the pea green was their idea. I still think an orange or blood red would be the way to go.

TheShape'78
04-07-2007, 10:48 AM
ok I give up...what's with the pea green?

this latest look makes me like the "Zombified" red even more. :nodsmile:

noooo, it is way better than the zombified red font. that thing was an eyesore. i am not a fan of the green myself, but i much prefer this one, but orange would be the best (how 'bout it guys... orange?)



-mitch-

Rabbit in Red
04-07-2007, 10:49 AM
Am I the only one who didn't realize that MGM was releasing this film...? Makes me wonder what the dvd release will be like.

MMyers89
04-07-2007, 10:51 AM
It does kind of feel like the Official Matrix Message Board in here.

Inhumane
04-07-2007, 10:52 AM
Am I the only one who didn't realize that MGM was releasing this film...? Makes me wonder what the dvd release will be like.

I didn't know this either until I saw the trailer. Considering MGM dropped "House of 1000 Corpses" because Zombie took a playful swipe at them, I'm quite surprised they would work with Zombie again. But hey, like the new "Halloween" logo, green is the only thing these studios worry about.

Rabbit in Red
04-07-2007, 10:52 AM
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/2997/db511d3bb97d4e3e2c2d006ad4.jpg

This was posted in the IV discussion. This is a lot better.

Rabbit in Red
04-07-2007, 10:54 AM
I didn't know this either until I saw the trailer. Considering MGM dropped "House of 1000 Corpses" because Zombie took a playful swipe at them, I'm quite surprised they would work with Zombie again. But hey, like the new "Halloween" logo, green is the only thing these studios worry about.

I thought all of the trouble came from Universal since it was all of the Universal copyrighted items and images that were used in Ho1000C?

TheShape'78
04-07-2007, 10:58 AM
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/2997/db511d3bb97d4e3e2c2d006ad4.jpg

This was posted in the IV discussion. This is a lot better.

i agree, orange is always the way to go. change that crap.

lol

-mitch-

nwiser
04-07-2007, 11:01 AM
based on what I've read here, I'd like to ask the people who've read the script 1) if what I think I know is actually true and 2)what they think about:

why is it when Michael is a child, after having killed Judith and whoever else, and is being looked at by various people as an insane criminal, Deborah jumps to his defense and gives them the "he's sweet/innocent you dont know him like I do" speech, and then as an adult when he escapes from Smiths Grove she is reversed in her thinking, saying that she "knew he would come for her" and she "hid laurie so he wouldnt find her"? Does it have to do with things she learns (and we the audience learn as well) about him over the years while he's at Smiths Grove? Do we get to know what his motivation for breaking out of Smith's Grove is(since its not the Thorn commanding him to kill his entie family off)?

Nightmare13
04-07-2007, 11:04 AM
Am I the only one who didn't realize that MGM was releasing this film...? Makes me wonder what the dvd release will be like.

MGM signed a distribution deal with The Weinstein Co., so this is why they are releasing Halloween. I don’t think they were actually involved with the making of the film, though.

H-Field Hero
04-07-2007, 11:09 AM
ALso, He hAS a SpeCIaL MaSK 4 TAkiN' a sHit!!!!1111!!!!!!11!!!11LMAO. I can't stop laughing at this post. THIZ MOVIZ GUNNA SUK!@#$%^

nwiser
04-07-2007, 11:11 AM
It wasn't Thorn in the original... thankfully!

yeah...but it was still something supernatural...even if it wasnt actually/directly explained in the original...he definately wasnt human.

renee30152
04-07-2007, 11:13 AM
Cool photo from Danielle's myspace.
http://www.ohmb.net/imagehosting/2344617d35cf1a34.jpg

Cool photo!!
What is Danielle's Myspace Addy please?

Halloween444
04-07-2007, 11:14 AM
The trailer was'nt attached to the print of grindhouse i;ve gone last night anyway im glad Im able to watch it here still look badass to me Malcolm is good as loomis Cant wait

Inhumane
04-07-2007, 11:15 AM
I thought all of the trouble came from Universal since it was all of the Universal copyrighted items and images that were used in Ho1000C?

Yes, Universal had the film first, then dropped it. Then MGM picked it up and Zombie made a playful dig about them "having no morals" for the reason for MGM picking up the film. The following day, MGM dropped the film. Zombie relayed that story on the show "Dinner For Five".

Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQBaVM2e4fw

Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djhOX2OhTX0

Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTvHYSXUq5I

H-Field Hero
04-07-2007, 11:23 AM
Where does that show air? Looked pretty damn cool seeing Bruce Cambell, Roger Corman, and Rob Zombie all sitting around the same table.

Man In Black
04-07-2007, 11:24 AM
I love Dinner for Five, wish they'd release more DVDs.

renee30152
04-07-2007, 11:27 AM
Thanks. I LOVE Bruce Campbell. He was awesome in Xena and The Evil Dead series.

Nightmare13
04-07-2007, 11:27 AM
Whoa! Thanks for posting those videos, Inhumane. Some really interesting stuff…

nwiser
04-07-2007, 11:28 AM
hmmm...maybe its just from seeing it on my computer instead of in a dark movie theater on the big screen, but after having watched the trailer, I get the feeling people are over-hyping it. It doesnt seem as scary as the stills led me to believe: I just gont get the "I've gotta see this on the big screen" feeling. Is this really the "trailer" or is it just a "teaser" and the actual trailer will come out in a month or so when they've had more time to really produce it?

One thing is for sure, adult Michael definately has a Jason Voorhees "feel" to him with his actions/mannerisms.

H-Field Hero
04-07-2007, 11:30 AM
It's just a teaser trailer. Not sure how familiar you are with those, but they tend to be just that: A tease. You're not supposed to get too much of a feel for the movie.

Also keep the trailer talk in the appropriate thread please :).

Inhumane
04-07-2007, 11:36 AM
Where does that show air? Looked pretty damn cool seeing Bruce Cambell, Roger Corman, and Rob Zombie all sitting around the same table.

The show aired on the IFC (Independent Film Channel). Sadly, they no longer make new episodes. For more info, here's the channel's official website: http://ifc.com/


I love Dinner for Five, wish they'd release more DVDs.

I totally agree, Man.


Thanks. I LOVE Bruce Campbell. He was awesome in Xena and The Evil Dead series.

Whoa! Thanks for posting those videos, Inhumane. Some really interesting stuff…

My pleasure. Enjoy!

The Dark Shape
04-07-2007, 12:11 PM
On the MGM front, the studio itself is only distributing the film theatrically, nothing more. When the Weinsteins split from Disney, they didn't have the resources to distribute films themselves, so they had to find a partner. Hence, MGM, who's put out every film since I think Clerks II.

That said, MGM's involvement ends at the theatrical level. The Weinsteins (through Genius Products) handle home video, which is why the film will be HD DVD exclusive, whereas MGM is a Blu-ray studio and is partially owned by Sony.

Khan
04-07-2007, 12:16 PM
Yes, Universal had the film first, then dropped it. Then MGM picked it up and Zombie made a playful dig about them "having no morals" for the reason for MGM picking up the film. The following day, MGM dropped the film. Zombie relayed that story on the show "Dinner For Five".

Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQBaVM2e4fw

Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djhOX2OhTX0

Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTvHYSXUq5I

Thanks for posting that!

Nightmare13
04-07-2007, 12:35 PM
It's just a teaser trailer. Not sure how familiar you are with those, but they tend to be just that: A tease. You're not supposed to get too much of a feel for the movie.

About this only being a teaser trailer… I’m not the only person who thought the trailer showed way more than I expected it too, right? I only expected maybe a few shots of Michael, Laurie and Loomis and a voiceover and stuff… not as many clips and defiantly not as fast paced and as “in your face” as the teaser we got. :D

Siouxsie
04-07-2007, 01:18 PM
I'm so depressed about the violence against animals in this film....Why, why, why, why so much.......Yea, honestly, I care more about any animal being killed in this movie than any person. I've said similar things on other horror message boards, and I was flamed. I can't even stand eating chocolate Easter bunnies, so I don't know how I'll handle this...

Monte
04-07-2007, 01:35 PM
I'm so depressed about the violence against animals in this film....Why, why, why, why so much.......Yea, honestly, I care more about any animal being killed in this movie than any person. I've said similar things on other horror message boards, and I was flamed. I can't even stand eating chocolate Easter bunnies, so I don't know how I'll handle this...

Rumor on the street is that the animal violence is...fake. Not real in any way at all. I know it's hard to believe, but hey, anything's possible in this day and age.

TheShape'78
04-07-2007, 01:37 PM
I'm so depressed about the violence against animals in this film....Why, why, why, why so much.......Yea, honestly, I care more about any animal being killed in this movie than any person. I've said similar things on other horror message boards, and I was flamed. I can't even stand eating chocolate Easter bunnies, so I don't know how I'll handle this...

dude, it's a movie.

-mitch-

MM41
04-07-2007, 01:53 PM
^ Yeah its not real life, and whatever I think that Zombie is going in a good way with this, we will see but all I can say it HAS to be better than resurrection!! LOL

Siouxsie
04-07-2007, 01:54 PM
I'm not a dude.

fangface
04-07-2007, 01:57 PM
Do we know if young Michael still has the scrapbook of porn and slaughtered animals?

Siouxsie
04-07-2007, 02:00 PM
I wish they'd of kept him as a normal kid who just all the sudden kills his sister instead of a psychopath from the start.

But I guess that's all apart of the re-imagining.

DonaldPismyHero
04-07-2007, 02:00 PM
Do we know if young Michael still has the scrapbook of porn and slaughtered animals?

As far as I know from someone who had read the shooting script, it has been taken out, but we can't know for sure until it comes out :D

Zeeboe
04-07-2007, 02:11 PM
Well, thanks for the responses to my post. And I know who my Father is so the bastard comment it way out of line. ;)

Franchise
04-07-2007, 02:29 PM
Here's some new interviews I found on VH1.com. I'd post them as news, but I'm far too lazy.

http://www.vh1.com/movies/news/articles/1555254/story.jhtml

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/Franchise1977/281x211.jpg

http://www.vh1.com/movies/news/articles/1556353/story.jhtmlPASADENA, California — In 1978, British thespian Donald Pleasence stepped off the grand stage to give horror fans an all-time classic movie character, while declaring that he had stared into "this blank, pale, emotionless face with the blackest eyes ... the devil's eyes!" These days, the equally treasured Malcolm McDowell — perhaps best known for portraying the pathological Alex in "A Clockwork Orange" — is slipping into Dr. Sam Loomis' trademark trench coat to gaze into the peepers of the new Michael Myers. We caught up with the "Heroes" star on the set of Rob Zombie's "Halloween" remake for his first-anywhere interview about the film, getting thoughts on a CNN-friendly reinvention of the character, an unusually chatty Michael, and the inevitable sequels you'll be hearing about soon.

MTV: Tell us about your character.

Malcolm McDowell: I am playing the character that was originated by Donald Pleasence in the original "Halloween" all those years ago, which I never saw.

MTV: You've never seen the classic John Carpenter movie, or the sequels?

McDowell: No, I've never seen any one of them — and in a way, I'm thrilled and glad that I didn't see them. When I knew I was going to do it, I could have seen them, but I figured, "Why be influenced by someone else?" Let's just start fresh. [Zombie's remake] is a completely new look at it (see "Rob Zombie Talks 'Halloween': 'A Bloodbath Doesn't Interest Me' " (http://www.vh1.com/movies/news/articles/1554234/20070308/story.jhtml) and " 'Halloween' Star Scout Taylor-Compton Calls Michael Myers 'Cute,' Talks Sequel" (http://www.vh1.com/movies/news/articles/1554614/20070314/story.jhtml)).

MTV: So what's your take on our old crazy friend Dr. Loomis?

McDowell: Dr. Samuel Loomis is a psychiatrist whose lifelong work is Michael Myers. He obviously isn't a very good one is he? [He laughs.] Of course, he doesn't cure him, and he doesn't help him in any way. Dr. Loomis is retired [in this film] ... I want to make Loomis a man with a tremendous ego. I've met some of these doctors through the years, where there is more ego in it than there is [interest in what's] best for the patient, and if they can get a book out of it — which of course he has done — it's a bestseller, and that's so much better.

MTV: So your Loomis is the type of guy we'd see on CNN as an "expert" on serial killers.

McDowell: Exactly. There is that element, which I thought would be fun to exploit in this character. How good of a psychiatrist he is, God knows. But he is dealing with a psychopath, and there really is not much you can do when it's a psychopath — maybe shock treatment or something. He has already killed five members of his own family [when he comes to Loomis]. It's a scary movie, but it's going to be a classic horror film.

MTV: You're one of the few actors who works opposite both the grown-up Michael (played by actor/wrestler Tyler Mane) and young Daeg Faerch, who plays the killer as a child. What's that been like?

McDowell: There's a 17-year gap from the childhood scenes [with Myers] to what you saw here tonight. Tyler, who plays him, is 6 foot 8 or something, and quite formidable looking. [With young Michael,] you are going to see him doing that sort of stuff at home when he was a child. The sort of family that he comes from, and how disjointed the whole thing is, and what a sad life and childhood he had.

MTV: In the original, we always heard Loomis making reference to watching Michael stare through the wall while they were in the sanitarium. Will this movie show us those moments?

McDowell: Well, I haven't shot those yet, but there is a lot of improvised stuff, which is great. There is a sort of roughness to it ... [young Michael] is just blank in one scene we do, [and we've decided] he'll be completely blank and then my cell phone will go off, which is what happened at rehearsal. It was a friend of mine who said his girlfriend was giving him crap, and I said, "Well look, I'm in the middle of a session, actually. What? Oh really! Well, tell her to go to hell!" [He laughs.] Rob went, "Great, let's use that!" I am very impressed with his cinema sense.

MTV: We know that older Michael is mute, but does young Michael deliver lines?

McDowell: Oh yeah, absolutely ... Michael is this sweet little boy who suddenly just turns evil, and the more angelic he looks, the more horrific the crimes are. He suddenly goes berserk and takes his own family out.

MTV: Fans of the original movies remember the big, over-the-top speeches from Loomis about "I spent eight years trying to reach him, and then another seven trying to keep him locked up!" Will you similarly embrace that melodrama?

McDowell: I get a couple of those yeah, but I'm hoping not to chew too much of the scenery because I'm trying to keep it reasonably real. There is a buffoonish quality to him, which is ridiculous if you look from the outside at him, and that, I think, is quite interesting. For instance, I do a whole lecture about, "These are the eyes of a killer, these are the eyes — they will deceive you, they will destroy you, these are the eyes of a psychopath." We go through a whole thing, and then I come out of the lecture and say to a guy: "They felt like a row of Christmas puddings! And what about that girl in the front row, what the hell was she doing there, spreading her legs? How can you stand it?" It's exactly what lecturers talk about after the fact.

MTV: Pleasence, like yourself, was a well-respected veteran British actor. Did you ever meet him?

McDowell: I did know Donald. I met him in London at the Royal Court Theatre. He was a tremendous actor — he played those wonderful sinister parts. I particularly remember him in two performances: He was in two great plays, one was written by Robert Shaw called "The Man in the Glass Booth" and the other was a [Harold] Pinter play, "The Caretaker."

MTV: Donald Pleasence appeared in five "Halloween" films — how many sequels do you have in you?

McDowell: Well, let's take it one by one and see how we do. If it's a great big success, then I'm sure they will want to make another. And I'm sure I will want to play him again, because he is a great character.

Check out everything we've got on "Halloween." (http://www.vh1.com/movies/movie/301271/moviemain.jhtml)

http://www.vh1.com/movies/news/articles/1556353/story.jhtml

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/Franchise1977/Dourif.jpg


PASADENA, California — At age 24, Brad Dourif made one of Hollywood's all-time classic movie debuts, snagging an Oscar nomination as the tragically confused Billy Bibbit in "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest."

In the decades since, he's carved a unique Hollywood career as a pop-culture Forrest Gump, popping up in everything from TV's "Moonlighting," "The X Files" and "Deadwood" to "Blue Velvet," "Jungle Fever" and some five movies in which he voiced Chucky, the world's most famous bloodthirsty plaything.

Recently, we caught up with Dourif on the front lawn of Michael Myers' home. Ensconced in a Fu Manchu mustache and policeman's uniform, he has once again tapped into the public consciousness, this time joining the cast of Rob Zombie's controversial remake of "Halloween" — a movie he has never even seen (see "Tyler Mane Hopes To Be 'Scariest Michael Ever' In Rob Zombie's 'Halloween' " (http://www.vh1.com/movies/news/articles/1555847/20070328/story.jhtml)). The affable Hollywood original gave us his unfiltered thoughts on the blood-soaked set, the expanded importance of his character Sheriff Brackett, and why Chucky might be invading your nightmares again really soon.

MTV: The scene you're about to shoot has you acting opposite Tyler Mane as the new Michael Myers, Malcolm McDowell as Dr. Loomis, and 18-year-old Scout Taylor-Compton stepping into the shoes of Jamie Lee Curtis. How is she doing as Laurie Strode?

Brad Dourif: Well, did you see her tonight? Was she not scary? There were a couple takes where I was really terrified. I was really ready to blow [Michael Myers] away. [He shouldn't] treat people like that.

MTV: Jamie Lee gained fame as "The Scream Queen," so tell us: How does Scout's scream measure up?

Dourif: She's good. I'd give her a 9.5 minimum, and I haven't even heard her best scream yet.

MTV: While fans of the original "Halloween" will remember there being a Sheriff Brackett, they probably won't remember him doing very much. Is it safe to say that Rob Zombie has beefed up your character significantly?

Dourif: Oh yeah. Now, the sheriff and Dr. Loomis are really two opposites. The sheriff is a very practical, extremely down-to-earth person, and Loomis is not. Now [the sheriff is] the voice of power.

MTV: So will we be seeing the aftermath of how you're affected by your daughter Annie's death at the hands of Michael Myers?

Dourif: Hold on — am I actually allowed to say what happens? I don't think so.

MTV: Well, everybody knows that she dies in the original movie.

Dourif: Yeah. Well, there is a scene ... I do have a daughter, and there is a scene where things happen to her. I will say that.

MTV: And we'll get to see you dealing with the aftermath of those "things"?

Dourif: The sheriff is very human, and the sheriff in this one certainly represents a sense of reality. I didn't see the first "Halloween," to tell you the truth, but I think this one is about innocence and family. In a certain way, Michael Myers is an innocent. In a second way, he's somebody who desperately wanted a family. And the third thing about him is that he is a monster, in every horrible sense of that word. There is no argument that he is going to kill you.

MTV: Rob has surrounded you guys with some huge horror icons: Udo Kier, Dee Wallace Stone, Ken Foree ...

Dourif: Are you suggesting I'm not a horror icon? I'm a horror icon! I'm Chucky!

MTV: Absolutely, you are one too. But I was going to ask how all these Fangoria-friendly people have enhanced the experience.

Dourif: You know, Rob has every reason to be a snot — and somehow he is just not. He is very laid back, he is wide open, and yet he is very specific about what he wants. Every time I go in, I'm very clear about what I need to do, what my job is. I feel very much a part of the movie for that reason.

MTV: What are you most looking forward to seeing from this movie?

Dourif: Let me put it to you this way: I did not see the first "Halloween," and I ain't seeing this one for the exact same reason — it's too scary for me! There is no way, even at gunpoint. I ain't going in there.

MTV: What has been your favorite scene to film thus far?

Dourif: I had a great scene with my daughter that I liked a lot. Then, of course, I'm really lucky to be working with one of my heroes, Malcolm McDowell, as well. I've done a couple of scenes I really, really like with him.

MTV: You're a busy man these days. What other projects have you been up to?

Dourif: I can't even remember them all. I did about seven movies last year, and I think we are going to do a few more "Deadwood" episodes. We are going to start shooting those probably in the summer.

MTV: And, obviously, you possess one of the most famous voices in horror. So when are we going to see Chucky strike again?

Dourif: Oh man, I love Chucky because he enjoys his work. The idea that recently got put to me is the best idea yet. I hope like hell we get to do it. There is no specific [contract in place], but there is just a wallop of a good idea.

MTV: Can you give us even a hint of what that idea is?

Dourif: [He laughs.] No, I ain't saying nothing more than that. It just takes a wild turn. I think one of the floating titles is "Chucky Goes Nuts." Basically, something happens that makes Chucky really crazy.

MTV: Is there a director in line?

Dourif: It'd be the same as the last one [Don Mancini]. He's the writer and creator of Chucky as well.

MTV: Much like you and Rob are currently attempting with "Halloween," the "Child's Play" films underwent a massive reinvention in the late '90s. Do you prefer to do horror movies that strive to be something more than a sequel for sequel's sake?

Dourif: Definitely. "The Bride of Chucky" is my favorite of those films. There was something wonderfully camp about it. ... I was shocked when the two dolls had sex. Even though we had done all the voice work, it was really weird to see it. It was the closest to real sex I'd had in a while.



This report is from MTV News.

Muse
04-07-2007, 02:39 PM
About this only being a teaser trailer… I’m not the only person who thought the trailer showed way more than I expected it too, right? I only expected maybe a few shots of Michael, Laurie and Loomis and a voiceover and stuff… not as many clips and defiantly not as fast paced and as “in your face” as the teaser we got. :D

Nope, your not the only one who thought that. After watching it my very first thought was "wait, wasn't this meant to be a teaser?". I remember a few years back seeing a trailer for Scooby Doo, and it was built up in a dark mansion going through corridors and then a shot of the dog, only, it was made to look like Batman, then bam, lightning and it turns out to be the dog. Now that's a teaser. This is basically a shorter version of a final trailer, and doesn't seem too "teaser" to me.

Anyway, i'm going to apologise now for this been in the discussion thread and not trailer so i'm going to ask that no one respond to this and that they let the none trailer discussion carry on.



And while i'm here, i'll just put a quick word in. Wow. This movies looking fantastic. Each new thing that's released makes it look all the more spectacular. Rob's style seems to be working well for it (from whats been released) and, as much as it defy's my plan of going into the movie with no expectations at all, I must say, I think it's going to turn out great. But saying that, i'm still doing my best to try and limit positive thought, just in case :)

TheShape'78
04-07-2007, 03:06 PM
I'm not a dude.

that's besides the point.

plus, if you knew me i call everyone dude (regardless of sex, it's a habit of mine, so don't get too offended).

-mitch-

mannylb88
04-07-2007, 03:08 PM
is it me or does it feel like Christmas around here?

EvilOnTwoLegs
04-07-2007, 05:14 PM
LMAO. I can't stop laughing at this post. THIZ MOVIZ GUNNA SUK!@#$%^
YEah, No DOubT, d00D! WAt a lOAd oF ShiT!!!!!!1!111!!!! THiS mOvIE iS 4 SuXOrS!!!111!1!1!!!!!1



I'm so depressed about the violence against animals in this film....Why, why, why, why so much.......Yea, honestly, I care more about any animal being killed in this movie than any person. I've said similar things on other horror message boards, and I was flamed. I can't even stand eating chocolate Easter bunnies, so I don't know how I'll handle this...
Well, if you're more concerned about the deaths of animals than people, you're fucked in the head. :p :D

And I don't know where you've been, but from what I hear, all that's been taken out, anyway. Unlike the original, where Michael kills two dogs. And eats one, to boot.



that's besides the point.

plus, if you knew me i call everyone dude (regardless of sex, it's a habit of mine, so don't get too offended).

-mitch-
Yeah, I call everyone "dude" and "man," too...I don't discriminate based on gender. :D

Todd
04-07-2007, 05:35 PM
I wish they'd of kept him as a normal kid who just all the sudden kills his sister instead of a psychopath from the start.

But I guess that's all apart of the re-imagining.
That was my major misgiving, too.
It seemed more mysterious that Michael had been a normal kid who suddenly and inexplicably did something extremly abnormal. The more I thought about the approach Rob Zombie is taking, though, the more I liked it. We'll be able to compare and contrast the two versions of Michaels "origin". On the one hand, a normal kid who suddenly goes bonkers. On the other, a kid who is slowly turned into a psychopath by abuse.

Siouxsie
04-07-2007, 05:36 PM
Well, if you're more concerned about the deaths of animals than people, you're fucked in the head.

Yea, I've heard that a million times.

I'm so gonna be banned.

Siouxsie
04-07-2007, 05:39 PM
And I don't know where you've been, but from what I hear, all that's been taken out, anyway. Unlike the original, where Michael kills two dogs. And eats one, to boot.

Well they only SHOWED one death of an animal. Plus-this is gonna sound stupid-the death of the dog that is showed is atleast kind of tasteful. The killings described in the script for this one are just brutal and disturbing.

EvilOnTwoLegs
04-07-2007, 05:39 PM
Yea, I've heard that a million times.

I'm so gonna be banned.
Banned? Bah!

If they banned people just for being fucked in the head, I woulda been shitcanned about four years ago...if not earlier. :D

leechcode5
04-07-2007, 05:45 PM
Well, if you're more concerned about the deaths of animals than people, you're fucked in the head. :p :D

And I don't know where you've been, but from what I hear, all that's been taken out, anyway. Unlike the original, where Michael kills two dogs. And eats one, to boot.


I don't wanna offend you Siouxsie, but I gotta agree with that. I love animals as much as anyone else, but I always find it weird when people get more upset about a pet dying than a human being. Granted, if my dog got killed I'd probably cry my eyes out over it, but still, a human life should hold way more value.

And like EvilOnTwoLegs said, Michael killed a dog in the original, ate another... I don't recall anyone here being offended by that. And hell, he killed Jamie's dog in H4, and her new dog in H5 as well (maybe her foster parents should have just gotten her a goldfish or something). And then there was the half eaten rat in Resurrection....animals have never been safe from Michael. I keep hearing people mentioning they're upset or disappointed in things that are supposedly different in this new one, when those things actually were in the series already, and it confuses the heck out of me.

Siouxsie
04-07-2007, 05:49 PM
If an animal dies naturally or from a sickness, I wouldn't be WAAAYYY upset unless I was close to it. But if an animal is killed, like purposely, not like being ran over by a car by accident, then that makes me really, really, really, really sad.

mcilroga
04-07-2007, 05:49 PM
Why is it you don't feel the least bit upset when a person dies in a horror film, but in a drama, you're in tears (well, the girls are, anyway. ;))? Is that all it takes, a sappy musical cue to be a blubbering mess? Heh.

Also, animals shouldn't be put before actual people, but some are too sensitive towards them because they're 'defenseless.'

Siouxsie
04-07-2007, 05:51 PM
I don't know why I'm more upset at an animal dieing. I would have explained that already when I first said that I care more about the pets than the people.

I rarely, rarely cry when a person dies in a film because I know it's not real.

But why I'm upset when It's an animal not dieing for real I don't know. I kind of just try to forget that kind of stuff happens, and then when I see it in a film, it just reminds me.

__________________________________________________ ____________________
ANYWAY, I'm really interested in all the new charecters. From the pictures I've seen of Cheri Moons charecter, she doesn't look much like a stripper to me but like a folk singer.

EvilOnTwoLegs
04-07-2007, 05:55 PM
I don't wanna offend you Siouxsie, but I gotta agree with that. I love animals as much as anyone else, but I always find it weird when people get more upset about a pet dying than a human being. Granted, if my dog got killed I'd probably cry my eyes out over it, but still, a human life should hold way more value.

And like EvilOnTwoLegs said, Michael killed a dog in the original, ate another... I don't recall anyone here being offended by that. And hell, he killed Jamie's dog in H4, and her new dog in H5 as well (maybe her foster parents should have just gotten her a goldfish or something). And then there was the half eaten rat in Resurrection....animals have never been safe from Michael. I keep hearing people mentioning they're upset or disappointed in things that are supposedly different in this new one, when those things actually were in the series already, and it confuses the heck out of me.
Hey, I'm a guy who loves animals, myself. I was severely fucked up when my rats died. But that's beside the point. I once got into a debate with a guy who said that animal life was "more valuable than human life." But he also said that he wasn't a vegetarian. So I asked him if he was also a cannibal...and if not, why did he only eat beings whose lives were more valuable. He had no answer for that, and promptly shut the fuck up.

And yes...it's true. Myers has never been very ASPCA-friendly. Truth is, of the "Big Three" in the slasher realm (Michael, Jason, Freddy), I'd say Myers kills the most housepets. And eats them raw. Let's face it...Michael's just...a little fucked up that way. Having Myers kill animals would not be anything new...but from what I've heard recently, Zombie's film won't include any "animal cruelty." Only intense human suffering. So we can all sleep a little better at night, knowing that. :p :D



I don't know why I'm more upset at an animal dieing. I would have explained that already when I first said that I care more about the pets than the people.

I rarely, rarely cry when a person dies in a film because I know it's not real.

But why I'm upset when It's an animal not dieing for real I don't know. I kind of just try to forget that kind of stuff happens, and then when I see it in a film, it just reminds me.
So...you try to forget that animals die, but you don't mind being reminded that humans die all the time? I find this viewpoint immeasurably interesting...simply because it's completely unfathomable to me.

But you're right...we should get back to the topic at hand. What was it again? haha

Bogatyri
04-07-2007, 05:55 PM
Can we get back on topic please.

Todd
04-07-2007, 06:00 PM
Can we get back on topic please.
Can I ask exactly what it is you think is being talked about?
It looks to me like people are discussing RZ's Halloween.
I know I'm getting older, but I'm pretty sure that's what we're supposed to be doing in this thread, no?

EvilOnTwoLegs
04-07-2007, 06:10 PM
Can we get back on topic please.
Since you asked nicely...NO!

Try being a prick next time...you'll get better results. :p


Anyone think the green logo has something to do with the Boogeyman?

See? On-topic discussion ain't that great, either.

freethy
04-07-2007, 06:15 PM
haha, funny shit. And whats with the ROB ZOMBIE CAUSES CANCER thing? thats funny shit too.

Franchise
04-07-2007, 06:16 PM
Wow. I didn't realize the staff added a new member! Congrats, Bogawhatever!

EvilOnTwoLegs
04-07-2007, 06:20 PM
haha, funny shit. And whats with the ROB ZOMBIE CAUSES CANCER thing? thats funny shit too.
"Rob Zombie Causes Cancer" is a catchphrase invented by TJ, and exploited by me. :D He gets 20% royalties on every cent I make from its use. So far, that amounts to...well...nothing. But hey, all that nothing adds up over time. :nodsmile:

freethy
04-07-2007, 06:22 PM
"Rob Zombie Causes Cancer" is a catchphrase invented by TJ, and exploited by me. :D He gets 20% royalties on every cent I make from its use. So far, that amounts to...well...nothing. But hey, all that nothing adds up over time. :nodsmile:
Glad to see you have thought this through haha!

EvilOnTwoLegs
04-07-2007, 06:33 PM
Glad to see you have thought this through haha!
My mama didn't raise no dummies! :D



Well...except that one. But he turned out okay.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b390/jamesoblivion/crashdum2.jpg

mcilroga
04-07-2007, 07:14 PM
Wow. I didn't realize the staff added a new member! Congrats, Bogawhatever!

Funky shit's been abrewin' since you stepped down, Mike. :D

chrisstilwell
04-07-2007, 07:33 PM
She has a myspace? Whats her address?

I too would love to know Danielle Harris's myspace address, I wouldn't mind adding her to my friends on there, and getting the chance to possibly talk to her.

Andre3000
04-07-2007, 07:39 PM
I think I found it.
http://www.myspace.com/danielleandreaharris

Eric616
04-07-2007, 09:06 PM
There is a interview on BD with Scout Taylor-Compton. http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/feature/353

EvilOnTwoLegs
04-07-2007, 09:09 PM
There is a interview on BD with Scout Taylor-Compton. http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/feature/353
News...so......old............mind................ rejecting it.

Eric616
04-07-2007, 09:11 PM
Yeah i just read it, and noticed that it was old. Even though they siad it was new.

EvilOnTwoLegs
04-07-2007, 09:19 PM
Yeah i just read it, and noticed that it was old. Even though they siad it was new.
Yeah...they can be bitches like that.

Man In Black
04-07-2007, 10:13 PM
I think I found it.
http://www.myspace.com/danielleandreaharris

Yes, thats the one.

SicDarko
04-07-2007, 11:06 PM
not to knock the new logo for the message board, but I wanna see if I can duplicate the actuall logo from the movie with the cloud effect intact without making it seem to shitty. see what I can come up with later , cause I am drunk now. Talk to you all in the morning. peace.

Franchise
04-07-2007, 11:24 PM
I do believe you've been beaten to it, Sic. Just relax on Easter and let your hangover take care of itself.

Dark Empire
04-08-2007, 01:16 AM
BD: Does that play a pivotal role later in the film?

STC: Yeah, because that's the only thing he remembers and he knows so throughout the film when he's chasing me and stuff there's a scene down in the basement where he's saying that to me and I don't know what he's talking about, because I was a baby


Great, he talks :malakia:


http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/feature/353

leechcode5
04-08-2007, 01:18 AM
Great, you went to the trouble of spoilering the quote, and then giving away what it says two lines down. :cyawesome:

EDIT: There ya go. ;)

Dark Empire
04-08-2007, 01:26 AM
blahhh ... thought I had it in the spoiler quotes, cheers.

Thurisaz
04-08-2007, 01:29 AM
BD: Does that play a pivotal role later in the film?

STC: Yeah, because that's the only thing he remembers and he knows so throughout the film when he's chasing me and stuff there's a scene down in the basement where he's saying that to me and I don't know what he's talking about, because I was a baby


Great, he talks :malakia:


http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/feature/353

Good, I was hoping that scene was still in because it worked really well in the original script and someone had said it had been taken out.

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 01:31 AM
attempted to go to sleep, got impatient

leechcode5
04-08-2007, 01:37 AM
Good, I was hoping that scene was still in because it worked really well in the original script and someone had said it had been taken out.

Me too. If it plays like it did in my head it'll be awesome.

EDIT: Man Dark Empire, you can't go five seconds without spoilin' that tonight, can ya buddy ;)

Dark Empire
04-08-2007, 01:40 AM
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wyatt s
04-08-2007, 01:47 AM
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I didn't read the script either, mainly cause i can't find the damn thing!!
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Lucifer
04-08-2007, 01:50 AM
I didn't read the script either, mainly cause i can't find the damn thing!!
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Thurisaz
04-08-2007, 01:53 AM
Am I gonna have to put up the big spoiler tag post again folks?

Oh screw it.




Spoilers are allowed, but specific plot points must be posted with spoiler tags. When you go to the reply screen, click on the red S icon and that will provide you with spoiler tags.

Here's an example of what should be tagged and what should not be:

__________________________________________________ __________

The following statements would not be spoilers:
Malcolm McDowell is going to play Loomis!

I hear the mask is gonna look the same as the original in this movie!

I'm not happy with direction this movie is going, it sounds too gory and Michael is completely humanized in this film!

__________________________________________________ __________

The following statements would be spoilers:
Michael slices Judith up with a chainsaw in this movie!

The script says Loomis runs over Michael 12 times in a Hummer!

I really don't like the Rob Zombie cameo scene where he stabs John Carpenter and dances on his dead body :(

__________________________________________________ __________

Of course those are all fake, but you get the picture.

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 01:53 AM
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Lucifer
04-08-2007, 01:57 AM
Opps didnt realise

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 01:59 AM
sorry, didn't think when i joined the conversation

Thurisaz
04-08-2007, 02:02 AM
It's cool, luckily not many people are on and someone was here to remove it.

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 02:06 AM
so I've been thinking,
can any one give any actuall reason for myers having a brown jump suit instead of the blue. I like the brownishgreen, but it seems pretty random doesn't it?

Thurisaz
04-08-2007, 02:10 AM
so I've been thinking,
can any one give any actuall reason for myers having a brown jump suit instead of the blue. I like the brownishgreen, but it seems pretty random doesn't it?

Isn't that the point? It's SUPPOSED to be random. And since we've all seen stills and the trailer I don't think that really constitutes a spoiler.

Dark Empire
04-08-2007, 02:12 AM
I would say he gets the new one after a killing spree in the institution, unlike the original where he escapes with practically nothing on

Thurisaz
04-08-2007, 02:14 AM
How he gets it is really not the point here. The point is that he likely wasn't picky and decided not to wait for a big guy in a blue jumpsuit when the brown was available to him.

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 02:14 AM
Isn't that the point? It's SUPPOSED to be random. And since we've all seen stills and the trailer I don't think that really constitutes a spoiler.

I new be patient with me, any way
I realize it is supposed to be random, atleast the whole finding the jumpsuit thing anyway, but it seems strange to me that somebody would randomly change the color. It's almost as if zombie just said to himself "well if I'm really gonna make it my own I'd better change as much as possible that won't piss absolutely everyone off"

Thurisaz
04-08-2007, 02:19 AM
I new be patient with me, any way
I realize it is supposed to be random, atleast the whole finding the jumpsuit thing anyway, but it seems strange to me that somebody would randomly change the color. It's almost as if zombie just said to himself "well if I'm really gonna make it my own I'd better change as much as possible that won't piss absolutely everyone off"

Well, if you're fishing for an explanation like that I have one for you. The brown jumpsuit simply looks great with fresh and dried blood on it. Much better than I can imagine a blue one looking. Although we've never been able to see that since Michael has always managed to kill folks without getting bloody somehow.

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 02:23 AM
actually i was just thinking about it, as i looked at the stills, and i think i've found the answer. Zombie has stated rather generically that he wanted to go back to when the character wasn't the icon it is today, does anyone think it's entirely possibly he wanted people, atleast subconciously, to not instantly recognize the character in a way.

Butchered_victim
04-08-2007, 02:25 AM
I think it's coming together great. I was very impressed by the trailer. Rob is going to resurrect this franchise especially after that trainwreck H:R.

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 02:28 AM
it's ironic i think that after H:R people are now looking to the remake to "resurrect" the series

Thurisaz
04-08-2007, 02:32 AM
actually i was just thinking about it, as i looked at the stills, and i think i've found the answer. Zombie has stated rather generically that he wanted to go back to when the character wasn't the icon it is today, does anyone think it's entirely possibly he wanted people, atleast subconciously, to not instantly recognize the character in a way.

Oh, I'm sure those familiar easily recognized him.

Butchered_victim
04-08-2007, 02:32 AM
it's ironic i think that after H:R people are now looking to the remake to "resurrect" the series

Haha, actually it is.:bastard:

Dark Empire
04-08-2007, 02:32 AM
Halloween 6 left an opening for a new storyline but that was destroyed after H20 and H:R .. I rather have Zombies film even though I am not really for it then a continuation to the H20 or H:R storyline.

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 02:36 AM
Oh, I'm sure those familiar easily recognized him.

well yes, you're entirely right he is pretty unmistakeable, what i mean is you think maybe he wanted us to have a moment of "Is that who i think it is" ever so briefly.

More accurately i wonder if zombie's idea was to take away some of our familiarity with the character as we've known him in the past at first sight. to lessen the sort of iconic status. It's just a thought i had

Butchered_victim
04-08-2007, 02:39 AM
We haven't discussed box office in here yet. I think it has a lot of potential. I thought the teaser trailer was brilliant. The highest grossing film in the series thus far is Halloween H20 with $55 million. I don't think this one will measure up to that, but it has a shot. It doesn't have star power like H20 did with Jamie Lee Curtis, but Rob Zombie's name will definitely help it a little. I think it can make upwards of $40 million, which is very good.

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 02:41 AM
We haven't discussed box office in here yet. I think it has a lot of potential. I thought the teaser trailer was brilliant. The highest grossing film in the series thus far is Halloween H20 with $55 million. I don't think this one will measure up to that, but it has a shot. It doesn't have star power like H20 did with Jamie Lee Curtis, but Rob Zombie's name will definitely help it a little. I think it can make upwards of $40 million, which is very good.

I doubt it, i think we're looking more at 25million mark. The taste of resurrection is still pretty strong, despite the fact that it has no real association with this film

Butchered_victim
04-08-2007, 02:43 AM
I doubt it, i think we're looking more at 25million mark. The taste of resurrection is still pretty strong, despite the fact that it has no real association with this film

That's absurd! 25 million? That is way too low! I don't care how terrible Resurrection was this remake is very anticipated by fans of the franchise, and I guarantee it will appeal to a lot of people that are just fans of the horror genre in general. It's more likely that it will have a $25 opening, than a $25 finish. Just my two cents.

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 02:46 AM
That's absurd! 25 million? That is way too low! I don't care how terrible Resurrection was this remake is very anticipated by fans of the franchise, and I guarantee it will appeal to a lot of people that are just fans of the horror genre in general. It's more likely that it will have a $25 opening, than a $25 finish. Just my two cents.

firstly, i unfortunately believe that this isn't as hottly anticipated as we'd like to believe it is. there's a lot of fans and main stream audience members who'll wait for dvd

Secondly, i'm taking into consideration the only known name in this at all is Rob Zombie. and none of his films have cracked the twenty million mark at the boxoffice. Believe me i'd love to be wrong in this !

Butchered_victim
04-08-2007, 02:48 AM
firstly, i unfortunately believe that this isn't as hottly anticipated as we'd like to believe it is. there's a lot of fans and main stream audience members who'll wait for dvd

Secondly, i'm taking into consideration the only known name in this at all is Rob Zombie. and none of his films have cracked the twenty million mark at the boxoffice. Believe me i'd love to be wrong in this !

Haha, I am being a little biased here. Wishful thinking anyone?:)

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 02:49 AM
I'll make an amend in reconcideration, It'll probably hit some where closer to 30 million maybe. Not much more than that. But i will say i expect dvd sales to be pretty steller

Butchered_victim
04-08-2007, 02:52 AM
I'll make an amend in reconcideration, It'll probably hit some where closer to 30 million maybe. Not much more than that. But i will say i expect dvd sales to be pretty steller

It has to at least make more than Resurrection. If not than it would be a total travesty. I think it will pass it up though. I'm hoping the word of mouth will be strong. That really does help with a lot of movies.

leechcode5
04-08-2007, 02:55 AM
I'll make an amend in reconcideration, It'll probably hit some where closer to 30 million maybe. Not much more than that. But i will say i expect dvd sales to be pretty steller

And that's what will really matter. This movie can do only so-so in theaters, but if the DVD really sells, than the powers that be will still consider it a success and likely greenlight another Halloween. More and more these days theatrical runs are just becoming extended advertisement for the eventual DVD release.

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 02:56 AM
It has to at least make more than Resurrection. If not than it would be a total travesty. I think it will pass it up though. I'm hoping the word of mouth will be strong. That really does help with a lot of movies.

unfortunately H:R did actually make $37,664,855 according to boxoffice mojo, so that would be sort of difficult but we can hope. Hell I'll be honest I fully Expect the TCM remake to bomb, and it damn well should have to but that's another story, so i could be totally wrong here

Dark Empire
04-08-2007, 02:57 AM
Zombies film made close to 20 million now add in the Halloween crowd and you have a film making close to what H20 made.

Butchered_victim
04-08-2007, 02:57 AM
And that's what will really matter. This movie can do only so-so in theaters, but if the DVD really sells, than the powers that be will still consider it a success and likely greenlight another Halloween. More and more these days theatrical runs are just becoming extended advertisement for the eventual DVD release.

And I think that's really sad. They need to make some changes with movie theaters in the future to make them more appealing, and more like they were 10 years ago. Some vibrating seats would be nice.

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 02:58 AM
And that's what will really matter. This movie can do only so-so in theaters, but if the DVD really sells, than the powers that be will still consider it a success and likely greenlight another Halloween. More and more these days theatrical runs are just becoming extended advertisement for the eventual DVD release.

ofcourse then we'd have to worry about the strait to DvD Sequels, which i don't know if you've noticed, but the quality of those films are usaully terrible.

Butchered_victim
04-08-2007, 03:00 AM
ofcourse then we'd have to worry about the strait to DvD Sequels, which i don't know if you've noticed, but the quality of those films are usaully terrible.

Oh yes, I totally agree. Those films are a no go for me. I never waste my time renting those pieces of shit films.

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 03:02 AM
Oh yes, I totally agree. Those films are a no go for me. I never waste my time renting those pieces of shit films.

What do you mean "waste time" I do care if it's horrible film "Wedding Slashers" is the most enjoyable experience of my life. and we can't forget the greatness of Walking tall 2 starring Kevin Sorbo now can we

Butchered_victim
04-08-2007, 03:03 AM
What do you mean "waste time" I do care if it's horrible film "Wedding Slashers" is the most enjoyable experience of my life. and we can't forget the greatness of Walking tall 2 starring Kevin Sorbo now can we

Dude, please tell me that is sarcasm that I detect?

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 03:04 AM
Dude, please tell me that is sarcasm that I detect?

I be entirely offended if you didn't detect it

Butchered_victim
04-08-2007, 03:05 AM
I be entirely offended if you didn't detect it

:roflmao:

Well now I can sleep in peace.:)

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 03:08 AM
I do wonder what the boxoffice potential would have been if say everything was the same, zombie and all, but they had been able to convince carpenter to "executive produce" (which basically means put your name on a film but not actually do anything) like they did with the fog remake

leechcode5
04-08-2007, 03:09 AM
ofcourse then we'd have to worry about the strait to DvD Sequels, which i don't know if you've noticed, but the quality of those films are usaully terrible.

Oh I doubt it would mean a straight to DVD sequel. So long as it isn't an absolute bomb in theaters, and does well on DVD, then there will likely be another Halloween hitting theaters a few years later.


And I think that's really sad. They need to make some changes with movie theaters in the future to make them more appealing, and more like they were 10 years ago. Some vibrating seats would be nice.

They can start by offering better food in the lobby, blocking cell phone reception, and not letting parents bring their screaming two year olds in ;) But no matter, I'll still be in the nearest theater on opening day hoping there aren't a bunch of dipshits ruining my experience.

On the other hand, those very dipshits were the ones that made my theater experience seeing Halloween Resurrection awesome. It was literally like a huge scale live action MST3K that night, and it actually made the movie enjoyable. :laugh:

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 03:11 AM
Oh I doubt it would mean a straight to DVD sequel. So long as it isn't an absolute bomb in theaters, and does well on DVD, then there will likely be another Halloween hitting theaters a few years later.

good point but not necessarily so, at one point when Kevin smith made jay and silent bob strike back and it made 30 million at the boxoffice the dvd made 35 and the wienstiens did try to get him to make him to make strait to dvd films (according to his blog) and remember the wienstiens still head up dimension i believe

Dark Empire
04-08-2007, 03:13 AM
good point but not necessarily so, at one point when Kevin smith made jay and silent bob strike back and it made 30 million at the boxoffice the dvd made 35 and the wienstiens did try to get him to make him to make strait to dvd films (according to his blog) and remember the wienstiens still head up dimension i believe

Let's compare Jay and Silent Bob to Halloween ... oh god.

Butchered_victim
04-08-2007, 03:15 AM
Oh I doubt it would mean a straight to DVD sequel. So long as it isn't an absolute bomb in theaters, and does well on DVD, then there will likely be another Halloween hitting theaters a few years later.



They can start by offering better food in the lobby, blocking cell phone reception, and not letting parents bring their screaming two year olds in ;) But no matter, I'll still be in the nearest theater on opening day hoping there aren't a bunch of dipshits ruining my experience.

On the other hand, those very dipshits were the ones that made my theater experience seeing Halloween Resurrection awesome. It was literally like a huge scale live action MST3K that night, and it actually made the movie enjoyable. :laugh:

LMFAO! Those are all amazing suggestions. We need to hire you to make these changes pronto!

leechcode5
04-08-2007, 03:15 AM
good point but not necessarily so, at one point when Kevin smith made jay and silent bob strike back and it made 30 million at the boxoffice the dvd made 35 and the wienstiens did try to get him to make him to make strait to dvd films (according to his blog) and remember the wienstiens still head up dimension i believe

Actually he mentioned that in the last Evening with Kevin Smith DVD. He actually said in the future direct to DVD might actually be a better way to market films. But as for now, those kinds of numbers are still considered profitable enough to warrant a theatrical release. After all, Clerks 2 didn't end up direct to DVD did it? :)


LMFAO! Those are all amazing suggestions. We need to hire you to make these changes pronto!

There aparantly are newer theater chains that do those kinds of things, and are aparantly becoming quite popular. Unfortunately there aren't any in my state. :( Hell, my town doesn't even HAVE a theater, the nearest one is a couple towns over. If it ain't playing there in August and I have to drive to fucking Reno I'm gonna be pissed. :cylargh:

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 03:15 AM
Let's compare Jay and Silent Bob to Halloween ... oh god.

um dude it was no comparison it was a hypothetical reaction to a statement to annalyze a possible reaction to mediocre boxoffice and high dvd sales based on a relatively credible source.

Butchered_victim
04-08-2007, 03:16 AM
Let's not argue in here guys. Just keep it friendly. :)

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 03:17 AM
Actually he mentioned that in the last Evening with Kevin Smith DVD. He actually said in the future direct to DVD might actually be a better way to market films. But as for now, those kinds of numbers are still considered profitable enough to warrant a theatrical release. After all, Clerks 2 didn't end up direct to DVD did it? :)

that's true, I'm just trying to point out that what i suggested isn't entirely unfathomable

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 03:32 AM
aside from boxoffice though, what i'm really more interested in is what the critics reaction will be. As we all know most critics loved halloween,or atleast eventually did, but they've been rather split when it comes to zombies films. Especially house of 1000 corpses, Devil's being slightly more widely excepted

Butchered_victim
04-08-2007, 03:36 AM
Reviews don't matter to me. It's going to get butchered like every other horror film in the past good or not. Sure they will be interesting, but the box office interests me a lot more. I wonder what Roger "fat ass" Ebert will think of it.

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 03:39 AM
Reviews don't matter to me. It's going to get butchered like every other horror film in the past good or not. Sure they will be interesting, but the box office interests me a lot more. I wonder what Roger "fat ass" Ebert will think of it.

ebert tends to be wrong a lot, but um he did like Zombie's films a lot. Also why I'm really interested in the reviews is this. If the reviews are pretty good, it may very well affect the boxoffice success, and even if it doesn't there are a lot of sequels that get made soley because of critical success and not boxoffice performance
just a thought

leechcode5
04-08-2007, 03:40 AM
Reviews don't matter to me. It's going to get butchered like every other horror film in the past good or not. Sure they will be interesting, but the box office interests me a lot more. I wonder what Roger "fat ass" Ebert will think of it.

I for the most part agree. Horror movies do have a hard time with critics, whether they're good or not. This movie, regardless of how good or bad it really is, will likely get it's share of bad reviews. Then again, most critics are just people who TRIED to be filmmakers but had no luck or talent themselves, so I never take what they say too seriously anyways. ;)

Ebert though, I'll likely want to read his review. Even though I disagree with him a good deal sometimes he's usually at least somewhat entertaining to read.

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 03:42 AM
Ebert though, I'll likely want to read his review. Even though I disagree with him a good deal sometimes he's usually at least somewhat entertaining to read.

I disagree with ebert a lot, but i have to say in reading his reviews he's really one of the only guys around who seems to be enjoy what he's doing and genuinly love film, so that i appreciate

Butchered_victim
04-08-2007, 03:47 AM
I disagree with ebert a lot, but i have to say in reading his reviews he's really one of the only guys around who seems to be enjoy what he's doing and genuinly love film, so that i appreciate

Oh yes his reviews are always a joy to read.

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 03:50 AM
there's a thought i just had and nobody is discussing it
in the trailer, and i know i should really probably go to that thread but this ties in i think, you can very clearly see michaels eyes. i remember this being a pretty hot button issue yet nobody really has commented on it yet... I gues I personally don't really care but i'm sure it must piss off a lot of people

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 04:11 AM
I am going to come to your house and kill ALL of your pets.

wow, you're a bit behind the times, we've moved

EvilOnTwoLegs
04-08-2007, 07:28 AM
unfortunately H:R did actually make $37,664,855 according to boxoffice mojo, so that would be sort of difficult but we can hope. Hell I'll be honest I fully Expect the TCM remake to bomb, and it damn well should have to but that's another story, so i could be totally wrong here
And that makes H:R the biggest financial failure in the history of the Halloween franchise. $37,664,855 isn't much of a figure to beat. Especially since that's the worldwide box office...for a film that had a $15,000,000 budget. It barely doubled its budget in America, and did virtually nothing in international numbers...which is a travesty for a Halloween film.

Bottom Line: If the new film doesn't outperform H:R, Halloween is fucked forever.



wow, you're a bit behind the times, we've moved
You're new, so you may not know this...but Stef is never behind the times. If he's a bit slow in replying to comments on the board, it's because he's busy being a mover and shaker. You know...hanging out with Malek Akkad, visting the set of Zombie's Halloween, writing the official Halloween comics and whatnot. ;)

In short, Stef is the man...not to mention one of the most massively talented members in UHMB/OHMB history. :nodsmile:

MischievousSpirit
04-08-2007, 07:58 AM
You're new, so you may not know this...but Stef is never behind the times. If he's a bit slow in replying to comments on the board, it's because he's busy being a mover and shaker. You know...hanging out with Malek Akkad, visting the set of Zombie's Halloween, writing the official Halloween comics and whatnot. ;)

In short, Stef is the man...not to mention one of the most massively talented members in UHMB/OHMB history. :nodsmile:


Hey! Did you know you're nose is all brown? :asskiss: :jump:

EvilOnTwoLegs
04-08-2007, 08:02 AM
Hey! Did you know you're nose is all brown? :asskiss: :jump:
hahaha Nice...ya jackass. :p



***Mental Note: Experiment failed...never show respect for anyone, ever again***

Joe Kerr
04-08-2007, 08:11 AM
***Mental Note: Experiment failed...never show respect for anyone, ever again***

LMFAO. :up:

EvilOnTwoLegs
04-08-2007, 08:12 AM
LMFAO. :up:
Nothing but heartache, man...learn from my mistake. ;)

mike32
04-08-2007, 08:23 AM
I teaser trailer looks soooooo gooood. Wow I cannot wait, so far I like the new sequences that the film is going to include.

Scanjet
04-08-2007, 08:51 AM
Long Post Alert!

Right just so I can get out the few niggles I have about this film with spoilers/ teaser trailer in mind. After reading a lot of posts I can see there is a divide on this idea of remake and sequel. What would you think if this was a sequel, the child-hood parts could be flash-back to give some more depth to the original and bring it to the modern day audience and they could of brought back the popular Jamie character somehow from six (not sure how that could be done really might be impossible thinking about it) and finally got the ending she deserved.

Another look could be a sequel, new characters and stuff which flash-back, there really is no need for a remake of the film. It could of worked in almost the same way that Rob Zombie has made it and still been a sequel which may have pleased everyone?

Last point is Danielle Harris and when we see this film will anyone else be very happy that she finally got to play out a death scene in a Halloween film after the character was recast in Halloween 6? It seems nice that she can finally do what was needed to be done and from looking at the trailer she still in those few seconds shows how good an actress she really is!

Thats about it me thinks!

Todd
04-08-2007, 08:58 AM
Last point is Danielle Harris and when we see this film will anyone else be very happy that she finally got to play out a death scene in a Halloween film after the character was recast in Halloween 6? It seems nice that she can finally do what was needed to be done and from looking at the trailer she still in those few seconds shows how good an actress she really is!

Thats about it me thinks!
Yes, it will be nice to see Danielle Harris back in the Halloween franchise after having been stupidly replaced in H6. No, J.C Brandy didn't do a bad job, but it was dumb to recast a character that had become so strongly identified with a certain actress.

Dark Empire
04-08-2007, 09:00 AM
Yes, it will be nice to see Danielle Harris back in the Halloween franchise after having been stupidly replaced in H6. No, J.C Brandy didn't do a bad job, but it was dumb to recast a character that had become so strongly identified with a certain actress.

...and a character who was on the COVER of Halloween 5 and who was in 2 sequels!!!!

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 09:08 AM
Long Post Alert!

Right just so I can get out the few niggles I have about this film with spoilers/ teaser trailer in mind. After reading a lot of posts I can see there is a divide on this idea of remake and sequel. What would you think if this was a sequel, the child-hood parts could be flash-back to give some more depth to the original and bring it to the modern day audience and they could of brought back the popular Jamie character somehow from six (not sure how that could be done really might be impossible thinking about it) and finally got the ending she deserved.

Another look could be a sequel, new characters and stuff which flash-back, there really is no need for a remake of the film. It could of worked in almost the same way that Rob Zombie has made it and still been a sequel which may have pleased everyone?

!

see the real problem with that in my opinion, after the entirely overmuddled continuity and lack of motives, there's really no where to go with a sequel anymore.

Scanjet
04-08-2007, 09:12 AM
see the real problem with that in my opinion, after the entirely overmuddled continuity and lack of motives, there's really no where to go with a sequel anymore.

Yes I see you meaing but you could say that about Halloween 2, there was need to carry on after that. I just think remakes are let downs because they never live up to the reputation of the original and I dont wish that on the Halloween films after the uphill struggle it has had.

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 09:16 AM
Yes I see you meaing but you could say that about Halloween 2, there was need to carry on after that. I just think remakes are let downs because they never live up to the reputation of the original and I dont wish that on the Halloween films after the uphill struggle it has had.

everyone is always so down on remakes!
I don't get that i mean cape fear, the departed, The thing, even The Hills Have eyes.(some may disagree on that one) These are all remakes that were really good, but everytime some one thinks of a remake they alway think of the bad ones and i don't know why

MischievousSpirit
04-08-2007, 09:24 AM
...and a character who was on the COVER of Halloween 5 and who was in 2 sequels!!!!

The character of Jamie was in 3 Halloween movies. Danielle was in 2, soon to be 3 Halloween movies. ;)

Scanjet
04-08-2007, 09:24 AM
everyone is always so down on remakes!
I don't get that i mean cape fear, the departed, The thing, even The Hills Have eyes.(some may disagree on that one) These are all remakes that were really good, but everytime some one thinks of a remake they alway think of the bad ones and i don't know why

Yes they might be SOME good remakes but if we have a film why remake it, NEW films should be made with NEW ideas. In a sense remakes are lazy because no ideas can be thought of.

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 09:28 AM
Yes they might be SOME good remakes but if we have a film why remake it, NEW films should be made with NEW ideas. In a sense remakes are lazy because no ideas can be thought of.

that's a legitimate argument, i tend to agree that remakes are lazy and a sign of film makers inabbility to come up with new fresh and original ideas, but in couldn't you say the exact same thing about sequels. esspecially in the case of the halloween franchise. Surely there was more new and inivative ideas in the 90 second trailer than in the all of the last couple of sequels

Scanjet
04-08-2007, 09:33 AM
that's a legitimate argument, i tend to agree that remakes are lazy and a sign of film makers inabbility to come up with new fresh and original ideas, but in couldn't you say the exact same thing about sequels. esspecially in the case of the halloween franchise. Surely there was more new and inivative ideas in the 90 second trailer than in the all of the last couple of sequels

Well I saw many scenes straight from the original film. They were not new ideas but GOOD direction something which was lacking in a majority of Halloween sequels. That 90 second trailer could easily of been a sequel with flash backs to Michaels childhood to connect to the originall and bring all the plot holes and such together in a dramatic and exciting finale!

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 09:38 AM
Well I saw many scenes straight from the original film. They were not new ideas but GOOD direction something which was lacking in a majority of Halloween sequels. That 90 second trailer could easily of been a sequel with flash backs to Michaels childhood to connect to the originall and bring all the plot holes and such together in a dramatic and exciting finale!

there were several scenes from the original in the trailer, i think the thing that still makes them inovative though is how drastically different they are from thier original incarnation in that '78 classic.

I guess if they were going to go with a sequel direction, as you suggest, I'd almost rather they made a prequel. See I'm just really intriqued by zombie's whole take on the backstory, that's what i'm looking forward to most

Dark Empire
04-08-2007, 09:40 AM
The character of Jamie was in 3 Halloween movies. Danielle was in 2, soon to be 3 Halloween movies. ;)

hey smartass thats what I meant !!! haha ...
Yeah Danielle was in 2 ... but u can say 3 if u count the beginning of P-cut!

EvilOnTwoLegs
04-08-2007, 09:43 AM
Long Post Alert!

Right just so I can get out the few niggles I have about this film with spoilers/ teaser trailer in mind. After reading a lot of posts I can see there is a divide on this idea of remake and sequel. What would you think if this was a sequel, the child-hood parts could be flash-back to give some more depth to the original and bring it to the modern day audience and they could of brought back the popular Jamie character somehow from six (not sure how that could be done really might be impossible thinking about it) and finally got the ending she deserved.

Another look could be a sequel, new characters and stuff which flash-back, there really is no need for a remake of the film. It could of worked in almost the same way that Rob Zombie has made it and still been a sequel which may have pleased everyone?

Last point is Danielle Harris and when we see this film will anyone else be very happy that she finally got to play out a death scene in a Halloween film after the character was recast in Halloween 6? It seems nice that she can finally do what was needed to be done and from looking at the trailer she still in those few seconds shows how good an actress she really is!

Thats about it me thinks!
You call that a long post? Amateur. :p haha

Personally, if this were a sequel, I wouldn't be particularly interested. As far as I'm concerned, H:R killed the old series. It actually made me never want to watch a Halloween movie again...aside from those already made, naturally. When everyone on the old UHMB was clamoring for news about H9, I wasn't even paying attention. When everyone got royally pissed off because no news was being released, I shrugged. I really couldn't have cared less about H9. The way I see it, trying to make a sequel to H:R into a good film would be like trying to grow flowers out of a mound of herbicide.

The only reason I'm interested in this project is that its stated goal is to run in the opposite direction, and get the hell away from H:R. A sequel could not do that effectively. Either it would have to retain its ties with H:R, and thus be tainted by the stink of that film...or it would sever all (or virtually all) ties to the previous installment and end up just like H:R, which barely acknowledged any of the previous films, save in the ridiculous prologue. Either way, I wouldn't be particularly interested.

So, for the record, I'm not anticipating this film because Rob Zombie is directing it, nor because I generally enjoy remakes, nor for any other reason except that stated above. If Rob Zombie were directing a sequel, my interest would be at about the same level as it would be if Joe Chappelle decided to give it another try. Absolutely zero. I'm just not interested in sequels anymore, and haven't been since 2002. By the time I joined this board, I was already soured on the idea of H9...and nothing has ever changed that fact.

As for remakes, they can be either good or bad. Most suffer from an uninspired laziness on the part of a director working from someone else's playbook, but there are notable exceptions. To my mind, this new take on the original concept has more potential to yield positive results than yet another installment of the Storyline That Wouldn't Die would have. The sequels had gone straight to hell, in terms of quality and box office viability. H9 likely would have finished the series off for good...and I probably wouldn't have even bothered with it. After the trainwreck that was H:R, I was just fed the fuck up with being taken advantage of. It was perfectly clear that they expected me to just swallow any bullshit that they slapped the Halloween name on. And I wasn't about to prove them right.

samhain51
04-08-2007, 10:32 AM
I Want to start a poll ! What do you guys think are we going to have a sequal to this or is it too early to Tell !!! Good feedback please!!!

Todd
04-08-2007, 10:40 AM
I Want to start a poll ! What do you guys think are we going to have a sequal to this or is it too early to Tell !!! Good feedback please!!!
It's too early, but I'll chime in anyway.
If this movie does well at the box office and in dvd sales, a sequel is all but a certainty. That's not hard to figure out, though. If there is money to be made from a sequel, it will obviously happen. The real question is, will it be worth a damn?

samhain51
04-08-2007, 10:43 AM
The new Halloween to me Looks so good to me I dont Know???

Bogatyri
04-08-2007, 10:48 AM
The new Halloween to me Looks so good to me I dont Know???

WHAT!?!

ghettomyers
04-08-2007, 10:48 AM
from tylers myspace blog

Tyler just posted this in his myspace blog.

Enjoy!






PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW!

People want to know!

What is Michael Myers wearing in the film? Some fans are going to don the outfit for opening day, which I think is cool. So here goes. First of all, throw away the blue coveralls and put the shiny masks down. The new Michael didn't just pull his outfit off the shelf. Mr. Myers had to work for his duds, and so are you if you want to be authentic…SORRY!



If you want to become Michael Myers you're going to have to take your ass to a Carhartt dealer and walk yourself over to the rows of light brown suits and find yourself a pair that fits properly. That's easy, right? In my case, I walked into the fitting room to discover several pairs of CARHARTT brown coveralls staring at me. After trying on several different options that made me look like the Pillsbury dough boy, I was also sweating my ass off. I suggested the lining could be cut out of them seeing as we weren't filming in North Dakota. To get the length right I needed a rather large size (as you know I'm a little taller than the average killer, some of you even bitched about it!) and with the lining was removed Michael Myers looked like he had gastric bypass and his suit hung rather oddly. This is where I take my hat off to the wardrobe department! After plunging several pins deep into the costume and only sticking me-- come to think of it they didn't! I was the lean trim Michael Myers you see in the promos. But wait, you're saying! How did it go from light brown to what it looks like on film, cool and gnarly? That's where the aging process comes in. The production paid a professional that has done this for several different productions, I'm sorry I can't remember his name. The only time I had the pleasure of meeting him he had aging tools and was putting the finishing touches on the costume while I was in it. When you have cheese graters run over your outfit close to certain parts of your body you tend to forget people's names. So…you're going to have to figure that out for yourselves.



Next came a brown, yes brown (light brown to be exact) pair of Carolina work boots, steel-toed. They went through the same aging process as the Carhartt's did. I suggest you use a lot of oil, grease and dirt to achieve the right color of grunge.



Now through away your shiny masks—Actually, don't! Just cover it with dirt, blood and then let it rot for a few years. Okay no time for that, so do what you can…it will be acceptable.

Now for the good stuff, the blood and dirt on the hands of the killer! Wayne Toth and Doug Noe did a fantastic job making me…I mean Michael Myers look like the killing machine he is. To have one of them do your hands and such would probably cost too much, so, here goes. Wayne would put some kind of glue on the back of my knuckles (that he promised would come off easily) followed by tinted corn flakes…you read it right, movie magic, people. Then came quite a bit of fake blood and dirt (Wayne's concoctions, Squirty DirtTM and Squirty BloodTM) and the killer was ready for the set!

Wayne may sell the Squirty Dirt and Squirty Blood you can contact him on his My space at the Halloween Town in my top ten.

Good luck with your Michael Myers costumes! I just want to say, often imitated but never duplicated. In other words, play nice because I didn't!



Quote of the day!

It's a dog eat dog world out there, don't be wearing milk bone shorts!

Tyler out!



P.S. Did you see the trailer yet? Killer!

samhain51
04-08-2007, 10:52 AM
WHAT!?!

It was a type o. I got um good english. Cut me some slack,I used to be a jock!!!

Bogatyri
04-08-2007, 11:02 AM
I used to be a jock!!!

As was I. Heh

samhain51
04-08-2007, 11:05 AM
Did you play football I know you Ohio baoys are real good at football

Bogatyri
04-08-2007, 11:12 AM
Did you play football I know you Ohio baoys are real good at football
Actually I am originally from Georgia. Yes, I was a Wide Receiver and I ran track.

The Kilted One
04-08-2007, 12:41 PM
Actually I am originally from Georgia. Yes, I was a Wide Receiver and I ran track.

What do you know... I'm from GA also... that said, interesting wardrobe info from TM- no speculation on what brand of overalls/boots to wear, necessary.

Dark Empire
04-08-2007, 12:50 PM
What the hell does that have to do with a Halloween Discussion?

devils-eyes
04-08-2007, 12:53 PM
to the sequal question: yes i think they'll defently make a follow up and if i remember right scout in one interview even talked about it

Khan
04-08-2007, 12:55 PM
to the sequal question: yes i think they'll defently make a follow up and if i remember right scout in one interview even talked about it

You really believe her over Zombie?

He had far more to do with the movie then her.

The Frightmaster
04-08-2007, 12:57 PM
The trailer got me very excited about the new halloween. I was very against a remake at first but now I'm really excited. Someone said they didn't like the mask because it was to dirty but I think it's a good change, something different. And anyways if there's any sequels to this movie all the mask don't have to be dirty.

T.r.oo.P
04-08-2007, 12:58 PM
^^Righ

devils-eyes
04-08-2007, 01:05 PM
You really believe her over Zombie?

He had far more to do with the movie then her.

yeah but didnt all rob say was that he wouldn't do a sequal? doesn't stop someone else doing it

Todd
04-08-2007, 01:18 PM
yeah but didnt all rob say was that he wouldn't do a sequal? doesn't stop someone else doing it
Yes, they could both be right.
RZ says that he isn't intentionally leaving it open for a sequel, but Scout believes there is room to do one if they want. There is no real contradiction between those two statements.

Muse
04-08-2007, 01:18 PM
I'm not quoting all this because it's pretty long


from tylers myspace blog

Tyler just posted this in his myspace blog.

Enjoy!



That's actually pretty interesting. Thanks for posting that. Maybe not the most complicated thing in the world to figure out yourself but I enjoyed reading through that post.

Myers really does look fantastic from what i've seen though. Hopefully, I will manage to see it on the big screen :)

The Frightmaster
04-08-2007, 01:31 PM
yeah but didnt all rob say was that he wouldn't do a sequal? doesn't stop someone else doing it

this might just be a rumor but I heard that they were thinking of remaking H2.
Now I don't know about you guys but I definity don't think H2 has to be remade that would just be plan stupid.What are they going to do remake everyone of the movies in the series. We would really know that the people in hollywood are desperate to make a quick buck then. But I think that if there is a sequal it should be original.

The Kilted One
04-08-2007, 01:52 PM
What the hell does that have to do with a Halloween Discussion?

Did you read the rest of the post, for God's sake? You need to find better things to do than looking for trouble... And no, that has nothing to do with Halloween.

mr32
04-08-2007, 02:03 PM
Well this will be my first HALLOWEEN film that i will see on the big screen, hell i'm 22 and that's bad.

The Kilted One
04-08-2007, 02:07 PM
Well this will be my first HALLOWEEN film that i will see on the big screen, hell i'm 22 and that's bad.

It could be worse, my friend- You could be in my shoes; you could be 22 and the first Halloween you've seen in theaters was HR.

Frazetta
04-08-2007, 02:15 PM
It could be worse, my friend- You could be in my shoes; you could be 22 and the first Halloween you've seen in theaters was HR. Ouch.... that's a whole lotta shit to take in on the big screen.

T.r.oo.P
04-08-2007, 02:15 PM
this will be the 2nd halloween ive seen on the Big Screen and im 20

Frazetta
04-08-2007, 02:17 PM
This will be my 4th Halloween theatre experience. And it could easily be the best.

The Kilted One
04-08-2007, 02:22 PM
Ouch.... that's a whole lotta shit to take in on the big screen.

You got that right.

Khan
04-08-2007, 02:27 PM
yeah but didnt all rob say was that he wouldn't do a sequal? doesn't stop someone else doing it

While Rob said he shot a closed ending, Dimension could always override it and order re-shoots or re-edits to keep it open.

EvilOnTwoLegs
04-08-2007, 02:27 PM
You really believe her over Zombie?

He had far more to do with the movie then her.
Quite so. I do think that there will be a sequel if this one makes money, but I'm fairly sure that they're not counting their chickens yet. Certainly, Akkad and the people at Dimension aren't planning a sequel at this time...just hoping for one. And the same goes for STC. She wants a sequel for the obvious reasons.

Zombie has said that he doesn't want to do another, and has basically given his film a closed ending. Of course, it can be reopened if they want to do a sequel without him, as he acknowledges...but from everything I hear, he's made the film in such a way that it can stand on its own. He's not interested in doing another "Rob Zombie" Halloween after this, so he wanted to tell a full story in his film. Of course, they can do a sequel no matter how the movie ends...but I think this one, like the original, will be able to stand on its own. And, like the original, that's how it's intended...at least as far as Zombie is concerned.



this might just be a rumor but I heard that they were thinking of remaking H2.
Now I don't know about you guys but I definity don't think H2 has to be remade that would just be plan stupid.What are they going to do remake everyone of the movies in the series. We would really know that the people in hollywood are desperate to make a quick buck then. But I think that if there is a sequal it should be original.
Rumor Central. ;) Right now, as far as I know, they're not seriously planning on anything. And I'm pretty sure that if they do a sequel, it won't be a remake of H2...it will most likely be an original sequel, following up on Zombie's film.



While Rob said he shot a closed ending, Dimension could always override it and order re-shoots or re-edits to keep it open.
Hell, they don't even have to do that. Look at what they did for H:R. The ending of H20 was about as closed as it gets...but they still managed to make a sequel, regardless.

Todd
04-08-2007, 02:28 PM
This will be my 4th Halloween theatre experience. And it could easily be the best.
I've seen all of the Halloween movies in the theater on their initial run, so put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Then again, that could be used as an example of how old I am, so I guess I should have kept my big mouth shut....:bigeyes:

mr32
04-08-2007, 02:31 PM
It could be worse, my friend- You could be in my shoes; you could be 22 and the first Halloween you've seen in theaters was HR.

Yeah worse, but one of my boys he said he lost all respect for michael after busta kung fu kick him out the window. I was like that's the way hollywood see shit to be.:crazy:

Frazetta
04-08-2007, 02:35 PM
I've seen all of the Halloween movies in the theater on their initial run, so put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Then again, that could be used as an example of how old I am, so I guess I should have kept my big mouth shut....:bigeyes:
We all KNOW you're old Todd so there's no need for examples. I really wish I could have watched Carpenter's Halloween during it's initial run.

mr32
04-08-2007, 02:41 PM
We all KNOW you're old Todd so there's no need for examples. I really wish I could have watched Carpenter's Halloween during it's initial run.

Yeah me too.:)

The Kilted One
04-08-2007, 02:51 PM
Yeah me too.:)

And me... But I did see it during the re-release, though, and that has to count for something.

Todd
04-08-2007, 03:04 PM
We all KNOW you're old Todd so there's no need for examples. I really wish I could have watched Carpenter's Halloween during it's initial run.
38 isn't old.
I'm well seasoned, but not old.
And yes, I'm sure you wish you could have seen the original Halloween in the theater when it came out in '78. :ANYWORD:
I was only 10, but I remember it fondly.

renee30152
04-08-2007, 03:13 PM
Same here. To see the orginal would have been AWESOME!

Todd
04-08-2007, 03:24 PM
Same here. To see the orginal would have been AWESOME!
I remember being like a deer in the headlights.
I was scared spitless, but couldn't even blink.
I also don't think people today realize how much of a shock it was at the beginning of the movie when the killer is revealed to be a six year old.
There was a gasp throughout the theater that rivaled that of the reaction to the "No, I am your father" revealatory moment years later in The Empire Strikes Back.

lola
04-08-2007, 03:35 PM
I remember seeing Halloween 2, I must have been 7 or 8. It was very memorable, the theatre was a dump and we had to go downstairs to the icky bathroom. I was scared out of my freakin mind!! I remember when Laurie was limping down the hospital hall and turned around to see Michael and then the music started. Everyone in the theater was either yelling "look out behind you" or "hurry, faster". That really freaked me out that the audience was so scared.

EvilOnTwoLegs
04-08-2007, 03:38 PM
Okay...not to be a Killjoy, guys...but there's probably a thread somewhere devoted to discussing our Halloween theater experiences. If not, someone should, by all means, start one. It would be a nice addition to the board.

That said, this thread is for general discussion regarding Rob Zombie's new Halloween film. And it's probably time we got back to that. ;)

Laow-Z
04-08-2007, 04:16 PM
Here's one thread for your Halloween theater experience:

http://www.ohmb.net/showthread.php?t=6026&highlight=Halloween+in+theaters

myersfan1348
04-08-2007, 04:18 PM
To hop on out of the theatre experience stuff, it would be weird if the movie didnt have any blood in it like the original..... I mean I know it will because its Rob but still that would be odd lol.

UnpleasantDream
04-08-2007, 04:24 PM
Just wanted to comment on the whole will this remake produce and sequels questions...they were discussing it in the trailer thread but it seems more appropriate here..
I'm all for a sequel...that's what I like best about what Rob's doing...he's erasing the palate of all the sequels before which is great because the storyline was messed up beyond fixing...I love all the sequels for different reasons, but know that the storyline was just too far gone now.
Rob's version looks scary as hell, and the great thing is they can do anything with it now, there's no rules as far as what happens next right? Guess I'll have to wait and see how Rob decides to end this one though cuz I have a feeling we are in for a few surprises!

SicDarko
04-08-2007, 04:31 PM
I do believe you've been beaten to it, Sic. Just relax on Easter and let your hangover take care of itself.


This is what I meant. Not exactly what I was trying to do, but it's still kinda cool I guess.

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/7537/newzombcopyog9.jpg

Khan
04-08-2007, 04:44 PM
That is some nice work!

mcilroga
04-08-2007, 04:46 PM
Nice, man. Glad you wait until you were sober before you did it. :D

ghettomyers
04-08-2007, 04:47 PM
so im guessin the leprechaun remake will be orange

Franchise
04-08-2007, 04:48 PM
This is what I meant. Not exactly what I was trying to do, but it's still kinda cool I guess.

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/7537/newzombcopyog9.jpg

Looks nice. I like the sunken look.

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 06:22 PM
To hop on out of the theatre experience stuff, it would be weird if the movie didnt have any blood in it like the original..... I mean I know it will because its Rob but still that would be odd lol.

I kinda wish it didn't have any blood as with the original, not just because i see myself as a purist of sorts, but because I think that with todays audience's and audience tastes It would take a hell of alot more balls to make a bloodyless picture than it does a gore laden film.

Just thought i'd stick in my two cents on that

Todd
04-08-2007, 06:38 PM
I kinda wish it didn't have any blood as with the original, not just because i see myself as a purist of sorts, but because I think that with todays audience's and audience tastes It would take a hell of alot more balls to make a bloodyless picture than it does a gore laden film.

Just thought i'd stick in my two cents on that
Your two cents are gladly accepted.
I agree with you completely.
I've never been a fan of gore and think it is usually a cheap way to stir up "scares", if you can even call them that. Of course, in a movie about someone who is killing people with a butcher knife, there should logically be some blood. I don't think Zombie will over do it, though. He's already said that much himself.

Frazetta
04-08-2007, 06:40 PM
I kinda wish it didn't have any blood as with the original, not just because i see myself as a purist of sorts, but because I think that with todays audience's and audience tastes It would take a hell of alot more balls to make a bloodyless picture than it does a gore laden film.

Just thought i'd stick in my two cents on that The thing is I think audiences today would laugh at a Slasher movie that didn't have atleast a realistic amount of blood in it. In 1978 Halloween was pretty shocking but show it to a young horror fan today & they might say 'Where's the Gore?'. I don't have a problem with Zombie making the movie more grounded with alittle blood. If he would have tried to turn it into a gorefest I'd be upset though.

Superman
04-08-2007, 06:43 PM
Too much blood might ruin it. Although not enough might make it seem tame.

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 06:49 PM
I will say this though, the gore in this movie, as long as it is used merely to make the scenes come off as real, may work for this film. That said, I still prefer my bloodless films

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 06:52 PM
I will say this though, the gore in this movie, as long as it is used merely to make the scenes come off as real, may work for this film. That said, I still prefer my bloodless films

sorry my post was slightly redundant i was only half paying attention while watching big trouble little china

Frazetta
04-08-2007, 07:04 PM
Too much blood might ruin it. Although not enough might make it seem tame. Exactly. Zombie needs to walk that line very carefully. He obviously has his hardcore fans that will expect a certain amount of gore/blood/violence but the old school Halloween fans will want something with more substance. He has to find the area that will satisfy the majority of both groups.

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 07:10 PM
Exactly. Zombie needs to walk that line very carefully. He obviously has his hardcore fans that will expect a certain amount of gore/blood/violence but the old school Halloween fans will want something with more substance. He has to find the area that will satisfy the majority of both groups.

I don't know how thin the line is, from a boxoffice stand point not a halloween fanbase stand point, I think the TCM remake pretty much proved that if you're hard edge and and the word of mouth gets out about it your film can be a success. Lets be honest, we all know that the reason TCM did so well is not souly (or mostly for that matter) because of the hardcore TCm fanbase right.

Stormyhog
04-08-2007, 07:14 PM
To me atmosphere, suspense and the tone of the music are more important then loads of blood which I don't mind just not buckets of it. In the end I think the movie will stand on it's own and the casting of the film I feel is strong with notable names and some fresh young faces.

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 07:17 PM
To me atmosphere, suspense and the tone of the music are more important then loads of blood which I don't mind just not buckets of it. In the end I think the movie will stand on it's own and the casting of the film I feel is strong with notable names and some fresh young faces.

absolutely. if you have mood and atmosphere you have something worth while in my opinion.

leechcode5
04-08-2007, 07:23 PM
I've never considered gore and suspense mutually exclusive, it's just that a lot of filmmakers can't hack creating actual tension and atmosphere and try to gloss over that with a few extra buckets of entrails. Sure it can be shocking or disturbing, but the key is whether or not you relate to the characters all of it is happening to. I won't mind if this movie has a lot of the red stuff all over the place, hell I think it's about damn time Michael actually got his hands dirty, I'm just hoping I'll actually care about some of the characters being offed unlike most slashers. Then again, the Halloween series has always done at least slightly better than average on having at least a couple characters here and there that you can actually feel for compared to the other big slasher franchises, and the girls in the teaser did look legitimately afraid, so I'm remaining optimistic.

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 07:27 PM
I often think that the use of gretuitus gore and violence is less a way to shadow the lack of mood or atmosphere and more a way to hide a bad story or glaring screenplay problems.
mind you none of this i think wil apply to zombies film which if nothing else seems to be shaping up fairly well.

leechcode5
04-08-2007, 07:28 PM
I often think that the use of gretuitus gore and violence is less a way to shadow the lack of mood or atmosphere and more a way to hide a bad story or glaring screenplay problems.


Indeed, but I'd say a lack of mood and atmosphere would be the direct result of both poor direction and said story and screenplay problems, no?

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 07:34 PM
Indeed, but I'd say a lack of mood and atmosphere would be the direct result of both poor direction and said story and screenplay problems, no?

well, where that is entirely true for a lot of things, I have to say that there are some films that have so many problems no director (even carpenter himself) could actually fix. See I have the strangest feeling that some directors take on bad films out of an egotistical believe that they can rise above the material and make a good film. But this a seperate issue all together from this discussion.

leechcode5
04-08-2007, 07:46 PM
Yeah, you've made a good point. And you're right, we are on our way to derailing this thread and sending it crashing down the mountainside again aren't we, heh...

Getting back on topic, I say bring on the blood Rob Zombie, so long as the atmosphere is just as thick.:nodsmile:

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 07:51 PM
as for the atmosphere, i believe i mentioned this last night, so many people seem to be having problems with the lighting being so bright. Me personally I like the bright lighting, no diss to Mr. Cundey but i'm from a small town and i have to say it's never nearly as dark in a suburb as it is in the original. You see there are so many streetlights and window lights in houses and such that there is always this sort of perminant glow in town. Not on the out skirts but certainly in the middle of suburbia

leechcode5
04-08-2007, 07:58 PM
That is true for most neighborhoods, unless you live on a stupid "blackout street" like I do... stupid town and it's hatred for street lights... ahem, but anyways yeah. And hell, on a holiday like Halloween the streets are even more likely to be lit up for all the trick-or-treaters.

Then again, we don't even know if the scene will really be that bright in the final film. They may filter it to make it look darker, and just left it bright for the trailer either because they haven't had a chance yet or to make it more visible since the shot was only on screen for like a second and a half.

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 08:02 PM
we don't even know if the scene will really be that bright in the final film. They may filter it to make it look darker.

I actually believe that to be the case, mainly because of the difference in lighting between him chasing laurie and him carrying laurie. But i would love for it to be bright because it seems to really add to that realism zombie seems to going for.

See, from what little i know about this film, I think realism over atmosphere is the way to go. Thus realism becomming the atmosphere

MMyers89
04-08-2007, 08:19 PM
I used to live in the suburbs, quite close to a major street, and it got about as dark as it did in the original Halloween.

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 08:22 PM
I used to live in the suburbs, quite close to a major street, and it got about as dark as it did in the original Halloween.

really?.....I've always found it a bit stylized in that film, nt that it doesn't work, I just never looked at it as being truly representative of reality. Like someone turned out on the street lights.

leechcode5
04-08-2007, 08:25 PM
I guess it depends on the neighborhood. I've lived on suburban streets as bright as the one on the teaser trailer, and I've lived on streets like the one I do now without a single street light. Either way, like I said on Halloween night you'd expect a neighborhood to be lit a little better than normal, with people usually complaining how dangerous it is for kids to be trick-or-treating in the dark.

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 08:28 PM
I guess there is both bright and dark but my point is i like the bright in the film and hope it stays that way, darkness (real or not) just comes off a bit like they're trying to be moody and not realistic. now don't get me wrong i'm absolutley not dissing it. I love it! I'm just saying that for the remake everything, in my opinoin should be as real as possible in every aspect

Neematoad
04-08-2007, 08:40 PM
I guess there is both bright and dark but my point is i like the bright in the film and hope it stays that way, darkness (real or not) just comes off a bit like they're trying to be moody and not realistic. now don't get me wrong i'm absolutley not dissing it. I love it! I'm just saying that for the remake everything, in my opinoin should be as real as possible in every aspect


Wyatts thats the first thing that came out of your mouth that I agree with, I totally feel you on that one.

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 08:46 PM
Wyatts thats the first thing that came out of your mouth that I agree with, I totally feel you on that one.

thank you, it's good to be agreed with, it so rarely happens

Neematoad
04-08-2007, 09:00 PM
thank you, it's good to be agreed with, it so rarely happens

Yeah well pull your head out of your ass more often and it will happen a lot more :bastard:

Inhumane
04-08-2007, 09:01 PM
To me atmosphere, suspense and the tone of the music are more important then loads of blood which I don't mind just not buckets of it.


Atmosphere and suspense is something that was sorely lacking in both of Zombie's previous films. So far he's shown to be nothing more than a 'shockmeister,' in my opinion. He relies on foul language, gore and nudity to make his films. I suspect that his "Halloween" film will be more of the same.

DonaldPismyHero
04-08-2007, 09:03 PM
I guess there is both bright and dark but my point is i like the bright in the film and hope it stays that way, darkness (real or not) just comes off a bit like they're trying to be moody and not realistic. now don't get me wrong i'm absolutley not dissing it. I love it! I'm just saying that for the remake everything, in my opinoin should be as real as possible in every aspect

Extremely good point. People are used to seeing darkness when they're scared. I think it was Marcus Dunston (writer for Feast and Saw 4) who said that when he wrote Feast and he gave the character descriptions in the beginning, he chose to make it seem like some people would live (like the young boy) only later to be killed, giving the film something different and edgy. It surprises people and makes things scarier. I like the idea of killing in the daytime. I mean, he stalked people in the daytime in the original. I think it's creepy.

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 09:05 PM
Atmosphere and suspense is something that was sorely lacking in both of Zombie's previous films. So far he's shown to be nothing more than a 'shockmeister,' in my opinion. He relies on foul language, gore and nudity to make his films. I suspect that his "Halloween" film will be more of the same.

where i do agree that his previouse films really lacked suspense, I don't think you can say they didn't have atmosphere (atleast Rejects anyway) The thing is it just had the 70's exploitation sleeze epic atmosphere. Totally different than Halloween, but a welcome change from the pg-13 tripe we were being subjected to before his films and notable others came out

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 09:08 PM
Extremely good point. People are used to seeing darkness when they're scared. I think it was Marcus Dunston (writer for Feast and Saw 4) who said that when he wrote Feast and he gave the character descriptions in the beginning, he chose to make it seem like some people would live (like the young boy) only later to be killed, giving the film something different and edgy. It surprises people and makes things scarier. I like the idea of killing in the daytime. I mean, he stalked people in the daytime in the original. I think it's creepy.

See i totally agree the for a film to make you think one thing will come to pass and then deliver a totally different thing it really begins to create tension as the filmmaker, if they are competent, slowly proves all your expectations wrong

Neematoad
04-08-2007, 09:14 PM
where i do agree that his previouse films really lacked suspense, I don't think you can say they didn't have atmosphere (atleast Rejects anyway) The thing is it just had the 70's exploitation sleeze epic atmosphere. Totally different than Halloween, but a welcome change from the pg-13 tripe we were being subjected to before his films and notable others came out

Exactley, I think shocking violence and unconventional atmosphere is a welcome change from the pg-13 japanese ghost stories that have been flooding the cinemas as of late.

Shamrock-Robot
04-08-2007, 09:17 PM
Atmosphere and suspense is something that was sorely lacking in both of Zombie's previous films. So far he's shown to be nothing more than a 'shockmeister,' in my opinion. He relies on foul language, gore and nudity to make his films. I suspect that his "Halloween" film will be more of the same.

I have to disagree with you there, The atmosphere in Zombie's other films were great, Especially the atmosphere he had in House Of 1000 Corpses which had a great Halloween feel to it with a great Halloween set up, Also as for the suspense part Zombie has had great suspense in his films like in HO1000C when Otis has the gun pointed at the deputy's face and everything pauses for like 2 minutes then he finally shoots him, That was extremely suspenseful, Also the scenes of the Fireflys in the motel in TDR with all the various stuff they do in there which was very suspenseful and sometimes intense, I think Zombie will do great with this Halloween because of some of the points I just pointed out, I think alot of people unfairly criticize Zombie without giving his films a fair chance, And they also give him a hard time because he uses gore and blood but what exactly do they expect its a freakin horror movie for gods sake..

Franchise
04-08-2007, 09:20 PM
http://jokeonlineworld.com/lol.html





I have to disagree with you there, The atmosphere in Zombie's other films were great, Especially the atmosphere he had in House Of 1000 Corpses which had a great Halloween feel to it with a great Halloween set up, Also as for the suspense part Zombie has had great suspense in his films like in HO1000C when Otis has the gun pointed at the deputy's face and everything pauses for like 2 minutes then he finally shoots him, That was extremely suspenseful, Also the scenes of the Fireflys in the motel in TDR with all the various stuff they do in there which was very suspenseful and sometimes intense, I think Zombie will do great with this Halloween because of some of the points I just pointed out, I think alot of people unfairly criticize Zombie without giving his films a fair chance, And they also give him a hard time because he uses gore and blood but what exactly do they expect its a freakin horror movie for gods sake..

I'm going to agree here. I was wondering if I was one of the few that actually saw some talent in what movies he has made. While they aren't exactly cinematic masterpieces, they aren't the junk we've been getting lately either. I've got quite a few friends who are of 2 different extremes: love Zombie movies or despise them. I think it's mostly up to the person to see for themselves what's going on. Zombie's going to make this movie the only way he knows how and it's going to go on from there. I find it refreshing that he's a throwback to the more intense stuff I remember as a kid but with an edge to his movies.

Inhumane
04-08-2007, 09:22 PM
where i do agree that his previouse films really lacked suspense, I don't think you can say they didn't have atmosphere (atleast Rejects anyway) The thing is it just had the 70's exploitation sleeze epic atmosphere. Totally different than Halloween, but a welcome change from the pg-13 tripe we were being subjected to before his films and notable others came out

To each his own but I thought "The Devil's Rejects" had no story, no suspense, no atmosphere and was just a complete waste of time (and money, in my case). Regardless of whether a horror film is PG-13 or R makes no difference to me. A crap movie is a crap movie, just as a good movie is a good movie. It seems to me that horror fans are a lot more lenient on a bad R-rated film than a bad PG-13 horror film. 2006 horror films like the R-rated "Silent Hill," "The Omen" and "Black Christmas" are just as bad as the PG-13 horror films like "When A Stranger Calls," "The Grudge 2," and "Stay Alive". Wow, I just veered completely off-topic. To get back to the issue at hand, my point ultimately is that Zombie hasn't proven he can make a stylish horror film loaded with atmosphere and suspense. He seems to fit the mold of being a one-note, trashy filmmaker. Again, just my two cents on that.


I have to disagree with you there, The atmosphere in Zombie's other films were great, Especially the atmosphere he had in House Of 1000 Corpses which had a great Halloween feel to it with a great Halloween set up, Also as for the suspense part Zombie has had great suspense in his films like in HO1000C when Otis has the gun pointed at the deputy's face and everything pauses for like 2 minutes then he finally shoots him, That was extremely suspenseful, Also the scenes of the Fireflys in the motel in TDR with all the various stuff they do in there which was very suspenseful and sometimes intense, I think Zombie will do great with this Halloween because of some of the points I just pointed out, I think alot of people unfairly criticize Zombie without giving his films a fair chance, And they also give him a hard time because he uses gore and blood but what exactly do they expect its a freakin horror movie for gods sake..

I entirely disagree. I think Zombie is the typical horror director these days which, to me, is not a good thing.

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 09:23 PM
Exactley, I think shocking violence and unconventional atmosphere is a welcome change from the pg-13 japanese ghost stories that have been flooding the cinemas as of late.

see, here's the thing, the reason that halloween works is very simple, IT COULD HAPPEN. I think that's why most of the films that are truly terrifying are frightening. These ghost stories have just gotten so outlandsih that half way through we think "reall? is that what you're going for?" they may have their moments but after all is said they are pretty forgettable.
That's why applaud the direction zombie has taken

leechcode5
04-08-2007, 09:27 PM
That is the real trick. A movie doesn't have to be "realistic," but to really scare you it has to be done well enough that it feels real, that for the two hours you're immersed in it you can think in the back of your mind "this could really be happening."

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 09:28 PM
It seems to me that horror fans are a lot more lenient on a bad R-rated film than a bad PG-13 horror film. 2006 horror films like the R-rated "Silent Hill," "The Omen" and "Black Christmas" are just as bad as the PG-13 horror films like "When A Stranger Calls," "The Grudge 2," and "Stay Alive". Wow, I just veered completely off-topic. To get back to the issue at hand, my point ultimately is that Zombie hasn't proven he can make a stylish horror film loaded with atmosphere and suspense. He seems to fit the mold of being a one-note, trashy filmmaker. Again, just my two cents on that.

Oddly enought i totally agree with you here. It's the only explanation for Re-TCM's success. but anyway back to the topic at hand.
I think the thing that makes me excited about this movie is that zombie, wether we like his ideas or not, does seem generally excited about the film. and it's excitement and passion that's truly been missing from some of the worst sequels

Inhumane
04-08-2007, 09:34 PM
I think the thing that makes me excited about this movie is that zombie, wether we like his ideas or not, does seem generally excited about the film. and it's excitement and passion that's truly been missing from some of the worst sequels


I certainly wouldn't disagree that Zombie has passion or excitement for this film. I would hope that most filmmakers feel that way about whatever project they're doing. However, passion and talent are two totally different things. I think Zombie lacks talent, not passion.

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 09:39 PM
I certainly wouldn't disagree that Zombie has passion or excitement for this film. I would hope that most filmmakers feel that way about whatever project they're doing. However, passion and talent are two totally different things. I think Zombie lacks talent, not passion.

now that i think is just unfair! I may be wrong, it's been known to happen, but it would certainly seem that you're denying zombies talent just because you don't care for his work. Now c'mon, i don't like spielberg but i would never deny that man has talent

leechcode5
04-08-2007, 09:45 PM
now that i think is just unfair! I may be wrong, it's been known to happen, but it would certainly seem that you're denying zombies talent just because you don't care for his work. Now c'mon, i don't like spielberg but i would never deny that man has talent

Seconded. Just because you don't like a person's movies doesn't mean they aren't talented. I thought Rob Zombie showed some real promise with Devil's Rejects. The movie certainly wasn't for everyone, and it isn't headed for any "greatest films of all time" lists, but it was pretty damn solid and well made.

wyatt s
04-08-2007, 09:48 PM
Seconded. Just because you don't like a person's movies doesn't mean they aren't talented. I thought Rob Zombie showed some real promise with Devil's Rejects. The movie certainly wasn't for everyone, and it isn't headed for any "greatest films of all time" lists, but it was pretty damn solid and well made.

I felt zombie showed a real growth between HO1000C's and TDR, so it only stands that he would get better. And lets not forget, Halloween was carpenter's third film as well (ok now i'm reaching!!)

Inhumane
04-08-2007, 09:55 PM
now that i think is just unfair! I may be wrong, it's been known to happen, but it would certainly seem that you're denying zombies talent just because you don't care for his work. Now c'mon, i don't like spielberg but i would never deny that man has talent

I think Zombie has the level of talent that I think most filmmakers have and that's minimal. So far, all he's done is homaged movies like "Texas Chainsaw Massacre". His films have no COHESIVE storylines and no character development. Admittedly, his films cater to the typical 17 to 24 year-old demographic and I am not his targeted audience. Wish I was though. I would give anything to be in my 20's again. :nodsmile:

leechcode5
04-08-2007, 10:00 PM
I felt zombie showed a real growth between HO1000C's and TDR, so it only stands that he would get better. And lets not forget, Halloween was carpenter's third film as well (ok now i'm reaching!!)

So did I. House of 1000 Corpses wasn't that terribly good, but it was entertaining. I enjoyed it, and I'm sure one day when I'm bored I'll end up watching it again. The Devil's Rejects though I thought was great, a vast improvement, and a very different kind of style despite being a direct sequel. I really enjoyed the writing, direction, and the casting for it.

I don't have much doubt that I'll at the very least be entertained by his version of Halloween, and if I am than right there the movie will be worth more in my eyes than a couple of the sequels, and probably any sequel we would've gotten had this project not happened.


I think Zombie has the level of talent that I think most filmmakers have and that's minimal. So far, all he's done is homaged movies like "Texas Chainsaw Massacre". His films have no COHESIVE storylines and no character development. Admittedly, his films cater to the typical 17 to 24 year-old demographic and I am not his targeted audience. Wish I was though. I would give anything to be in my 20's again. :nodsmile:

If Texas Chainsaw Massacre was the only homage you picked up when watching his last two films, I don't think you were looking close enough. And let me just say I all around completely disagree with the rest of your post.