Green Day : American Idiot

[boogeyman87]

So does anyone here out the few members we have now like Green Day? I admitt i never really liked them that much but after listening to this new album . Its a punkrock opera. Its brilliant. Not only lyrically , but musically , and socially as well. http://www.mtv.com/music/the_leak/green_day/american_idiot/ You can listen to it for this week till it comes out next tuesday. Its a good album with two nine minute songs and a five part Jesus of Suburbia song. So take a listen if not for the band but for the lyrics http://www.greendayauthority.com/streaming/americanidiot.shtml which you can find there. :)

[Dchabz]

Green Day is okay for a change, but not for a long time, cuz their songs are too ....short and it just sounds similar from track to track...but i don't hate them or anything.

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by Dchabz
Green Day is okay for a change, but not for a long time, cuz their songs are too ....short and it just sounds similar from track to track...but i don't hate them or anything.

Well i kinda find it hard to say when one of their new songs is 9 minutes and 9 seconds long. :)

[EvilOnTwoLegs]

I used to hate the living shit out of Green Day. They were too fucking poppy for me. Then Billy Joe started listening to bands like Against All Authority and started writing some political stuff. I liked Minority, for example...and what I've heard of the new album, I really like.

So it's that very rare thing in life. I like them now, but not because my tastes changed...it's because everything I hated about them kind of went away. LOL

[Chomp_on_this]

Originally posted by EvilOnTwoLegs
I used to hate the living shit out of Green Day. They were too fucking poppy for me. Then Billy Joe started listening to bands like Against All Authority and started writing some political stuff. I liked Minority, for example...and what I've heard of the new album, I really like.

So it's that very rare thing in life. I like them now, but not because my tastes changed...it's because everything I hated about them kind of went away. LOL


I couldnt agree more...I was a big fan of 39/Smooth, Kerplunk, and a bit of Dookie, but after all that shit was released I totally lost all interest.

With this new album, I love the fact that they turned all those strung out songs and turned them into political punk songs. They still sound poppy as fuck, but the meanings behind the songs are great. Its just that I highly doubt "MTV generation" boys and girls are gonna give two shits about the lyrics, but I know better.

Ah well..they need to go back to Lookout!.

[Beau]

I thought American Idiot was pretty cool, my favorite track on their is Boulvard Of Broken Dreams.
It's a good album, not as good as the new Blink 182 album but still good.

[SassyLassy]

I like the Green Day song time of your life. I also like the beat to American Idiot, but I don't like how anti-America it is.

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by SassyLassy
I like the Green Day song time of your life. I also like the beat to American Idiot, but I don't like how anti-America it is.

Its just freedom of speach Sassy. Are that much of an American?:)

Originally posted by Beau
I thought American Idiot was pretty cool, my favorite track on their is Boulvard Of Broken Dreams.
It's a good album, not as good as the new Blink 182 album but still good.

Dude, I like Blink alot but even I can see that American Idiot blows the untiled album out of the water. The lyrics alone are far superior. Its all fine though. Blink's got an album in the works. It might be just as good..

[Chomp_on_this]

Originally posted by SassyLassy
I like the Green Day song time of your life. I also like the beat to American Idiot, but I don't like how anti-America it is.

Have you actually read the lyrics....its far from "anti-American".


Originally posted by boogeyman87
Blink's got an album in the works. It might be just as good..

LoLz

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by Chomp_on_this
LoLz

Yes I know. Its absolutely a laughable statment. Blink, good music? Hahaha

[Chomp_on_this]

Originally posted by boogeyman87
Yes I know. Its absolutely a laughable statment. Blink, good music? Hahaha

Yea I know..LoL. Especially when they haven't played a descent lick of music since their music career began....why would they want to start now?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

HA!

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by Chomp_on_this
Yea I know..LoL. Especially when they haven't played a descent lick of music since their music career began....why would they want to start now?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

HA!

Now your just being overzealous.;) Well lets get back to Green Day. If any of you liked the album whats your favorite track? I'm partial to Give me novacaine and Homecoming. :)

[Donnie Darko]

i still have to say that Insomniac is my favorite cd of theirs, but i do like this new music alot, ive only heard the cd 3 times or so and i dont know the names of the songs but the overall vibe of the cd is great, ive got it on the computer so im sure ill listen to it again soon.

seeing them in concert on 8 hits of acid (no shit) really makes you like them. that night i learned that the best way to get to the front row is to not even look at the people in the crowd, just slowly move forward and people let you by cause youre not even acknowledging them.

i made it to the front row just to think to myself "Billy Joe is comic book ugly" he looked so much like a cartoon character being so ugly, he looked like he was drawn to be ugly, not that im one to talk. lol

ill have to wait a bit before i can give an expert opinion on this cd, but i know i like it alot so far.

[Laurie_Strode#1]

GREEN DAY KICKS ASS!!!!!!!

[EvilOnTwoLegs]

Originally posted by SassyLassy
I like the Green Day song time of your life. I also like the beat to American Idiot, but I don't like how anti-America it is.
It's not anti-America...it's anti-idiot. Interesting how some people don't understand that. What are they trying to tell us? ;)

But being anti-moron and anti-Bush (if that isn't too redundant) does not make you anti-American. You don't have to love the president unconditionally, or else be considered anti-American. Consider the words of Teddy Roosevelt:

"Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president, or any other public official, save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country."

Hell, even Jefferson said that patriotism means always standing by your country, and standing by you government when and if they deserve it.

Actually, all of the people who founded this nation would be absolutely sickened by the current state of affairs, and appalled at the thought of people throwing terms like "anti-American" at people that they would have considered to be patriotic. Patriotism doesn't mean waving a flag and cheering on the president as he leads the lemmings off the cliff. It means protesting anything that is Unconstitutional or unjust...protesting a Federal government that has granted itself too much power...protesting unjust wars, started by illegitimately elected officials, which kill hundreds of thousands of people and put your nation deeper in debt than it has ever been since its birth in 1776. That, to the Founding Fathers, would be considered patriotism. Most of the people who proclaim themselves patriots...well, they're just the lemmings.

[freethy]

I guess I am on my own in not liking this band. They remind me of Offspring lmao!

[EvilOnTwoLegs]

Originally posted by freethy
I guess I am on my own in not liking this band. They remind me of Offspring lmao!
I only like about 2% of their stuff. LOL So you're not totally alone. :D

[Evil Never Dies]

I never really listened to Green Day but when they released american idoit, I have started to listen to more of their music and they are not that bad.

[Doobie_Snacker]

"Holiday" Should Be their next video or perhaps "She's A Rebel"

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by Doobie_Snacker
"Holiday" Should Be their next video or perhaps "She's A Rebel"

Holiday will be their next video after Boulevard of Broken Dreams has run its course. They shot both videos at the same time. :)

[Franchise]

I don't mind the album, but I've heard better. It's not the album of the year like I've been hearing.

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by Franchise
I don't mind the album, but I've heard better. It's not the album of the year like I've been hearing.

Interesting. I would call it the album of the year for me personally becuase i've only heard so much this year and havent dug deep for the good stuff. I've read articles from Stephen King and others praising it. What was the best album of the year to you Mike? This is open to anyone who wants to answer this all well. :)

[Franchise]

To be honest, I don't buy a lot of albums, but the ones that I do enjoy are underground. I'd have to say that my fave was probably Blaze Ya Dead Homie - Colton Grundy.

[FranchiseHatesMe]

Originally posted by Franchise
To be honest, I don't buy a lot of albums, but the ones that I do enjoy are underground. I'd have to say that my fave was probably Blaze Ya Dead Homie - Colton Grundy. Blazes new shit was hella fresh ninja but common you gotta give it up for Hells Pit and Dirty History.

[Franchise]

Hell's Pit is growing on me and I think Dirty History was trash. I hate to say that about Anybody, but I didn't hear anything on there to get me excited.

[Miss Informed]

I don't care for this band. Never have. Although, thanks to Mike I am listening to this Boulevard of Broken Dreams (I think that is what it's called) over and over again. That song is good.

[FranchiseHatesMe]

Originally posted by Franchise
Hell's Pit is growing on me and I think Dirty History was trash. I hate to say that about Anybody, but I didn't hear anything on there to get me excited. A lot of my friends dont like Dirty History I dont know why I thought the shit was hella bomb. But ya I agree the new Blaze cd was the shit. Def the 3 year wait.

[Doobie_Snacker]

Their Album Before this was Horribal. You Know "Shenanigans" just awful stuff

[EvilOnTwoLegs]

Originally posted by Franchise
To be honest, I don't buy a lot of albums, but the ones that I do enjoy are underground. I'd have to say that my fave was probably Blaze Ya Dead Homie - Colton Grundy.
The name Blaze Ya Dead Homie always makes me think of this thing I find on the net back in the day...

The Adventures of the Undead Homie (http://www.sixsixfive.com/144.html)

And no...American Idiot is not the album of the year...Hot Fuss by the Killers and the new albums by Bad Religion and Nick Cave are just a few of the albums that kick American Idiot's ass. Still...it IS the best Green Day album, in my opinion.

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by EvilOnTwoLegs
And no...American Idiot is not the album of the year...Hot Fuss by the Killers and the new albums by Bad Religion and Nick Cave are just a few of the albums that kick American Idiot's ass. Still...it IS the best Green Day album, in my opinion.

I agree, The Killers are an awesome band and i'd say their the breakout artist of the year. They havent hit that much success yet but they will soon enough. I didnt get a chance to hear The Empire strikes first but the singles i've heard are great. Another solid album.

[EvilOnTwoLegs]

Originally posted by boogeyman87
I agree, The Killers are an awesome band and i'd say their the breakout artist of the year. They havent hit that much success yet but they will soon enough. I didnt get a chance to hear The Empire strikes first but the singles i've heard are great. Another solid album.
Empire is an amazing album...takes me back to the old days of vintage BR. I don't know what the hell was up with No Substance...I almost gave up on BR with that poppy piece of shit record, but their last two LPs have been great...and Empire's probably their best since Gray Race.

[boogeyman87]

New Blood, New Begining, New try at this thread.

It's been around 10 solid months since the album that bounced Green Day back up from despair has been released; and seeing Dave's(Donnie Darko) choice of avatar a few days ago this topic is back up. American Idiot.

It's really hard for me to describe my feelings on the album as a whole. To say anything about it other than the fact that it's a pure undrug-related musical high to listen to this album all the way through is an understatement. I'm careful to say it rocks for the most part, but it's undeniable got bite.

I'd really like to get into the Wake Me Up When September Ends video, and the possibility of an American Idiot feature film. Thoughts/ideas?

For those, and I imagine most, of you that haven't seen the latest video here it is: Wake Me Up When September Ends (http://s11.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1L3ZRKHZM169M2V3CWLFX0RKH6)


(And Evan Rachel Wood is in the video, my eye candy.):D

[Cruel Intentions]

My fathers a part of the music club through the mail. I'm trying to get him to get this album so I can put it on my I-POD.

[Donnie Darko]

American Idiot really opened the door and let me experience the newer GD cds in a whole new light. ive always liked Warning and Shenanigans but American Idiot got me listening to those cds more thoroughly. im an older school fan, Insomniac being my favorite cd of theirs and Kerplunk being second favorite. ive really learned a new respect for their new stuff since the release of the last cd. the newer style cds went from "good to have" to "must have"

even though their newer cds arent my favorites of the bunch theyre actually a better band than ever these days, theyve discovered their own sound and mesh better than ever. while the songs arent as raw as before theyre more complex and thought out which is great for what it is. its a different angle but carries equal integrity.

as far as American Idiot goes, ive found myself digging Jesus of Suburbia in particular. its got alot of different styles going on in there. even though its their single i really like Wake Me Up When September Ends. i didnt know it had a video till i read 87's post, even thought ive heard it on the radio once or twice when i actually listen to the radio. im about to check that video out especially knowing its got Evan Rachel Wood in it, shes young but goddamn shes noice.

my friend i work with said GD is going to be in Atlanta sometime in a few months, if thats true then im surely gonna see them again, it would be sooo nice to see them while touring this cd, last time when i seen them it was while they were touring for Warning and that was to die for!


okay, time to clear this up "american idiot feature film"?
tell me more bro!! please!!! tell me moe!

[boogeyman87]

Speaking of new and old Green Day, I always felt bad for getting on the wagon so late. Prior to American Idiot I no doubt knew and had respect for the band as musicians and as a group of entertainers but I never ventured into buying their albums or learning their history. I recently watched a behind the music of sorts about the band and I have to say that I've gained so much respect for them.

In the early ’90s you couldn’t escape Longview and Basket Case; and Good Riddance becoming such a radio hit. I strayed from those obvious choices though and my favorite album/track previously before American Idiot was Warning/Minority. So up until American Idiot I was just a casual listener, but this past album has really managed to make a big impact in music and what I consider a solid album.

My favorite track off the album, undoubtedly, is Give Me Novocain. I’m also very inspired by Letterbomb. I’m just so in love with the storyline the CD carries inside of itself. Its strange when a CD can satisfy not only musical taste but also wet your film/literature appetite considerably well.

As far as the movie is concerned, let me tell you man, it’s like a cross your fingers kind of ordeal. http://movies.monstersandcritics.com/news/article_6004.php/Green_Day_Hits_The_Big_Screen Says it’s a go with a 2006 start date, but as of July 22nd, 2005 who knows. I guess it depends on if you believe the internet first before actually hearing it on say the television, radio or from Billie’s own mouth. I’m excited, again, because of the storyline surrounding the CD. A guy leaves his small suburb for a big city, does drugs and develops a alter ego/split personality (St. Jimmy). Meet’s a rebel girl, dives deep into drugs and then decides to shed St. Jimmy for fear that he is alone once again. He ends up with a desk job and wondering what happened to whatsername. Sounds like an interesting enough to me for a movie. How about you?

I’m currently sitting here excited about the possible film and if it could possibly bear resemblance to Tommy or even The Wall. Who will star? There's so many talented actor that could play these major characters. Will it have that gritty independent feel mixed with similar directing styles displayed in the Boulevard of Broken Dreams/Holiday music videos? Moody and jumpy? I can imagine Billy Joe playing Jesus/Jimmy…I really can.

Well enjoy that video Dave. It actually carries a good story accompanied with Evan’s emotional character she can play so damn well.

[666myers666]

I like Green Day and I just went to see them in June, But the only thing that I don't like is that they take the piss out of so many bands that I like more. Other than that their good and the new albums good. I don't think it deserves the hype it's getting, though.

[SRV]

im not too fond of green day, mainly because of reasons that 666myers666 explained, but i prefer people like eric clapton and stevie ray vaughan

[Silent_Ninja]

Green Day are ok, they got a few ok songs like Boulevard of Broken Dreams, but i don't like that kind of music. Im more into moody blues and rock blues

[scream_sayonara]

Green Day is one of the most overrated bands out there. They are partially responsable to turning the publics' opinion of punkrock into this poppy trl bullshit that they made with this last album. Each of their albums changes with the change of what the flavor of the week is. They go from Good Riddens a few years back, to the masscara wearing gothic image they have now.
I recommend these albums, for a harder punkrock style:

"Let it Enfold You"- Senses Fail
"3 Cheers for Sweet Revenge"- My Chemical Romance
"They're Only Chasing Safety"- Underoath
"North"- Something Corporate
"Tell All Your Friends"- Taking Back Sunday
"In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth:3"- Coheed&Cambria

*"Black Sails in the Sunset"- AFI (real fast paced punk)

[Chuck D]

Originally posted by scream_sayonara
I recommend these albums, for a harder punkrock style:

Fuck that.

For real punk, try;

Plastic Surgery Disasters by Dead Kennedys
Die For The Government by Anti-Flag
Walk Among Us by Misfits
Out Of Step by Minor-Threat
The Idiot by Iggy Pop
Songs The Lord Taught Us by The Cramps
The System Works For Them by AUS-ROTTEN
Punk's Not Dead by The Expoilted

[Donnie Darko]

GREEN DAY PWNS BITCHES!



(more to come when i have more time, just checkin in)

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by scream_sayonara
Green Day is one of the most overrated bands out there. They are partially responsable to turning the publics' opinion of punkrock into this poppy trl bullshit that they made with this last album. Each of their albums changes with the change of what the flavor of the week is. They go from Good Riddens a few years back, to the masscara wearing gothic image they have now.
I recommend these albums, for a harder punkrock style:

"Let it Enfold You"- Senses Fail
"3 Cheers for Sweet Revenge"- My Chemical Romance
"They're Only Chasing Safety"- Underoath
"North"- Something Corporate
"Tell All Your Friends"- Taking Back Sunday
"In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth:3"- Coheed&Cambria

*"Black Sails in the Sunset"- AFI (real fast paced punk)

I recommend that this thread is obviously not for you. Different opinions I know, but I'm trying to have a serious talk here. No "I hate this TRL poppy blah blah". I have no problem with you at all but coming in here and claiming MCR, TBS and Something Corp. as harder punkrock? Thats odd, to say the least. Just stay near and dear to your emo thread, okay? :)


Originally posted by ChuckyDarko
Fuck that.

For real punk, try;

Plastic Surgery Disasters by Dead Kennedys
Die For The Government by Anti-Flag
Walk Among Us by Misfits
Out Of Step by Minor-Threat
The Idiot by Iggy Pop
Songs The Lord Taught Us by The Cramps
The System Works For Them by AUS-ROTTEN
Punk's Not Dead by The Expoilted

Umm, is there any other way to say exactly and thank you?

Originally posted by Donnie Darko
GREEN DAY PWNS BITCHES!



(more to come when i have more time, just checkin in)

Looking forward to your reply, Dave. Stear this thread back in the right direction, please.

[scream_sayonara]

Originally posted by boogeyman87
I recommend that you just stay away man, seriously. I have no problem with you at all but coming in here and claiming MCR, TBS and Something Corp. as harder punkrock? Just stay near and dear to your punk, emo thread.


Looking forward to your reply.
I have no problem with you either but...are you kidding, Something Corporate isnt hard, but I like them, so i included them, but TBS, Senses Fail, and MCR, and AFI are all harder than Green Day. Sorry for soundin harsh, I do like some older stuff from them. Green Day isnt any form of punk or any of its many branches, in my opinion. They are more of mainstream rock.
But, seriously, Green Day isnt hard, while they are a decent band, they are much more "gimicy" (i didnt spell right) and more image-involved by their swaying appearance. And I will stay near and dear to my favorite thread Ive ever made;)

Fuck that.

For real punk, try;

Plastic Surgery Disasters by Dead Kennedys
Die For The Government by Anti-Flag
Walk Among Us by Misfits
Out Of Step by Minor-Threat
The Idiot by Iggy Pop
Songs The Lord Taught Us by The Cramps
The System Works For Them by AUS-ROTTEN
Punk's Not Dead by The Expoilted

I agree, but I didnt say real punk. AFI's older music is truer to real punk, but the others are forms of punk rock. Im obviously into a later of generation of music than those bands.
Very respectable list tho

[SEXMACHINE]

I cannot stand Green Day now. They were once a cool band. Now they just sound like every other band out there.

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by scream_sayonara
I have no problem with you either but...are you kidding, Something Corporate isnt hard, but I like them, so i included them, but TBS, Senses Fail, and MCR, and AFI are all harder than Green Day. Sorry for soundin harsh, I do like some older stuff from them. Green Day isnt any form of punk or any of its many branches, in my opinion. They are more of mainstream rock.
But, seriously, Green Day isnt hard, while they are a decent band, they are much more "gimicy" (i didnt spell right) and more image-involved by their swaying appearance. And I will stay near and dear to my favorite thread Ive ever made;)

Well, the issue at hand with me wasn't hardness. Are Green Day hard? No. Are those bands listed hard? No. I really hate this talk of who's hard, who's pop and who's better. They are all good bands, and all have been named pop-punk by tons, why not leave it at that. And in the end its all rock. At least they all can unite under one branch of music. I hate labels, Chris(Chuck D) has really proven to me how idiotic labels can be.

[scream_sayonara]

Originally posted by boogeyman87
Well, the issue at hand with me wasn't hardness. Are Green Day hard? No. Are those bands listed hard? No. I really hate this talk of who's hard, who's pop and who's better. They are all good bands, and all have been named pop-punk by tons, why not leave it at that. And in the end its all rock. At least they all can unite under one branch of music. I hate labels, Chris(Chuck D) has really proven to me how idiotic labels can be.
I see your point, but Im not really against labels, because it, while it constricts a bands "indiviualism", it allows the fans to have it. For instance, I went to a concert a while ago and if someone asked me what type it was, Id be forced to say punk, but really there was Killswitch Engage, which is metal, Underoath, which is screamo/posthardorce, and there was My Chemical Romance, which is more of a punk-influenced rock. So I think labels are sometimes needed.

[boogeyman87]

Originally posted by scream_sayonara
I see your point, but Im not really against labels, because it, while it constricts a bands "indiviualism", it allows the fans to have it. For instance, I went to a concert a while ago and if someone asked me what type it was, Id be forced to say punk, but really there was Killswitch Engage, which is metal, Underoath, which is screamo/posthardorce, and there was My Chemical Romance, which is more of a punk-influenced rock. So I think labels are sometimes needed.

Remember, your an individual. You can like whatever music you want. Don't be brought down or forced into label making. At all costs its always music. You went to see music you liked. Right? ;)

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7030/notyou3dc.jpg

[scream_sayonara]

Originally posted by boogeyman87
Remember, your an individual. You can like whatever music you want. Don't be brought down or forced into label making. At all costs its always music. You went to see music you liked. Right? ;)

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7030/notyou3dc.jpg
actually, Im a product of society's opinions, no an individual;)
And yes, It was music I liked, that was actually my favorite concert Ive went to. I dont really like Killswitch Engage though, too generic sounding and I cant understand some lyrics.

[A. Remin' D.]

I like their cd a lot. Especially like Are We The Waiting. I like Green Day regardless if they are popular. I don't care if a band is popular or underground, or if they're hard or not, or what label they're on, all I care about is the music, whether it is good or not. And Green Day definitely are good, and did a great job with American Idiot.

[scream_sayonara]

Originally posted by A. Remin' D.
I don't care if a band is popular or underground, or if they're hard or not, or what label they're on, all I care about is the music, whether it is good or not.
Thats the thing you are missing tho.
When people are fans of a band that is "underground" they can become very bitter when that band becomes popular because of how fame changes a band. Green Day is a perfect example. I have a sister who been a fan of theirs since the early 90s (their first album was in 90 i think) and they have changed alot.

Me and Sean (MMyers89) are fans of a band called AFI, who as they got more attention, slowed down their fastpaced punk and slowly turned into just another band, good, but not like they used to be. I do hear that they are gettin back to the roots somewhat tho.

I dont like bands because they arent famous and I dont hate bands because they are, I hate bands that change their image and their music to the liking of modern pop-culture. A band selling out is never praised by their more loyal and longtime fans

Even though Green Day did change, I dont hate them...because their music is still decent, but I am pissed that they changed like everyone else and that they are spreading that they are punk, which is very, very hard to actually find in modern day rock.

[A. Remin' D.]

Originally posted by scream_sayonara
Thats the thing you are missing tho.
When people are fans of a band that is "underground" they can become very bitter when that band becomes popular because of how fame changes a band. Green Day is a perfect example. I have a sister who been a fan of theirs since the early 90s (their first album was in 90 i think) and they have changed alot.

Me and Sean (MMyers89) are fans of a band called AFI, who as they got more attention, slowed down their fastpaced punk and slowly turned into just another band, good, but not like they used to be. I do hear that they are gettin back to the roots somewhat tho.

I dont like bands because they arent famous and I dont hate bands because they are, I hate bands that change their image and their music to the liking of modern pop-culture. A band selling out is never praised by their more loyal and longtime fans

Even though Green Day did change, I dont hate them...because their music is still decent, but I am pissed that they changed like everyone else and that they are spreading that they are punk, which is very, very hard to actually find in modern day rock.

Ah, I know you're saying, and no I don't hate bands that change when they become popular. Another example is the Goo Goo Dolls, they were thrash metal in the late 80s, but slowed down and became popular. I don't think they ever "sold out" though, they changed first and then became popular. I like there "hard" stuff, and "softer" stuff. Hell, even on "Jed" they have some speed metal songs, and some slow songs.

[Frazetta]

Originally posted by EvilOnTwoLegs
I used to hate the living shit out of Green Day. They were too fucking poppy for me. Then Billy Joe started listening to bands like Against All Authority and started writing some political stuff. I liked Minority, for example...and what I've heard of the new album, I really like.

So it's that very rare thing in life. I like them now, but not because my tastes changed...it's because everything I hated about them kind of went away. LOL Thats my opinion too.When they 1st came out i cringed when they came on the radoi or someone put a cd of theirs in.But American Idiot has some really catchy thought provoking rocks songs on it.I really like the title track & Holiday & their new single Wake me up When September Ends is really good.Thankfully they decided it was time to grow up & leave the kiddie stuff to Simple Plan

[Chuck D]

Originally posted by scream_sayonara
I dont like bands because they arent famous and I dont hate bands because they are, I hate bands that change their image and their music to the liking of modern pop-culture. A band selling out is never praised by their more loyal and longtime fans

lol, omfg u r zo rite!!!1

[horrorqueen7]

personally I always liked Greenday - fav song is "when I come around"

[Frazetta]

Originally posted by scream_sayonara
Thats the thing you are missing tho.
When people are fans of a band that is "underground" they can become very bitter when that band becomes popular because of how fame changes a band. Green Day is a perfect example. I have a sister who been a fan of theirs since the early 90s (their first album was in 90 i think) and they have changed alot.

Me and Sean (MMyers89) are fans of a band called AFI, who as they got more attention, slowed down their fastpaced punk and slowly turned into just another band, good, but not like they used to be. I do hear that they are gettin back to the roots somewhat tho.

I dont like bands because they arent famous and I dont hate bands because they are, I hate bands that change their image and their music to the liking of modern pop-culture. A band selling out is never praised by their more loyal and longtime fans

Even though Green Day did change, I dont hate them...because their music is still decent, but I am pissed that they changed like everyone else and that they are spreading that they are punk, which is very, very hard to actually find in modern day rock. Man ive heard the "sell-out" bs about Metallica for years & about many other bands too.Ppl need to realize that as with everything in life bands need to evolve & change with the times.There is nothing sadder for me then to see a band like say many hair metal bands from the 80s that refuse to change with the times & are out there in their 40s trying to act young & hip.Now im not saying that some bands dont change their style for an easy buck but when it comes down to it they are in the music "business" & thats what its all about nomatter if any of us like it or not.Are there some bands that i wished would have stayed true to their roots sure but i dont hate them or stop listening to them because of their choice to change

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Originally posted by scream_sayonara
Thats the thing you are missing tho.
When people are fans of a band that is "underground" they can become very bitter when that band becomes popular because of how fame changes a band. Green Day is a perfect example. I have a sister who been a fan of theirs since the early 90s (their first album was in 90 i think) and they have changed alot.

Me and Sean (MMyers89) are fans of a band called AFI, who as they got more attention, slowed down their fastpaced punk and slowly turned into just another band, good, but not like they used to be. I do hear that they are gettin back to the roots somewhat tho.

I dont like bands because they arent famous and I dont hate bands because they are, I hate bands that change their image and their music to the liking of modern pop-culture. A band selling out is never praised by their more loyal and longtime fans

Even though Green Day did change, I dont hate them...because their music is still decent, but I am pissed that they changed like everyone else and that they are spreading that they are punk, which is very, very hard to actually find in modern day rock.
Actually, Green Day are more "punk" now than they were on their earlier records. Their lyrics aren't the lighthearted fluff that they used to be. The lyrics on Dookie, Insomniac, and Nimrod, in particular, were about as mainstream as you could get. Having a song about jerking off doesn't make a band rebellious. Their newer lyrics, circa Warning and American Idiot, are much more intelligent and focused...and, importantly, relevant. I don't think that they've changed their music to be more accessible, or because everyone else is (I don't see a lot of bands going from writing poppy songs about doing speed to writing serious songs about American politics...poppy drug songs tend to sell better than politics). The guys in Green Day matured...what's wrong with that? I think they've got a hell of a lot more credibility now, with American Idiot, than they did back when they were singing "Do you have the time to listen to me whine?" Frankly, I didn't have the time...but now, they're writing songs about things that are important...and that's got a lot to do with punk. Really, this is the first time I've heard a band accused of selling out for finding some integrity, as opposed to abandoning it.

I'll take this new incarnation of Green Day over pop-rock pseudopunk like Taking Back Sunday or My Chemical Romance any day of the week.