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Chomp_on_this

09-29-2004, 09:20 PM

I just found an older issue of Entertainment Weekly lying around my house that I just saw. I scanned it if anyone is interested in reading it.

Also, this may not be the right place to post this, but have any of you guys checked out the new The Batman cartoon on Saturday Mornings on the WB? I have to say I really enjoy it, however I dont like the representation of Bruce Wayne, asn sometimes the animations looks weird. I think it takes place 3 years after the becomings of Batman, and all the well-known villains are being reintroduced. Its definately not Batman TAS, but its not bad.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/Chomp_on_this/Cover.jpg
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Remicis

09-29-2004, 10:33 PM

Nice scans! And I have been watching The Batman, but didn't bring it up because I didn't think anyone else was. Cool to see I was wrong.:D Anyway, I've caught all three initial episodes, and I'm trying not to be too hard on it or hold it to a double-standard. I at first found myself incessantly comparing it to the greatness of BTAS, but if I look back on it from my adult perspective (not my 8-year-old one when it first premiered), that series really wouldn't have impressed me right away, either. Joker's Favor? On Leather Wings? Nah, the show took time to prove its quality, as any show does. And I think The Batman may be the same. The Joker and Penguin episodes didn't strike any resounding chords, they seemed pretty generic to me. But the Bane one we saw last Saturday was actually, I think, the best one so far. Gave Alfred a real chance to shine, and I thought the flashback to the immediate aftermath of Bruce's parents' murders was superb. My only complaint was I wasn't crazy about the new design of Bane himself. The red skin, the Venom pumping him up to damn near the size of a house...that made me grimace a little. But overall, I think it's a worthy different take on Batman so far. The still-flashes (if you know what I'm talking about) in the animation are a little weird sometimes, but I'll get used to 'em. And I miss Gordon, Bullock, and Montoya, but I think I'll warm up to the new GCPD cast.

The new series also seems to be more generally kid-oriented than BTAS was. But that's not necessarily a detraction as long as the stories and characters are still given good focus. Time will tell if it really pans out or not. But I'm enjoying it right now.

Chomp_on_this

09-30-2004, 10:44 AM

Fuckin' A, last weeks episode was the only one I missed and it was the best one? DAMN! And Fridays I work, so I wont be able to catch the encore... shit.

But I do agree, it feels a bit more kid orientated then BTAS was. I dunno, I'll probably watch it until I become bored with it, as I did with Batman Beyond.

The New Guy

09-30-2004, 10:59 AM

I didn't get to see the second episode because of work. I do really like this show though. I hope it lasts for a while.

MichaelMyers

09-30-2004, 01:20 PM

It should be a good movie. Not as good as The first two though. They were the best of the four.

NCamp

09-30-2004, 02:11 PM

I can personally wait for this film. Im not as excited about Christian Bale being young batman. I dont know, maybe just the fact the arnold left a bad taste in my mouth as Mr. Freeze. But hey it might be good going back to just Batman without a side kick so I might as well give it a shot.

Remicis

09-30-2004, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by Chomp_on_this
Fuckin' A, last weeks episode was the only one I missed and it was the best one? DAMN! And Fridays I work, so I wont be able to catch the encore... shit.

But I do agree, it feels a bit more kid orientated then BTAS was. I dunno, I'll probably watch it until I become bored with it, as I did with Batman Beyond.

There are still episodes of Batman Beyond I haven't seen to this day. Never saw the final one, come to think of it. Doesn't really bother me, though. It did have some great episodes, but give me classic Batman any day. Although the Director's Cut of Return of the Joker was awesome, I have to say.

And NCamp...I seriously think we don't have to worry about another movie of Arnold as Mr. Freeze calibur. I actually have faith in WB for once this time around...because they're staying the hell away and letting Chris Nolan do his thing.;)

Remicis

10-02-2004, 09:39 PM

Another point on The Batman...did anyone see today's Catwoman episode? I didn't get up in time for it.:p I'll just have to try to remember to catch the encore on Friday, but I was wondering if it was a good one.

EvilOnTwoLegs

10-06-2004, 02:30 AM

Originally posted by MichaelMyers
It should be a good movie. Not as good as The first two though. They were the best of the four.
If my instincts are correct (and they are about 98% of the time), Batman Begins is gonna kick the shit out of Burton's Batman movies.

Don't get me wrong...they were damn good movies...but I think sentimental attachment to them (especially in the wake of the shitty latter sequels) has elevated them beyond their actual merit in the minds of most fans. They are not so great that a better Batman movie is inconceivable. People tend to think that way, and I think that no matter how great Batman Begins turns out to be, they'll never concede that it's better than the Burton movies.

As for me, I'm gonna be objective and call it like it is. If Begins isn't as good as the Burton movies, so be it. But if it's better, I'm not gonna pretend that it isn't.

Beau

10-06-2004, 08:16 AM

Originally posted by Kara Strode
there are two main reasons I'm excited: Chris Nolan and Christian Bale....the rest of the staff looks awesome though

Me too, i can't wait to see Cristian Bale as Batman.....anywys i think it should be a good miovie.

Remicis

10-27-2004, 07:29 PM

All right, kids...hit the link below for our first full-blown, crystal-clear image of the new Batman.

http://www.joblo.com/index.php?id=5657

The New Guy

10-27-2004, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by Remicis
All right, kids...hit the link below for our first full-blown, crystal-clear image of the new Batman.

http://www.joblo.com/index.php?id=5657

I seen that earlier today. It is truly awesome. I personally think it's a great suit. However, to this day, the Batman suit that Keaton wore still sticks in my head as the best one.

Silverpsycho

10-28-2004, 12:42 AM

I am so psyched for this movie! I'm always up for a great Batman flick!!! I didn't care for the new Batmobile (there are a couple pics in the current Rolling Stone w/ Kerry on the cover...page 100). But hey, it may end up looking real cool in the actual film. No matter what, I am still totally up for seeing Batman on the big screen! :D

Evil Never Dies

10-28-2004, 12:45 AM

I think this batman looks more dark like the first 2 unlike the last 2 that weren't really that dark.

hallo-scream

10-28-2004, 12:48 AM

I don't know much about this new Batman movie except Christian Bale is in it. I love Christian Bale. He's such an awesome actor, but to be honest with you I don't see him as Batman. I guess I'll have to see the movie.

thetodd

10-28-2004, 10:22 AM

This movie, like H2O, is being made from the standpoint that the last few movies in the franchise NEVER happened. In a way, that's a good thing because the last two movies totally sucked.

Evil Never Dies

10-28-2004, 10:23 AM

I though it was a prequel to the first movie?

Chomp_on_this

10-28-2004, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by Evil Never Dies
I though it was a prequel to the first movie?

No...this movie is a fresh new start.

myersman88

10-28-2004, 11:18 AM

If It's Like Batman And Robin It is going to suck PERIOD

Chomp_on_this

10-28-2004, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by myersman88
If It's Like Batman And Robin It is going to suck PERIOD

I highly doubt it will be ANYTHING like Batman and Robin.

thetodd

10-28-2004, 05:56 PM

Does it make me a hypocrite that it pisses me off so badly that they decided to forget about Halloween 4-6, yet I have no problem with them doing the same with the Batmans 1-4?

Bucky-lives

10-28-2004, 05:56 PM

it looks really good. i just can't wait to see who they cast as robin somewhere down the road.

Remicis

10-28-2004, 09:41 PM

Originally posted by thetodd
Does it make me a hypocrite that it pisses me off so badly that they decided to forget about Halloween 4-6, yet I have no problem with them doing the same with the Batmans 1-4?

I wouldn't say so, because I'm the same way. They're starting all over and doing a legitimate, separate series...not picking and choosing from what already exists.

thetodd

10-29-2004, 08:22 AM

Originally posted by Remicis
I wouldn't say so, because I'm the same way. They're starting all over and doing a legitimate, separate series...not picking and choosing from what already exists.
Good point. Besides, some silly things happened in original Batman movies. For one thing, the Joker did NOT kill Bruce Waynes parents. The Joker is also still alive in the comic. Killing him off in the first movies was absurd. Tim Burton and Schumacher took waaaay too many liberties with the Batman mythology. The new movie looks to correct that.

Evil Never Dies

10-29-2004, 08:27 AM

So they are basically starting the batman series from scatch? Intresting?

I thought the first 2 where brilliant but the last two really wasn't like the first two.

thetodd

10-29-2004, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by Evil Never Dies
So they are basically starting the batman series from scatch? Intresting?

I thought the first 2 where brilliant but the last two really wasn't like the first two.
That's because Joel Schumacher is a schmuck.

myersman88

10-29-2004, 11:35 AM

Myers22

11-05-2004, 02:15 PM

I have to agree, Batman & Robin did suck. It was the worst one. Now, I thought Batman Forever would have been better, had they not cast Val Kilmer in the role of Batman. He did make an ok Bruce Wayne. Very tormented and upset about what happend to his parents. Then again, that story had already been told in the first movie. Although, we all know that Joker didn't really kill Bruce's parents. Tim Burton's movies are still far superior to Schumachers, IMO..

thetodd

11-05-2004, 02:26 PM

Schumacher should be jailed for what he did to the Batman franchise.

Beau

11-05-2004, 02:35 PM

What i hate is that there are three different Batmans. Hopfully the next Batman will be good and if there is another sequel then he will star in the next one.

EvilOnTwoLegs

11-05-2004, 11:58 PM

I think Bale is in it for the long haul...and I also think he'll make the best Bruce Wayne we've ever had (not to mention the only one who looks anything like Wayne).

EvilOnTwoLegs

11-23-2004, 03:08 AM

Bump, motherfuckers!

For those who missed Rolling Stone's Batmobile feature, check it out at SHH. Lots of really cool info about the Bat's new ride.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/batmannews.php?id=2157

And for anyone who hasn't seen this image...well, here ya go...the best pic yet of the new batsuit:

http://www.joblo.com/index.php?id=5657

Beau

11-23-2004, 09:09 AM

I can't wait for this movie, should be greatr !!!!!

The New Guy

11-23-2004, 09:26 AM

I can't wait neither. But June 17th couldn't come any slower.

Beau

11-23-2004, 09:29 AM

Man June!!!
Yeah that is a long way away.

The New Guy

11-23-2004, 09:32 AM

Now the game looks friggin awesome too. I honestly think this will be the best Batman movie ever and it will have the greatest Batman game ever to go along with it. June 17th is set to be a very good day indeed.

Beau

11-23-2004, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by The New Guy
Now the game looks friggin awesome too. I honestly think this will be the best Batman movie ever and it will have the greatest Batman game ever to go along with it. June 17th is set to be a very good day indeed.

Naa, nothing can beat the first Batman...that's a classic.

FranchiseHatesMe

11-23-2004, 09:39 AM

Originally posted by thetodd
Does it make me a hypocrite that it pisses me off so badly that they decided to forget about Halloween 4-6, yet I have no problem with them doing the same with the Batmans 1-4? Not at all.

I dont know about anywhere else but in Vegas fucking BATMAN stands have been showing up all over town on billboards sporting the new movie. It looks really good and I think its gonna be a blast.

Beau

11-23-2004, 09:42 AM

Check out this fan poster:

http://www.christophernolan.net/imgs/Batman_Begins_PosterDIF%20-%20barney.jpg

Creepingmouth

11-23-2004, 01:53 PM

Really good pic.Finally we are gonna have a decent Batman movie after the original

blicdh

11-23-2004, 04:41 PM

Hopefully this movie will live up to all the hype it has been getting. I'm sure it will.

EvilOnTwoLegs

11-24-2004, 01:46 AM

Originally posted by Beau
Naa, nothing can beat the first Batman...that's a classic.
That's not a very open-minded attitude. In fact, it's pretty illogical and defeatist. Obviously, you won't think it's better than the first one...but only because you've already made up your mind, without ever seeing Begins. Pretty unfair. The first Batman was great, sure...but I could point out a million problems with it. There's really no point, though...but there's also no point saying that nothing can beat it, especially before you've seen the new film.

Cruel Intentions

11-24-2004, 06:49 AM

This installment better be good.

Beau

11-24-2004, 07:47 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by EvilOnTwoLegs
[B]That's not a very open-minded attitude. In fact, it's pretty illogical and defeatist. Obviously, you won't think it's better than the first one...but only because you've already made up your mind, without ever seeing Begins. Pretty unfair. The first Batman was great, sure...but I could point out a million problems with it. There's really no point, though...but there's also no point saying that nothing can beat it, especially

Well what im saying is that i realy enjoyed the first Batman and so i don't think this will be as good.

EvilOnTwoLegs

11-26-2004, 03:35 AM

Originally posted by Beau
Well what im saying is that i realy enjoyed the first Batman and so i don't think this will be as good.
Well, I can understand that...but I don't think you can say that it's impossible to beat the first Batman. I think many of us have actually blown the original film out of proportion in our minds and made it out to be greater than it really is. Which is not to say that it wasn't great...it was, and continues to be. Still, it had some serious flaws that many prefer to ignore. Why? Because it was the only superhero movie that came during that time period that wasn't a total piece of shit. It was the one ray of light shining through the abysmal darkness of late-'80s/early-'90s bullshit superhero cinema. We hadn't seen anything that good since Superman II, so we all praised the hell out of it. And it was well-deserved praise. But to this day, nearly every fan overlooks the glaring problems that the first Batman film presented.

I'm glad they're starting from scratch because now we have a chance to see a Batman movie where the Joker didn't kill Batman's parents...a Batman movie where the Joker doesn't die (c'mon, Batfans...you know as well as I do, the Joker never dies). Sam Hamm's script stripped Batman of his vengeance motive in the span of one film and reduced Batman's greatest and most recurring adversary to a walk-on. Not to mention that the dialogue was weak at several points.

None of these things make the film bad, but they show that there is, indeed, room for improvement. And I have faith in the cast and crew of Batman Begins. I truly believe that this movie has the potential to be better than the 1989 Batman. If it's not, then it's not...but I'm not about to say that it can't be.

zombie commando

11-26-2004, 09:28 AM

Some images from the game........

http://inlandempirestrikesback.net/v-web/gallery/BatmanBegins

thetodd

11-26-2004, 12:53 PM

The original Batman movie seemed a lot better to me at the time than it does now. The reason is simple. It was BATMAN on the big screen for the first time. If the movie didn't totally suck, I was going to love it. When I heard that Michael Keaton was going to play Batman/Bruce Wayne and that Tim Burton was going to direct it, I thought, "oh great. It's going to be campy like the 60's series was". So I went to the movie with my hopes up but my expectations low. I hated the liberties Burton took with the series. Joker did NOT kill Batmans parents, and he sure as hell didn't die. Why Burton decided to go that route, I don't have the foggiest.
I think the new Batman will be much closer to the comic book version and any humor will be sporadic and tame in comparison to the original two.

EvilOnTwoLegs

11-27-2004, 12:43 AM

Originally posted by thetodd
The original Batman movie seemed a lot better to me at the time than it does now. The reason is simple. It was BATMAN on the big screen for the first time. If the movie didn't totally suck, I was going to love it. When I heard that Michael Keaton was going to play Batman/Bruce Wayne and that Tim Burton was going to direct it, I thought, "oh great. It's going to be campy like the 60's series was". So I went to the movie with my hopes up but my expectations low. I hated the liberties Burton took with the series. Joker did NOT kill Batmans parents, and he sure as hell didn't die. Why Burton decided to go that route, I don't have the foggiest.
I think the new Batman will be much closer to the comic book version and any humor will be sporadic and tame in comparison to the original two.
Well, we can't blame Burton. He didn't write the script. The visual conception and casting were his main contributions to the film...and those were the best things about it. Burton did fine...it was Sam Hamm's script that was full of holes. And Burton couldn't fix them because...well, because he didn't know any better. Sad but true...Tim Burton never read comics. Batman comics, any comics...Burton just never read them.

blicdh

11-27-2004, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by zombie commando
Some images from the game........

http://inlandempirestrikesback.net/v-web/gallery/BatmanBegins

Those are some pretty cool screenshots, ZC.

Good find, does it say what system they are for?

My eye just isn't catching any unless its that IESB stuff at the bottom.:(

-Biggy

Phatmaster2k8

12-03-2004, 04:39 PM

Here is the first teaser poster for Batman Begins. It is awesome, just awesome. I like even better then Spidey's poster:D Begins is going to kick our ass...

EvilOnTwoLegs

12-03-2004, 07:59 PM

Fuckin' sweet!

Phatmaster2k8

12-03-2004, 08:29 PM

I know, I love the way they are taken on this film. BB is going to be a Bat-Fan wet dream.

Chomp_on_this

12-03-2004, 09:44 PM

Originally posted by Phatmaster2k5
Here is the first teaser poster for Batman Begins. It is awesome, just awesome. I like even better then Spidey's poster:D Begins is going to kick our ass...

I'll say it again...holy goddamn fuck, that poster is ace.

Phatmaster2k8

12-03-2004, 09:47 PM

Originally posted by Chomp_on_this
I'll say it again...holy goddamn fuck, that poster is ace.

Yep, I wanna see what the theatical looks like before I buy;)

EvilOnTwoLegs

12-04-2004, 03:39 AM

Originally posted by Phatmaster2k5
I know, I love the way they are taken on this film. BB is going to be a Bat-Fan wet dream.
Hell yeah...I can't wait for this movie...seems like it's been forever already.

Myers22

12-04-2004, 07:30 AM

Are we sure that's the official Teaser Poster? I haven't seen anything on the Batman Begins site. I'll go look over there. There is just so many fan posters out there for Batman Begins, but if this one is the teaser, it's kick ass.

Phatmaster2k8

12-04-2004, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by Myers22
Are we sure that's the official Teaser Poster? I haven't seen anything on the Batman Begins site. I'll go look over there. There is just so many fan posters out there for Batman Begins, but if this one is the teaser, it's kick ass.

Yep, believe me thats the teaser. I get my info my respectable sites. Oh and if you check out the site the poster is there......under Poster.

www.batmanbegins.com

Chomp_on_this

12-04-2004, 04:02 PM

If you click on the link ZombieC provided, there is a hi-res image of the teaser poster...great for making wallpapers, etc.

It's a real shame the makers of Batman Begins chose not to use Danny Elfman's triumphant score from the original Batman movies, but I guess if they wanted to sever all ties with the previous installments, they had to get rid of everything.

Myers22

12-04-2004, 06:40 PM

Sorry about that Phatmaster2k5. With all of the hype that is going on with this movie and the numerous fan posters that have been created, I was skeptical, but once I saw it posted on the Official site, then I knew it was the REAL DEAL.. Shouldn't have douted you. That is one KICK ASS poster! Can't wait for this movie! Going to be the best one yet! Thanks for the info!

Phatmaster2k8

12-04-2004, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by Myers22
Sorry about that Phatmaster2k5. With all of the hype that is going on with this movie and the numerous fan posters that have been created, I was skeptical, but once I saw it posted on the Official site, then I knew it was the REAL DEAL.. Shouldn't have douted you. That is one KICK ASS poster! Can't wait for this movie! Going to be the best one yet! Thanks for the info!

Hey no problem man, I too would be skeptical if somebody posted a poster of a movie I am looking forward to and couldn't find anything official. Oh and your welcome;)

Dr. Wynn

12-04-2004, 07:12 PM

I LOVE BATMAN

Batman:the Movie-campy,cheesy I LOVED IT
Batman-my man Jackie Nics stills the show GREAT MOVIE
Batman Returns-worthy sequel, VERY good
Batman Forever-Terrible
Batman and Robin-words cant describe how bad this movie is

lets hope Batman Begins saves the dieing franchise

Phatmaster2k8

12-04-2004, 07:30 PM

I still don't think Batman Forever was bad. I really liked Val Kilmer as Bruce/Batman, he played his part top notch. Carry did a excellent job as The Riddler but Tommy Lee Jones as Two-Face was kinda a let down. Too happy go-lucky, and I wish Billy Dee Williams was still Dent.

Dr. Wynn

12-04-2004, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by Phatmaster2k5
I still don't think Batman Forever was bad.

WELL THEN YOUR a DAMN FOOL!
jk

Kilmer was OK as Batman
Carrey is no Gorshin
and Jones is to "WOOHOO HAHAHAHA YIPPPEEE YAYYY"

Chomp_on_this

12-04-2004, 07:54 PM

Sorry to break up this little chat, but I downloaded the BB trailer onto my PC, as told to by the BB official website. But the trailer wont play due to some licensing authorization crap...anyone else get this shit? How the hell can I get it to play?

Phatmaster2k8

12-04-2004, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by Chomp_on_this
Sorry to break up this little chat, but I downloaded the BB trailer onto my PC, as told to by the BB official website. But the trailer wont play due to some licensing authorization crap...anyone else get this shit? How the hell can I get it to play?

Lemme try.

Phatmaster2k8

12-04-2004, 08:04 PM

When I tried it opened Windows Media Player and then said that I needed to upgrade something and when I tried it said it couldn't at this time because the server was down. Is this what happened to you chomp?

Chuck D

12-04-2004, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by Dr Wynn
WELL THEN YOUR a DAMN FOOL!
jk

Kilmer was OK as Batman
Carrey is no Gorshin
and Jones is to "WOOHOO HAHAHAHA YIPPPEEE YAYYY"

Regardless, I loved the visuals... excellent imagery

Of course, I love the first two... Burton handles the gothic Batman origin / story smoothly and made him respectable again (yeah... Adam West)

Anyways, I also cant get my trailer to work either... license aquisation or some shit. I'm gonna download it off Morpheus. If I get it, I'll send you it on MSN.

thetodd

12-05-2004, 07:04 AM

Batman Forever was waaay to campy. Schumacher had no business anywhere near the Batman franchise.

Creepingmouth

12-05-2004, 07:07 AM

yes,bad movie indeed

Dr. Wynn

12-05-2004, 08:24 AM

Originally posted by thetodd
Batman Forever was waaay to campy. Schumacher had no business anywhere near the Batman franchise.

Schumacher has no business near a filming camera

Chuck D

12-05-2004, 08:41 AM

Originally posted by Dr Wynn
Schumacher has no business near a filming camera

Bit harsh, no? The Lost Boys owned...

Dr. Wynn

12-05-2004, 08:42 AM

Originally posted by ChuckyDarko
Bit harsh, no? The Lost Boys owned...

neva saw Lost Boys

maybe harsh but I dont like the guy

Chuck D

12-05-2004, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by Dr Wynn
neva saw Lost Boys

Go see all the guys films before you criticize him.

Originally posted by Dr Wynn
maybe harsh but I dont like the guy

Have you met him?

Dr. Wynn

12-05-2004, 08:48 AM

Originally posted by ChuckyDarko
Go see all the guys films before you criticize him.

well of the ones I have seen I dont like any of them

and no I never met him I just dont like his movies and what he has done to the Batman franchise

thetodd

12-05-2004, 09:18 AM

Originally posted by ChuckyDarko
Go see all the guys films before you criticize him.
I didn't say that ALL of his films were crap. I just think that his style was not something that the Batman franchise needed.
When I heard that Schumacher was going to take over the Batman movies from Burton, I thought that wasn't a good idea.
I was right.

Chuck D

12-05-2004, 09:21 AM

Originally posted by thetodd
I didn't say that ALL of his films were crap.

Nah, I was referring to Dr Wynn's pretty half-ass'ed post

Phatmaster2k8

12-05-2004, 09:27 AM

I respect Joel for trying to do something different. All too much now filmmakers just use what already has been given to them. Schumacher changed the way Gotham looked, and I'm sorry but I liked what he did. Forever wasn't all lights and happy people though, it was dark, not Burton-dark, but dark enough. Now if we were talking about Batman & Robin, that is a different story.

Dr. Wynn

12-05-2004, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by ChuckyDarko
Nah, I was referring to Dr Wynn's pretty half-ass'ed post

well I didnt say ALL his films were crap either
just that I didnt like the ones I have seen

Ill have to cheak out the Lost boys. is that with vampires or somthing? I might have seen it
if its the one im thinking. Its pretty good
and Phone Booth was OK
all of the other films I saw of his were IMO pretty bad

Chuck D

12-05-2004, 09:44 AM

Originally posted by Dr Wynn
well I didnt say ALL his films were crap either
just that I didnt like the ones I have seen

Ill have to cheak out the Lost boys. is that with vampires or somthing? I might have seen it
if its the one im thinking. Its pretty good
and Phone Booth was OK
all of the other films I saw of his were IMO pretty bad

You should see 8MM... pretty good at dealing with risque subject matter and has a suitably nasty tone like Se7en

Dr. Wynn

12-05-2004, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by ChuckyDarko
You should see 8MM... pretty good at dealing with risque subject matter and has a suitably nasty tone like Se7en

HE DID SE7EN?
ok fine he has some good movies

but he was just not suitable for a Batman film

thetodd

12-05-2004, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by ChuckyDarko
You should see 8MM... pretty good at dealing with risque subject matter and has a suitably nasty tone like Se7en
David Fincher directed SEVEN.

Chuck D

12-05-2004, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by thetodd
David Fincher directed SEVEN.

I know that... I never said Schumacher directed Se7en

I merely said his movie; 8MM has obviously been inspired by Se7en in some scenes

Creepingmouth

12-05-2004, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by ChuckyDarko
I know that... I never said Schumacher directed Se7en

I merely said his movie; 8MM has obviously been inspired by Se7en in some scenes

Two great movies to me,and in both the detective ends up to be a murder

thetodd

12-05-2004, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by ChuckyDarko
I know that... I never said Schumacher directed Se7en

I merely said his movie; 8MM has obviously been inspired by Se7en in some scenes
I was trying to clarify it for Dr.Wynn, not you. I should have quoted him instead.

Dr. Wynn

12-05-2004, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by thetodd
I was trying to clarify it for Dr.Wynn, not you. I should have quoted him instead.

sorry he mentioned Schumacher and Seven and I got confused

Remicis

12-05-2004, 07:40 PM

I do sometimes just have to wonder what the hell happened when the Batman franchise was handed to Schumacher. Like some have already pointed out, the man's perfectly capable of making a good movie...he's proven that. I liked Phone Booth all right, and A Time to Kill was also good. He's not a bad filmmaker.

Only conclusion I can come to is that, even though he says he was a fan of the comics, he largely just missed the point of it all. In the press for Batman Forever, he talked about wanting to literally translate a comic book to the big screen...meaning lots of bright colors, wild scenery, and generic garishness. In thinking about it, that approach would perhaps make more sense if we were living in the '50s or '60s. The Batman of that era is what Schumacher's two films tend to fall more in line with. But the comic book world, especially Batman's in particular, had become much darker by the time the modern era in which Schumacher was working rolled around, and had been doing so since roughly the '70s.

I'll agree with the assertion that Batman Forever wasn't that bad. For all its faults (the overly glitzy and dazzling atmosphere, the terrible handling of Two-Face's character), there were still some things it did right. I thought Robin was introduced and handled very well, and I liked how we finally spent some time with Bruce and his inner demons and conflict...something Burton's movies never concerned themselves with all that much. And while the bright sets and visuals were different, I still didn't care for them. Differentiation from the norm or what's come before typically doesn't bother me as long as the result is good. But I didn't find that to be the case here. Batman is a dark character in a dark, rotting, macabre city, and towering neon skyscrapers and street gangs covered in glow-in-the-dark paint are really out of place for the mythos themselves. That's what I think, at least. I'm certainly okay with different interpretations of the city and its level of decay, but that was very much an extreme.

But finally, another reason I think Schumacher just didn't know what he was handling is because of something I else read about him saying during the press for Batman & Robin. The interview was discussing the lighter tone of the movie, and he talked about actively getting away from the "Oh woe is me, my parents are dead!" Batman.

I couldn't help but shake my head in dismay at that.

It was said they were wanting him to finally get over his parents' murder and enjoy being Batman and deal with the problems at hand...which basically dissolves the whole foundation of the Batman character. If he ever "got over" the deaths of his parents, he would like "get over" being Batman. That was a big mistake that I thought really explained Schumacher's understanding of the character...or lack thereof, however you want to look at it. I find it ironic that this was the case with a guy who claimed to know the comics very well, but the material was handled much better by someone who'd never read a single one.

EvilOnTwoLegs

12-06-2004, 01:32 AM

Originally posted by ChuckyDarko
I know that... I never said Schumacher directed Se7en

I merely said his movie; 8MM has obviously been inspired by Se7en in some scenes
Both movies were scripted by Andrew Kevin Walker. ;)

And yeah, I like several Schumacher films...St. Elmo's Fire, The Lost Boys, Flatliners, Phone Booth. He's made some fine movies...but yeah, he fucked the Batman series up royally.

Big problems with Batman Forever were the villains. They made both of them way too upbeat and campy. The Riddler and Two-Face are both pretty dark villains in the comic books. In the movies, they were way too over-the-top. And practically everything was out of character.

The Riddler's riddles should take a while to figure out...they should be bizarre, trapezoidal verbal conundrums...lateral thinking puzzles that defy rational thought, then make perfect sense once solved. In the movie, this was certainly not the case. Edward Nigma is a genius who is obsessed with riddles...why then, couldn't he think up any good ones?

But the worst injustice was done to Two-Face (and not just switching races in midstream, either). I think the scene where he doesn't like the answer he gets from the coin and flips it again is a heavy indication of how little the filmmakers cared about this character. Two-Face would never do that. He lives his life by that coin and makes all decisions based on a single flip. He could have killed Batman on a number of occasions, but the coin said no, and he let the Dark Knight go. Why? Because he's only half-evil, and the other half is still Harvey Dent. The two sides of the coin represent his internal struggle...however the coin lands, that determines which side of his personality wins out.

Creepingmouth

12-06-2004, 07:37 AM

Originally posted by EvilOnTwoLegs

But the worst injustice was done to Two-Face (and not just switching races in midstream, either). I think the scene where he doesn't like the answer he gets from the coin and flips it again is a heavy indication of how little the filmmakers cared about this character. Two-Face would never do that. He lives his life by that coin and makes all decisions based on a single flip. He could have killed Batman on a number of occasions, but the coin said no, and he let the Dark Knight go. Why? Because he's only half-evil, and the other half is still Harvey Dent. The two sides of the coin represent his internal struggle...however the coin lands, that determines which side of his personality wins out.

Right!
Two-Face to me is the crepiest villain after the Joker,he doesn't flip the coin for the joy of it since that coin rapresents his own personality which lives in costant struggle between good and evil.
Schumacher treated him and Nigma like two common villains we could see in any super hero cartoon and that's is his biggest mistake.I can stand Val Kilmer as Batman but not the way the villains are showed

thetodd

12-06-2004, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by EvilOnTwoLegs
Both movies were scripted by Andrew Kevin Walker. ;)

And yeah, I like several Schumacher films...St. Elmo's Fire, The Lost Boys, Flatliners, Phone Booth. He's made some fine movies...but yeah, he fucked the Batman series up royally.

Big problems with Batman Forever were the villains. They made both of them way too upbeat and campy. The Riddler and Two-Face are both pretty dark villains in the comic books. In the movies, they were way too over-the-top. And practically everything was out of character.

The Riddler's riddles should take a while to figure out...they should be bizarre, trapezoidal verbal conundrums...lateral thinking puzzles that defy rational thought, then make perfect sense once solved. In the movie, this was certainly not the case. Edward Nigma is a genius who is obsessed with riddles...why then, couldn't he think up any good ones?

But the worst injustice was done to Two-Face (and not just switching races in midstream, either). I think the scene where he doesn't like the answer he gets from the coin and flips it again is a heavy indication of how little the filmmakers cared about this character. Two-Face would never do that. He lives his life by that coin and makes all decisions based on a single flip. He could have killed Batman on a number of occasions, but the coin said no, and he let the Dark Knight go. Why? Because he's only half-evil, and the other half is still Harvey Dent. The two sides of the coin represent his internal struggle...however the coin lands, that determines which side of his personality wins out.
I think the absolute WORST fucking up of a character in the original Batman series was what they did to Bane. Bane is, or was, one of Batmans arch enemies. Who can forget Banes total thrashing of Batman? Who can forget him breaking Batmans back over his knee and tossing him aside like a rag doll? He beat and humiliated Batman in a way that no one ever had before or has since. Yet in Batman and Robin, they take Bane and turn him into a fairly easy to beat buffoon. Ridiculous.

Creepingmouth

12-06-2004, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by thetodd
I think the absolute WORST fucking up of a character in the original Batman series was what they did to Bane. Bane is, or was, one of Batmans arch enemies. Who can forget Banes total thrashing of Batman? Who can forget him breaking Batmans back over his knee and tossing him aside like a rag doll? He beat and humiliated Batman in a way that no one ever had before or has since. Yet in Batman and Robin, they take Bane and turn him into a fairly easy to beat buffoon. Ridiculous.

Basically you're right,I still remeber when Bane let all villains escape from the Arkham Asylum.That was amazing.But I like much more Two-Face who's a real classic villain so I can say I'm annoyed way more by his fuck up

Chuck D

12-06-2004, 01:24 PM

Dont forget Schwarzenegger! Arnie as Mr. Freeze was funny at first... but the original comic book Freeze is much darker than the comical display shown in Batman & Robin

On another note, have any of you seen the short film; Batman: Dead End?

It's pretty fucking good if you ask me... the Joker, Predator and Aliens taking on the Dark Knight totally ruled!

Go see it if you havent.

thetodd

12-06-2004, 01:32 PM

Isn't it funny how characters who are to eventually become villians are initially introduced in both Batman and Spiderman, they are one color, but then changed to another? Harvey Dent, who becomes Two Face, in the first Batman movie was played by Billy Dee Williams (an african american, if anyone didn't know), but when the character of Two Face actually appears, he is played by Tomy Lee Jones (as caucasion as can be). In the original Spiderman, Doctor Connors (who will eventually become the Lizard) is played by an african american, but in Spiderman 2, Doctor Connors has miraculously changed colors.

Chomp_on_this

12-06-2004, 01:33 PM

I love the begining to Dead End. I loved the scene where Batman jumps down from the building, and slowly rises from the puddle...great look they pulled off. Also the confrontation with The Joker is especially done well.

"You made me...DADDY!" LoL...great!

Chuck D

12-06-2004, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by Chomp_on_this
I love the begining to Dead End. I loved the scene where Batman jumps down from the building, and slowly rises from the puddle...great look they pulled off. Also the confrontation with The Joker is especially done well.

"You made me...DADDY!" LoL...great!

Hehe, yep... I loved their take on Gotham City... those dark, wet alleys suited it perfectly...

I'm so tempted to jack your Toxie avatar, man! Good work!

Creepingmouth

12-06-2004, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by thetodd
Isn't it funny how characters who are to eventually become villians are initially introduced in both Batman and Spiderman, they are one color, but then changed to another? Harvey Dent, who becomes Two Face, in the first Batman movie was played by Billy Dee Williams (an african american, if anyone didn't know), but when the character of Two Face actually appears, he is played by Tomy Lee Jones (as caucasion as can be). In the original Spiderman, Doctor Connors (who will eventually become the Lizard) is played by an african american, but in Spiderman 2, Doctor Connors has miraculously changed colors.

in comics both Dr.Curtis Connors and Harvey Dent are white so that should be their "official" color.Not that the color of their skin does really matter...

thetodd

12-06-2004, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by Creepingmouth
in comics both Dr.Curtis Connors and Harvey Dent are white so that should be their "official" color.Not that the color of their skin does really matter...
I'm not saying that the color of their skin matters. I'm just pointing out how the colors change from one movie to the next. I've been reading comics for as long as my 35 year old mind can remember. I'm well aware that both Two Face (Harvey Dent), and Doctor Connors (the Lizard), are caucasion.

Creepingmouth

12-06-2004, 01:47 PM

Chomp_on_this

12-06-2004, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by thetodd
I'm not saying that the color of their skin matters. I'm just pointing out how the colors change from one movie to the next. I've been reading comics for as long as my 35 year old mind can remember. I'm well aware that both Two Face (Harvey Dent), and Doctor Connors (the Lizard), are caucasion.

Who cares what color they are on screen? In the comics skin tones change just as much...Green Lantern anybody?

The Billy Dee Williams Harvey Dent, did not bother me whatsoever, even though he is a lighter skinned African American, it was pulled off. And I would have been happy if he ever reprised the role...but as for Tommy Lee Jones...well, everyone here know that that's just crap. heh.

I really don't see the big deal...its how the screen writers interpret the characters in the comics...its not set in stone that they be a certain skin color. If they want to screw up continuity that's their fault.

thetodd

12-06-2004, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by Creepingmouth
you seem upset,if it's so it wasn't my intention.Relax
No, I'm not upset at all.
What made you think so, mother fu....., excuse me, sir.
Honestly, I wasn't upset. I just didn't want anyone to think that I was trying to make any allegations of racism here. I think it is more a case of the people in charge of making the movie not doing their homework initially and then having to backtrack and re-do things.

Chuck D

12-06-2004, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by Chomp_on_this
its not set in stone that they be a certain skin color.

So an asian Batman doesnt bother you?

Chomp_on_this

12-06-2004, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by ChuckyDarko
So an asian Batman doesnt bother you?

I am sure there is an asian batman out there somewhere...no, if the Batman was pulled off exceptionally well, it doesnt matter race, unless an origin is specifically stated.

thetodd

12-06-2004, 01:58 PM

Originally posted by Chomp_on_this
Who cares what color they are on screen? In the comics skin tones change just as much...Green Lantern anybody?

The Billy Dee Williams Harvey Dent, did not bother me whatsoever, even though he is a lighter skinned African American, it was pulled off. And I would have been happy if he ever reprised the role...but as for Tommy Lee Jones...well, everyone here know that that's just crap. heh.

I really don't see the big deal...its how the screen writers interpret the characters in the comics...its not set in stone that they be a certain skin color. If they want to screw up continuity that's their fault.
The "big deal" is not that the skin color of the characters was initially different than it was in the comics. The silly thing is that the skin color of the two characters changed from one movie to the next. If they want an african american Two Face, fine. But don't have him being one color in one movie and another in the next.

Chomp_on_this

12-06-2004, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by thetodd
The "big deal" is not that the skin color of the characters was initially different than it was in the comics. The silly thing is that the skin color of the two characters changed from one movie to the next. If they want an african american Two Face, fine. But don't have him being one color in one movie and another in the next.

Like I said, its how the screenwriter interprets the character. Spider-man 2 had a different screenwirter. I am sure Batman Forever had a different screenwriter as well.

It does seem silly as the continuity gets mangaled in the process. What can ya do?

Wait a minute, what part did Dr. Connors have in Spider-man? I don't remember...I remember Peter getting fired by a Dr. Connors, but I dont remember the person playing him.

thetodd

12-06-2004, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by Chomp_on_this
Like I said, its how the screenwriter interprets the character. Spider-man 2 had a different screenwirter. I am sure Batman Forever had a different screenwriter as well.

It does seem silly as the continuity gets mangaled in the process. What can ya do?

Wait a minute, what part did Dr. Connors have in Spider-man? I don't remember...I remember Peter getting fired by a Dr. Connors, but I dont remember the person playing him.
I'm pretty sure that was Doctor Connors who escorted the students through the science exhibit towards the beginning of the movie...you know, the part right before Peter Parker gets bitten.

Chomp_on_this

12-06-2004, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by thetodd
I'm pretty sure that was Doctor Connors who escorted the students through the science exhibit towards the beginning of the movie...you know, the part right before Peter Parker gets bitten.

I don't think that was him...Dr. Connors was a professor at ESU, and Peter was in High School during the science exhibit tour. That couldnt have been him.

thetodd

12-06-2004, 02:32 PM

I'll have to check the movie out again and see.

Creepingmouth

12-06-2004, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by thetodd
No, I'm not upset at all.
What made you think so, mother fu....., excuse me, sir.

Good to know! I had a wrong impression :)

EvilOnTwoLegs

12-07-2004, 01:14 AM

Originally posted by ChuckyDarko
Dont forget Schwarzenegger! Arnie as Mr. Freeze was funny at first... but the original comic book Freeze is much darker than the comical display shown in Batman & Robin

On another note, have any of you seen the short film; Batman: Dead End?
Dead End fucking OWNS! From the costumes (yes, on a properly built Batman, spandex does work), to the cinematography (the alleyway scene...fucking gorgeous), to the characterizations (who would have known that Boner from Growing Pains would make such a great Joker?)...the whole thing has an atmosphere straight outta the Gotham City that we all know and love from the decaying old newsprint where we first encountered it. For an eight-minute movie, it sure kicks the shit out of the last two feature films.

Originally posted by Chomp_on_this
Like I said, its how the screenwriter interprets the character. Spider-man 2 had a different screenwirter. I am sure Batman Forever had a different screenwriter as well.

It does seem silly as the continuity gets mangaled in the process. What can ya do?

Wait a minute, what part did Dr. Connors have in Spider-man? I don't remember...I remember Peter getting fired by a Dr. Connors, but I dont remember the person playing him.
Actually, unless stated concretely in the script (which it wasn't in the Batman or Batman Forever scripts), race is determined by the person who does the casting, which would be the director. Burton made a bold (and great) choice to give the role of Harvey Dent to a black actor. But Schumacher did fumble the ball by changing races in midstream with the Dent character. It was fine that he asked us to accept that Bruce Wayne was now Val Kilmer...but to simultaneously attempt to convince us that Harvey Dent is not only played by a different actor, but by an actor of completely different ethnicity...well, it's just asking us to swallow way too much bullshit all at once. ;)

zombie commando

12-07-2004, 05:02 AM

Originally posted by Chomp_on_this
I don't think that was him...Dr. Connors was a professor at ESU, and Peter was in High School during the science exhibit tour. That couldnt have been him.

He was the guy with one arm that called Parker brilliant but lazy. He was also Doc Oct's old time chum.

Chomp_on_this

12-07-2004, 07:16 AM

Originally posted by zombie commando
He was the guy with one arm that called Parker brilliant but lazy. He was also Doc Oct's old time chum.

Yea, that was in Spider-man 2. Dr. Connors had no role in the first Spider-man did he? At least I dont remember seeing him, except when Peter states he was fired by him for being late.

zombie commando

12-07-2004, 10:33 AM

Bucky-lives

12-07-2004, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by EvilOnTwoLegs
Dead End fucking OWNS! From the costumes (yes, on a properly built Batman, spandex does work), to the cinematography (the alleyway scene...fucking gorgeous), to the characterizations (who would have known that Boner from Growing Pains would make such a great Joker?)...the whole thing has an atmosphere straight outta the Gotham City that we all know and love from the decaying old newsprint where we first encountered it. For an eight-minute movie, it sure kicks the shit out of the last two feature films.

Actually, unless stated concretely in the script (which it wasn't in the Batman or Batman Forever scripts), race is determined by the person who does the casting, which would be the director. Burton made a bold (and great) choice to give the role of Harvey Dent to a black actor. But Schumacher did fumble the ball by changing races in midstream with the Dent character. It was fine that he asked us to accept that Bruce Wayne was now Val Kilmer...but to simultaneously attempt to convince us that Harvey Dent is not only played by a different actor, but by an actor of completely different ethnicity...well, it's just asking us to swallow way too much bullshit all at once. ;) yea i thought that was pure crap. i mean come on. why change his race? but the new batman looks good and i think this has a good chance on being the best of the series but i will always love nicholson as the joker best villain for batman.

Myers22

12-07-2004, 01:37 PM

Personally, I don't care what color Harvey Dent is. I could care. Joel Shitmacher's movies suck. Period. I don't care if it was Tommy Lee Jones, whoever, it just sucked. No one could save that movie. Batman & Robin was even WORSE! Now, I'm going to take this thread back on track. I LOVED the new BATMAN BEGINS poster! It kicks ass! I can't wait for this movie! Going to be way better than Joel Shumacher's versions. I have read on other message boards that people do not like Tim Burton's movies. They think he sucks. Tim Burton, IMO is a creative GENIOUS! Wonderful director! Great visionary. Now I may have to watch Batman Returns. LOL..

Phatmaster2k8

12-07-2004, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by Chomp_on_this
Yea, that was in Spider-man 2. Dr. Connors had no role in the first Spider-man did he? At least I dont remember seeing him, except when Peter states he was fired by him for being late.

Conners was going to be played by Bruce Campbell and have Curt turn into The Lizard at the end of the movie just to be defeated by a Spider-Man/Ock team. But Raimi thought that was just going to be a waste of character for The Lizard so he took the whole Lizard villain out to use in later movies. But this isn't the Spider-Man thread so onward we go!

Remicis

12-07-2004, 08:47 PM

Huh...on this previous discussion, I just dismiss Harvey Dent's changing of race in midstream as the least of Batman Forever's problems. LOL

Originally posted by Myers22
Personally, I don't care what color Harvey Dent is. I could care. Joel Shitmacher's movies suck. Period. I don't care if it was Tommy Lee Jones, whoever, it just sucked. No one could save that movie. Batman & Robin was even WORSE! Now, I'm going to take this thread back on track. I LOVED the new BATMAN BEGINS poster! It kicks ass! I can't wait for this movie! Going to be way better than Joel Shumacher's versions. I have read on other message boards that people do not like Tim Burton's movies. They think he sucks. Tim Burton, IMO is a creative GENIOUS! Wonderful director! Great visionary. Now I may have to watch Batman Returns. LOL..

That's true, there are plenty out there who aren't so crazy about Burton's films, either. It's much for the same reasons EOTL mentioned a few pages back. I used to frequent a Batman-Superman message board where a lot of the older members would just give Burton a tolerable to decent rating, but much in need of improvement. Batman Returns in particular was the one that fell under the most scrutiny...which it logically would from most comic book purists. The Penguin and Catwoman of that film weren't the characters we'd grown accustomed to in the comics. They became much darker, more sinister figures in Burton's hands. And personally, departures such as this didn't bother me all that much. I don't require them to stick undauntingly to the source material and not modify a single thing. As long as I can still see the original character somewhere in the interpretation we're given, or the almost entirely new interpretation is to my liking, I'll be okay with it. For instance, I was fine with the Catwoman we got in Batman Returns. The Catwoman we saw in the recent Halle Berry movie was...**shudder**...words can't even describe it.

Me, I love Burton's Batman movies. I said in this thread on the old board, I may be a little biased because I literally grew up on Batman '89...it was the first Batman I was exposed to and made me the lifelong die-hard fan that I am. But still, even in trying to look at it more objectively, I don't find the departures in either film to be terribly detracting. Killing the Joker was a mistake, though, nobody in their right mind can argue with that. Aside from that, however, I think that for the most part, Tim Burton did a fine service to the Batman mythos.

EvilOnTwoLegs

12-07-2004, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by Remicis
Huh...on this previous discussion, I just dismiss Harvey Dent's changing of race in midstream as the least of Batman Forever's problems. LOL

That's true, there are plenty out there who aren't so crazy about Burton's films, either. It's much for the same reasons EOTL mentioned a few pages back. I used to frequent a Batman-Superman message board where a lot of the older members would just give Burton a tolerable to decent rating, but much in need of improvement. Batman Returns in particular was the one that fell under the most scrutiny...which it logically would from most comic book purists. The Penguin and Catwoman of that film weren't the characters we'd grown accustomed to in the comics. They became much darker, more sinister figures in Burton's hands. And personally, departures such as this didn't bother me all that much. I don't require them to stick undauntingly to the source material and not modify a single thing. As long as I can still see the original character somewhere in the interpretation we're given, or the almost entirely new interpretation is to my liking, I'll be okay with it. For instance, I was fine with the Catwoman we got in Batman Returns. The Catwoman we saw in the recent Halle Berry movie was...**shudder**...words can't even describe it.

Me, I love Burton's Batman movies. I said in this thread on the old board, I may be a little biased because I literally grew up on Batman '89...it was the first Batman I was exposed to and made me the lifelong die-hard fan that I am. But still, even in trying to look at it more objectively, I don't find the departures in either film to be terribly detracting. Killing the Joker was a mistake, though, nobody in their right mind can argue with that. Aside from that, however, I think that for the most part, Tim Burton did a fine service to the Batman mythos.
Yeah, I agree that BF had more than its share of problems...and beyond the race change in Two Face, my biggest problem was the way the villains were handled. Sure, all the villains changed in the movies...from the Joker right on down the line. But Burton made reasonable changes for the most part...in BF, they just fumbled the ball. They took a couple of serious villains and camped them up to Adam-Westian proportions. It was just pathetic, really. And don't get me started on B&R's villain characterization. Mr. Freeze and Poision Ivy...there's a team with common interests. :yar:

And yeah, the biggest problems I had with Burton's movies all pretty much had to do with the Joker. Perhaps if Burton had read some Batman comic books, he would have been able to suggest a few things to Sam Hamm (a name that makes me laugh every time I type it)...like not killing the Joker off at the end, and not making the Joker out to be the Waynes' murderer. I know that last part doesn't bother a lot of fans, but it always irked me. Batman stuck with his crimefighting because of the driving motive of revenge. To have him find and dispatch his parents' killer at the end of the first movie, when he's still just a fledgling vigilante...it just seemed wrong. He needed more time to work with the vengeance angle. Burton's not really guilty of malpractice there...just negligence. He didn't know any better because he wasn't very familiar with the comics...but I think he should have been. If I was going to direct a movie based on source material that has millions of fans, I'd make sure I did a bit of research. ;)

Creepingmouth

12-08-2004, 09:38 AM

Originally posted by EvilOnTwoLegs
And yeah, the biggest problems I had with Burton's movies all pretty much had to do with the Joker. Perhaps if Burton had read some Batman comic books, he would have been able to suggest a few things to Sam Hamm (a name that makes me laugh every time I type it)...like not killing the Joker off at the end

Joker's death always annoyed me

thetodd

12-08-2004, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by Creepingmouth
Joker's death always annoyed me
The Joker killing Batmans parents was stupid.
Killing the Joker, Batmans ARCH ENEMY, in their first encounter, was even dumber.

Myers22

12-08-2004, 11:59 AM

I see what you all are saying. I agree, the Joker being killed off at the end wasn't right. Not to mention, perhaps a bit rushed. I think the writer wanted you to know that Batman finally got his revenge on his parent's killer. That's what the story was about. I still think it's a good, fair story, just a mager departure from the comic books. It would be interesting to see a movie version from one of the comic books. I mean, a DIRECT line by line movie based on the comic book; nothing changed. Would be neat. You know what I miss? The WBs show, Birds of Prey. That was a great series. They always cancel the good ones. Oh well. Batman Begins will be good, no, scratch that. It will be EXCELLENT!

EvilOnTwoLegs

12-09-2004, 02:17 AM

Originally posted by Myers22
I see what you all are saying. I agree, the Joker being killed off at the end wasn't right. Not to mention, perhaps a bit rushed. I think the writer wanted you to know that Batman finally got his revenge on his parent's killer. That's what the story was about. I still think it's a good, fair story, just a mager departure from the comic books. It would be interesting to see a movie version from one of the comic books. I mean, a DIRECT line by line movie based on the comic book; nothing changed. Would be neat. You know what I miss? The WBs show, Birds of Prey. That was a great series. They always cancel the good ones. Oh well. Batman Begins will be good, no, scratch that. It will be EXCELLENT!
Yeah, but it wasn't about him finally getting his parents' killer (who shouldn't have been the Joker anyway)...he had just started his crimefighting career, and apart from taking on a few random muggers, the first thing that happens is he confronts and dispatches the guy who iced his parents? Fuck it, it's game over at that point. Hang up the cowl and get back to your day job.

In the comics, Bruce didn't find the guy who whacked his parents (a little nobody named Joe Chill, on behalf of crime boss Lou Moxon) until YEARS after he became Batman. He fought the Joker countless times (not to mention almost every other major villain in Gotham City) before he found the guy he'd been looking for all along. And by then, he realized how vital his role was, being that he'd faced Ra's al Ghul, the Penguin, the Riddler, Catwoman, Poison Ivy, Mr. Freeze, the Scarecrow, Clayface (both incarnations), Two-Face, Mad Hatter, and every other criminal mastermind in Gotham City hundreds of times, and knew how dangerous they were.

Phatmaster2k8

12-09-2004, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by EvilOnTwoLegs
Yeah, but it wasn't about him finally getting his parents' killer (who shouldn't have been the Joker anyway)...he had just started his crimefighting career, and apart from taking on a few random muggers, the first thing that happens is he confronts and dispatches the guy who iced his parents? Fuck it, it's game over at that point. Hang up the cowl and get back to your day job.

In the comics, Bruce didn't find the guy who whacked his parents (a little nobody named Joe Chill, on behalf of crime boss Lou Moxon) until YEARS after he became Batman. He fought the Joker countless times (not to mention almost every other major villain in Gotham City) before he found the guy he'd been looking for all along. And by then, he realized how vital his role was, being that he'd faced Ra's al Ghul, the Penguin, the Riddler, Catwoman, Poison Ivy, Mr. Freeze, the Scarecrow, Clayface (both incarnations), Two-Face, Mad Hatter, and every other criminal mastermind in Gotham City hundreds of times, and knew how dangerous they were.

Exactly, the reason Bruce becomes Batman is because he doesn't want to have the same thing happen to anybody else. He doesn't become Batman to find his killer.

In other news here is the international teaser poster for Batman Begins, I like the US version better.

http://www.empireonline.co.uk/site/news/newsstory.asp?news_id=16422

Chomp_on_this

12-09-2004, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by Phatmaster2k5
Exactly, the reason Bruce becomes Batman is because he doesn't want to have the same thing happen to anybody else. He doesn't become Batman to find his killer.

In other news here is the international teaser poster for Batman Begins, I like the US version better.

http://www.empireonline.co.uk/site/news/newsstory.asp?news_id=16422

Correct me if I am wrong, but ins't the Official Batman Begins theatrical trailer attached to Blade: Trinity? If so, I think I may have to check this flick out, even though I wasnt planning on it.

thetodd

12-09-2004, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by Chomp_on_this
Correct me if I am wrong, but ins't the Official Batman Begins theatrical trailer attached to Blade: Trinity? If so, I think I may have to check this flick out, even though I wasnt planning on it.
The official trailer has been out for a long time. Check out www.batmanbegins.com

TheShape66

12-09-2004, 10:48 AM

That's the teaser trailer...the full trailer was supposedly attached to Blade: Trinity

UPDATE!! This from Superhero Hype!

'Just a reminder that the new Batman Begins trailer is hitting theaters this weekend with select showings of Blade: Trinity and is attached to Ocean's Twelve.'

Chomp_on_this

12-09-2004, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by thetodd
The official trailer has been out for a long time. Check out www.batmanbegins.com

I thought that was the teaser trailer. The official theatrical trailer is said to be 1 second longer than the teaser.

Chomp_on_this

12-09-2004, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by TheShape66
That's the teaser trailer...the full trailer was supposedly attached to Blade: Trinity

UPDATE!! This from Superhero Hype!

'Just a reminder that the new Batman Begins trailer is hitting theaters this weekend with select showings of Blade: Trinity and is attached to Ocean's Twelve.'

Well, Alrighty then...I guess I should have just went over to superhero hype in the first place! HA!

Thanks.

thetodd

12-09-2004, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by Chomp_on_this
I thought that was the teaser trailer. The official theatrical trailer is said to be 1 second longer than the teaser.
One second longer? The anticipation is killing me....

Chomp_on_this

12-09-2004, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by thetodd
One second longer? The anticipation is killing me....

Yea, you were wrong again. STFU.

Chuck D

12-09-2004, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by thetodd
The anticipation is killing me....

It's killed me enough that I'm actually dedicating my avatar to the Dark Knight :D

Jackolantern99

12-09-2004, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by Chomp_on_this
Yea, you were wrong again. STFU.

Don't know why, that just entertained me ;)

Phatmaster2k8

12-09-2004, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by thetodd
The official trailer has been out for a long time. Check out www.batmanbegins.com

Thats the teaser, it's already been posted that the official trailer is on prints of Blade: Trinty (which I'm seeing tonight) and Ocean's Twelve.

EvilOnTwoLegs

12-09-2004, 11:44 PM

Originally posted by Phatmaster2k5
Exactly, the reason Bruce becomes Batman is because he doesn't want to have the same thing happen to anybody else. He doesn't become Batman to find his killer.

In other news here is the international teaser poster for Batman Begins, I like the US version better.

http://www.empireonline.co.uk/site/news/newsstory.asp?news_id=16422
I like this one better...I like the greys in it better than the orange hues in the US poster. The greys just fit Batman better, I think...makes the movie look darker and grittier.

Beau

12-10-2004, 07:26 AM

I found this poster , thought i would share it with you guys.

http://www.christophernolan.net/imgs/Batman_Begins_PosterDIF%20-%20barney.jpg

thetodd

12-10-2004, 08:00 AM

Originally posted by Jackolantern99
Don't know why, that just entertained me ;)
Small minds, simple pleasures....

Creepingmouth

12-10-2004, 09:51 AM

Originally posted by thetodd
Small minds, simple pleasures....

eh eh nice reply

FTL

12-10-2004, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by Creepingmouth
eh eh nice reply

Let's not start suckin' dicks just yet.

Creepingmouth

12-10-2004, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by FTL
Let's not start suckin' dicks just yet.

sure boss,as you wish

btw I was considering that from the few pics I saw of the batmobile I guess the one in Burton's movie was way better.It's not a big deal though.Finally we're gonna see a 6'2"/6'3" Batman

Jackolantern99

12-10-2004, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by thetodd
Small minds, simple pleasures....

Ridiculous attempts at sarcasm, small mind...

;)

thetodd

12-10-2004, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by Jackolantern99
Ridiculous attempts at sarcasm, small mind...

;)
Actually, it wasn't just an attempt. It was a slam dunk.

thetodd

12-10-2004, 12:07 PM

Originally posted by Creepingmouth
eh eh nice reply
I thank you.....

Phatmaster2k8

12-10-2004, 12:27 PM

Originally posted by EvilOnTwoLegs
I like this one better...I like the greys in it better than the orange hues in the US poster. The greys just fit Batman better, I think...makes the movie look darker and grittier.

Yeah, that is true. But nonetheless here is a leaked copy of the awesome trailer for Batman Begins...enjoy;)

http://www.mymovies.net/player/play.asp?TRID=800|1592&filmid=800&sec=trailers&comingsoon=true

Myers22

12-10-2004, 12:32 PM

AWSOME PREVIEW! I wish we would have seen more of Batman though, but it was still WAY BETTER than the teaser. AWSOME! Can't wait for this flick! The final frame of the preview is really neat! TOTALLY COOL! Check it out Batman fans. Worth it.

thetodd

12-10-2004, 12:34 PM

That trailer made me even more anxious to see Batman Begins. This is the Batman movie that most fans have been waiting for.

Chomp_on_this

12-10-2004, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by Creepingmouth
sure boss,as you wish

btw I was considering that from the few pics I saw of the batmobile I guess the one in Burton's movie was way better.It's not a big deal though.Finally we're gonna see a 6'2"/6'3" Batman

Better? Are you kidding me? The Batmobile in BB looks like it's coming straight out of Dark Kinght Returns. It's gonna kick Tim's batmobile idea in the ass.

Originally posted by Phatmaster2k5
Yeah, that is true. But nonetheless here is a leaked copy of the awesome trailer for Batman Begins...enjoy;)

http://www.mymovies.net/player/play.asp?TRID=800|1592&filmid=800&sec=trailers&comingsoon=true

HAHA...someone cammed it. Nice. Hooray for the pirates! :yar:

But, my god that was awesome. I saw it last night at Blade, and its even better on the big screen. I had chills watching it. Whats really awesome is they will show how the batsuit comes about. Excellent, Excellent, just Excellent.

Originally posted by thetodd
Actually, it wasn't just an attempt. It was a slam dunk.

You fell 3 feet short of the rim...shut it.

thetodd

12-10-2004, 01:29 PM

I fell "three feet short of the rim"? Oh please. Let's just drag this simple shit out as loooooong as we can.
It was a light hearted exchange between another poster and I.
Let it go.
Batman Begins will probably be the second biggest hit of next summer, behind, of course, Revenge of the Sith.

Chomp_on_this

12-10-2004, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by thetodd
I fell "three feet short of the rim"?

Yep.

thetodd

12-10-2004, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by Chomp_on_this
Yep.
Did somebody fart?

Creepingmouth

12-10-2004, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by Chomp_on_this
It's gonna kick Tim's batmobile idea in the ass.

I really don't think so,champ

thetodd

12-10-2004, 03:36 PM

Apparently the next DC superhero to get the big screen treatment will be the Flash.
Here's the link: http://www.moviehole.net/news/4677.html

Chomp_on_this

12-10-2004, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by Creepingmouth
I really don't think so,champ

I think so CrappingMouth. ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/Chomp_on_this/batmobile.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/Chomp_on_this/09.jpg

Chuck D

12-10-2004, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by Chomp_on_this
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/Chomp_on_this/batmobile.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/Chomp_on_this/09.jpg

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet! :D

I have to agree though... WAY better than Burtons version...

Case

12-10-2004, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by ChuckyDarko
Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet! :D

I have to agree though... WAY better than Burtons version...

I've seen this sucker in action and it's not to bad but not to cool either.In fact when they were bringing it out the rear fire exhaust fell apart.It's quite loud and seems fast.The pictures make it feel worse than it is.I still love the batmobiles from Burton's films.And of course the original tv show:-)

Chomp_on_this

12-10-2004, 07:25 PM

I remember seeing the video of the new batmobile in action. It handled almost the exact same way the Burton batmobile did. And it seemed to go just as fast.

EvilOnTwoLegs

12-10-2004, 08:11 PM

Dammit, the new Batmobile can fly...well, more like glide...if you get it up to 200 MPH (which, from what I've read, it is fully capable of doing). And it looks badass as hell. And the trailer kicks unholy ass. I stand by my statement that this movie is going to blow Burton's out of the water.

And certain people in here need to stop acting like fucking children and just talk about the actual topic. :D

Chuck D

12-10-2004, 08:16 PM

At least Chris Nolan is sticking by the comics... Burton wasnt really familiar with them (although his movie was perfectly dark enough for me to like it)

Originally posted by EvilOnTwoLegs
And the trailer kicks unholy ass.

Jesus-Damn-Fuck, EOTL! Not just any ass but unholy ass?!? You've gotten me more excited, droog!

Remicis

12-10-2004, 10:58 PM

Umm...someone tell me if I just missed something...and granted, it's been awhile since I last watched the teaser that's been out for a good bit...but I watched the only trailer I could find on the linked page, and it doesn't seem any different from the teaser. Has it been removed, or have I overlooked something?

Originally posted by EvilOnTwoLegs
And certain people in here need to stop acting like fucking children and just talk about the actual topic. :D

Mm-hm.

boogeyman87

12-10-2004, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by Remicis
Umm...someone tell me if I just missed something...and granted, it's been awhile since I last watched the teaser that's been out for a good bit...but I watched the only trailer I could find on the linked page, and it doesn't seem any different from the teaser. Has it been removed, or have I overlooked something?

Now, i'm not a regular in here but could it be the trailer that is showing in front of Blade III and Oceans 12? Maybe EOTL has seen it there. :) I could be wrong though.

Remicis

12-10-2004, 11:08 PM

Maybe. With the talk that followed, I took it to mean the link would go to a website with the new trailer. I dunno. LOL I tried.

thetodd

12-11-2004, 06:32 AM

Originally posted by Phatmaster2k5
Yeah, that is true. But nonetheless here is a leaked copy of the awesome trailer for Batman Begins...enjoy;)

http://www.mymovies.net/player/play.asp?TRID=800|1592&filmid=800&sec=trailers&comingsoon=true
There's the link to the new trailer, Remicis. Phatmaster2k5 originally posted it.

Phatmaster2k8

12-11-2004, 09:52 AM

No, it was a leaked trailer and WB took it off. But don't worry everybody, Monday it will be released on the movie's website in all its Quicktime glory.

When I saw Blade 3 the BB trailer was no where to be seen, too bad:( But to anybody who has seen the trailer what was up with the last scene? Batman hanging upside down like Spider-Man? No need for that.....

*UPDATE* Try this page, scroll down until you hit intenational trailer, that is the official theatical trailer.

http://www.themoviebox.net/movies/2005/0-9ABC/BatmanBegins/trailer.php

NCamp

12-11-2004, 11:53 AM

I can not wait to see this movie.....a trailer even for that matter. That last link would even work. The trailor wouldnt start.

boogeyman87

12-11-2004, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by Phatmaster2k5
No, it was a leaked trailer and WB took it off. But don't worry everybody, Monday it will be released on the movie's website in all its Quicktime glory.

When I saw Blade 3 the BB trailer was no where to be seen, too bad:( But to anybody who has seen the trailer what was up with the last scene? Batman hanging upside down like Spider-Man? No need for that.....

*UPDATE* Try this page, scroll down until you hit intenational trailer, that is the official theatical trailer.

http://www.themoviebox.net/movies/2005/0-9ABC/BatmanBegins/trailer.php

Damn that looks good. I actually liked his hanging down thing. This looks to be a must see next summer.

thetodd

12-11-2004, 01:58 PM

Originally posted by boogeyman87
Damn that looks good. I actually liked his hanging down thing. This looks to be a must see next summer.
It's on my must see list...right behind Revenge of the Sith.

Myers22

12-11-2004, 08:07 PM

Yeah, I'll say again. AWSOME trailer! Can't wait for this movie. Been 7 years since the last movie! AWSOME! I keep watching it. I can't get enough. I mean, seven years is a long time to wait! Been far too long since we've had a DECENT BATMAN! You even see the the villian, Ra's Al Ghul in a small 1 second scene! GREAT PREVIEW! So EXCITED..

Phatmaster2k8

12-11-2004, 08:39 PM

Originally posted by Myers22
Yeah, I'll say again. AWSOME trailer! Can't wait for this movie. Been 7 years since the last movie! AWSOME! I keep watching it. I can't get enough. I mean, seven years is a long time to wait! Been far too long since we've had a DECENT BATMAN! You even see the the villian, Ra's Al Ghul in a small 1 second scene! GREAT PREVIEW! So EXCITED..

I don't think there is one main villian. The Scarecrow and Falcone are also in it.

Myers22

12-12-2004, 09:52 AM

Yeah, but I think the Scarecrow is just in a bit part at the beginning and I don't think we will see him in a Scarecrow outfit or anything. I think it's just Jonathan Crane, sans Scarecrow outfit. I guess I don't know the comics enough to know who Falcone is, but I have heard of him. I'm a little out of touch. Stopped reading comics a while ago.

thetodd

12-12-2004, 09:58 AM

Seven years is a long time between movies, but it probably took them that long to air out the franchise after the stink bomb that was Batman and Robin.

EvilOnTwoLegs

12-13-2004, 12:05 AM

Went to see Ocean's Twelve today, with the hopes of seeing the trailer on the big screen. As it turned out, no suck luck. I arrived early, so as not to miss any previews. Well, I didn't miss any previews, but the Begins trailer obviously wasn't attached to this print. Instead, I got treated to a trailer for the craptacular new movie based on the Hellblazer comics, starring that plank of wood, Keanu Reeves...I was, needless to say, quite incensed. :mad:

And that's the first time I've ever used the ":mad:" icon on this board...so you should know how pissed I really am at this point.

thetodd

12-13-2004, 11:05 AM

Originally posted by EvilOnTwoLegs
Went to see Ocean's Twelve today, with the hopes of seeing the trailer on the big screen. As it turned out, no suck luck. I arrived early, so as not to miss any previews. Well, I didn't miss any previews, but the Begins trailer obviously wasn't attached to this print. Instead, I got treated to a trailer for the craptacular new movie based on the Hellblazer comics, starring that plank of wood, Keanu Reeves...I was, needless to say, quite incensed. :mad:

And that's the first time I've ever used the ":mad:" icon on this board...so you should know how pissed I really am at this point.
The same thing happened to me. Not only was the movie itself boring, but there was no Batman Begins trailer.
We should have asked for our money back....

Chuck D

12-13-2004, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by EvilOnTwoLegs
that plank of wood, Keanu Reeves

How can you stay mad at Ted? :)

...woah

Phatmaster2k8

12-13-2004, 04:26 PM

For everybody who couldn't get the trailer to work at the leaked site or went to see Ocean's 12 and no such luck (EOTL;)), the trailer is now at the official site in all 3 formats:p

www.batmanbegins.com

EvilOnTwoLegs

12-13-2004, 08:54 PM

Originally posted by thetodd
The same thing happened to me. Not only was the movie itself boring, but there was no Batman Begins trailer.
We should have asked for our money back....
Eh, I liked the movie...plus, the Amsterdam location shooting made me nostalgic. I love that fuckin' city. :D

MichaelMyers

12-13-2004, 08:57 PM

Originally posted by Phatmaster2k5
I don't think there is one main villian. The Scarecrow and Falcone are also in it.
Who is Falcone?

EvilOnTwoLegs

12-13-2004, 10:42 PM

Carmine Falcone is a crime boss who runs every aspect of criminal activity in Gotham City. According to Dark Victory, it was one of Falcone's henchmen who murdered Dick Grayson's parents...much like the previous boss, Lou Moxon, who sent Joe Chill to kill Thomas and Martha Wayne and make it look like a mugging gone bad. Falcone is also the father of Selena Kyle (Catwoman).

Here's a picture of Falcone from The Long Halloween:

http://www.vacuumboy9.com/tlh/1p4.jpg

Myers22

12-14-2004, 12:09 PM

WOW, didn't realize all of that. That's interesting. Guess I need to read more comics. I wonder who is playing Falcone? I know that Liam Neeson is playing Henri Ducard, Bruce's mentor. Finally, a movie that focuses on BATMAN rather then all of the glitzy villians. I always felt that the villians held the spot light in all of the movies. Now, it's Batman's turn to shine. And I like how they are sticking to the comics and introducing Bruce's mentor. Very neat. That's how it should have been done to begin with. I am not considering this movie a sequal or prequal. I am considering this a WHOLE NEW SERIES. I think this movie will be better than Burton's versions. I LOVE Burton's movies, don't get me wrong. I just don't think he did Batman justice. Chris Nolan seems to have a good outlook on the movie. Can't wait!

Creepingmouth

12-14-2004, 12:24 PM

I wished the story was taken directly from Batman:Year One by Frank Miller:that is still my favorite Batman story so far

Phatmaster2k8

12-14-2004, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by Myers22
Yeah, but I think the Scarecrow is just in a bit part at the beginning and I don't think we will see him in a Scarecrow outfit or anything. I think it's just Jonathan Crane, sans Scarecrow outfit. I guess I don't know the comics enough to know who Falcone is, but I have heard of him. I'm a little out of touch. Stopped reading comics a while ago.

No, Crane creates his fear gas and suit he has to wear to produce it makes him look like a scarecrow. I found this when I was reading about the game. And EOTL has your Falcone info;)

EvilOnTwoLegs

12-15-2004, 01:48 AM

Originally posted by Creepingmouth
I wished the story was taken directly from Batman:Year One by Frank Miller:that is still my favorite Batman story so far
Better than Killing Joke?

tsk tsk tsk

Blasphemy. ;)

Creepingmouth

12-15-2004, 05:27 AM

Originally posted by EvilOnTwoLegs
Better than Killing Joke?

tsk tsk tsk

Blasphemy. ;)

Maybe I should have been clearer with that statement:since this new Batman movie is about B origins I guess the better story about that topic is Batman: Year One which was perfect for a movie.
Moore's Killing Joke is awesome but I discarded it since I knew they didn't want to have the Joker in Batman Begins

Phatmaster2k8

12-15-2004, 02:34 PM

I'm not a big Batman comic fan, what happened in Killing Joke?

Chomp_on_this

12-15-2004, 06:26 PM

Man, I havent read that one in a while. Basically, Joker's origin is revealed and he attempts to drive Commissioner Gordon insane. After shooting and permanently paralyzing his daughter Barbara (a.k.a. Batgirl), the Joker kidnaps Gordon and plays with his mind in hopes of breaking him.

Killing Joke and Arkam Asylum are the best Joker stories I feel.

As for Killing Joke being better than Year One, I'd think so. Killing Joke is just so goddamn sick and brutal. I was rather shocked at first read.

Phatmaster2k8

12-15-2004, 07:21 PM

Originally posted by Chomp_on_this
Man, I havent read that one in a while. Basically, Joker's origin is revealed and he attempts to drive Commissioner Gordon insane. After shooting and permanently paralyzing his daughter Barbara (a.k.a. Batgirl), the Joker kidnaps Gordon and plays with his mind in hopes of breaking him.

Killing Joke and Arkam Asylum are the best Joker stories I feel.

As for Killing Joke being better than Year One, I'd think so. Killing Joke is just so goddamn sick and brutal. I was rather shocked at first read.

Ah, so that is where Barbara is shot. Does Batman save the day!

zombie commando

12-15-2004, 07:46 PM

I still think The Dark Knight Returns is the best Batman comic in existence.

Phatmaster2k8

12-15-2004, 08:01 PM

That is pretty good, I still have the Batman/Bane Round 2 comic which had so much hype around it. I'm so glad Bruce won that fight.

Chomp_on_this

12-15-2004, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by Phatmaster2k5
Ah, so that is where Barbara is shot. Does Batman save the day!

I'll let you figure it out....I don't wanna spoil it ALL for ya. ;)

Originally posted by zombie commando
I still think The Dark Knight Returns is the best Batman comic in existence.

I agree. DKR is the most re-read graphic novel that I own. Everything in it, is just so epic and beautifully written. Some fans can't stand Miller's graphics in DKR, but personally I liked them.

EvilOnTwoLegs

12-16-2004, 12:02 AM

I've always liked the Miller storylines, but Killing Joke has a special place in my heart...perhaps because it's the best treatment the Joker's ever gotten from any writer. Moore's vision of the Joker is perfect...and the artwork is amazing...truly cinematic...even down to the "dissolves" when we go in and out of the flashbacks. It would make a great movie...someday.

Remicis

12-16-2004, 08:44 PM

BTW, I've now been able to see the new trailer on the official site. And...kick...ASS!!! It excited me, but seeing as how the movie's still seven months away, I'm trying not to get too revved up just yet. Only a matter of time before I'll be foaming at the mouth, though.

But I still have to say, now that we've clearly seen the new suit...although the movie may still change my mind...it doesn't look all that different from the ones in the previous movies. I do like it, it just doesn't wow me like most other things about the movie.

EvilOnTwoLegs

12-17-2004, 12:33 AM

Originally posted by Remicis
BTW, I've now been able to see the new trailer on the official site. And...kick...ASS!!! It excited me, but seeing as how the movie's still seven months away, I'm trying not to get too revved up just yet. Only a matter of time before I'll be foaming at the mouth, though.

But I still have to say, now that we've clearly seen the new suit...although the movie may still change my mind...it doesn't look all that different from the ones in the previous movies. I do like it, it just doesn't wow me like most other things about the movie.
I like the new suit for a few reasons.

First, it really does look like it could be actual tactical body armor manufactured for the military by Wayne Enterprises, converted and customized by Bruce into his crime-fighting gear. I like the idea, and the look of the suit reflects it...I especially like the shot we get in the trailer of Bruce working on the armor. Plus...no built-in muscles. Kind of the opposity if the previous suits, where the muscles were sculpted in and the actors undeneath had none. Bale's got the build...the suit doesn't need faux musculature. I don't know...the new armor just seems more stripped down, more simplistic...consistent with the idea of a young Batman just starting out.

Second, I love the new cowl. Slightly shorter ears with a slight inward curve, almost resembling horns...reminds me somewhat of the cowl Batman was wearing in the Venom storyline. Plus, I like the mouth opening on the new suit...it's narrower and almost circular, leaving more of the face covered. Seems more practical, and simply looks cooler, in my opinion.

Creepingmouth

12-17-2004, 06:21 AM

Originally posted by EvilOnTwoLegs

Second, I love the new cowl. Slightly shorter ears with a slight inward curve, almost resembling horns...reminds me somewhat of the cowl Batman was wearing in the Venom storyline.

yeah I noticed it is similar to Russel Braun drawnings

EvilOnTwoLegs

12-17-2004, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by Creepingmouth
yeah I noticed it is similar to Russel Braun drawnings
Cool...glad I'm not the only one who thought so.

Remicis

12-18-2004, 09:23 PM

Originally posted by EvilOnTwoLegs
I like the new suit for a few reasons.

First, it really does look like it could be actual tactical body armor manufactured for the military by Wayne Enterprises, converted and customized by Bruce into his crime-fighting gear. I like the idea, and the look of the suit reflects it...I especially like the shot we get in the trailer of Bruce working on the armor. Plus...no built-in muscles. Kind of the opposity if the previous suits, where the muscles were sculpted in and the actors undeneath had none. Bale's got the build...the suit doesn't need faux musculature. I don't know...the new armor just seems more stripped down, more simplistic...consistent with the idea of a young Batman just starting out.

Second, I love the new cowl. Slightly shorter ears with a slight inward curve, almost resembling horns...reminds me somewhat of the cowl Batman was wearing in the Venom storyline. Plus, I like the mouth opening on the new suit...it's narrower and almost circular, leaving more of the face covered. Seems more practical, and simply looks cooler, in my opinion.

I see what you mean. But to be honest, I've never really paid that close attention to the suit, even in the other movies. If it looks like Batman, I'm generally happy. ...Those Schumacher Bat-nipples didn't escape my notice, though. And I was annoyed at how the suit gained more and more black until it was all one frickin' color by Batman & Robin. But then, along the lines of what I said about Batman Forever earlier, the suit was the least of Batman & Robin's problems. ...And I'm getting off-track. But I am glad to see those trends thoroughly gone now.